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Hey guys! We'll be closing this thread shortly, but we will make an American politics megathread where we can continue the discussions in here.

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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
November 04 2012 06:45 GMT
#23541
Ethereal... all I have to say is that is some confusing shit and gerrymandering is weird.
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Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
November 04 2012 06:46 GMT
#23542
On November 04 2012 15:36 EtherealDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2012 15:29 Souma wrote:
On November 04 2012 15:28 EtherealDeath wrote:
On November 04 2012 15:27 Souma wrote:
On November 04 2012 15:26 EtherealDeath wrote:
On November 04 2012 15:23 Souma wrote:
On November 04 2012 15:18 EtherealDeath wrote:
On November 04 2012 15:15 Maxyim wrote:
On November 04 2012 15:11 EtherealDeath wrote:
Curious. Hadn't thought much of it when I did early voting on Friday, but actually my ballot had me voting for not my congressional district, but rather a neighboring one. Not that it is likely to matter since both districts are traditionally Democratic and I happened to vote for the Democratic candidate as well.

Good thing that districting fail would be a bit harder to have happen for the Presidential election...


That makes no sense at all; your district is based on your home address and your ballot should have included your local, state and Federal representatives based on that address. Are you sure that you are not really located in this "neighboring" district?

I'm in district 4 of my state. My ballot was for district 13. District 13 is across the highway that is about 3/4 mile from my house.

Source - US Congress "Find your representative" site tells me my address is District 4. I also know who I happened to vote for, and he's the representation for District 13. I didn't notice what the little nagging thought at the back of my head was at the time, as I have read up on a few representatives from my state, so it didn't immediately click to me that this wasn't my representative, as the guy was familiar to me.
On November 04 2012 15:16 Souma wrote:
On November 04 2012 15:11 EtherealDeath wrote:
Curious. Hadn't thought much of it when I did early voting on Friday, but actually my ballot had me voting for not my congressional district, but rather a neighboring one. Not that it is likely to matter since both districts are traditionally Democratic and I happened to vote for the Democratic candidate as well.

Good thing that districting fail would be a bit harder to have happen for the Presidential election...


You sure it isn't because the lines were redrawn recently?

As of tonight, 10 minutes ago, US Congress site tells me my exact address (not zip code, exact address) is District 4, not 13. Sadly I already turned in the ballot back on Friday, so there's no retrieving it/fixing it.


That's odd. I'd take it up with your city, seriously. They could be screwing over a lot of voters.

Closed till Monday :D

Wonder what they can even do about it. On the positive side though, it's highly unlikely to matter in these particular two districts as the opposing party candidate really does not have much of a snowball's chance in hell, as both are long serving incumbents with good support.

Unless of course magically the opposition candidates win :D


For all we know they could be shifting all the Democratic votes to one district while retaining the Republican votes in another district. :p

Well, let's just say the margins are expected to be large enough that if the Republican candidate won in either district, it'd be extremely surprising. It would be like Obama winning Mississippi and Alabama.


Just curious. What state are you in?

North Carolina.

Also, I'm doing some googling and it appears that... this is going to sound really funny, but apparently after 2010, the 13th district and 4th district were semi merged in some areas in such a way that actually the 13th district representative's residence is no long in the 13th district but rather in the 4th district, and actually the 13th district's representative represents part of district 4 and can run against district 4's representation in those areas, but those areas are still technically district 4, so under the Congress site it claims I'm in district 4, rather than the across the highway district 13.

What the fuck.

From http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Redistricting_in_North_Carolina
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On July 19, the North Carolina GOP released a revised version of its Congressional redistricting maps. Overall, the map is seen as significantly worse for the state's Congressional Democrats. Unlike the previous plan which weakened four Democratic districts but kept incumbents within their original districts, the new draft paired four Democrats in two districts. Specifically, the plan paired Reps. Larry Kissell (D) and Mike McIntyre (D) in the strongly-Republican 8th District. The plan also paired Rep. Brad Miller (D) and Rep. David Price (D) in Price's District 4. Miller, who still lives near his old district (13), did not plan to challenge Price.


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Following the 2010 Census results, North Carolina did not gain or lose any congressional seats, maintaining its 13 representatives. Under the new map, current 13th District Representative Brad Miller (D) finds himself living in and representing part of the new 4th District. He may run against fellow Democrat and current 4th District representative David Price.


But Brad Miller was on my ballot and David Price was not, so is it considering me part of the Brad Miller only District 13 then? Since I'm obviously not part of the 4th or 4th/13th hybrid thing, as David Price is actually running for re-election, so he'd have been on my ballot if that was the case.


