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On January 14 2013 13:47 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 02:21 redviper wrote:
While I am happy that the story is finished and I feel that it probably finished in the same way as Jordan intended, Sanderson really has no talent at all for endings. Every single fucking time its the same damn thing. I hope he doesn't fuck way of kings like he did wheel of time (and mistborn and warbreaker), the first book was very interesting. The only time sanderson has written a passable ending was Elantris and even that was a mess.
What the heck was the point of Gawyn, Galad, Logain and Lan all going one after another to kill Demandred. Where in the world did that magical weave to counter balefire came from. How did Olver survive when the trollocs reached for him and started to tear his clothes? (Also wtf is with that part). Why (if it was the original intent) did Moridin have to stab himself in the hand to cause Rand to drop Callandor.
And this is why I hate Sanderson. Plus he didn't even try to write in the style of Jordan. Disappointed with the last 3, but over all happy that its finished.
Now for Song of Ice and Fire. A majority opinion would be that you have a different taste than most people. 1. Sanderson wrote the ending RJ wanted, I think it would have been better if Sanderson re-wrote the ending, or at least majorly edited it (WoT needs major major editing) 2. 99% of fans prefer The Gathering Storm, Towers of Midnight, and AMoL. Books 8-11 were, for the most part, considered a death blow to the series where vast section of it were no important story happening. Book 10 is one of the lowest ever reviewed major fantasy books. http://www.amazon.com/Crossroads-Twilight-Wheel-Time-Book/product-reviews/0812571339Had RJ finished the last 3 books, I think the series would have been dead to a lot of people.
Firstly, I love it when people post their subjective opinion as the majority's opinion and quote a ridiculous number like 99%. 99% seriously?
All 3 of Sanderson's books (actually all of his books) are way too badly written. Perhaps the children who have no appreciation of writing like his action packed, god focused bullshit, but adults probably don't. Infact let me be ridiculous like you and say 99% of adults with an education don't like Sanderson.
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Whether or not everyone thinks the series ended badly, I thought Sanderson did a good job considering the circumstances. I've been reading these books year after year, re-reading the entire series each time a new one came out. I began reading when I was in 3rd grade, and now I'm in college, and I can easily say that I'm just sorry the series ended. Props to Jordan and Sanderson for creating an amazing series.
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I thought all the characters that died off was necessary, though I did think Lan should have died while battling Demandred. Egewne's moment with the anti-balefire was sweeet, and her death was well done. With Rand in the Epilogue... so he cant channel... but can use magic? My first thought was that it was like the World of Dreams, where you can simply imagine things and they are the way you imagine it. Anyone have any other thoughts? Also... Mat was a complete badass, and I wish there was a spinoff series with him and Tuon.
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I have occasionaly had this book recommend to me, is it similar to A Song of Ice and Fire?
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Hey guys, gonna finish up the malazan book of the fallen stuff around the end of this month, can someone tell me with what to start in this series? amazon link is appreciated :D
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Google? Wikipedia?
The first book is called The Eye of the World. It's not similar to A Song of Ice and Fire at all, more like a mix of Middle-earth and the Malazan universe I'd say (but not really similar to those either). 
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On January 16 2013 05:27 aloT wrote:
I have occasionaly had this book recommend to me, is it similar to A Song of Ice and Fire?
No.
Wheel of Time is oldschool black/white fantasy with lots of magic and shit. Contrary to GRRM, Jordan doesn't kill of a lot of characters.
On January 16 2013 06:35 {ToT}ColmA wrote:
Hey guys, gonna finish up the malazan book of the fallen stuff around the end of this month, can someone tell me with what to start in this series? amazon link is appreciated :D
Starting with Eye of the World is advisable. There is a prequel called A New Spring which you can read right before or after The Fires of Heaven.
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On January 15 2013 12:29 brobrah wrote:
I am the 1%.
LOL
Well played my good sir, well played. Was it worth it? I still need to read 2 more books before I try and tackle the last one.
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On January 16 2013 10:52 Kaidaten1234 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 06:35 {ToT}ColmA wrote:
Hey guys, gonna finish up the malazan book of the fallen stuff around the end of this month, can someone tell me with what to start in this series? amazon link is appreciated :D There is a prequel called A New Spring which you can read right before or after The Fires of Heaven.
You should wait until at least after A Crown of Swords, which contains the first introduction of a character that features in New Spring (not "A New Spring"), and of which you're not supposed to know anything at the time.
It was published between books 10 and 11, actually, so if you want the canonical order of reading that would be the way to go.
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On January 16 2013 02:07 Premier wrote:+ Show Spoiler +My first thought was that it was like the World of Dreams, where you can simply imagine things and they are the way you imagine it. Anyone have any other thoughts? Also... Mat was a complete badass, and I wish there was a spinoff series with him and Tuon.
