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On October 04 2012 13:41 Kaitlin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 13:30 Defacer wrote:On October 04 2012 13:23 jalstar wrote:
Romney would be worse than Bush, he's a completely incompetent leader whose only real skill is playing politics.
McCain I actually felt good about and liked, I was only worried he'd die and we'd have the nightmare of President Palin. If Romney wins ... My prediction is that Romney will cut taxes and raise defense spending ... and make some courtesy cuts to the budget that won't come close to covering the costs. He will try to repeal Obamacare, but not too hard. He will fail. He will pretend to be tough on Iran, but all he will do is keep the sanctions that are already in place. The economy will continue to slowly recover and add about 10 to 12 million jobs -- a projection made by economists, assuming the US avoids the fiscal cliff and all of Obama's current policies stay in place. All this will result in increasing the debt for the long term, but create the illusion that Romney's administration has somehow succeeded. What about granny being thrown down the cliff and women dying in back alleys because Planned Parenthood has been defunded, and all the other social atrocities ? They don't make your list of predictions ?
uhm what? those belong in the list that includes obama was born in kenya.
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romney administration's slogan is probably something like, the business of government is business, except literally.
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Dude don't be taken in by that Breitbart crap. I know Romney was the winner in the debate today but you should get your news from a reputable source 
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As Romney is the better candidate and now winning the debates it should allow Romney to sprint forward to the presidency. Ryan should also smack his counterpart as Biden isn't charismatic.
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On October 04 2012 13:41 Kaitlin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 13:30 Defacer wrote:On October 04 2012 13:23 jalstar wrote:
Romney would be worse than Bush, he's a completely incompetent leader whose only real skill is playing politics.
McCain I actually felt good about and liked, I was only worried he'd die and we'd have the nightmare of President Palin. If Romney wins ... My prediction is that Romney will cut taxes and raise defense spending ... and make some courtesy cuts to the budget that won't come close to covering the costs. He will try to repeal Obamacare, but not too hard. He will fail. He will pretend to be tough on Iran, but all he will do is keep the sanctions that are already in place. The economy will continue to slowly recover and add about 10 to 12 million jobs -- a projection made by economists, assuming the US avoids the fiscal cliff and all of Obama's current policies stay in place. All this will result in increasing the debt for the long term, but create the illusion that Romney's administration has somehow succeeded. What about granny being thrown down the cliff and women dying in back alleys because Planned Parenthood has been defunded, and all the other social atrocities ? They don't make your list of predictions ?
Nah.
The truth is, Mitt Romney is a pussy with no integrity. He just wants to be president, and will do or say anything to get the job. Once he gets the job, he'll do barely anything, other then get those precious tax cuts and military contracts that those neocons are bankrolling him for.
Mitt Romney winning would be like Richard Hatch winning Survivor. Despite being an impressive, respectable accomplishment, everyone in America would die a little inside because some fast-talking two-faced tax-evading douche bag with a big head won ... again!
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On October 04 2012 13:47 archonOOid wrote:
As Romney is the better candidate and now winning the debates it should allow Romney to sprint forward to the presidency. Ryan should also be smack his counterpart as Biden isn't charismatic.
ACTUALLY, I think the by-product of Romney moving to center really puts Ryan in a tough spot. Some of the positions Romney claimed today contradict some of Ryan's ideas and beliefs.
Biden could and should ask that if Romney has no plans to cut medicare, no plans to cut taxes, no plan to cut spending to things like education or other entitlements, why, exactly, is Ryan on the ticket? What does a Ayn Rand conservative like Ryan contribute to the office?
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People need to not get so worked up over a debate and remember the issues that really matter. The cable news stations are so superfiscial -- I don't give a flying fuck "who looked more commanding." What I DO care about is which president will get to pick the next 2 or 3 supreme court justices, which in my mind, is fast becoming the most powerful branch of government.
