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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23293 Posts
On December 07 2019 17:10 Danglars wrote: GH The al-Baghdadi IS recruitment among middle class Muslims in stable Western democracies is my first retort against a sort of lack of "wealthy, well-adjusted terrorists" but I'd be getting hopelessly off topic and I don't have a strong view one way or another on related questions. That's more akin to army recruitment than terrorism imo. | ||
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Kreuger
Sweden755 Posts
Current status at #NewJersey: 2 separate scenes 1 at a local store and 1 at a local cemetery Multiple schools on lockdown A U-Haul Truck being treated as "hot" ATF, Local, State, FBI all working the scene At least 1 officer has been shot Multiple victims inside the store https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/active-shooter-jersey-city-new-jersey/index.html | ||
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Ryzel
United States529 Posts
No need to fear, Republicans have your prayer needs covered! Also, before Republicans get their panties in a bunch, calm down its just a joke lol | ||
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Sermokala
United States13984 Posts
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
the american logic | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On December 11 2019 05:21 Sermokala wrote: Don't worry everyone its a joke it can't possibly be offensive if its a joke. You can't possibly object to anything I say if I say it was intended for humor. Strange how more doesn't get done on this issue after identifying people as the butt end of the jokes every single fucking time. Let's fix gun control in this country, but remember that you're the problem and also subhumans that haha use thoughts and prayers in place of legislation. Just kidding! I harp on this topic a bit too much already but it's damn important. If the debate bus has already left town, and some percentage of the population is in agreement that this other section of the country are the evil enemy that must be defeated for gun control to work, by all means carry on. You've already written them off and it makes perfect sense to pay them no mind. If, however, you need to persuade allies in the fight, the absolute worst thing to do is to mock people that show empathy with a semi-religious flavor. The resulting perspective is not to marshal the sources, investigate the statistics, and come prepared to hash out regulations added or removed, because these people on the other side are simply gun control zealots that despise you and your shows of empathy. They only affect to care about whether their ideas are right, workable, and narrowly tailored. They can't be trusted to respect your rights. And for good measure, my sympathies and prayers go out to the friends and families affected by this tragedy. I'll comment more after additional details are reported, but all I'm seeing right now is handguns and long guns of some kind. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On December 11 2019 08:57 JimmiC wrote: An impassioned way over dramatic the true victims of this is Danglars and the people like him who the big mean gun control advocates want them to part of the responsibility of gun ownership which requires laws and restrictions and isn't appreciating how important it is to argue about the definition of an assault rifle instead of worrying about making it a shit ton harder to buy a gun in America. Because clearly there is an issue of way to many Mass shootings or Minor shootings depending on your chosen definition. And if the republicans wanted any kind of gun control, what ever they thought was reasonable it would pass. They have control and Dems are not going to vote against tighter rules of any kind. It's nothing more than concern trolling mixed with trying to paint yourself as a victim instead of all the people getting shot. Remember, the way you show you care about all the people getting shot is to make fun of people offering thoughts and prayers. And if anyone isn't on board with it, say they're playing the victim, or concern trolling. It's formulaic from start to finish. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7339 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On December 11 2019 10:57 JimmiC wrote: They are empty when it is the people offering them instead of offering change that they have the power to make. I don't crack jokes about because I'm not trying to make how gross it is more palatable. Thoughts and prayers are meant for those who wish they could do more but can't because they are being stopped by a group of people. Not for the group of people stopping the change. I can only feel pity for those who are forced to joke about or demean genuine empathy, because they refuse to accept these offerings from people not fully on board with the political policy preferences they favor. It's the real psychopathy present in this debate. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44563 Posts
On December 11 2019 05:03 Kreuger wrote: New Jersey today , ongoing situation https://twitter.com/Glivenews/status/1204491049428824065 Current status at #NewJersey: 2 separate scenes 1 at a local store and 1 at a local cemetery Multiple schools on lockdown A U-Haul Truck being treated as "hot" ATF, Local, State, FBI all working the scene At least 1 officer has been shot Multiple victims inside the store https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/active-shooter-jersey-city-new-jersey/index.html I live and teach in NJ, and some of my friends and former colleagues teach in Jersey City. Their schools were on lockdown nearly the entire day; they weren't allowed to leave. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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meiji_emperor
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The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. Of the people injured or killed today in NJ, which ones were the tyrants and which ones the patriots? | ||
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Simberto
Germany11551 Posts