Sounds all very terrible and confusing. I'm glad California created a citizens' initiative for drawing up districts as opposed to leaving it up to politicians.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
November 04 2012 06:47 GMT
#23543
Iran offers to help cities devastated by Hurricane Sandy

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/iran_offers_to_help_cities_devastated_7dKmHIw0RJQWuk5Ar8U83I

wait, what?
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18839 Posts
November 04 2012 06:50 GMT
#23544
Yeah, Ethereal that really sucks; I'm not too familiar with state politics in NC but if that sort of redistricting takes place it looks really messed up.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
November 04 2012 06:54 GMT
#23545
On November 04 2012 15:45 ticklishmusic wrote:
Ethereal... all I have to say is that is some confusing shit and gerrymandering is weird.

I call it the US's way of legally trying to rig elections lOl.
Maxyim
Profile Joined March 2012
430 Posts
November 04 2012 07:00 GMT
#23546
Gerrymandering is completely moronic and outdated. It is also the reason for why there are so many incumbents, and why some huge percentage of Congress will get re-elected despite approval ratings being in the 20ies. Unfortunately, it would take a Constitutional Convention to do anything about it (throw term limits in there as well).

On November 04 2012 15:47 ticklishmusic wrote:
Iran offers to help cities devastated by Hurricane Sandy

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/iran_offers_to_help_cities_devastated_7dKmHIw0RJQWuk5Ar8U83I

wait, what?


Holy crap, WTF? Iran kissing Romney's butt already??? :D
Veritask
Profile Joined November 2010
260 Posts
November 04 2012 07:01 GMT
#23547
I thought it would be interesting if we got some electoral prediction maps in here. Here's mine

I ended up with a 303-235 margin for Obama. Romney absolutely needs Florida to keep his chances alive. If Obama can take Ohio, he'll realistically only need two of the remaining 7-8 battleground states. And even if he doesn't, he'll just have to split the battlegrounds and he'll win. I don't see it happening for Romney.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18839 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-04 07:04:46
November 04 2012 07:04 GMT
#23548
I've already predicted this before, but I'll say it again; Obama will win the popular and electoral vote in addition to every swing state except NC.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Feartheguru
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1334 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-04 07:28:11
November 04 2012 07:22 GMT
#23549
http://www.270towin.com/2012_election_predictions.php?mapid=bgJZ

Even giving the Republicans Florida (True tossup), NC (Democrats are as likely to take this as Republicans Ohio), VA (tossup at best for Republicans), Colorado+Iowa+NH (Democratic leaning at this point) they still don't win. Obama has a lot of paths to victory even without Ohio. Romney has essentially none, not to mention he needs to win a tossup in Florida for anything else to even matters.

Romney's auto ads in Ohio (basically blatant lies, Obama took GM and Chrysler into bankruptcy wtf, I'd be embarrassed to approve it) and last ditch attempt at PA are signs of desperation. If the polls are all biased and Romney is actually solid as some people here want to believe he wouldn't resort to these things.

My own prediction is the same as the one above 303 for Obama.
Don't sweat the petty stuff, don't pet the sweaty stuff.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-04 07:23:41
November 04 2012 07:22 GMT
#23550
On November 04 2012 16:04 farvacola wrote:
I've already predicted this before, but I'll say it again; Obama will win the popular and electoral vote in addition to every swing state except NC.


I predict Florida (by a couple hundred votes) and NC go Romney, but Obama wins overall with a couple hundred thousand advantage.

http://www.270towin.com/2012_election_predictions.php?mapid=bgKf
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kmillz
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1548 Posts
November 04 2012 07:59 GMT
#23551
On November 04 2012 16:22 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2012 16:04 farvacola wrote:
I've already predicted this before, but I'll say it again; Obama will win the popular and electoral vote in addition to every swing state except NC.


I predict Florida (by a couple hundred votes) and NC go Romney, but Obama wins overall with a couple hundred thousand advantage.

http://www.270towin.com/2012_election_predictions.php?mapid=bgKf


Same prediction as mine
Mysticesper
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1183 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-04 08:34:10
November 04 2012 08:17 GMT
#23552
http://www.270towin.com/2012_election_predictions.php?mapid=bgLt

I just want to watch an electoral college tie so badly. End the election cycle with a fun drama bomb.
Amnesty
Profile Joined April 2003
United States2054 Posts
November 04 2012 08:23 GMT
#23553
Just watched "Koch Brothers Exposed" and its pretty disturbing shit.
Search for it on youtube and watch the full version.

Basically, its big oil barons that make 13 million a day. And use that money to buy out politicians for their own agenda.
Killing unions, segregating public schools, voter suppression, killing EPA, and a bunch of other shit.

