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On June 27 2013 03:19 Kaitlin wrote:
Usually when prosecution presents audio or video recordings, you expect it to be pretty damning. These 911 tapes ? Nothing more than a concerned citizen looking out for his neighbors. This is something the prosecution actually fought to get in. I'm just totally baffled by this ridiculousness. How stupid a society have we become ?
Calm down, it's just a trial in Florida. There is stupidity everywhere.
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On June 27 2013 03:21 Esk23 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 03:18 biology]major wrote:
How are these previous 911 calls supposed to help or hurt anyone's case. It's basically all speculation, I are confused. The proscecution is trying to say to the jury that George Zimmerman acted to well and nice in the previous phone calls that he had to have been upset and frustrated by the time the last one happened that he instigated the fight. In other words, the prosecution has no real reliable evidence and are pretty damn desperate.
i dont think so. i think they are trying to show he is a racist. they cherry picked all of the black suspects. didnt he make like hundreds of calls previously? why are they only doing a sample of the black dudes...
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On June 27 2013 03:16 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 03:14 Esk23 wrote:On June 27 2013 03:09 Masq wrote:On June 27 2013 03:02 Esk23 wrote:
Cool, the witness ASSUMED Zimmerman was on top because she later saw images of the 12 year old Trayvon Martin pictures and assumed Zimmerman had to be the one on top because of the age difference. This is the prosecution's witness... LOL. Seeing as one of them was left laying on the ground and didn't get up, and the person on top stood up and walked away it's not much of an assumption to assume who was whom, according to her testimony. I'm sorry, I missed the part in her testimony when she said she saw the person on top get up after the shot was fired and walk away. Are you even listening/watching the video? she said that in the re-direct. the person on top walked away.
Right. But she didn't actually see that. She assumed what happened based on pictures of Trayvon when he was 12 years old, that Trayvon was a small little 12 year old kid and George being in his late twenties had to have been the "bigger" one. She said she saw the bigger of the two on top. We know now that Trayvon was actually 17 and about 6'3". Two days ago, they showed video of Trayvon buying scittles and a drink standing next to the cashier who was 5'10" and he made the cashier look pretty small. George Zimmerman is 5'7" by the way.
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On June 27 2013 03:14 Masq wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 03:12 bugser wrote:
Zimmerman is only reporting black people. What could it mean? that only black people are suspicious, WHAT ELSE?
Well, previous history of only reporting black people followed by his statement "they always get away" followed by his shooting of a black teen walking home.
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On June 27 2013 03:25 Esk23 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 03:16 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 27 2013 03:14 Esk23 wrote:On June 27 2013 03:09 Masq wrote:On June 27 2013 03:02 Esk23 wrote:
Cool, the witness ASSUMED Zimmerman was on top because she later saw images of the 12 year old Trayvon Martin pictures and assumed Zimmerman had to be the one on top because of the age difference. This is the prosecution's witness... LOL. Seeing as one of them was left laying on the ground and didn't get up, and the person on top stood up and walked away it's not much of an assumption to assume who was whom, according to her testimony. I'm sorry, I missed the part in her testimony when she said she saw the person on top get up after the shot was fired and walk away. Are you even listening/watching the video? she said that in the re-direct. the person on top walked away. Right. But she didn't actually see that. She assumed what happened based on pictures of Trayvon when he was 12 years old, that Trayvon was a small little 12 year old kid and George being in his late twenties had to have been the "bigger" one. She said the saw the bigger of the two on top. We know now that Trayvon was actually 17 and about 6'3". Two days ago, they showed video of Trayvon buying scittles and a drink standing next to the cashier who was 5'10" and he made the cashier look pretty small.
she's not very credible.
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On June 27 2013 03:26 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 03:14 Masq wrote:On June 27 2013 03:12 bugser wrote:
Zimmerman is only reporting black people. What could it mean? that only black people are suspicious, WHAT ELSE? Well, previous history of only reporting black people followed by his statement "they always get away" followed by his shooting of a black teen walking home.
he didnt just report black people though. he reported everyone. prosecutors are cherry picking just like you have been doing in this whole thread.
