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From the "article":
Men and women aren't equal. We were made this way on purpose.
I think "five reasons why this author should do a little research before spouting nonsense on a topic she has very little understanding of" would be a better title.
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On April 03 2014 23:56 kwizach wrote:From the "article": I think "five reasons why this author should do a little research before spouting nonsense on a topic she has very little understanding of" would be a better title.
or "an accurate collection of misconceptions about feminism"
+ Show Spoiler +also form the article:
- Feminists don't want to be equal with men, they want to overpower men.
- Also, notice that feminists never encourage women to become construction workers or welders.
- Men and women were made FOR each other. (what?)
- I want you to do just as much as any man can do out there, and if you can match his production, then you can get your equal pay. Let's see how long you last.
- But wait, you don't want to have the same job as this welder. No, you'd rather be above him and dictate his every move as CEO, because you're a power hungry, self righteous bitch.
- Through a feminist's eyes, women who choose to stay at home are viewed as being victims of oppression.
- They believe that the freedom of being able to have an abortion is "empowering."(this whole point is a lot of "what the fuck" its like she forgot the title of the point was freedom to have, not having)
- They also say that men objectify women (aka, see them as a piece of meat), but that a woman should be able to dress however she desires without being stared down or lusted after by men. (are you trying to say this is a bad thing?)
- That's just how a man's brain is wired. (then she admits men objectify women and its a biotruth)
- I was raised by a father who loved me, protected me, and showed me what true masculinity was. (true masculinity?)
- I don't need some feminist telling me how I should dress, act, shave, think, vote, educate myself, and work (no one does that)
i'd actually be pretty embarrassed to link that.
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On April 04 2014 00:09 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 23:56 kwizach wrote:From the "article": Men and women aren't equal. We were made this way on purpose. I think "five reasons why this author should do a little research before spouting nonsense on a topic she has very little understanding of" would be a better title. or "an accurate collection of misconceptions about feminism" + Show Spoiler +also form the article:
- Feminists don't want to be equal with men, they want to overpower men.
- Also, notice that feminists never encourage women to become construction workers or welders.
- Men and women were made FOR each other. (what?)
- I want you to do just as much as any man can do out there, and if you can match his production, then you can get your equal pay. Let's see how long you last.
- But wait, you don't want to have the same job as this welder. No, you'd rather be above him and dictate his every move as CEO, because you're a power hungry, self righteous bitch.
- Through a feminist's eyes, women who choose to stay at home are viewed as being victims of oppression.
- They believe that the freedom of being able to have an abortion is "empowering."(this whole point is a lot of "what the fuck" its like she forgot the title of the point was freedom to have, not having)
- They also say that men objectify women (aka, see them as a piece of meat), but that a woman should be able to dress however she desires without being stared down or lusted after by men. (are you trying to say this is a bad thing?)
- That's just how a man's brain is wired. (then she admits men objectify women and its a biotruth)
- I was raised by a father who loved me, protected me, and showed me what true masculinity was. (true masculinity?)
- I don't need some feminist telling me how I should dress, act, shave, think, vote, educate myself, and work (no one does that)
i'd actually be pretty embarrassed to link that.
You attack the small details and yet ignore the main point. Feminists don't want equality, they want to be above men. They don't want to work the same jobs as men, they just want to work the top jobs and to have men work the physical labor jobs. They don't want to be in construction with men, they want to be their bosses, even if they aren't qualified to. Women already have equality, but feminists find more and more absurd things to cry about in America.
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On April 04 2014 00:15 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 00:09 ComaDose wrote:On April 03 2014 23:56 kwizach wrote:From the "article": Men and women aren't equal. We were made this way on purpose. I think "five reasons why this author should do a little research before spouting nonsense on a topic she has very little understanding of" would be a better title. or "an accurate collection of misconceptions about feminism" + Show Spoiler +also form the article:
- Feminists don't want to be equal with men, they want to overpower men.
- Also, notice that feminists never encourage women to become construction workers or welders.
- Men and women were made FOR each other. (what?)
- I want you to do just as much as any man can do out there, and if you can match his production, then you can get your equal pay. Let's see how long you last.
- But wait, you don't want to have the same job as this welder. No, you'd rather be above him and dictate his every move as CEO, because you're a power hungry, self righteous bitch.
- Through a feminist's eyes, women who choose to stay at home are viewed as being victims of oppression.
- They believe that the freedom of being able to have an abortion is "empowering."(this whole point is a lot of "what the fuck" its like she forgot the title of the point was freedom to have, not having)
- They also say that men objectify women (aka, see them as a piece of meat), but that a woman should be able to dress however she desires without being stared down or lusted after by men. (are you trying to say this is a bad thing?)
