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Hey guys! We'll be closing this thread shortly, but we will make an American politics megathread where we can continue the discussions in here.

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acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-12 01:56:20
October 12 2012 01:55 GMT
#15041
On October 12 2012 10:54 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 10:52 acker wrote:
From the Economist:

"....Rosen concluded that Romney could pull off his tax plan without losing revenue assuming an extra 3 percent “growth effect” to the economy resulting from Romney’s rate cuts. That’s an extremely aggressive assumption, and in conflict with recent experience."

actually, that assumption is a pretty safe one, and it is a lot safer than the 0% the TPC report assumed.

TPC did not assume a 0% increase, it was 15% for the total tax reform per Mankiw's model. Mankiw is the econ advisor for Romney.

Very different from +3% to GDP. +3% GDP is ridiculous.
Razakel
Profile Joined April 2011
Ireland466 Posts
October 12 2012 01:55 GMT
#15042
I feel like Biden is crushing it, but he needs to let Ryan speak
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
October 12 2012 01:55 GMT
#15043
On October 12 2012 10:55 xDaunt wrote:
Ryan is not getting to say anything at all. This debate is a farce.


Ryan, oddly enough, has had about equal speaking time.
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TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
October 12 2012 01:55 GMT
#15044
On October 12 2012 10:54 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 10:52 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Jesus this moderator wont let Ryan talk at all.


ryan is actually getting plenty of speaking time, he's talking in that supposedly slow but persuasive and urgent way, but biden is being more assertive.

Ryan is getting less than half his normal speaking time because Biden is talking over him and the moderator cuts him off to let Biden speak.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
October 12 2012 01:55 GMT
#15045
On October 12 2012 10:54 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 10:52 acker wrote:
From the Economist:

"....Rosen concluded that Romney could pull off his tax plan without losing revenue assuming an extra 3 percent “growth effect” to the economy resulting from Romney’s rate cuts. That’s an extremely aggressive assumption, and in conflict with recent experience."

actually, that assumption is a pretty safe one, and it is a lot safer than the 0% the TPC report assumed.

then you add in rosen's cutting of all exemptions between 100-200k, oh and estate tax.
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
October 12 2012 01:55 GMT
#15046
On October 12 2012 10:54 acker wrote:
Why the fuck couldn't Obama do this?


If you believe Al Gore it was the climate.
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
October 12 2012 01:56 GMT
#15047
Even the moderator is interrupting and getting in jabs. It's like a double team lmao.
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Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
October 12 2012 01:56 GMT
#15048
On October 12 2012 10:54 CajunMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 10:52 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Jesus this moderator wont let Ryan talk at all.


I wonder why that is it couldn't be http://seattletimes.com/html/entertainment/2019397448_apusdebateraddatz.html

NoOOOOOO not that Obama couldn't know her personally.


Standard nonsense attack. Attack the points raised not the credibility of the people giving them. Doing so just makes you look like an ass unwilling to respond to arguments.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
October 12 2012 01:56 GMT
#15049
On October 12 2012 10:54 Joe Biden said:
Oh now you're Jack Kennedy?.

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
October 12 2012 01:56 GMT
#15050
moderator started better than this, shes following up ryan well. she needs to question biden as hard as she did at the start. harder questions can be a plus, and you dont seem biased either.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 12 2012 01:56 GMT
#15051
On October 12 2012 10:55 Praetorial wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 10:55 xDaunt wrote:
Ryan is not getting to say anything at all. This debate is a farce.


Ryan, oddly enough, has had about equal speaking time.

Bullshit, Biden has been talking over him for the past 10-15 mins.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
October 12 2012 01:56 GMT
#15052
On October 12 2012 10:53 Serinox wrote:
Is there any other stream than youtube? YouTube Live is very bad with the proxy I have to use because I'm in Germany >.>

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/richard-adams-blog/2012/oct/11/vp-debate-ryan-biden-live
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5710 Posts
October 12 2012 01:57 GMT
#15053
On October 12 2012 10:55 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 10:54 ticklishmusic wrote:
On October 12 2012 10:52 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Jesus this moderator wont let Ryan talk at all.


ryan is actually getting plenty of speaking time, he's talking in that supposedly slow but persuasive and urgent way, but biden is being more assertive.

