Shooting of Trayvon Martin - Page 370

On July 12 2013 07:45 iamperfection wrote:

Why ?
im pretty sure the vast majority would probably be outraged here on tl.

On July 12 2013 07:55 Blacktion wrote:

Id be fucking disgusted.
Even if GZ is guilty, the prosecution has got nowhere near beyond reasonable doubt.
Theres no way the jury can convict without some serious bullshit behind closed doors.

On July 12 2013 07:43 GreenGringo wrote:
I predict that if Zimmerman is found guilty, the general opinion at TL will switch overnight from 95% pro-Zimmerman to 50% either way. Kind of like when Paris fell to the Germans and then opinion started to be divided and all these Nazi apologists sprung up out of the woodwork.

On July 12 2013 08:13 Microchaton wrote:
Beg your pardon ? (Parisian here) If anything it's the contrary, a lot of people didn't have anything against nazis before the invasion or even agreed with their ideas (jews were despised pretty much everywhere + charismatic leader with strong ideas/authority at a time where the french political (and military) leaders weren't exactly at their strongest... But everybody was pretty mad when Paris was invaded, the people who actually "welcomed" the invaders were very few and far between, and very discreet at the beginning. If you meant Nazi apologists in the rest of the world, it also isn't really true it's just that a lot of people didn't want to take risks by betting on the wrong horse.

On July 12 2013 07:43 GreenGringo wrote:
I predict that if Zimmerman is found guilty, the general opinion at TL will switch overnight from 95% pro-Zimmerman to 50% either way. Kind of like when Paris fell to the Germans and then opinion started to be divided and all these Nazi apologists sprung up out of the woodwork.

On July 12 2013 09:03 GreenHorizons wrote:



I am sure you will see some backtracking and/or berating of the jury because they didn't see what TL posters saw.

I don't at all find Zimmerman's multiple accounts believable or reasonable.

So for me much of what people here are presuming is reasonable is capable of being dismissed as unreasonable.

As a result I find it totally possible and reasonably likely he gets convicted of something, however I do find it highly unlikely it will be murder 2

And for those who think it totally unreasonable, the justice system has made it clear otherwise. So if there is a bias from the judge that doesn't adhere to the law the appeal acquittal would likely get granted with little fanfare.

The idea that the case should have never been granted is a view held by some on TL and the failed PD but the judge knew this would be highly scrutinized; if it was remotely as obvious as TL posters make it sound that it should of been thrown out, it would have been.

Simply put the vast majority here are simply wrong about whether the case should of been brought in the first place so I don't put a whole lot of value in their assessments of the potential verdicts.

On July 12 2013 09:21 Infernal_dream wrote:


It doesn't really matter if you believe Zimmerman or not. You have to believe beyond reasonable doubt (100% sure in your head) that it's murder. If you don't believe 100% that it's murder then you can't convict him.

On July 12 2013 09:28 ragz_gt wrote:


Judge is allowing manslaughter charge now, no?

On July 12 2013 07:55 Blacktion wrote:

Id be fucking disgusted.
Even if GZ is guilty, the prosecution has got nowhere near beyond reasonable doubt.
Theres no way the jury can convict without some serious bullshit behind closed doors.

On July 12 2013 09:28 ragz_gt wrote:


Judge is allowing manslaughter charge now, no?

[B]On July 12 2013 08:47 GreenGringo wrote:Well, I find it hard to believe that the French were pro-German when they were at war with Germany, and I don't think it's disputable that the Nazi occupation greatly accelerated the Nazification of French culture. But the details don't really matter. Point was, people tend to go along with power. It's true in the case of invading armies, who almost invariably (given ruthless enough tactics) bend the occupied people to their will. I fear we'll find that it's true in the case of baying mobs that threaten to riot and brand anyone who disagrees with them as a racist.

On July 12 2013 09:49 Microchaton wrote:


Sigh I'm sure you know the history of my country better than myself, regardless of my masters degree in history. Anyway I don't want to derail this thread, it's already been diverted too much by various debates.


How does the jury sequestration, are they forbidden to use the internet/their phones, constantly escorted and isolated in a hotel room and unable to speak with one another ?

On July 12 2013 09:29 GreenHorizons wrote:
Well to be fair, what I think or what anyone here in this thread thinks doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

That being said I don't find it reasonable to doubt that Zimmerman initiated the conflict.

I know people will disagree and regardless of what I post for why people won't accept it so I won't bother and will just wait till the verdict comes out most likely.

On July 12 2013 07:55 Blacktion wrote:

Id be fucking disgusted.
Even if GZ is guilty, the prosecution has got nowhere near beyond reasonable doubt.
Theres no way the jury can convict without some serious bullshit behind closed doors.

On July 12 2013 09:49 farvacola wrote:

There is a difference between what the judge allows and the verdict the jury renders.......