I find it very strange how Danglars demands that everyone cater to republicans to get them "on board", while they have clearly demonstrated that they will oppose every single piece of gun control anyone can think about. Never generally because they oppose any gun control, of course. They always have some minor gripe so they can say "of course, gun control, but not THIS gun control", and they never propose anything of their own. The fact of the matter is that in this case, they ARE the enemy. Republicans are completely fine with the status quo. They have no problem with the fact that a lot of people die to gun every year. They have no problem with the fact that a smaller a lot of people die randomly in mass shootings every year. They have no problem with the fact that there is a mass shooting pretty much every day, and that we have a nearly 900 page thread here since 2012 about this problem (and that was not when this shit started either, it has been going on for a LONG time). In all of this time, they have proposed zero solutions to this problem, and opposed any solution someone else proposed. This, and the fact that they have enough power to stop anything from happening, leads to the frustrated jokes like the one above. Yet Danglars still demands that if we tried just a bit harder, talked just a bit nicer to them, made a proposal which is slightly more palatable to them, then the republican gun nuts would get on board, help us solve this problem instead of constantly opposing everything, and do anything at all except "thoughts and prayers". If you don't want to be the butt end of jokes, do something. But don't expect people to buy into your fiction forever. You don't want any gun control. And you are too cowardly to say that you are fine with all of these deaths being the societal price of you owning a gun. But everyone else does not need to believe you. Actions speak louder than words, and your actions clearly say "thoughts and prayers, but no action, ever" | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On December 11 2019 19:53 Simberto wrote: Indeed. I find it very strange how Danglars demands that everyone cater to republicans to get them "on board", while they have clearly demonstrated that they will oppose every single piece of gun control anyone can think about. Never generally because they oppose any gun control, of course. They always have some minor gripe so they can say "of course, gun control, but not THIS gun control", and they never propose anything of their own. The fact of the matter is that in this case, they ARE the enemy. Republicans are completely fine with the status quo. They have no problem with the fact that a lot of people die to gun every year. They have no problem with the fact that a smaller a lot of people die randomly in mass shootings every year. They have no problem with the fact that there is a mass shooting pretty much every day, and that we have a nearly 900 page thread here since 2012 about this problem (and that was not when this shit started either, it has been going on for a LONG time). In all of this time, they have proposed zero solutions to this problem, and opposed any solution someone else proposed. This, and the fact that they have enough power to stop anything from happening, leads to the frustrated jokes like the one above. Yet Danglars still demands that if we tried just a bit harder, talked just a bit nicer to them, made a proposal which is slightly more palatable to them, then the republican gun nuts would get on board, help us solve this problem instead of constantly opposing everything, and do anything at all except "thoughts and prayers". If you don't want to be the butt end of jokes, do something. But don't expect people to buy into your fiction forever. You don't want any gun control. And you are too cowardly to say that you are fine with all of these deaths being the societal price of you owning a gun. But everyone else does not need to believe you. Actions speak louder than words, and your actions clearly say "thoughts and prayers, but no action, ever" Danglars and those that share his views are the epitome of fragile, egocentric privilege. He demands that we jump through hoops of fire to accommodate his viewpoints and his feelings while doing absolutely nothing to compromise or do the same to his political opponents. This is why you are the butt end of jokes, Danglars. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On December 11 2019 19:53 Simberto wrote: Indeed. I find it very strange how Danglars demands that everyone cater to republicans to get them "on board", while they have clearly demonstrated that they will oppose every single piece of gun control anyone can think about. Never generally because they oppose any gun control, of course. They always have some minor gripe so they can say "of course, gun control, but not THIS gun control", and they never propose anything of their own. The fact of the matter is that in this case, they ARE the enemy. Republicans are completely fine with the status quo. They have no problem with the fact that a lot of people die to gun every year. They have no problem with the fact that a smaller a lot of people die randomly in mass shootings every year. They have no problem with the fact that there is a mass shooting pretty much every day, and that we have a nearly 900 page thread here since 2012 about this problem (and that was not when this shit started either, it has been going on for a LONG time). In all of this time, they have proposed zero solutions to this problem, and opposed any solution someone else proposed. This, and the fact that they have enough power to stop anything from happening, leads to the frustrated jokes like the one above.
I was expecting to find agreement when I posted it. Yet Danglars still demands that if we tried just a bit harder, talked just a bit nicer to them, made a proposal which is slightly more palatable to them, then the republican gun nuts would get on board, help us solve this problem instead of constantly opposing everything, and do anything at all except "thoughts and prayers". If you don't want to be the butt end of jokes, do something. But don't expect people to buy into your fiction forever. You don't want any gun control. And you are too cowardly to say that you are fine with all of these deaths being the societal price of you owning a gun. But everyone else does not need to believe you. Actions speak louder than words, and your actions clearly say "thoughts and prayers, but no action, ever" I'm not the best writer in these parts, so apologies if I let on that thinking Republicans are the evil enemy wouldn't be justified by the ideology of the people holding that opinion. That's always Plan A: No, no they're actually evil and I can prove it. The mirror image people that think Democrats don't really care about the victims of mass shooting based on the totally ineffective and counter-productive gun control measures they already support, conclude Dems just want to take your guns. They're evil, they're uncaring, and would still cheer at higher gun deaths provided gun controls continued to be tightened. The 2020 presidential candidates Beto O'Rourke wasn't extreme about wanting to take your guns, he was just too honest about an opinion everyone else is smart enough to hide for electoral success. If you don't want to be the butt end of jokes, do something. Gun control proponents, following the legislative strategy of Monty Python: "Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time!" Let me reiterate, this is found in the top 10 ways to make sure nothing ever gets done on gun control: "fuck your empathy, you hypocrites, now go prove to me you're not the subhuman uncaring scum I just called you!" | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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