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On October 04 2012 13:00 whatevername wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 12:55 darthfoley wrote:On October 04 2012 12:51 jalstar wrote:On October 04 2012 12:48 darthfoley wrote:
personally i found the debate pretty lackluster, boring and run of the mill.
apparently i'm in the minority, but frankly i wasn't particularly moved by either candidate (although i'm obama biased). i'm just surprised the 47% comment wasn't referenced at least once.
am i the crazy one here? No, Romney looked mean and Obama's smirk was annoying. romney's fake smile 24/7 + blinking incessently was equally as annoying lol. frankly i wasted 1h30 of my life watching this lame ass debate. no social policies at all...the same boring arguments on the same boring areas of the economy. i could've finished my hw by now easily  edit: also, jim lehrer was completely destroyed, moderator my ass. obama probably had 60% of the total speaking time, at least. Why would they discuss social policy when the federal Government has limited control over social policies, and the president none? It's absurd. Especially since on every single social policy Romney and Obamare in agreement... --- Obama is a mediocre debater, got thrashed.
not really; well frankly i don't know where romney stands on social policy because he's flip flopped so many times already. is he pro life for this election? i know he was pro choice when running against ted kennedy.
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I do think the Mod shouldn't have let Romney cut him off so much. I'll say it again, Obama, what the fuck were you doing out there. Get your damn head back in the game. Jeeze.
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Honestly, that was a terrible debate. They walked all over lehrer, and just sucked in general. Romney denied his entire platform, while Obama just went full retard
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"i can't believe i'm saying this, but Obama looks like he DOES need a teleprompter"
^^ Bill Maher tweeted that... first time i've agreed with him in years.
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Romney is such a nothing that it is impossible for him to really defeat Obama in terms of actual policies, principles and fundamentals nor go on a strong and aggressive attack on Obama's fundamental ideas. Because of this, I didn't sense Romney really coming out on top but I'm glad that he seems to have out done Obama in terms of his style and presenting what meager ideas he has. Romney is a nothing who will keep America bumbling towards destruction but he is the only one capable of firing Obama and averting the quickly accelerating destruction that Obama will bring with him if he gets another 4 years.
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On October 04 2012 12:59 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 12:47 Defacer wrote:On October 04 2012 12:35 Doodsmack wrote:On October 04 2012 12:29 Defacer wrote:On October 04 2012 12:19 xDaunt wrote:From Andrew Sullivan: Look: you know how much I love the guy, and you know how much of a high information viewer I am, and I can see the logic of some of Obama's meandering, weak, professorial arguments. But this was a disaster for the president for the key people he needs to reach, and his effete, wonkish lectures may have jolted a lot of independents into giving Romney a second look.
Obama looked tired, even bored; he kept looking down; he had no crisp statements of passion or argument; he wasn't there. He was entirely defensive, which may have been the strategy. But it was the wrong strategy. At the wrong moment.
The person with authority on that stage was Romney - offered it by one of the lamest moderators ever, and seized with relish. This was Romney the salesman. And my gut tells me he sold a few voters on a change tonight. It's beyond depressing. But it's true.
There are two more debates left. I have experienced many times the feeling that Obama just isn't in it, that he's on the ropes and not fighting back, and then he pulls it out. He got a little better over time tonight. But he pulled every punch. Maybe the next two will undo some of the damage. But I have to say I think it was extensive. Source. Sums it up pretty well, I think. Yup. As an Obama guy, I'm disappointed ... but not surprised. Debating -- and going for the jugular -- is not Obama's forte. His nature is not to get combative or angry. But if the debates keep going in this direction, Romney will win, regardless of the facts or policy. There's an anecdote about Obama, as a ten year old living in Indonesia, having rocks thrown at him by other kids because he was Black. Casual racism runs pretty rampant there. He just danced and dodged the rocks. A friend of his mother offered to intervene, but his mother dismissed it, and said, "Oh, he's fine." It's just the way Obama was raised ... to keep your cool and not fight back. It's gotten him pretty far, but now he's met his match. He's never had a guy like Romney -- the type of kid that would assault another for having long, 'gay' hair, and laugh about it afterwards -- drag him through the mud. This will be interesting. History tells us that debates don't change the elections to the degree you claim here. Or at all really, with the exception of huge gaffes. Nah. If Romney choked the election would have been over. But Obama let him back into the race. Romney was incredibly well prepared -- even his lies were well-structured -- and he pivoted towards the middle. Obama can't let his surrogates fight this battle for him. He has to bring up specific examples of Romney's duplicity and just hammer him for it. He needs to figure out a clear, convincing way to point out what is obvious to all the high-information voters out there -- that Romney will basically do and say anything to become president. He has to attack Romney's character -- which, in and of itself, is an insanely risky strategy. Basically, the debates can't continue to be Romney marketing himself as a vaguely authoritative guy, with 'principles,' picking apart an exhausted leader. I'm not sure the word "nah" cuts it, you need to address the effect (or lack thereof) that debates have had on polls going back to Reagan.
I've seen the same polls ... but I think this time it's different. Don't know why. Maybe because the news and online media are frothing at the mouth at the narrative. Maybe because more voters are engaged, and paying more attention to the election.
I just get a sense that this time, the debates matter.
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On October 04 2012 13:05 aRyuujin wrote:
Honestly, that was a terrible debate. They walked all over lehrer, and just sucked in general. Romney denied his entire platform, while Obama just went full retard
Lmao... yeah that describes it pretty well, I thought it was quite hilarious.