- That's just how a man's brain is wired. (then she admits men objectify women and its a biotruth)
- I was raised by a father who loved me, protected me, and showed me what true masculinity was. (true masculinity?)
- I don't need some feminist telling me how I should dress, act, shave, think, vote, educate myself, and work (no one does that)
i'd actually be pretty embarrassed to link that. You attack the small details and yet ignore the main point. Feminists don't want equality, they want to be above men. They don't want to work the same jobs as men, they just want to work the top jobs and to have men work the physical labor jobs. They don't want to be in construction with men, they want to be their bosses, even if they aren't qualified to. Women already have equality, but feminists find more and more absurd things to cry about in America.
None of what you just said is true.
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On April 04 2014 00:18 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 00:15 hunts wrote:On April 04 2014 00:09 ComaDose wrote:On April 03 2014 23:56 kwizach wrote:From the "article": Men and women aren't equal. We were made this way on purpose. I think "five reasons why this author should do a little research before spouting nonsense on a topic she has very little understanding of" would be a better title. or "an accurate collection of misconceptions about feminism" + Show Spoiler +also form the article:
- Feminists don't want to be equal with men, they want to overpower men.
- Also, notice that feminists never encourage women to become construction workers or welders.
- Men and women were made FOR each other. (what?)
- I want you to do just as much as any man can do out there, and if you can match his production, then you can get your equal pay. Let's see how long you last.
- But wait, you don't want to have the same job as this welder. No, you'd rather be above him and dictate his every move as CEO, because you're a power hungry, self righteous bitch.
- Through a feminist's eyes, women who choose to stay at home are viewed as being victims of oppression.
- They believe that the freedom of being able to have an abortion is "empowering."(this whole point is a lot of "what the fuck" its like she forgot the title of the point was freedom to have, not having)
- They also say that men objectify women (aka, see them as a piece of meat), but that a woman should be able to dress however she desires without being stared down or lusted after by men. (are you trying to say this is a bad thing?)
- That's just how a man's brain is wired. (then she admits men objectify women and its a biotruth)
- I was raised by a father who loved me, protected me, and showed me what true masculinity was. (true masculinity?)
- I don't need some feminist telling me how I should dress, act, shave, think, vote, educate myself, and work (no one does that)
i'd actually be pretty embarrassed to link that. You attack the small details and yet ignore the main point. Feminists don't want equality, they want to be above men. They don't want to work the same jobs as men, they just want to work the top jobs and to have men work the physical labor jobs. They don't want to be in construction with men, they want to be their bosses, even if they aren't qualified to. Women already have equality, but feminists find more and more absurd things to cry about in America. None of what you just said is true.
Go on... Or did you just plan on denying what I said and not actually providing any sort of evidence or counter argument? That's not a very good way to argue, just going "nope."
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On April 04 2014 00:15 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 00:09 ComaDose wrote:On April 03 2014 23:56 kwizach wrote:From the "article": Men and women aren't equal. We were made this way on purpose. I think "five reasons why this author should do a little research before spouting nonsense on a topic she has very little understanding of" would be a better title. or "an accurate collection of misconceptions about feminism" + Show Spoiler +also form the article:
- Feminists don't want to be equal with men, they want to overpower men.
- Also, notice that feminists never encourage women to become construction workers or welders.
- Men and women were made FOR each other. (what?)
- I want you to do just as much as any man can do out there, and if you can match his production, then you can get your equal pay. Let's see how long you last.
- But wait, you don't want to have the same job as this welder. No, you'd rather be above him and dictate his every move as CEO, because you're a power hungry, self righteous bitch.
- Through a feminist's eyes, women who choose to stay at home are viewed as being victims of oppression.
- They believe that the freedom of being able to have an abortion is "empowering."(this whole point is a lot of "what the fuck" its like she forgot the title of the point was freedom to have, not having)
- They also say that men objectify women (aka, see them as a piece of meat), but that a woman should be able to dress however she desires without being stared down or lusted after by men. (are you trying to say this is a bad thing?)
- That's just how a man's brain is wired. (then she admits men objectify women and its a biotruth)
- I was raised by a father who loved me, protected me, and showed me what true masculinity was. (true masculinity?)
- I don't need some feminist telling me how I should dress, act, shave, think, vote, educate myself, and work (no one does that)
i'd actually be pretty embarrassed to link that. You attack the small details and yet ignore the main point. Feminists don't want equality, they want to be above men.
i literally listed this as the first point. You are deciding what a movement you're not a part of is, but you are inaccurate to say the least.
