EPTBritish Couple Kicked out of the US for joking - Page 8
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lightson
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
I think the whole point of this thread is that you dont have number 3. American freedom of speech laws are actually the most entrenched out of any nation. The difference is mainly in how fasts freedom of speech can be revoked. In America it's impossible without violating the constitution. In most of Europe it's simply a matter of once again reinforcing blashphemy laws. Not everyone seems to realise that insulting the church is not legal in most of Europe. It's simply tolerated. Kind of like in Holland (where we also have blasphemy laws that are not enforced). Weed is not legal in Holland, but it's tolerated. If the police wanted to shut down all the weed stores in Holland, they wouldn't have to change a single law. If the government wanted to shut down free speech in Holland, it would not have to change any laws. So in practice the USA isn't very different in freedom of speech. It's absolute in the US and it's absolute in most of Europe. But it's very different in theory. | ||
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kc
Canada212 Posts
On January 31 2012 21:54 lightson wrote: Nothing special or stupid about this, just some guys' who used the wrong term for their tweet. Automated systems found the words "destroy" and "America" in the same sentence and red flagged it for analysis; its all procedural. Things have changed much since 9/11 and such, that a country like the US can never be too careful. After all, the best cure is prevention. They got what was coming. Instead of getting all worked up about it, they should've just admitted their mistake. LOL | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
At any rate, this is a pretty good example of skewed data. This doesn't mean that all of Homeland Security is retarded. There are probably hundreds of people joking about terrorism every day and getting away with it, but obviously nobody's reporting that. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
Should just... not do stuff like that. I'm a very sarcastic/cocky person, and it's fine when I'm travelling within scandinavia or even europe, but America doesn't like that, so I just shut up when I go there (and I have to go there because their football is superior). | ||
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bluQ
Germany1724 Posts
On January 31 2012 20:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: 1. There was no infringement of freedom of speech. Or speach. 2. If you write something inflammatory, you still might become a suspect (although this specific situation may have been a bit over the top, do you really think America is going to risk another 9/11?). 3. Did America actually invent freedom of speech, or do we just have it here? Rofl ... so funny how some goverment succeds in marketing their paranoia and "angst" making laws. You really believe that checking twitter will help preventing a "3rd" 9/11? Why 3rd? There allready has been a major bombing of the WTC before. Did that change anything? No. Why? Because they just make pseudo-laws which should leave you, the little citizien, in the belief it will actually achieve something. Just hilarious how people refuse to learn from the past ... maybe read some good history book about France from 1400-1900 would help you alot in seeing the reality i guess. on point 3. No they didn't invent it, BUT they were the pilot to test it  | ||
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paradoxOO9
United Kingdom1123 Posts
On January 31 2012 21:43 Abort Retry Fail wrote: This is true actually. Is it confirmed, is "destroy" really a slang for "party" in UK? Yeah it is, but to be honest in the UK we use pretty much anything as a word for getting drunk/ going out etc  One of our comedians sums it up pretty well with this. On topic though, it is getting slightly worrying with how paranoid and introvert the US seem to be getting in recent years, I really do hope this trend starts dying out before it harms more people | ||
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PrideNeverDie
United States319 Posts
social media has very real consequences | ||
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
On January 31 2012 21:58 Osmoses wrote: Reminds me of those immigration forms you have to fill out when you're gonna enter the US. "Have you ever partaken in genocide", "Are you a remnant of Hitler's nazi regime" etc etc. If these people were really out to "destroy" anything, what are the odds they'd tell anyone about it? At any rate, this is a pretty good example of skewed data. This doesn't mean that all of Homeland Security is retarded. There are probably hundreds of people joking about terrorism every day and getting away with it, but obviously nobody's reporting that. That's actually just clever law design. If you admit that you took part in a genocide then they tell you to get out. If you lie, then they can deport you for lying on your immigration forms. Kind of how they forced gangsters to pay taxes on their (at that time illegal) sales of alcohol. If they didn't pay taxes on them, they arrested them for tax evasion. If they did, they got them for selling alcohol. | ||
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smokeyhoodoo
United States1021 Posts
Indeed. | ||
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Robinsa
Japan1333 Posts
On January 31 2012 21:55 zalz wrote: American freedom of speech laws are actually the most entrenched out of any nation. The difference is mainly in how fasts freedom of speech can be revoked. In America it's impossible without violating the constitution. In most of Europe it's simply a matter of once again reinforcing blashphemy laws. Not everyone seems to realise that insulting the church is not legal in most of Europe. It's simply tolerated. Kind of like in Holland (where we also have blasphemy laws that are not enforced). Weed is not legal in Holland, but it's tolerated. If the police wanted to shut down all the weed stores in Holland, they wouldn't have to change a single law. If the government wanted to shut down free speech in Holland, it would not have to change any laws. So in practice the USA isn't very different in freedom of speech. It's absolute in the US and it's absolute in most of Europe. But it's very different in theory. I realize that the US has freedom of speech. I just attacked what I thuoght was a dumb argument with an equally dumb one. The point I was trying to make was that they may have freedom of speech but its going ut the window fast. I never said that Europe is a model for anything | ||
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Eiaco
170 Posts
On January 31 2012 20:48 eklu65 wrote: That was my impression of the daily mail as well. The Daily Mail = Super Conservative ("Britain's queue for jobs whilst more IMMIGRANTS come for dole money") The Guardian = Super Liberal ("We must accept people who hate our culture and seek to destroy us"). Both circulate equal bullshit to be honest. Take neither seriously and you will be fine. | ||
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Deleuze
United Kingdom2102 Posts
Obviously US security isn't vulnerable to such an abuse of their practice which idicates to me that there is something fishy with the story - that and the fact that it was reported in The Daily Mail.... | ||
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Angra
United States2652 Posts
On January 31 2012 22:06 Deleuze wrote: What's more of an issues is surely couldn't real terrorists just spam twitter making insubstantial claims of attacks and while the authorities are wading through the BS the terrotists could just commit a real attack? Obviously US security isn't vulnerable to such an abuse of their practice which idicates to me that there is something fishy with the story - that and the fact that it was reported in The Daily Mail.... Anything to get a quick jab at the US, most of Europe will believe it no matter how ridiculous it is, as evidenced by this thread On a similar note, can it please be a bannable offense to make threads linking to tabloid articles and posting them as truth? At least a warning or thread closure would be nice. | ||
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Deleuze
United Kingdom2102 Posts
On January 31 2012 22:06 Eiaco wrote: The Daily Mail = Super Conservative ("Britain's queue for jobs whilst more IMMIGRANTS come for dole money") The Guardian = Super Liberal ("We must accept people who hate our culture and seek to destroy us"). Both circulate equal bullshit to be honest. Take neither seriously and you will be fine. The Daily Mail is a centre-left paper, just a tabloid centre-left paper. | ||
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werynais
Germany1780 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8281 Posts
On the other hand, holding them for 12 hours before sending them home is obviously retarded. | ||
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NoctemSC
United States771 Posts
Anyone else awestruck by that? How would they know that someone even joking made that tweet in the first place? The only thing I can thing of (without going all "omg the government is tracking everyone!) is that some dick read the tweet and promptly dialed up homeland Security. Either way, it's ridiculous. Edit: seems like this tabloid doesn't have very good credentials so I'm not going to take it too seriously. | ||
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Fortissimo
Canada145 Posts
On January 31 2012 21:57 Euronyme wrote: I'm totally going to the US. It's gonna be the bomb :D Maybe u should say, I'm gonna be da bomb! | ||
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