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Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-15 02:53:42
December 22 2011 14:34 GMT
#381
Most of my friends opinions mirror the ones voiced here: The first 5-6 Books are awesome, then Jordan loses himself in his bazillion side plots and gets back to his awesome, more streamlined storytelling mode only by book 10(11?). Books 7-10 are very slow when it comes to the main plot (Rebel Aes Sedai/Egwene storyline took ages to start rolling, turned out awesome though )

I was very pleased with Sandersons writing so far, last one will be epic.
11 years and counting- TL #680
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18199 Posts
December 22 2011 16:31 GMT
#382
I haven't read Sanderson's books yet, but have started rereading them all in preparation: I should be about at the end when A Memory of Light is published
Maginor
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway505 Posts
December 22 2011 17:36 GMT
#383
On December 22 2011 22:58 drumsetjunky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2011 22:50 riddi wrote:
On December 22 2011 22:32 HotShizz wrote:
On December 22 2011 22:03 aebriol wrote:
weird as it is, the first 5 or 6 books are great, the rest sort of blended together in a 'not worthwhile at all' sort of fashion, but the ending looks like it might be good.

While it's always sad when someone you know of dies, I think the series would never have finished if Jordan had livet ... he just kept dragging it on and on and on and on and on and ... yeah.


To be fair the "last book" Sanderson was supposed to write turned into a trilogy :S , not so sure it made a big difference... I like Sanderson, but I wish Jordan could have finished it, and also for his family I am sure it would be better too...


Also wish Jordan couldve finished it, and cant help feeling that Sanderson made the last book into a trilogy for profit reasons rather than story, but hey. I wish hed hurry up and finish it though!

Also agree with the statement that books 8, 9, 10 etc for me did drag on abit, were not so interesting etc, but as a whole i still absolutely love this series.

Also the last books that Sanderson has written really do read (to me at least) asif its still Jordan, so well done to him.



The choice to make the last book a trilogy had already been considered and discussed by Mr. Jordan in private conversations with his wife and TOR.

Sanderson had no part in that decision. Basically, he's just there for the day to day choices on wording, syntax, and style.


It had not been discussed with Jordan, who insisted that a Memory of Light should be one book. It was Sanderson who wanted to do it in three books (initially in two), and Harriet and the publisher agreed. It was probably the right call, or the book would be too big and too crammed. He also has a pretty big influence on the story since not everything was planned out by Jordan in detail. Of course, the main events are planned by Jordan, but not all the transitions between the events or the resolutions of minor plot elements.
Mindor
Profile Joined December 2011
169 Posts
December 22 2011 23:03 GMT
#384
It's kind of awesome finding hidden little threads like this on the TL forum.
My brother got the first 5 or 6 books as a Christmas present a couple of years back and we finished them in less than 11 days. After that I didn't like them as much - when the story got too horizontal and with the gazillion different side stories, it only progressed like a week per book. Also, I'm the kind of person to get myself invested in a storyline and I absolutely hate when it just cuts off and I have to go back in time and relive the same week from someone else's POV.

+ Show Spoiler +
Basically now I just want to read the rest of it for Mat...I haven't really liked Rand from the beginning (Really, all those girls falling over themselves to be with a man that was pretty much dead since he started channeling is ridiculous. Then when he was finally cured, he lost an arm for being a stubborn bitch and for being lost in his own superiority complex. Wouldn't exactly want to make me consider sharing my man with other girls...) Plus, I'd totally ship Birgitte with Elayne if she wasn't married to Rand...who am I kindding, I still absolutely do.
Perrin's just been a giant pussy since he met Faile which wouldn't be that bad, but his emo moping was kind of pathetic while Faile was kidnapped. As the wolf-guy, I'd have expected more rage and guts and blood from him. Now that I'm thinking about it, I hate pretty much every romantic notion in the books. Jordan just doesn't seem to get them...Lan and Nyneave are also kind of weird together, Egwene and Gawyn are downright creepy with the dreams and don't even get me started on Loial and his wife-to-be.
So yeah, mostly I'm just interested in Mat (and rooting for him to grow some balls for all of the male characters in the books and bitchslap Tuon into next week) and the Aes Sedai. Cutting the love-stuff, the books number 5 and up would have been a lot easier to read - for me at least - but other than that I really enjoyed them.
Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
December 22 2011 23:12 GMT
#385
OMG. The last book is done?