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On April 04 2014 00:23 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 00:18 kwizach wrote:On April 04 2014 00:15 hunts wrote:On April 04 2014 00:09 ComaDose wrote:On April 03 2014 23:56 kwizach wrote:From the "article": Men and women aren't equal. We were made this way on purpose. I think "five reasons why this author should do a little research before spouting nonsense on a topic she has very little understanding of" would be a better title. or "an accurate collection of misconceptions about feminism" + Show Spoiler +also form the article:
- Feminists don't want to be equal with men, they want to overpower men.
- Also, notice that feminists never encourage women to become construction workers or welders.
- Men and women were made FOR each other. (what?)
- I want you to do just as much as any man can do out there, and if you can match his production, then you can get your equal pay. Let's see how long you last.
- But wait, you don't want to have the same job as this welder. No, you'd rather be above him and dictate his every move as CEO, because you're a power hungry, self righteous bitch.
- Through a feminist's eyes, women who choose to stay at home are viewed as being victims of oppression.
- They believe that the freedom of being able to have an abortion is "empowering."(this whole point is a lot of "what the fuck" its like she forgot the title of the point was freedom to have, not having)
- They also say that men objectify women (aka, see them as a piece of meat), but that a woman should be able to dress however she desires without being stared down or lusted after by men. (are you trying to say this is a bad thing?)
- That's just how a man's brain is wired. (then she admits men objectify women and its a biotruth)
- I was raised by a father who loved me, protected me, and showed me what true masculinity was. (true masculinity?)
- I don't need some feminist telling me how I should dress, act, shave, think, vote, educate myself, and work (no one does that)
i'd actually be pretty embarrassed to link that. You attack the small details and yet ignore the main point. Feminists don't want equality, they want to be above men. They don't want to work the same jobs as men, they just want to work the top jobs and to have men work the physical labor jobs. They don't want to be in construction with men, they want to be their bosses, even if they aren't qualified to. Women already have equality, but feminists find more and more absurd things to cry about in America. None of what you just said is true. Go on... Or did you just plan on denying what I said and not actually providing any sort of evidence or counter argument? That's not a very good way to argue, just going "nope."
For me to provide a counter-argument, there needs to be an argument in the first place. You just listed a series of things that, according to you, "feminists" want or don't want, and those statements are not true. How about you provide "any sort of evidence" to support your claim that feminists "want to be above men"?
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On April 04 2014 00:35 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 00:23 hunts wrote:On April 04 2014 00:18 kwizach wrote:On April 04 2014 00:15 hunts wrote:On April 04 2014 00:09 ComaDose wrote:On April 03 2014 23:56 kwizach wrote:From the "article": Men and women aren't equal. We were made this way on purpose. I think "five reasons why this author should do a little research before spouting nonsense on a topic she has very little understanding of" would be a better title. or "an accurate collection of misconceptions about feminism" + Show Spoiler +also form the article:
- Feminists don't want to be equal with men, they want to overpower men.
- Also, notice that feminists never encourage women to become construction workers or welders.
- Men and women were made FOR each other. (what?)
- I want you to do just as much as any man can do out there, and if you can match his production, then you can get your equal pay. Let's see how long you last.
- But wait, you don't want to have the same job as this welder. No, you'd rather be above him and dictate his every move as CEO, because you're a power hungry, self righteous bitch.
- Through a feminist's eyes, women who choose to stay at home are viewed as being victims of oppression.
- They believe that the freedom of being able to have an abortion is "empowering."(this whole point is a lot of "what the fuck" its like she forgot the title of the point was freedom to have, not having)
- They also say that men objectify women (aka, see them as a piece of meat), but that a woman should be able to dress however she desires without being stared down or lusted after by men. (are you trying to say this is a bad thing?)
- That's just how a man's brain is wired. (then she admits men objectify women and its a biotruth)
- I was raised by a father who loved me, protected me, and showed me what true masculinity was. (true masculinity?)
- I don't need some feminist telling me how I should dress, act, shave, think, vote, educate myself, and work (no one does that)
i'd actually be pretty embarrassed to link that. You attack the small details and yet ignore the main point. Feminists don't want equality, they want to be above men. They don't want to work the same jobs as men, they just want to work the top jobs and to have men work the physical labor jobs. They don't want to be in construction with men, they want to be their bosses, even if they aren't qualified to. Women already have equality, but feminists find more and more absurd things to cry about in America. None of what you just said is true. Go on... Or did you just plan on denying what I said and not actually providing any sort of evidence or counter argument? That's not a very good way to argue, just going "nope." For me to provide a counter-argument, there needs to be an argument in the first place. You just listed a series of things that, according to you, "feminists" want or don't want, and those things are not true. How about you provide "any sort of evidence" to support your claim that feminists "want to be above men"?