Even though he let us down tonight, in my book, Obama has done a fine job considering he faced a hostile obstructionist congress. That is open to debate I understand, but most rational people would agree that the cable news cycles really magnify what are relatively inconsequential and superfiscial differences between the candidates---like George Bush the first looking at his watch, Al Gore sighing, Nixon sweating. All of that shit doesnt matter. This is why I try to remain disconnected from the race. Number one, my candidate's poor performance stresses me out. Number 2, I cant handle the focus on irrelevant issues.
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On October 04 2012 13:54 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 13:47 archonOOid wrote:
As Romney is the better candidate and now winning the debates it should allow Romney to sprint forward to the presidency. Ryan should also be smack his counterpart as Biden isn't charismatic. ACTUALLY, I think the by-product of Romney moving to center really puts Ryan in a tough spot. Some of the positions Romney claimed today contradict some of Ryan's ideas and beliefs. Biden could and should ask that if Romney has no plans to cut medicare, no plans to cut taxes, no plan to cut spending to things like education or other entitlements, why, exactly, is Ryan on the ticket? What does a Ayn Rand conservative like Ryan contribute to the office?
differential pricing, political style. the art of selling different platforms to diverse consumers with different political demands. you just gotta keep these people from talking to each other.
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On October 04 2012 13:57 oneofthem wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 13:54 Defacer wrote:On October 04 2012 13:47 archonOOid wrote:
As Romney is the better candidate and now winning the debates it should allow Romney to sprint forward to the presidency. Ryan should also be smack his counterpart as Biden isn't charismatic. ACTUALLY, I think the by-product of Romney moving to center really puts Ryan in a tough spot. Some of the positions Romney claimed today contradict some of Ryan's ideas and beliefs. Biden could and should ask that if Romney has no plans to cut medicare, no plans to cut taxes, no plan to cut spending to things like education or other entitlements, why, exactly, is Ryan on the ticket? What does a Ayn Rand conservative like Ryan contribute to the office? differential pricing, political style. the art of selling different platforms to diverse consumers with different political demands. you just gotta keep these people from talking to each other.
"Y'know, I'm smart ... and different!"
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On October 04 2012 14:00 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 13:57 oneofthem wrote:On October 04 2012 13:54 Defacer wrote:On October 04 2012 13:47 archonOOid wrote:
As Romney is the better candidate and now winning the debates it should allow Romney to sprint forward to the presidency. Ryan should also be smack his counterpart as Biden isn't charismatic. ACTUALLY, I think the by-product of Romney moving to center really puts Ryan in a tough spot. Some of the positions Romney claimed today contradict some of Ryan's ideas and beliefs. Biden could and should ask that if Romney has no plans to cut medicare, no plans to cut taxes, no plan to cut spending to things like education or other entitlements, why, exactly, is Ryan on the ticket? What does a Ayn Rand conservative like Ryan contribute to the office? differential pricing, political style. the art of selling different platforms to diverse consumers with different political demands. you just gotta keep these people from talking to each other. "Y'know, I'm smart ... and different!"
all the little randoids are kind of like apple cultists. yea
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On October 04 2012 13:18 screamingpalm wrote:
I don't expect Obama to "win" any of the debates, but Romney may come up short. The question will be how much damage Obama can avoid from them.
I don't really think a Romney win would be the armageddon Dems are claiming though. It's not like Obama is running against a Santorum, and I wonder how much of Romney's current stances on issues are just pandering to the conservative base. I have a feeling, if elected, he would take a sharp turn to the center and revert to his "moderate progressive" side. Obama didn't end up being the ultra-progressive bastion of "hope and change" after he was elected, after all.
Don't be afraid to vote third party. It's not a waste of time if that is what represents your views the best.
Gary Johnson 2012 for me.
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On October 04 2012 14:04 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 13:18 screamingpalm wrote:
I don't expect Obama to "win" any of the debates, but Romney may come up short. The question will be how much damage Obama can avoid from them.
