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This is a sensitive and complex issue, please do not make comments without first reading the facts, which are cataloged in the OP.

If you make an uninformed post, or one that isn't relevant to the discussion, you will be moderated. If in doubt, don't post.
bugser
Profile Joined June 2013
61 Posts
June 26 2013 18:03 GMT
#2761
I thought she testified she didn't see the gunshot. She went and looked after the gunshot.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 26 2013 18:03 GMT
#2762
On June 27 2013 03:02 Kaitlin wrote:
Wait, did I just hear that the prosecution gets the last word, even on witness testimony ? I thought testimony always ended with cross, but I guess not, or maybe it's a Florida thing.

The proponent of the witness generally gets to ask the last question. The typical order is direct, cross, and re-direct. Sometimes there are additional rounds.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
June 26 2013 18:04 GMT
#2763
On June 27 2013 03:02 Kaitlin wrote:
Wait, did I just hear that the prosecution gets the last word, even on witness testimony ? I thought testimony always ended with cross, but I guess not, or maybe it's a Florida thing.

no, they get re-direct.
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
June 26 2013 18:05 GMT
#2764
On June 27 2013 03:03 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 03:02 Kaitlin wrote:
Wait, did I just hear that the prosecution gets the last word, even on witness testimony ? I thought testimony always ended with cross, but I guess not, or maybe it's a Florida thing.

The proponent of the witness generally gets to ask the last question. The typical order is direct, cross, and re-direct. Sometimes there are additional rounds.


I never realized that. I knew it worked like that with closing arguments, but thought cross always had the last word on witness testimony. I guess I learned something other than how full of shit prosecution can get today.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18846 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 18:07:00
June 26 2013 18:05 GMT
#2765
On June 27 2013 03:02 Kaitlin wrote:
Wait, did I just hear that the prosecution gets the last word, even on witness testimony ? I thought testimony always ended with cross, but I guess not, or maybe it's a Florida thing.

Prosecution gets the last word with their witnesses, the defense with their's.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Masq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1792 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 18:09:28
June 26 2013 18:09 GMT
#2766
On June 27 2013 03:02 Esk23 wrote:
Cool, the witness ASSUMED Zimmerman was on top because she later saw images of the 12 year old Trayvon Martin pictures and assumed Zimmerman had to be the one on top because of the age difference. This is the prosecution's witness... LOL.


Seeing as one of them was left laying on the ground and didn't get up, and the person on top stood up and walked away it's not much of an assumption to assume who was whom, according to her testimony.
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
June 26 2013 18:12 GMT
#2767
Playing these previous 911 calls will help GZ's case at least as much as it helps the prosecution. Interesting. This is like a game of T-ball with the defense up to bat. Prosecution just keeps putting the ball on the tee.
bugser
Profile Joined June 2013
61 Posts
June 26 2013 18:12 GMT
#2768
Zimmerman is only reporting black people. What could it mean?
Masq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1792 Posts
June 26 2013 18:14 GMT
#2769
On June 27 2013 03:12 bugser wrote:
Zimmerman is only reporting black people. What could it mean?


that only black people are suspicious, WHAT ELSE?
Esk23
Profile Joined July 2011
United States447 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 18:15:30
June 26 2013 18:14 GMT
#2770
On June 27 2013 03:09 Masq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 03:02 Esk23 wrote:
Cool, the witness ASSUMED Zimmerman was on top because she later saw images of the 12 year old Trayvon Martin pictures and assumed Zimmerman had to be the one on top because of the age difference. This is the prosecution's witness... LOL.


Seeing as one of them was left laying on the ground and didn't get up, and the person on top stood up and walked away it's not much of an assumption to assume who was whom, according to her testimony.


I'm sorry, I missed the part in her testimony when she said she saw the person on top get up after the shot was fired and walk away. Are you even listening/watching the video?
jeremycafe
Profile Joined March 2009
United States354 Posts
June 26 2013 18:15 GMT
#2771
On June 27 2013 03:09 Masq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 03:02 Esk23 wrote:
Cool, the witness ASSUMED Zimmerman was on top because she later saw images of the 12 year old Trayvon Martin pictures and assumed Zimmerman had to be the one on top because of the age difference. This is the prosecution's witness... LOL.


Seeing as one of them was left laying on the ground and didn't get up, and the person on top stood up and walked away it's not much of an assumption to assume who was whom, according to her testimony.


Yes it is. She never saw the shot, or the person get up. She is making the assumption that based on the shadow she saw, and the pictures she saw on tv after the fact, it was the same person that was originally on top.

She didn't see what happened. All she saw was "shadows". and based on that, she says she knows who was on top. Its a fucking circus.
Esk23
Profile Joined July 2011
United States447 Posts
June 26 2013 18:16 GMT
#2772
On June 27 2013 03:15 jeremycafe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 03:09 Masq wrote:
On June 27 2013 03:02 Esk23 wrote:
Cool, the witness ASSUMED Zimmerman was on top because she later saw images of the 12 year old Trayvon Martin pictures and assumed Zimmerman had to be the one on top because of the age difference. This is the prosecution's witness... LOL.


Seeing as one of them was left laying on the ground and didn't get up, and the person on top stood up and walked away it's not much of an assumption to assume who was whom, according to her testimony.


