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On February 17 2012 09:09 durr wrote:
if the security didn't take the couple and deny them entrance to the country and then the couple did do something wrong like blowing up a building then you all would be sitting here saying what idiots! this couple even said they were going to do this
I lol'd.
If something had in fact happened, we would probably not know.
Are you implying that foreigners are more dangerous to the US than citizens themselves, too? In US history, Americans have killed much more of their own people than all other nations combined.
Events like Columbine or Virginia Tech also show that you really don't need our help to mess things up.
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On February 17 2012 09:40 Kukaracha wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 09:09 durr wrote:
if the security didn't take the couple and deny them entrance to the country and then the couple did do something wrong like blowing up a building then you all would be sitting here saying what idiots! this couple even said they were going to do this I lol'd. If something had in fact happened, we would probably not know. Are you implying that foreigners are more dangerous to the US than citizens themselves, too? In US history, Americans have killed much more of their own people than all other nations combined. Events like Columbine or Virginia Tech also show that you really don't need our help to mess things up.
im not saying that at all. all im saying is that everyone would be saying that the security did not do their job if they would have had a "possible" threat and did nothing to investigate it. i do not blame them for being careful, even though it doesn seem kind of over protective sometimes.
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On February 17 2012 10:36 durr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 09:40 Kukaracha wrote:On February 17 2012 09:09 durr wrote:
if the security didn't take the couple and deny them entrance to the country and then the couple did do something wrong like blowing up a building then you all would be sitting here saying what idiots! this couple even said they were going to do this I lol'd. If something had in fact happened, we would probably not know. Are you implying that foreigners are more dangerous to the US than citizens themselves, too? In US history, Americans have killed much more of their own people than all other nations combined. Events like Columbine or Virginia Tech also show that you really don't need our help to mess things up. im not saying that at all. all im saying is that everyone would be saying that the security did not do their job if they would have had a "possible" threat and did nothing to investigate it. i do not blame them for being careful, even though it doesn seem kind of over protective sometimes.
I have no problem with them being questioned, since i'm fairly sure whatever they use to trawl twitter is automated, and just brings up a warning on their record electronically without supervision. The fact that they were denied entry after they were interviewed when the 'threat' was clearly ridiculous is the problem.
EVERYONE can be a 'possible threat', some are more unlikely to be threats than others. If we were to apply that logic that if security didn't deny them entry and they did something, consistently, then the US should just shut down all air travel into the country completely, because anyone could be able to do something, however unlikely.
A line has to be drawn somewhere, and this was a fairly ridiculous place to draw it. They were pretty clearly harmless, if you are going to draw the line at 'it's not impossible that they might do something, and it would be embarassing if we let them through' then you should be denying a heck of alot more people if you were to apply it consistently.
Either the people interrogating them were completely incompetent in seperating innocuous social banter from actual threats of violence, or were touchy about having the ridiculousness of the situation pointed out to them and denied them entry out of spite.
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On February 17 2012 08:49 Kukaracha wrote:I'll translate : if I need to show proof, so do you.
This is a strange game you're playing. Proof for what? I merely stipulated that some brief thought on the alternative should lead any normal person to the right conclusion. However, you're the one making unsubstantiated claims as if you are a TSA agent and are aware of similar incidents that are ignored.
So no. You're the one that needs proof for your claims. I've made no claims.
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On February 17 2012 01:40 enigmaticcam wrote:
Imagine if the "no terrorist is that stupid" logic was good enough for the TSA, and cases like this were dismissed all the time.
Thus implying that cases like this are never or rarely dismissed. I ask proof showing that joking about the USA on the internet is enough to see yourself expelled from American territory the vast majority of the time.
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damn, i look totally destroyed today...
somebody has to pay for this... some TERRORIST...
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On February 17 2012 05:41 Kukaracha wrote:
They didn't make fun of the US. They said they were going to party so hard it would destroy America - there's a big difference.
The only lack of respect they showed was to arrive drunk, but that's not a national issue.
Edit : and yes, people do set foot in France and immediately complain on how we're part of Eurabia now, and that we're arrogan stinky frogs. We don't kick them out though, because we have common sense.