I don't really think a Romney win would be the armageddon Dems are claiming though. It's not like Obama is running against a Santorum, and I wonder how much of Romney's current stances on issues are just pandering to the conservative base. I have a feeling, if elected, he would take a sharp turn to the center and revert to his "moderate progressive" side. Obama didn't end up being the ultra-progressive bastion of "hope and change" after he was elected, after all.
Don't be afraid to vote third party. It's not a waste of time if that is what represents your views the best. Gary Johnson 2012 for me.
If I was going to vote, it would be either him or Jill Stein.
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On October 04 2012 14:11 Silidons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 14:04 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On October 04 2012 13:18 screamingpalm wrote:
I don't expect Obama to "win" any of the debates, but Romney may come up short. The question will be how much damage Obama can avoid from them.
I don't really think a Romney win would be the armageddon Dems are claiming though. It's not like Obama is running against a Santorum, and I wonder how much of Romney's current stances on issues are just pandering to the conservative base. I have a feeling, if elected, he would take a sharp turn to the center and revert to his "moderate progressive" side. Obama didn't end up being the ultra-progressive bastion of "hope and change" after he was elected, after all.
Don't be afraid to vote third party. It's not a waste of time if that is what represents your views the best. Gary Johnson 2012 for me. If I was going to vote, it would be either him or Jill Stein.
Same..I liked in one interview when Gary Johnson said "if everybody just 'wasted' their vote on me I would be the next President".
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i think obama will do more of the participatory democracy stuff. basically if you have some citizen initiative you can interact with the government to make it more of a formal political action. i haven't paid enough attention to know if something like this is in teh works or already there, but i'd think if he is at all sincere to what his ideas are advertised as, he'd make the democratic party more of a platform for this sort of citizen action. green party issues can find expression in the administration one way or another.
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On October 04 2012 14:04 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 13:18 screamingpalm wrote:
I don't expect Obama to "win" any of the debates, but Romney may come up short. The question will be how much damage Obama can avoid from them.
I don't really think a Romney win would be the armageddon Dems are claiming though. It's not like Obama is running against a Santorum, and I wonder how much of Romney's current stances on issues are just pandering to the conservative base. I have a feeling, if elected, he would take a sharp turn to the center and revert to his "moderate progressive" side. Obama didn't end up being the ultra-progressive bastion of "hope and change" after he was elected, after all.
Don't be afraid to vote third party. It's not a waste of time if that is what represents your views the best. Gary Johnson 2012 for me.
Hah I live in NM and remember him as governor. I remember he supported legalizing pot, which I support. How many politicians have the balls to come out and say they support legalized marijuana? You sure wouldn't get that from Romney or Obama. Too bad I disagree with him on all his fiscal policies. He seems like a thoughtful, independant guy who has principles.
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On October 04 2012 14:14 kmillz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 14:11 Silidons wrote:On October 04 2012 14:04 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On October 04 2012 13:18 screamingpalm wrote:
I don't expect Obama to "win" any of the debates, but Romney may come up short. The question will be how much damage Obama can avoid from them.
I don't really think a Romney win would be the armageddon Dems are claiming though. It's not like Obama is running against a Santorum, and I wonder how much of Romney's current stances on issues are just pandering to the conservative base. I have a feeling, if elected, he would take a sharp turn to the center and revert to his "moderate progressive" side. Obama didn't end up being the ultra-progressive bastion of "hope and change" after he was elected, after all.
Don't be afraid to vote third party. It's not a waste of time if that is what represents your views the best. Gary Johnson 2012 for me. If I was going to vote, it would be either him or Jill Stein. Same..I liked in one interview when Gary Johnson said "if everybody just 'wasted' their vote on me I would be the next President".
I think it's bullshit how on piss-poor coverage the media gives them. I'm never going to vote for the "lesser-of-two-evils" because voting for either the democratic or republican candidate does absolutely nothing because major corporations are in bed with both of them. If more people knew that companies like Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan donate millions of money to BOTH candidates - it would become a huge problem. You know something is wrong when they're rooting for either team...
