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nothingmuch
Profile Joined March 2015
448 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-18 15:57:52
May 18 2018 15:56 GMT
#14021
On May 19 2018 00:42 TRAP[yoo] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2018 00:35 Thomasmarkle wrote:
Unfortunate news of a school shooting in Santa Fe, Texas (just southeast of Houston). Multiple fatalities. So far it sounds like someone pulled a fire alarm again to draw people out of classes.

i guess its time to get rid of all fire alarms?


No dude, you just get a (heavily armed) fireman in each school/public building that constantly checks everyone for fire alarm pulling capabilities/flammable material and shoots them if necessary. For freedom.+ Show Spoiler +
or if they're black


User was temp banned for this post.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9834 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-18 16:49:15
May 18 2018 16:05 GMT
#14022
Ignore this
RIP Meatloaf <3
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 18 2018 17:06 GMT
#14023


This is what 20 years of doing nothing gets us. Kids who tell us that it is only matter of time before someone tries kill them while they go to school.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
May 18 2018 17:11 GMT
#14024
As much as I agree with the idea that changes should be made in this regard and as much as I believe the US could learn something from the rest of the western world in this regard: I consider the above interview happening in the first place completely fucked up.

Have some basic integrity and decency as both a journalist and a human being and leave victims alone.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 18 2018 17:20 GMT
#14025
I think that is a bit unfair to the journalist. If FL has taught us anything, most high school kids are not staying quite about this issue and are very willing to talk to journalist about it. Unless some story comes out that he harassed this girl until she agreed to be interviewed, I'm going take it on good faith that she wanted to speak her mind.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
May 18 2018 17:39 GMT
#14026
On May 19 2018 02:11 r.Evo wrote:
As much as I agree with the idea that changes should be made in this regard and as much as I believe the US could learn something from the rest of the western world in this regard: I consider the above interview happening in the first place completely fucked up.

Have some basic integrity and decency as both a journalist and a human being and leave victims alone.

Come on it just happened. Let them go home and spend the day/night with their families. Interview cops and government officials.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1935 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-18 17:48:41
May 18 2018 17:48 GMT
#14027
I read an article in Norwegian about how the school shooters in the states inspire each other, similar to how "The sorrows of young Werther" by Goethe inspired young men unhappily in love.

en.wikipedia.org

If this holds true, the most efficient method to make these horrible events happen again is to make them extremely visible in the media. Some shooters have even became media "heroes" as their videos have gone viral.

I am all for gun control and spending resources on finding potential shooters before they act, but this problem requires a long battle on many fronts!
Buff the siegetank
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 18 2018 17:51 GMT
#14028
I am waiting for the sad story about how there were clear signs that the shooter was going to do what he did, but the school and law enforcement lacked the tools and legal authority to take action to prevent it.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
May 18 2018 17:57 GMT
#14029
On May 19 2018 02:51 Plansix wrote:
I am waiting for the sad story about how there were clear signs that the shooter was going to do what he did, but the school and law enforcement lacked the tools and legal authority to take action to prevent it.


There are apparently rumors of posts he made on 4chan leading up to today that said he would be doing this.
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 18 2018 20:54 GMT
#14030


On one hand “yay...” fewer deaths of service members. On the other hand, this is completely unacceptable.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12449 Posts
May 18 2018 21:07 GMT
#14031
On May 19 2018 02:48 Slydie wrote:
I read an article in Norwegian about how the school shooters in the states inspire each other, similar to how "The sorrows of young Werther" by Goethe inspired young men unhappily in love.

en.wikipedia.org

If this holds true, the most efficient method to make these horrible events happen again is to make them extremely visible in the media. Some shooters have even became media "heroes" as their videos have gone viral.

I am all for gun control and spending resources on finding potential shooters before they act, but this problem requires a long battle on many fronts!


The main issue is and should remain gun control. But if we're going to look at secondary issues I'd look at the whole white supremacist/nazi thing before I look at media coverage. Just a thought.
No will to live, no wish to die
fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
May 18 2018 21:45 GMT
#14032
On May 19 2018 02:11 r.Evo wrote:
As much as I agree with the idea that changes should be made in this regard and as much as I believe the US could learn something from the rest of the western world in this regard: I consider the above interview happening in the first place completely fucked up.

Have some basic integrity and decency as both a journalist and a human being and leave victims alone.