Yes it is. She never saw the shot, or the person get up. She is making the assumption that based on the shadow she saw, and the pictures she saw on tv after the fact, it was the same person that was originally on top.

She didn't see what happened. All she saw was "shadows". and based on that, she says she knows who was on top. Its a fucking circus.


Exactly.
jeremycafe
Profile Joined March 2009
United States354 Posts
June 26 2013 18:16 GMT
#2773
On June 27 2013 03:14 Esk23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 03:09 Masq wrote:
On June 27 2013 03:02 Esk23 wrote:
Cool, the witness ASSUMED Zimmerman was on top because she later saw images of the 12 year old Trayvon Martin pictures and assumed Zimmerman had to be the one on top because of the age difference. This is the prosecution's witness... LOL.


Seeing as one of them was left laying on the ground and didn't get up, and the person on top stood up and walked away it's not much of an assumption to assume who was whom, according to her testimony.


I'm sorry, I missed the part in her testimony when she said she saw the person on top get up after the shot was fired and walk away. Are you even listening/watching the video?


The last question, the state said "the person who was on top was the person who was walking around after, correct?" and she answered "yes".

She should have been arrested for perjury right there. She did not see the person get up, she cannot say that.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
June 26 2013 18:16 GMT
#2774
On June 27 2013 03:14 Esk23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 03:09 Masq wrote:
On June 27 2013 03:02 Esk23 wrote:
Cool, the witness ASSUMED Zimmerman was on top because she later saw images of the 12 year old Trayvon Martin pictures and assumed Zimmerman had to be the one on top because of the age difference. This is the prosecution's witness... LOL.


Seeing as one of them was left laying on the ground and didn't get up, and the person on top stood up and walked away it's not much of an assumption to assume who was whom, according to her testimony.


I'm sorry, I missed the part in her testimony when she said she saw the person on top get up after the shot was fired and walk away. Are you even listening/watching the video?

she said that in the re-direct. the person on top walked away.
bugser
Profile Joined June 2013
61 Posts
June 26 2013 18:18 GMT
#2775
On June 27 2013 03:16 jeremycafe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 03:14 Esk23 wrote:
On June 27 2013 03:09 Masq wrote:
On June 27 2013 03:02 Esk23 wrote:
Cool, the witness ASSUMED Zimmerman was on top because she later saw images of the 12 year old Trayvon Martin pictures and assumed Zimmerman had to be the one on top because of the age difference. This is the prosecution's witness... LOL.


Seeing as one of them was left laying on the ground and didn't get up, and the person on top stood up and walked away it's not much of an assumption to assume who was whom, according to her testimony.


I'm sorry, I missed the part in her testimony when she said she saw the person on top get up after the shot was fired and walk away. Are you even listening/watching the video?


The last question, the state said "the person who was on top was the person who was walking around after, correct?" and she answered "yes".

She should have been arrested for perjury right there. She did not see the person get up, she cannot say that.

And the judge didn't allow the defense to respond for some reason.

I don't understand why they weren't allowed to contradict that and clarify she wasn't watching the shot or who stood up.
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 18:19:30
June 26 2013 18:18 GMT
#2776
How are these previous 911 calls supposed to help or hurt anyone's case. It's basically all speculation, I are confused.
Question.?
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
June 26 2013 18:19 GMT
#2777
Usually when prosecution presents audio or video recordings, you expect it to be pretty damning. These 911 tapes ? Nothing more than a concerned citizen looking out for his neighbors. This is something the prosecution actually fought to get in. I'm just totally baffled by this ridiculousness. How stupid a society have we become ?
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
June 26 2013 18:19 GMT
#2778
On June 27 2013 03:18 bugser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 03:16 jeremycafe wrote:
On June 27 2013 03:14 Esk23 wrote:
On June 27 2013 03:09 Masq wrote:
On June 27 2013 03:02 Esk23 wrote:
Cool, the witness ASSUMED Zimmerman was on top because she later saw images of the 12 year old Trayvon Martin pictures and assumed Zimmerman had to be the one on top because of the age difference. This is the prosecution's witness... LOL.


Seeing as one of them was left laying on the ground and didn't get up, and the person on top stood up and walked away it's not much of an assumption to assume who was whom, according to her testimony.


I'm sorry, I missed the part in her testimony when she said she saw the person on top get up after the shot was fired and walk away. Are you even listening/watching the video?


The last question, the state said "the person who was on top was the person who was walking around after, correct?" and she answered "yes".

She should have been arrested for perjury right there. She did not see the person get up, she cannot say that.

And the judge didn't allow the defense to respond for some reason.

I don't understand why they weren't allowed to contradict that and clarify she wasn't watching the shot or who stood up.


Re-direct gets last word.
bugser
Profile Joined June 2013
61 Posts
June 26 2013 18:21 GMT
#2779
They're subtly trying to imply he is racist for calling the police on black people.
Esk23
Profile Joined July 2011
United States447 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 18:22:07
June 26 2013 18:21 GMT
#2780
On June 27 2013 03:18 biology]major wrote:
How are these previous 911 calls supposed to help or hurt anyone's case. It's basically all speculation, I are confused.


The proscecution is trying to say to the jury that George Zimmerman acted to well and nice in the previous phone calls that he had to have been upset and frustrated by the time the last one happened that he instigated the fight.

In other words, the prosecution has no real reliable evidence and are pretty damn desperate.
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