Romney actually called out Obama multiple times for his "financial austerity" regarding medicare... lolwut?
And then when they were talking about Obamacare they were just saying the same thing, but it was like "Ok now that I have clearly debunked any hopes that the Obamacare has to succeed, I would like to remind you that if anything positive does come out of it, I'd like to take all the credit because that's exactly how I did it in my state."
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On October 04 2012 13:06 sc2superfan101 wrote:
"i can't believe i'm saying this, but Obama looks like he DOES need a teleprompter"
^^ Bill Maher tweeted that... first time i've agreed with him in years.
Me too, Chris Matthews finally hits a nail on the head too on this one.
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on a non-political note, I think it's sad that Barack and Michelle's anniversary had to be tonight of all nights. I would say that this might have played some part in his performance.
really makes you think about the hardships of being President. i rag on Barack a lot, but i can feel for him on that one. and Michelle, I especially feel for her, cause that must really suck. it's your 20th anniversary, and you can't spend almost any time with your husband....
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I don't expect Obama to "win" any of the debates, but Romney may come up short. The question will be how much damage Obama can avoid from them.
I don't really think a Romney win would be the armageddon Dems are claiming though. It's not like Obama is running against a Santorum, and I wonder how much of Romney's current stances on issues are just pandering to the conservative base. I have a feeling, if elected, he would take a sharp turn to the center and revert to his "moderate progressive" side. Obama didn't end up being the ultra-progressive bastion of "hope and change" after he was elected, after all.
Don't be afraid to vote third party. It's not a waste of time if that is what represents your views the best.
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the first non-terrible Romney performance has gotten all the TL Republicans coming out from wherever they've been lurking.
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Romney would be worse than Bush, he's a completely incompetent leader whose only real skill is playing politics.
McCain I actually felt good about and liked, I was only worried he'd die and we'd have the nightmare of President Palin.
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On October 04 2012 13:22 ticklishmusic wrote:
the first non-terrible Romney performance has gotten all the TL Republicans coming out from wherever they've been lurking.
Romney hasnt exactly had a stellar campaign, unless you want them to comment on his downfalls?
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On October 04 2012 13:18 screamingpalm wrote:
I don't expect Obama to "win" any of the debates, but Romney may come up short. The question will be how much damage Obama can avoid from them.
I don't really think a Romney win would be the armageddon Dems are claiming though. It's not like Obama is running against a Santorum, and I wonder how much of Romney's current stances on issues are just pandering to the conservative base. I have a feeling, if elected, he would take a sharp turn to the center and revert to his "moderate progressive" side. Obama didn't end up being the ultra-progressive bastion of "hope and change" after he was elected, after all.
Don't be afraid to vote third party. It's not a waste of time if that is what represents your views the best.
he already took a sharp turn to the left...
they were basically saying the same thing at the debate. The pandering to the conservative base occurred during the primaries, now both candidates rapidly approach the center at the speed of light as if they're they are the only 2 oppositely charged particles in the universe.
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On October 04 2012 13:23 jalstar wrote:
Romney would be worse than Bush, he's a completely incompetent leader whose only real skill is playing politics.
McCain I actually felt good about and liked, I was only worried he'd die and we'd have the nightmare of President Palin.
If Romney wins ...
My prediction is that Romney will cut taxes and raise defense spending ... and make some courtesy cuts to the budget that won't come close to covering the costs.
He will try to repeal Obamacare, but not too hard. He will fail.
He will pretend to be tough on Iran, but all he will do is keep the sanctions that are already in place.
The economy will continue to slowly recover and add about 10 to 12 million jobs -- a projection made by economists, assuming the US avoids the fiscal cliff and all of Obama's current policies stay in place.
All this will result in increasing the debt for the long term, but create the illusion that Romney's administration has somehow succeeded.
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he's not turning at all during the campaigns. if you think he's sincere about the message i've got a bridge to sell you right outside. it's all very practical and functional.
did bush turn left with the compassionate conservative stuff? lol
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On October 04 2012 13:22 ticklishmusic wrote:
the first non-terrible Romney performance has gotten all the TL Republicans coming out from wherever they've been lurking.
we've had so little to celebrate about lately, let us have our fun 
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On October 04 2012 13:22 ticklishmusic wrote:
the first non-terrible Romney performance has gotten all the TL Republicans coming out from wherever they've been lurking.
Republicans need something to be happy about when you have obama sitting on a likely 332 votes right now. They need all the good news they can get. The only state that looking like a true bg states is NC with a dead heat. All the other states have obama with big leads. When you running around a 4% plus lead in almost all bg states you have a lot of room to give.
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On October 04 2012 13:30 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 13:23 jalstar wrote:
Romney would be worse than Bush, he's a completely incompetent leader whose only real skill is playing politics.
McCain I actually felt good about and liked, I was only worried he'd die and we'd have the nightmare of President Palin. If Romney wins ... My prediction is that Romney will cut taxes and raise defense spending ... and make some courtesy cuts to the budget that won't come close to covering the costs. He will try to repeal Obamacare, but not too hard. He will fail. He will pretend to be tough on Iran, but all he will do is keep the sanctions that are already in place. The economy will continue to slowly recover and add about 10 to 12 million jobs -- a projection made by economists, assuming the US avoids the fiscal cliff and all of Obama's current policies stay in place. All this will result in increasing the debt for the long term, but create the illusion that Romney's administration has somehow succeeded.
What about granny being thrown down the cliff and women dying in back alleys because Planned Parenthood has been defunded, and all the other social atrocities ? They don't make your list of predictions ?
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