Will I finally have a chance to finish the series I fell in love with all those years ago? I can't hardly believe it.
When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love.
nikj
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada669 Posts
December 22 2011 23:25 GMT
#386
Just saw that Sanderson finished the last book, though it still has 6 months+ revisions to go through. I think I will start re-reading the books once I finish Palahniuk's Survivor.

In anticipation for these books I read a little of Sanderson to see if I liked his style. I really enjoyed the Mistborn Trilogy, and would encourage others to read it if they get a chance.
Y'know sometimes people ask me y'know like "What's your religion and stuff?" And I'm like "y' know it's like RTS." Uh, and they're like, "What's that?" And I'm like, "Y'know it's kinda like, kinda like Buddism."
UndoneJin
Profile Joined February 2011
United States438 Posts
December 23 2011 00:08 GMT
#387
I really do need closure to this series, it's captivating but it's gone on long enough. Should be good I'm excited =D
I've been lost since the day I was born ----- You're gonna carry that weight
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14900 Posts
December 23 2011 00:12 GMT
#388
WHOAMG FINALLY
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18199 Posts
December 23 2011 16:47 GMT
#389
On December 23 2011 08:25 nikj wrote:
Just saw that Sanderson finished the last book, though it still has 6 months+ revisions to go through. I think I will start re-reading the books once I finish Palahniuk's Survivor.

In anticipation for these books I read a little of Sanderson to see if I liked his style. I really enjoyed the Mistborn Trilogy, and would encourage others to read it if they get a chance.

Agreed that the Mistborn trilogy is absolutely badass. Actually all of Sanderson's universes have a very creative, yet coherent, treatment of magic which is just plain awesome to see.
Shiladie
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1631 Posts
December 23 2011 18:38 GMT
#390
I can't wait, I started reading this series back when I was in grade 8, finally getting to read the last battle happening will be such a relief!
+ Show Spoiler +

I'm really curious about what they do with the future of the world, and whether they go the route that was in the visions or not
+ Show Spoiler +

Where the Seanchan have taken over everything and the Aiel are nothing but desert rats

I really enjoyed what they did with the Mat storyline, capping off each of his big stories by the end of the most recent book. He's always been my favorite character by far in these stories.
Nesto
Profile Joined November 2009
Switzerland1318 Posts
December 23 2011 20:33 GMT
#391
Hell yes, finally! I read the whole series 3 times already and can't wait for the conclusion! =)

Also can't wait for Sanderson to be able to continue his Stormlight Archive Series, which is my next big hope for fantasy of truly epic proportions on the Jordan / Martin / Erikson level !
Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-08 23:42:50
January 08 2012 23:38 GMT
#392
hey guys I just got the first 3 books for christmas and what really bugs me are all the similarities between wheel of time and the Sword of Truth books from Terry Goodkind. To me it almost feels like both of them sat together thought up a basic storyline and then both started making their own series. It just feels really weird to me. In the end I prefer the Wheel of Time books because Goodkind started making me feel like he wants to force his philosophy on me and I didnt like the conclusions in his books.

So far The wheel of time gives me a really nice feeling of epicness when I read it and the writing style feels a bit like a middle ground between longer tolkinesque describtive writing and more modern shorter on point writing which I really like.
Kimaker
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2131 Posts
January 15 2012 02:43 GMT
#393
Help me out guys. I'm currently on book 9, Winter's Heart, and I cannot, repeat CANNOT finish it. I desperately want to finish this series, but this is just dragging WAY too much for me. I beg for incentives!

Also, if someone could talk me thought a particular issue I have with A Crown of Swords...
+ Show Spoiler +

The way Rand conquers Illian also was an issue for me, he spends the whole book maneuvering politically and militarily to attack Illian and then just....decides to go kill a Forsaken, cause he can? On a whim? WTF. I feel like I've misconstrued something here, but then I just reread it and...same thing. Explain please, anyone?

Entusman #54 (-_-) ||"Gold is for the Mistress-Silver for the Maid-Copper for the craftsman cunning in his trade. "Good!" said the Baron, sitting in his hall, But Iron — Cold Iron — is master of them all|| "Optimism is Cowardice."- Oswald Spengler
Maginor
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway505 Posts
January 15 2012 13:25 GMT
#394
On January 15 2012 11:43 Kimaker wrote:
Help me out guys. I'm currently on book 9, Winter's Heart, and I cannot, repeat CANNOT finish it. I desperately want to finish this series, but this is just dragging WAY too much for me. I beg for incentives!