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On October 04 2012 14:18 Silidons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 14:14 kmillz wrote:On October 04 2012 14:11 Silidons wrote:On October 04 2012 14:04 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On October 04 2012 13:18 screamingpalm wrote:
I don't expect Obama to "win" any of the debates, but Romney may come up short. The question will be how much damage Obama can avoid from them.
I don't really think a Romney win would be the armageddon Dems are claiming though. It's not like Obama is running against a Santorum, and I wonder how much of Romney's current stances on issues are just pandering to the conservative base. I have a feeling, if elected, he would take a sharp turn to the center and revert to his "moderate progressive" side. Obama didn't end up being the ultra-progressive bastion of "hope and change" after he was elected, after all.
Don't be afraid to vote third party. It's not a waste of time if that is what represents your views the best. Gary Johnson 2012 for me. If I was going to vote, it would be either him or Jill Stein. Same..I liked in one interview when Gary Johnson said "if everybody just 'wasted' their vote on me I would be the next President". I think it's bullshit how on piss-poor coverage the media gives them. I'm never going to vote for the "lesser-of-two-evils" because voting for either the democratic or republican candidate does absolutely nothing because major corporations are in bed with both of them. If more people knew that companies like Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan donate millions of money to BOTH candidates - it would become a huge problem. You know something is wrong when they're rooting for either team...
They are rooting for both teams because they are hedging their bets so they can manipulate which ever Republicrat comes into office next.
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the power of finance acts to pressure the balance of capital and labor towards the former in the pursuit of profits. pretty straightforward. but politics is always about appearances and framing the narrative.
note this is not to say that some sort of vulgar marxist approach to economy is right. it is not. the current political machine just does not engage at all this sort of discussion about proper distribution of the products of the economy. it will do a lot to prevent such talk from becoming current. the best politics is no politic for finance.
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On October 04 2012 13:47 archonOOid wrote:
As Romney is the better candidate and now winning the debates it should allow Romney to sprint forward to the presidency. Ryan should also smack his counterpart as Biden isn't charismatic.
Biden is known as a superb debator, and he is. He will tear Ryan apart, especially since most people think that Ryan is going to win.
I doubt it will have much outcome on the race though.
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On October 04 2012 14:11 Silidons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 14:04 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On October 04 2012 13:18 screamingpalm wrote:
I don't expect Obama to "win" any of the debates, but Romney may come up short. The question will be how much damage Obama can avoid from them.
I don't really think a Romney win would be the armageddon Dems are claiming though. It's not like Obama is running against a Santorum, and I wonder how much of Romney's current stances on issues are just pandering to the conservative base. I have a feeling, if elected, he would take a sharp turn to the center and revert to his "moderate progressive" side. Obama didn't end up being the ultra-progressive bastion of "hope and change" after he was elected, after all.
Don't be afraid to vote third party. It's not a waste of time if that is what represents your views the best. Gary Johnson 2012 for me. If I was going to vote, it would be either him or Jill Stein.
So if you don't vote for the extreme left candidate, you will for the extreme right? Your logic amuses me.
The real winner of the debates was the American people, both candidates know what they are doing and both appeared presidential. Obama not playing the 47% cheap shot was clever of him, It appealed to me, but Romney wins overall, and has my vote.
All the idiots complaining about how social issues were not in the debate are fucking idiots. The debate schedule was openly available before the debate itself. Why would there be 3 debates if they were going to ignore that issue? After all the program hasn't changed much since its inception in the 60's.
Romney has had the same platform since the start of his campaign, try proving me otherwise. All the people complaining probably only get their news from the Huffington post.
Ryan will decimate Biden, clearly you have never seen him in action. He is an insane policy wonk, never makes a single gaffe. Besides, no one watches the vice-presidential debates, or for that matter the 2nd and 3rd presidential debates.
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