Ryan is getting less than half his normal speaking time because Biden is talking over him and the moderator cuts him off to let Biden speak.


No he isn't. Ryan literally has 1min less speaking time out of ~25min that they've each had.
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Deathmanbob
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2356 Posts
October 12 2012 01:57 GMT
#15054
On October 12 2012 10:55 xDaunt wrote:
Ryan is not getting to say anything at all. This debate is a farce.


ryan is speaking just fine, his time and bidens time is almost the same (i wonder if CNN is counting bidens over speaking though)
No Artosis, you are robin
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-12 01:58:10
October 12 2012 01:57 GMT
#15055
Mmm. Moderator getting a little shady here.


On October 12 2012 10:55 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 10:54 ticklishmusic wrote:
On October 12 2012 10:52 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Jesus this moderator wont let Ryan talk at all.


ryan is actually getting plenty of speaking time, he's talking in that supposedly slow but persuasive and urgent way, but biden is being more assertive.

Ryan is getting less than half his normal speaking time because Biden is talking over him and the moderator cuts him off to let Biden speak.


That doesn't excuse that in his half time he's said very, very little of substance.
Supamang
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2298 Posts
October 12 2012 01:57 GMT
#15056
On October 12 2012 10:54 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Yeah, Biden interrupting and talking over him, trying to out yell him even. Almost unwatchable.

Ok I was at first thinking "well Romney did too" but youre right. This is ridiculous and the moderator keeps helping Biden. I want Biden to win, but legitimately
sc2superfan101
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
3583 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-12 01:58:46
October 12 2012 01:57 GMT
#15057
On October 12 2012 10:55 acker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 10:54 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On October 12 2012 10:52 acker wrote:
From the Economist:

"....Rosen concluded that Romney could pull off his tax plan without losing revenue assuming an extra 3 percent “growth effect” to the economy resulting from Romney’s rate cuts. That’s an extremely aggressive assumption, and in conflict with recent experience."

actually, that assumption is a pretty safe one, and it is a lot safer than the 0% the TPC report assumed.

TPC did not assume a 0% increase, it was 15% for the total tax reform per Mankiw's model. Mankiw is the econ advisor for Romney.

Very different from +3% to GDP. +3% GDP is ridiculous.

i suggest you actually read Rosen's report.

On October 12 2012 10:55 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 10:54 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On October 12 2012 10:52 acker wrote:
From the Economist:

"....Rosen concluded that Romney could pull off his tax plan without losing revenue assuming an extra 3 percent “growth effect” to the economy resulting from Romney’s rate cuts. That’s an extremely aggressive assumption, and in conflict with recent experience."

actually, that assumption is a pretty safe one, and it is a lot safer than the 0% the TPC report assumed.

then you add in rosen's cutting of all exemptions between 100-200k, oh and estate tax.

you should definitely read Rosen's report.
My fake plants died because I did not pretend to water them.
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
October 12 2012 01:57 GMT
#15058
On October 12 2012 10:55 Praetorial wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 10:55 xDaunt wrote:
Ryan is not getting to say anything at all. This debate is a farce.


Ryan, oddly enough, has had about equal speaking time.


Maybe that's true, but like a 1/4th of it is trying to say the same thing because he can't get it out due to Biden speaking over him.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 12 2012 01:58 GMT
#15059
The fix is in for this debate. The moderator is a hack. Biden is just talking over Ryan. This is not going to play well with the public. I'm sure that the MSNBC crowd will jizz their pants about what is happening. I doubt anyone else will.
paralleluniverse
Profile Joined July 2010
4065 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-12 01:59:58
October 12 2012 01:58 GMT
#15060
On October 12 2012 10:54 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 10:52 acker wrote:
From the Economist:

"....Rosen concluded that Romney could pull off his tax plan without losing revenue assuming an extra 3 percent “growth effect” to the economy resulting from Romney’s rate cuts. That’s an extremely aggressive assumption, and in conflict with recent experience."

actually, that assumption is a pretty safe one, and it is a lot safer than the 0% the TPC report assumed.

Even with that highly optimistic assumption of growth Rosen still requires tax raises on 100k-200k families, which is middle class.
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