They really hate Obama and his green energy initiatives because it hurts there pocket book. Not to mention his blocking of the keystone pipeline, and fuel economy standards.

Here in Michigan, we have a proposal on the ballet for 25x25 (25% green energy by 2025). There is a sick amount of attack ads about it.

I always thought it was really strange how the republicans attacked Chevy Volts. I can't remember really any consumer product that was politicized like that, car or not.


The sky just is, and goes on and on; and we play all our BW games beneath it.
Feartheguru
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1334 Posts
November 04 2012 08:31 GMT
#23554
On November 04 2012 17:17 Mysticesper wrote:
http://www.270towin.com/2012_election_predictions.php?mapid=bgKf

I just want to watch an electoral college tie so badly. End the election cycle with a fun drama bomb.


House picks President, Senate picks VP. Romney Biden 2012 or Romney Obama 2012?
Don't sweat the petty stuff, don't pet the sweaty stuff.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
November 04 2012 08:39 GMT
#23555
On November 04 2012 17:17 Mysticesper wrote:
http://www.270towin.com/2012_election_predictions.php?mapid=bgKf

I just want to watch an electoral college tie so badly. End the election cycle with a fun drama bomb.

I'd take that over an Obama victory, that's to be sure. Romney gets voted in pres by the house, Biden by the Senate. I get my choice for president, but not VP, with consolation prize of Biden still being. super newsworthy.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Mysticesper
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1183 Posts
November 04 2012 08:43 GMT
#23556
Eh, we could dump Biden and let the senate vote in Obama as VP.
Feartheguru
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1334 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-04 08:49:26
November 04 2012 08:47 GMT
#23557
If Romney wins this, this is how I see it.

Republicans crash the economy, the Democrats manage to turn the economy around but barely due to extreme obstructionism. Obama is said to be "weak" because Republicans plays the "nice country you got there, it would be a shame if something happened to it" game to get what they want. Republicans win off their anti-patriotic tactics and take credit for the recovery and the ability to be "bipartisan", since the democrats are not crazy enough to hold their country hostage for political gain.

If this happens I'd truly be sad for the state of America's democracy.
Don't sweat the petty stuff, don't pet the sweaty stuff.
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-04 08:51:02
November 04 2012 08:49 GMT
#23558
On November 04 2012 17:23 Amnesty wrote:
Just watched "Koch Brothers Exposed" and its pretty disturbing shit.
Search for it on youtube and watch the full version.

Basically, its big oil barons that make 13 million a day. And use that money to buy out politicians for their own agenda.
Killing unions, segregating public schools, voter suppression, killing EPA, and a bunch of other shit.

They really hate Obama and his green energy initiatives because it hurts there pocket book. Not to mention his blocking of the keystone pipeline, and fuel economy standards.

Here in Michigan, we have a proposal on the ballet for 25x25 (25% green energy by 2025). There is a sick amount of attack ads about it.

I always thought it was really strange how the republicans attacked Chevy Volts. I can't remember really any consumer product that was politicized like that, car or not.


The Koch Brothers are what I imagine to be the culmination of every sleezy fat cat you've ever seen in movies. But apparently everything they're pushing for is going to help the average American in so many ways, so go figure. *shrug*
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Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
November 04 2012 08:58 GMT
#23559
either way whoever wins the presidency will be able to take advantage of the recovery that we have entered and will grow from from here on out for political gain. whether that's romney and his 'jerbs' or obama and his political agenda we have yet to see, but obama winning might well lead into a democrat shift into the future or vice versa for romney
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Amnesty
Profile Joined April 2003
United States2054 Posts
November 04 2012 09:26 GMT
#23560
On November 04 2012 17:49 Souma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2012 17:23 Amnesty wrote:
Just watched "Koch Brothers Exposed" and its pretty disturbing shit.
Search for it on youtube and watch the full version.

Basically, its big oil barons that make 13 million a day. And use that money to buy out politicians for their own agenda.
Killing unions, segregating public schools, voter suppression, killing EPA, and a bunch of other shit.

They really hate Obama and his green energy initiatives because it hurts there pocket book. Not to mention his blocking of the keystone pipeline, and fuel economy standards.

Here in Michigan, we have a proposal on the ballet for 25x25 (25% green energy by 2025). There is a sick amount of attack ads about it.

I always thought it was really strange how the republicans attacked Chevy Volts. I can't remember really any consumer product that was politicized like that, car or not.


The Koch Brothers are what I imagine to be the culmination of every sleezy fat cat you've ever seen in movies. But apparently everything they're pushing for is going to help the average American in so many ways, so go figure. *shrug*


You will retract that second sentence after you watch the documentary.
The sky just is, and goes on and on; and we play all our BW games beneath it.
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