You guys are the best debaters ever lol Two ppl providing 0 evidence for their claims and demanding the other one provide some for his.
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On April 04 2014 00:59 ffadicted wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 00:35 kwizach wrote:On April 04 2014 00:23 hunts wrote:On April 04 2014 00:18 kwizach wrote:On April 04 2014 00:15 hunts wrote:On April 04 2014 00:09 ComaDose wrote:On April 03 2014 23:56 kwizach wrote:From the "article": Men and women aren't equal. We were made this way on purpose. I think "five reasons why this author should do a little research before spouting nonsense on a topic she has very little understanding of" would be a better title. or "an accurate collection of misconceptions about feminism" + Show Spoiler +also form the article:
- Feminists don't want to be equal with men, they want to overpower men.
- Also, notice that feminists never encourage women to become construction workers or welders.
- Men and women were made FOR each other. (what?)
- I want you to do just as much as any man can do out there, and if you can match his production, then you can get your equal pay. Let's see how long you last.
- But wait, you don't want to have the same job as this welder. No, you'd rather be above him and dictate his every move as CEO, because you're a power hungry, self righteous bitch.
- Through a feminist's eyes, women who choose to stay at home are viewed as being victims of oppression.
- They believe that the freedom of being able to have an abortion is "empowering."(this whole point is a lot of "what the fuck" its like she forgot the title of the point was freedom to have, not having)
- They also say that men objectify women (aka, see them as a piece of meat), but that a woman should be able to dress however she desires without being stared down or lusted after by men. (are you trying to say this is a bad thing?)
- That's just how a man's brain is wired. (then she admits men objectify women and its a biotruth)
- I was raised by a father who loved me, protected me, and showed me what true masculinity was. (true masculinity?)
- I don't need some feminist telling me how I should dress, act, shave, think, vote, educate myself, and work (no one does that)
i'd actually be pretty embarrassed to link that. You attack the small details and yet ignore the main point. Feminists don't want equality, they want to be above men. They don't want to work the same jobs as men, they just want to work the top jobs and to have men work the physical labor jobs. They don't want to be in construction with men, they want to be their bosses, even if they aren't qualified to. Women already have equality, but feminists find more and more absurd things to cry about in America. None of what you just said is true. Go on... Or did you just plan on denying what I said and not actually providing any sort of evidence or counter argument? That's not a very good way to argue, just going "nope." For me to provide a counter-argument, there needs to be an argument in the first place. You just listed a series of things that, according to you, "feminists" want or don't want, and those things are not true. How about you provide "any sort of evidence" to support your claim that feminists "want to be above men"? You guys are the best debaters ever lol Two ppl providing 0 evidence for their claims and demanding the other one provide some for his.
He is the one making the claim that feminists "want to be above men". I extensively discussed the aims of feminism earlier in the thread - if he's going to make that claim, the burden of evidence lies with him, just like you'd expect someone claiming that feminists want to eradicate men, or that socialists want to kill babies, to provide some evidence supporting the accusation.
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United States43458 Posts
I'm a feminist and I've never tried to get a construction job. Checkmate atheists.
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On April 04 2014 01:14 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 00:59 ffadicted wrote:On April 04 2014 00:35 kwizach wrote:On April 04 2014 00:23 hunts wrote:On April 04 2014 00:18 kwizach wrote:On April 04 2014 00:15 hunts wrote:On April 04 2014 00:09 ComaDose wrote:On April 03 2014 23:56 kwizach wrote:From the "article": Men and women aren't equal. We were made this way on purpose. I think "five reasons why this author should do a little research before spouting nonsense on a topic she has very little understanding of" would be a better title. or "an accurate collection of misconceptions about feminism" + Show Spoiler +also form the article:
- Feminists don't want to be equal with men, they want to overpower men.
- Also, notice that feminists never encourage women to become construction workers or welders.
- Men and women were made FOR each other. (what?)
- I want you to do just as much as any man can do out there, and if you can match his production, then you can get your equal pay. Let's see how long you last.
- But wait, you don't want to have the same job as this welder. No, you'd rather be above him and dictate his every move as CEO, because you're a power hungry, self righteous bitch.
- Through a feminist's eyes, women who choose to stay at home are viewed as being victims of oppression.
- They believe that the freedom of being able to have an abortion is "empowering."(this whole point is a lot of "what the fuck" its like she forgot the title of the point was freedom to have, not having)
- They also say that men objectify women (aka, see them as a piece of meat), but that a woman should be able to dress however she desires without being stared down or lusted after by men. (are you trying to say this is a bad thing?)