Look, they make a comment using slang that's not even native to Americans. Did the USA overreact? Sure, it's pretty obvious an overreaction. But it's completely within their right to overreact. I can't even imagine how this topic is still going on.
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Yeah really, it's just some TSA idiots getting confused and going overboard and sending the people home. Everyone knows the TSA has become a big over bloated mess. What's there to talk about much more in regards to this specific incident, besides how funny/dumb it is? There's 60 MILLION people that enter this country every year... if people think this one stupid occurence is that important i think they really have some other angst filled opinion they want to get out there.
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On February 17 2012 23:34 DannyJ wrote:
Yeah really, it's just some TSA idiots getting confused and going overboard and sending the people home. Everyone knows the TSA has become a big over bloated mess. What's there to talk about much more in regards to this specific incident, besides how funny/dumb it is? There's 60 MILLION people that enter this country every year... if people think this one stupid occurence is that important i think they really have some other angst filled opinion they want to get out there.
uggg This isn't the TSA in any way, shape or forum. This is U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP). Customs has kinda been around awhile.
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On February 17 2012 22:49 Kukaracha wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 01:40 enigmaticcam wrote:
Imagine if the "no terrorist is that stupid" logic was good enough for the TSA, and cases like this were dismissed all the time. Thus implying that cases like this are never or rarely dismissed. I ask proof showing that joking about the USA on the internet is enough to see yourself expelled from American territory the vast majority of the time.
Is it so hard to imagine a hypothetical? Must you create these personal barriers that I have to show you through before you're willing to look at it from a different point of view? I can't imagine living in a world where I only ever see things from my own perspective.
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its simple
lawyer up or shut up
Im goign to call my child Ist
then when he misbehaves i can say 'stop being a little terror ist'
I get shit EVERYTIME i goto america because i have a beard and long hair.
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Liberty without security deserves neither too, nothing's black and white in the real world son.
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On February 01 2012 13:45 GARO wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 13:39 turdburgler wrote:On February 01 2012 13:36 oxxo wrote:
You guys are hilarious. If you make a threat, joking or not, you deserve whatever comes your way. How are they supposed to know you are joking? They can't know and it's completely stupid to think that they should.
If it wasn't America you guys wouldn't be talking at all. are you serious? you think that posting it on twitter isnt a big enough give away that maybe he isnt going to actually be bombing america? maybe people in the UK are just a bit sour over the US's idiotic stance on terrorism, but you'll have to forgive us since it was only 5 years ago that the US stopped funding people blowing up parts of the UK every few months. Source now or you are absolutely full of shit. And dont tell me that the london train bombings are what you are fucking referring to.
Look up who heads up your United States House Committee on Homeland Security.
Then look up his views on the IRA.
United States starts to care about terrorism only after 9/11 but allowed NORAID to exist for nearly half a century supplying money to the IRA to attack your supposed 'closet ally'.
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On February 18 2012 02:09 kobrakai wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 13:45 GARO wrote:On February 01 2012 13:39 turdburgler wrote:On February 01 2012 13:36 oxxo wrote:
You guys are hilarious. If you make a threat, joking or not, you deserve whatever comes your way. How are they supposed to know you are joking? They can't know and it's completely stupid to think that they should.
If it wasn't America you guys wouldn't be talking at all. are you serious? you think that posting it on twitter isnt a big enough give away that maybe he isnt going to actually be bombing america? maybe people in the UK are just a bit sour over the US's idiotic stance on terrorism, but you'll have to forgive us since it was only 5 years ago that the US stopped funding people blowing up parts of the UK every few months. Source now or you are absolutely full of shit. And dont tell me that the london train bombings are what you are fucking referring to. Look up who heads up your United States House Committee on Homeland Security. Then look up his views on the IRA. United States starts to care about terrorism only after 9/11 but allowed NORAID to exist for nearly half a century supplying money to the IRA to attack your supposed 'closet ally'.
Bennie Thompson? Christopher Cox? There has been a few committee chairmen. But I am playing cory, you're talking about Pete King (R-NY), 2011-present.