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Uh oh, one of the people who George called the police on was later arrested for burglary... Farv, that's what I meant, our society, not just Florida. I tend to think this trial is occurring because of public outcry, which is based on something other than actual evidence.
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This next witness is supposedly the State's star witness, right?
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HE WE GOOOOO !!!!!! This Rachel witness is gonna be GOOOOOOOOODDDDDD !!!!!!
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On June 27 2013 03:26 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 03:14 Masq wrote:On June 27 2013 03:12 bugser wrote:
Zimmerman is only reporting black people. What could it mean? that only black people are suspicious, WHAT ELSE? Well, previous history of only reporting black people followed by his statement "they always get away" followed by his shooting of a black teen walking home.
Thieving Madpie please, your bias is showing.
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On June 27 2013 03:25 Esk23 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 03:16 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 27 2013 03:14 Esk23 wrote:On June 27 2013 03:09 Masq wrote:On June 27 2013 03:02 Esk23 wrote:
Cool, the witness ASSUMED Zimmerman was on top because she later saw images of the 12 year old Trayvon Martin pictures and assumed Zimmerman had to be the one on top because of the age difference. This is the prosecution's witness... LOL. Seeing as one of them was left laying on the ground and didn't get up, and the person on top stood up and walked away it's not much of an assumption to assume who was whom, according to her testimony. I'm sorry, I missed the part in her testimony when she said she saw the person on top get up after the shot was fired and walk away. Are you even listening/watching the video? she said that in the re-direct. the person on top walked away. Right. But she didn't actually see that. She assumed what happened based on pictures of Trayvon when he was 12 years old, that Trayvon was a small little 12 year old kid and George being in his late twenties had to have been the "bigger" one. She said she saw the bigger of the two on top. We know now that Trayvon was actually 17 and about 6'3". Two days ago, they showed video of Trayvon buying scittles and a drink standing next to the cashier who was 5'10" and he made the cashier look pretty small.
While true, its sort of irrelevant to the point.
Basically the 'bigger one' was on top, and got up after and walked about.
The person on the bottom, didn't get up.
What other information is needed? Discussing pictures and size is trivial if only one person ever got up.
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On June 27 2013 03:27 Kaitlin wrote:
Uh oh, one of the people who George called the police on was later arrested for burglary... Farv, that's what I meant, our society, not just Florida. I tend to think this trial is occurring because of public outcry, which is based on something other than actual evidence.
%100 true.
It's actually scarey that they can charge you with 2nd degree murder, put you away for the rest of your life with little to no evidence.
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On June 27 2013 03:25 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 03:21 Esk23 wrote:On June 27 2013 03:18 biology]major wrote:
How are these previous 911 calls supposed to help or hurt anyone's case. It's basically all speculation, I are confused. The proscecution is trying to say to the jury that George Zimmerman acted to well and nice in the previous phone calls that he had to have been upset and frustrated by the time the last one happened that he instigated the fight. In other words, the prosecution has no real reliable evidence and are pretty damn desperate. i dont think so. i think they are trying to show he is a racist. they cherry picked all of the black suspects. didnt he make like hundreds of calls previously? why are they only doing a sample of the black dudes...
He lives in a shitty neighborhood. Who is to say it is wrong to call in suspicious activity when break-ins is the norm? I would be doing the same thing if I had to protect my home. He never makes racists comments, you cannot call him a racist.
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Oh lawd, this gonn' be good. Popcorn on the hob.