Also, if someone could talk me thought a particular issue I have with A Crown of Swords...
+ Show Spoiler +

The way Rand conquers Illian also was an issue for me, he spends the whole book maneuvering politically and militarily to attack Illian and then just....decides to go kill a Forsaken, cause he can? On a whim? WTF. I feel like I've misconstrued something here, but then I just reread it and...same thing. Explain please, anyone?



The end of book 9 is awsome. Book 10 is slow, but after that a lot of things start happening and keep happening. The race towards the finish line really starts with book 11.

About book 7, I think the plan was to make Sammael confident that Rand would not attack him directly thus all the maneuvering. In any case Rand wanted to secure Illian militarily. It should be no surprise after the previous books that Rand was capable of fighting a forsaken one on one, but he wanted Sammael to think that Rand was indecisive. The final goal was always to take out Sammael, and it had been ever since book 3. Rand saw Sammael as one of his most dangerous enemies (but of course, Sammael is just the one that made it most obvious that he was dangerous).
PHILtheTANK
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1834 Posts
January 15 2012 14:00 GMT
#395
Holy crap I don't know how it took me so long to find this thread. Definetly one of my favorite series ever, I can't imagine being more into a book series than this. Robert Jordan is a fujcking beastg and Brandon sanderson has done him justice in the parts he hwas written so far. Can't wait for hte end of the series!
Jieun <3
Nesto
Profile Joined November 2009
Switzerland1318 Posts
February 18 2012 10:04 GMT
#396
TOR has published the release date for "A Memory of Light" the last book of the series.

The book will be out on January 8, 2013:

http://www.tor.com/blogs/2012/02/the-release-date-for-a-memory-of-light-has-been-set?WT.mc_id=0


Not sure why it takes them a whole year to publish a "finished" book though, but being a long time reader of the series, I guess I'm happy that there finally is at least a date.
DarthXX
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia998 Posts
February 18 2012 10:11 GMT
#397
On February 18 2012 19:04 Nesto wrote:
TOR has published the release date for "A Memory of Light" the last book of the series.

The book will be out on January 8, 2013:

http://www.tor.com/blogs/2012/02/the-release-date-for-a-memory-of-light-has-been-set?WT.mc_id=0


Not sure why it takes them a whole year to publish a "finished" book though, but being a long time reader of the series, I guess I'm happy that there finally is at least a date.

If its delayed that much they should've just opted to release it a week later on the 15th Jan, the 23rd anniversary of the first book.

To people who havn't caught up yet, yes the 8-10 area gets a bit bleh, but 11 is pretty good and from there its Sanderson who is amazing. The Gathering Storm is the best book so far (imo), so stick it out and you will be rewarded
drumsetjunky
Profile Joined May 2011
United States136 Posts
February 18 2012 10:17 GMT
#398
There is information about the long wait in Sanderson's blog.
Most people don't realize how much work goes into editing and even just thoroughly proofreading a WHOLE BOOK. Pretty important stuff considering it is the LAST book in the series and the final legacy of a esteemed writer. Although I am ready to read it I am willing to wait for them to get every detail right.
When Sanderson says that he is done that means he is done with the first draft. He and the team have to go back through and do rewrites, corrections, and even changes to finish it.

http://brandonsanderson.com/blog/1058/A-MEMORY-OF-LIGHT-Release-Date
www.drumsetjunky.com -- www.twitter.com/drumsetjunky
JamesNK
Profile Joined June 2010
New Zealand6 Posts
February 18 2012 10:41 GMT
#399
On January 15 2012 11:43 Kimaker wrote:
Help me out guys. I'm currently on book 9, Winter's Heart, and I cannot, repeat CANNOT finish it. I desperately want to finish this series, but this is just dragging WAY too much for me. I beg for incentives!

I've got bad news for you: Crossroads of Twilight (the book after Winter's Heart) is even worse. Thankfully the books get better those two but you're in for some dark days to get through them.
Traveler
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States451 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-18 11:12:02
February 18 2012 11:09 GMT
#400
I'm going through my third re-reading of the series now (book 10 atm) and I still can't F'ing figure out what Demandred is up to.

+ Show Spoiler +
He's obviously doing something with the Seanchan, but "what?" is the question... What position does he occupy and what are his motivations?
Can you ever argue in favor of something without first proving it?
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