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On February 18 2012 01:45 enigmaticcam wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 22:49 Kukaracha wrote:
Thus implying that cases like this are never or rarely dismissed. I ask proof showing that joking about the USA on the internet is enough to see yourself expelled from American territory the vast majority of the time. Is it so hard to imagine a hypothetical? Must you create these personal barriers that I have to show you through before you're willing to look at it from a different point of view? I can't imagine living in a world where I only ever see things from my own perspective.
Well, if you were indeed completely hypothetical and are willing to admit that you have no idea of what you're talking about, I will admit that I, too, have no idea of what I'm talking about, as I have no other proof the back me up other than my personal experience (and the fact that I often joke in such a way, stating that I will be "invading England" when I travelled there this christmas).
Now, what really amazes me is how you're able to see things from a different perspective than yours. This is truely a remarquable feat, care to explain how you do this?
Can you also see trough the eyes of other people, like Harry Potter?
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Im with America on this one. Who knows what those vile brits are up to, it could be anything. Better be safe than sorry.
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On January 31 2012 19:27 bOneSeven wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 19:22 SolHeiM wrote:But what if these had been actual terrorists? How are they supposed to deduce if a tweet is real or not? Now you might not think that many "solo" terrorists would openly announce to the world that they're going to destroy America, but when large terrorist organizations openly announce that they will, how can they not take things like this seriously? There is no way that they can know if this is a real threat or not, therefore they have to treat it as a real threat. On January 31 2012 19:21 Keitzer wrote:
Lol, if I was this brit couple, i'd be just laughing the ENTIRE time... fucking jokes these airport security are man... I wouldn't be laughing. I'd be scared shit-less I'd be thrown into some prison like Guantanamo Bay. Terrorist won't anounce on a public social media device that they gonna attack. How are they gonna succed? ....... And yes, the bigger question is how much they monitor twitter....Or all social medias, for "hot" words or whatever...
although i found the story funny, after reading solheim's point i think he is right, they should have checked them out, but I still think they overracted afterwards when they knew they werent terrorists.
Now you say that terrororists wont announce anything like this on twitter, but imagine if they did and actually came through with the threat. I bet you then people would be posting about how dumb USA is for not stopping terrorists who twiited about the attack. They should have been checked upon entry, even if it was a misunderstanding.
+ Show Spoiler +Searching for shovels was still hillarious
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People other than me getting shit while travelling. I approve !
Honestly I have the cleanest (and reasonably extensive) travel record possible and I travel a fair bit to and from the US and on very rare occasions am I not treated like a threat. But I dont mind, Im not a citizen and the color and content of my passport means they have some parameters they go by and its their perogative. Its silly that they sent them home though, just looking into it and inconveniencing them is more than enough punishment for a flagged twitter comment. Usually Homeland security goes out of their way to make sure you dont get into trouble in the country (or maybe just in my experience). Theirs plenty of idiots going around in all departments though.
Anyone arguing that it was sensible to send them home is being ridiculous. Ive seen people with fake visa's, wrong documents and god knows what from Latin America to I dont know... pfft Turkey (latest trip dude got conned into a fake visa or something). They treated him pretty well, gave him food, place to sleep. Just made sure he didnt step on US soil (because thats when laws become a problem) and went out of their way to make sure the dude didnt get blacklisted because it was just a mistake. Ofcourse they do get sent home because they dont have the right paperwork but if the problem can be solved without doing so they pretty much do it.
So no I cant agree that this is standard practice and it really is just silly behaviour from some eggheads having a bad day seen quite a bit of those to (personally never given a reason to piss them off but again seen people witht to much attitude get cuffed once).
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We're only seeing one side of the story-- the British couple's side. The TSA hasn't really made a statement on the matter far as I know. Like, do we know what the British couple might have said or done while in custody? They might have said something stupid, or just not taken security seriously as they should have. That, along with a potentially strange tweet, might be enough rounds to get ejected.
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In my opinion, they were asking for what they got... It's like saying you're going to bomb the airplane right before you get on... Even if you're joking, why would you say it?
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