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dvorakftw
681 Posts
On August 30 2012 04:37 Leporello wrote: I admit I had to look up the exact definition of "subjucate". I was going to reply to your post in kind but lost complete interest to even read what you wrote at this point. You got me on a spelling error! gg, son. How stupid of me to miss a typo on a message board post! Damn you, public education. If only my teachers had been paid more money... | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On August 30 2012 05:07 Derez wrote: Social security isn't untouchable, and there's no 'debt' the government owes to boomers that have been paying all their lives (they've been paying way too little in the first place). While people might feel like they deserve it, that's not how the system works and eventual cutbacks on social security are simply unavoidable, even with tax increases. That's pretty much true for any developed nation in the world. You made me sad ... for Americans. The Canadian Revenue Agency confirmed that the Canadian Pension Plan is secure for the next 75 years, even accounting for factors such as longer life expectancy, earlier retirement or another financial shock. | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On August 30 2012 05:07 Derez wrote: Social security isn't untouchable, and there's no 'debt' the government owes to boomers that have been paying all their lives (they've been paying way too little in the first place). While people might feel like they deserve it, that's not how the system works and eventual cutbacks on social security are simply unavoidable, even with tax increases. That's pretty much true for any developed nation in the world. I'm not well versed on social security, but isn't american SS running a surplus for the next several years or so? Any SS cut just seems like a way to pay for corporate tax cuts straight from working class pockets. | ||
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HunterX11
United States1048 Posts
On August 30 2012 04:54 Defacer wrote: The cold hard truth is that tax revenue must rise as the boomers age and America doubles the number of people on Social Security and Medicare. I'm not even sure if gutting defense or medicare will cover it. Social Security is untouchable debt the government already owes boomers who have been paying taxes their entire lives. The defense budget is part of discretionary spending and unrelated to Social Security funding. It is a problem that the government borrowing against the SS Trust Fund despite the protestations of conservative libertarian Republicans like Al Gore, but nonetheless entitlements are on track to be funded through 2038 right now, and that number could easily be extended through simple measures such as raising the FICA cap. | ||
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deepfield1
United States373 Posts
Crazy. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
AMA on reddit from obama. It's really really slow right now because of the traffic. | ||
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farvacola
United States18856 Posts
On August 30 2012 05:31 deepfield1 wrote: I guess President Obama is doing an AMA on reddit right now.. Crazy. Yep it is confirmed to be him. I might actually force myself to wade through that mess of a website to see what transpires. | ||
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dvorakftw
681 Posts
On August 30 2012 04:37 Leporello wrote: [Obama] didn't fight for single-payer health-care. He never even suggested it. BOOM goes the dynamite! Have a nice day. | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On August 30 2012 05:33 farvacola wrote: Yep it is confirmed to be him. I might actually force myself to wade through that mess of a website to see what transpires. I'm going to guess marijuana legalization is going to come up like his last internet question event. Also some people will probably annoy him about his comments on video games :x | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
On August 30 2012 05:35 dvorakftw wrote: Okay I lied. I couldn't resist reading the rest. I'm still not going to answer point by point but this was just too juicy to pass up. BOOM goes the dynamite! Have a nice day. You're not going to answer point by point, just cherry-pick the one thing you think you can rebuke me on. How very xDaunt of you. That was a speech. A speech from 2003 -- that is the most relevant thing you could find... It is not a piece of legislation. Obama did not propose any single-payer healthcare system, but he is guilty of politically pandering to the AFL-CIO. But I'm sorry you decline to actually respond in full to my post. Considering the second youtube link you enticed me (and whomever else) into clicking for absolutely no reason but to gloat over your perceived internet "victory", I'm not inclined to think it's of any loss. This is why you and the Tea Party suck. You give me a nearly ten-year old speech Obama gave to the AFL-CIO, and state it like its been his policy as acting President. So dishonest and intellectually corrupt. User was warned for this post | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
On August 30 2012 05:24 dvorakftw wrote: I was going to reply to your post in kind but lost complete interest to even read what you wrote at this point. You got me on a spelling error! gg, son. How stupid of me to miss a typo on a message board post! Damn you, public education. If only my teachers had been paid more money... It was not a spelling error, just an extremely sensationalist word-choice. This bantering is unproductive, and I'll stop taking the bait now. You're a credit to your party. | ||
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NeonFox
2373 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
On August 30 2012 06:00 xDaunt wrote: What, are we really going to pretend that Obama wouldn't have pushed for the inclusion of a public option and single payer system in Obamacare if he could have gotten the support for it from his own party? No, I'm sure you'll make whatever assumptions you want from a 9-year old speech Obama gave to the AFL-CIO. But, meanwhile, facts are facts. "Would've" or "Could've" is meaningless. Obama passed whatever legislation he passed, and despite any compromises he made in doing so, he is labelled not for what he did, but for something he said once in a singluar youtube clip. edit: And for myself, I'd like single-payer. But the health-insurance middle-man industry is too ingrained into our economy. It'll require small steps to get there, if we ever do. | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On August 30 2012 05:35 dvorakftw wrote: Okay I lied. I couldn't resist reading the rest. I'm still not going to answer point by point Everyone knows the reason you're not going to answer point by point is that Leporello completely destroyed every single one of your nonsensical talking points. | ||
Falling
Canada11454 Posts
On August 30 2012 05:24 dvorakftw wrote: I was going to reply to your post in kind but lost complete interest to even read what you wrote at this point. You got me on a spelling error! gg, son. How stupid of me to miss a typo on a message board post! Damn you, public education. If only my teachers had been paid more money... In the last couple pages, you've gotten rather contrary and have abandoned a more reasonable defence of your ideas. Don't bring down the thread like this please. | ||
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dvorakftw
681 Posts
On August 30 2012 05:44 Leporello wrote: You're not going to answer point by point, just cherry-pick the one thing you think you can rebuke me on. How very xDaunt of you. So predictable. That was a speech. A speech from 2003 -- that is the most relevant thing you could find... That was me feeling lucky on Google and giving you 15 seconds more consideration than you're worth. | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
On August 30 2012 06:15 dvorakftw wrote: So predictable. That was me feeling lucky on Google and giving you 15 seconds more consideration than you're worth. How about you consider that there are other people reading this board, and provide them with something more relevant than a nine-year-old youtube clip and a rap video? You wanted to make a point that Obama was pushing for single-payer healthcare system as acting President. You have failed to make that point. It is no one else's fault but your own. I insulted you, and probably should've refrained from doing so, despite any insults I perceive coming from you. But the fact is, you make accusations, you don't back them up, and then you top it off with taunts. | ||
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dvorakftw
681 Posts
On August 30 2012 06:13 Falling wrote: In the last couple pages, you've gotten rather contrary and have abandoned a more reasonable defence of your ideas. Don't bring down the thread like this please. I apologize. It was the "Wow. You genuinely don't know what you're talking about" attack. It was like I was having flashbacks to worker rushes on Steppes of War. I've been lost and confused ever since but I will try to regain my composure to try and give the reasonable defence of my ideas that such tough attacks as "Wow. You genuinely don't know what you're talking about." deserve. Then maybe I can move on to answer the serious allegation that I "suck". | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15742 Posts
On August 30 2012 06:15 dvorakftw wrote: So predictable. That was me feeling lucky on Google and giving you 15 seconds more consideration than you're worth. You are being extremely rude and are lowering the level of conversation in this thread. A lot of us want to have discussions but you are obstructing that. xDaunt supports many of the same things I'm sure you do, but he does it much more composed and politely than you do. | ||
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