Excuse me while I dress my tinfoil-hat:

Unfortunely, it seems like the media, in general, doesn't care. Actually, as fucked up as it may sound, one can even believe the media loves when some tragedy happens, as it gets them more viewership, eventually more revenue, etc etc. And along with that, they (the media), in general, pose as paladins of the justice and light, "seeking for the truth, never wrongdoing". Of course this tinfoil-hat crazy conspiracy theory doesn't apply to all the media, nor to all the coverages of one particular media channel.
"When the geyser died, a probe came out" - SirJolt
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 18 2018 21:51 GMT
#14033
I would argue that reporters and journalists in the field want to keep the public informed and the owners/shareholders of the networks know that events like this drive viewership. But viewership does not = $$$ instantly. They make long term advertising deals, so consistent viewership is far more marketable.

Now, the youtube "hot take on today's events" video market is a different story.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Jan1997
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
Norway671 Posts
May 18 2018 21:56 GMT
#14034
I don't know much about this but isn't Texas one of those places where teachers are armed?

They could've just killed the fucker as fast as they saw him.
Do something today that your future self will be thankful for.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45672 Posts
May 18 2018 22:05 GMT
#14035
On May 19 2018 06:56 Jan1997 wrote:
I don't know much about this but isn't Texas one of those places where teachers are armed?

They could've just killed the fucker as fast as they saw him.


Yes, many schools in Texas have teachers who are armed with guns. I don't know if this Santa Fe school is one of them though, but I'm sure we'll have the opportunity to see what happens in such a scenario soon enough
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45672 Posts
May 18 2018 22:24 GMT
#14036
On May 19 2018 06:45 fabiano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2018 02:11 r.Evo wrote:
As much as I agree with the idea that changes should be made in this regard and as much as I believe the US could learn something from the rest of the western world in this regard: I consider the above interview happening in the first place completely fucked up.

Have some basic integrity and decency as both a journalist and a human being and leave victims alone.


Excuse me while I dress my tinfoil-hat:

Unfortunely, it seems like the media, in general, doesn't care. Actually, as fucked up as it may sound, one can even believe the media loves when some tragedy happens, as it gets them more viewership, eventually more revenue, etc etc. And along with that, they (the media), in general, pose as paladins of the justice and light, "seeking for the truth, never wrongdoing". Of course this tinfoil-hat crazy conspiracy theory doesn't apply to all the media, nor to all the coverages of one particular media channel.


On one hand, it's the media's job to keep us informed of important events, even those that are soul-crushing, so that we can be aware, educated, and ideally react accordingly. On the other hand, it may create fearmongering, normalization, and a platform for other people who are considering committing a similar crime. Journalists and news reporters are often damned if they do talk about crime and tragedy and damned if they don't, because there's simply no way to ensure all of the positives without risking the negatives.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45672 Posts
May 18 2018 23:08 GMT
#14037
I just watched a video where Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick suggested schools should have fewer entrances in order to prevent mass shootings, as a response to today's shooting.

What the fuck. Bottleneck the students even more, so that more of them are around a shooter? Not to mention the fact that it's such a fire/ safety hazard, it's literally illegal.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Aveng3r
Profile Joined February 2012
United States2411 Posts
May 18 2018 23:10 GMT
#14038
Its kind of telling that this thread only gets like 20 posts for the latest shooting. Its almost so routine now that nobody is even surprised anymore.

Fuck this.
I carve marble busts of assassinated world leaders - PM for a quote
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12449 Posts
May 18 2018 23:21 GMT
#14039
On May 19 2018 08:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I just watched a video where Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick suggested schools should have fewer entrances in order to prevent mass shootings, as a response to today's shooting.

What the fuck. Bottleneck the students even more, so that more of them are around a shooter? Not to mention the fact that it's such a fire/ safety hazard, it's literally illegal.


His idea was that we put Good Guys With Guns (TM) at the few entrances left and poof, safety.
No will to live, no wish to die
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
May 18 2018 23:36 GMT
#14040
On May 19 2018 08:10 Aveng3r wrote:
Its kind of telling that this thread only gets like 20 posts for the latest shooting. Its almost so routine now that nobody is even surprised anymore.

Fuck this.

I'd prefer the majority of posts happen after a breathing period and once more facts have come out. I don't find it any more substantial to hear sentiments akin to "thoughts and prayers" or "#NeverAgain" or gun control or armed teachers in greater quantity.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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