+ Show Spoiler +I've heard unconfirmed rumors that there is a self-lighting pipe ter'angreal in the stash that the supergirls find in Ebou Dar in book 7 or 8, but I can't remember any such thing myself, nor can I be bothered to check right now.
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On January 17 2013 01:49 TheBB wrote:
You should wait until at least after A Crown of Swords, which contains the first introduction of a character that features in New Spring (not "A New Spring"), and of which you're not supposed to know anything at the time.
It was published between books 10 and 11, actually, so if you want the canonical order of reading that would be the way to go.
The character whom I think you are referring to is mentioned as early as book 2 or 3 if I recall correctly and we get a proper introduction in New Spring as well. As long he/she avoid the KoD prologue and doesn't read it before EoTW (and arguably TGH), it's fine.
The reason why I suggested reading it before or right after TFoH is because who the main characters in New Spring are and events in TFoH.
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On January 17 2013 06:32 Kaidaten1234 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 01:49 TheBB wrote:
You should wait until at least after A Crown of Swords, which contains the first introduction of a character that features in New Spring (not "A New Spring"), and of which you're not supposed to know anything at the time.
It was published between books 10 and 11, actually, so if you want the canonical order of reading that would be the way to go. The character whom I think you are referring to is mentioned as early as book 2 or 3 if I recall correctly
Pretty sure this is not true. If so, these guys have glossed over it.
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I just finished the last book and I'm sad, I was accostumed to wait for the next book QQ
Jordan rest in peace
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I haven't read any of these, but I have enjoyed reading about people's experiences of reading this series, when they gave up etc. Stuff like that.
To clarify, is the experience, like say, watching Battlestar Galactica where the first half of the first series is really good, but it is all down hill from there and while there is just enough to keep you going you are only really watching it out of habit, and not really giving a shit who the final cylons are, or about how corny and absurd it has become?
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On January 18 2013 08:21 teapot wrote:
I haven't read any of these, but I have enjoyed reading about people's experiences of reading this series, when they gave up etc. Stuff like that.
To clarify, is the experience, like say, watching Battlestar Galactica where the first half of the first series is really good, but it is all down hill from there and while there is just enough to keep you going you are only really watching it out of habit, and not really giving a shit who the final cylons are, or about how corny and absurd it has become?
Not really, IMO. The patch between 8-10 is a little rough, but after that it improves and by the end it was almost as good as when it began.
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On January 18 2013 08:56 mierin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 08:21 teapot wrote:
I haven't read any of these, but I have enjoyed reading about people's experiences of reading this series, when they gave up etc. Stuff like that.
To clarify, is the experience, like say, watching Battlestar Galactica where the first half of the first series is really good, but it is all down hill from there and while there is just enough to keep you going you are only really watching it out of habit, and not really giving a shit who the final cylons are, or about how corny and absurd it has become? Not really, IMO. The patch between 8-10 is a little rough, but after that it improves and by the end it was almost as good as when it began.
I actually had no trouble with 8-10, so I was quite surprised to hear people giving up around this point or describing it as a rough patch. But looking back on it now I can definitely see what people mean. I can agree, though, that everything after 10 was really good, almost as good as the first few were for me.
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meh, the patch of 8-10 was only "bad" * I enjoyed them personally* because people were waiting for the books, If one were to start the series now, it wouldn't be anywhere near as bad I think.
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On January 18 2013 09:12 Sunaj wrote:
meh, the patch of 8-10 was only "bad" * I enjoyed them personally* because people were waiting for the books, If one were to start the series now, it wouldn't be anywhere near as bad I think.
I actually disagree, haha. I think if I had been waiting for them and had only one to read I would be ok with it. But since I was playing "catch-up" and had 8-10 to read all in a row, with no break...it was killing me to get through them.
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I think I read the first book about 6 years ago. Glad to finally finish it. Gotta thank Sanderson for taking up the mantle and finishing a great series.
+ Show Spoiler +I still wish Rand hadn't destroyed the Choedan Kal and still don't really understand the reasoning for doing so. With that kind of power he could have pimpslapped the armies of the shadow back to the 18th layer of hell and made things a lot easier for everyone.
Ending felt a tad rushed to me. I knew that there would be pretty much no plot progression for 800 pages with the author trying to cram the resolution into the last 100/50 pages, and alas that's what happened. I wanted to know what else happened to Rand after the battle, his schools, Tuon meeting Artur. What went on in Shara after the battle? What about the Land of Madmen? What happened to Moiraine?
Overall though I'm sure there is plenty to nitpick, especially with the channeller numbers & what not, but the series itself was enjoyable. The Cleansing of Saidin is still one of the coolest things I've ever read. Now I'm just waiting on a Song of Ice and Fire to finish.
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On April 09 2003 00:57 badteeth wrote:
not yet, waiting for pdf on kazaa.
Kazaa, boy that really brings back memories!
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