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On June 27 2013 03:29 jeremycafe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 03:25 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 27 2013 03:21 Esk23 wrote:On June 27 2013 03:18 biology]major wrote:
How are these previous 911 calls supposed to help or hurt anyone's case. It's basically all speculation, I are confused. The proscecution is trying to say to the jury that George Zimmerman acted to well and nice in the previous phone calls that he had to have been upset and frustrated by the time the last one happened that he instigated the fight. In other words, the prosecution has no real reliable evidence and are pretty damn desperate. i dont think so. i think they are trying to show he is a racist. they cherry picked all of the black suspects. didnt he make like hundreds of calls previously? why are they only doing a sample of the black dudes... He lives in a shitty neighborhood. Who is to say it is wrong to call in suspicious activity when break-ins is the norm? I would be doing the same thing if I had to protect my home. He never makes racists comments, you cannot call him a racist.
People in their ivory towers who don't actually have to put up with that shit won't ever understand.
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12th grade? Isn't she like 20?
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On June 27 2013 03:27 Kaitlin wrote:
Uh oh, one of the people who George called the police on was later arrested for burglary... Farv, that's what I meant, our society, not just Florida. I tend to think this trial is occurring because of public outcry, which is based on something other than actual evidence.
You may be right, but I am just as likely to believe that a lot of this case's hullabaloo is directly related to the poor state of governance/law in the state of Florida. The police, the courts, and the DA have all played their part in the tomfoolery associated with public outcry.
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On June 27 2013 03:29 Masq wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 03:25 Esk23 wrote:On June 27 2013 03:16 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 27 2013 03:14 Esk23 wrote:On June 27 2013 03:09 Masq wrote:On June 27 2013 03:02 Esk23 wrote:
Cool, the witness ASSUMED Zimmerman was on top because she later saw images of the 12 year old Trayvon Martin pictures and assumed Zimmerman had to be the one on top because of the age difference. This is the prosecution's witness... LOL. Seeing as one of them was left laying on the ground and didn't get up, and the person on top stood up and walked away it's not much of an assumption to assume who was whom, according to her testimony. I'm sorry, I missed the part in her testimony when she said she saw the person on top get up after the shot was fired and walk away. Are you even listening/watching the video? she said that in the re-direct. the person on top walked away. Right. But she didn't actually see that. She assumed what happened based on pictures of Trayvon when he was 12 years old, that Trayvon was a small little 12 year old kid and George being in his late twenties had to have been the "bigger" one. She said she saw the bigger of the two on top. We know now that Trayvon was actually 17 and about 6'3". Two days ago, they showed video of Trayvon buying scittles and a drink standing next to the cashier who was 5'10" and he made the cashier look pretty small. While true, its sort of irrelevant to the point. Basically the 'bigger one' was on top, and got up after and walked about. The person on the bottom, didn't get up. What other information is needed? Discussing pictures and size is trivial if only one person ever got up.
What you're missing is that according to forensic evidence, the gun was shot from the bottom, not the top. So we know for a fact that George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin from the bottom not the top. Put the two together and the person who the witness says was on top had to have been Trayvon, unless the two struggled and took turns being on top, rolling about, etc.
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On June 27 2013 03:29 jeremycafe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 03:25 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 27 2013 03:21 Esk23 wrote:On June 27 2013 03:18 biology]major wrote:
How are these previous 911 calls supposed to help or hurt anyone's case. It's basically all speculation, I are confused. The proscecution is trying to say to the jury that George Zimmerman acted to well and nice in the previous phone calls that he had to have been upset and frustrated by the time the last one happened that he instigated the fight. In other words, the prosecution has no real reliable evidence and are pretty damn desperate. i dont think so. i think they are trying to show he is a racist. they cherry picked all of the black suspects. didnt he make like hundreds of calls previously? why are they only doing a sample of the black dudes... He lives in a shitty neighborhood. Who is to say it is wrong to call in suspicious activity when break-ins is the norm? I would be doing the same thing if I had to protect my home. He never makes racists comments, you cannot call him a racist.
Every time you phone the police on a suspicious black person, you should report one Asian and one White person too even if they aren't really suspicious.
For equality.
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On June 27 2013 03:29 Yorke wrote:
Oh lawd, this gonn' be good. Popcorn on the hob.
she is going to have serious attitude on cross. its going to be awesome.
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