- That's just how a man's brain is wired. (then she admits men objectify women and its a biotruth)
- I was raised by a father who loved me, protected me, and showed me what true masculinity was. (true masculinity?)
- I don't need some feminist telling me how I should dress, act, shave, think, vote, educate myself, and work (no one does that)
i'd actually be pretty embarrassed to link that. You attack the small details and yet ignore the main point. Feminists don't want equality, they want to be above men. They don't want to work the same jobs as men, they just want to work the top jobs and to have men work the physical labor jobs. They don't want to be in construction with men, they want to be their bosses, even if they aren't qualified to. Women already have equality, but feminists find more and more absurd things to cry about in America. None of what you just said is true. Go on... Or did you just plan on denying what I said and not actually providing any sort of evidence or counter argument? That's not a very good way to argue, just going "nope." For me to provide a counter-argument, there needs to be an argument in the first place. You just listed a series of things that, according to you, "feminists" want or don't want, and those things are not true. How about you provide "any sort of evidence" to support your claim that feminists "want to be above men"? You guys are the best debaters ever lol Two ppl providing 0 evidence for their claims and demanding the other one provide some for his. He is the one making the claim that feminists "want to be above men". I extensively discussed the aims of feminism earlier in the thread - if he's going to make that claim, the burden of evidence lies with him, just like you'd expect someone claiming that feminists want to eradicate men, or that socialists want to kill babies, to provide some evidence supporting the accusation.
Well in reality such a thing is/would be very hard to prove, since feminist can just reject those things are going on. However seminar, lectures about how evil white men (or just white people in general) are however happening.
My favorite quotes.
"My partner, who is a man, can't tell you about feminism. He knows a lot about it. He considers himself a feminist, but you want to learn feminism from him? No," she commented during the session. "You need to learn feminism from a woman. You need to learn what it is like to be a woman from a woman. He can't teach that. I can't teach students of color nearly as well as a person of color can."
"Being a white person who does anti-racist work is like being an alcoholic. I will never be recovered by my alcoholism, to use the metaphor," Radersma said. "I have to everyday wake up and acknowledge that I am so deeply imbedded with racist thoughts and notions and actions in my body that I have to choose everyday to do anti-racist work and think in an anti-racist way."
Is this feminism? Or simply a lunatic given a microphone?
Highlights from the National White Privilege Conference in Madison
+ Show Spoiler +http://www.maciverinstitute.com/2014/04/White-Privilege-Conf-Teacher/
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How can a man tell you what it is like to be a women? I think that makes sense.
And I agree with the 2nd one too. I am filled with deep rooted racist thoughts, and to try to get rid of them, I must be conscious of them whenever they effect me.
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whaaaat? what do people that have a lot of sex dress like?
why do you think that this article saying that no feminists want construction jobs makes it true? how does that make me have to prove it's not true? because some anti-feminist blogger said it?
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On April 04 2014 05:51 Jumperer wrote:
do you know why women aren't getting jobs as engineers, physicists, statisticians, computer programmers, mathematicians, actuaries, and fields where serious money is made? It's because they know it's hard and they don't want to do it. It's not because of society's cultural expectation. Not because of gender roles.
I just want to say that this claim is utter bullshit. I go to one of the top computer science and engineering schools in the country, and we used to have a 7% proportion of women in Computer Science. Since then, it's risen to 42%, and for my year, 47% by helping change the peer culture and studying different ways to present the material. Women aren't afraid of Computer science because it's hard. In fact, they very much become interested in it and find it as a great tool for helping them accomplish their goals in a broader context of helping the world. So yeah, your misogynistic claim has been proven bullshit by the brilliant computer scientists at Carnegie Mellon, and in fact, it was proven bullshit decades earlier when a woman, named Grace Hopper, was actually one of the pioneers of computer science.
Proof:
http://blog.play-i.com/carnegie-mellon-study-on-gender-and-computer-science/
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/project/gendergap/www/papers/sigcse97/sigcse97.html
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~cfrieze/
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Facts don't matter to Jumperer because he's getting his own personal truth a priori from his speculative evolutionary biology.
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On April 04 2014 06:07 Jumperer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 00:09 ComaDose wrote:On April 03 2014 23:56 kwizach wrote:From the "article": Men and women aren't equal. We were made this way on purpose. I think "five reasons why this author should do a little research before spouting nonsense on a topic she has very little understanding of" would be a better title. or "an accurate collection of misconceptions about feminism" + Show Spoiler +also form the article:
- Feminists don't want to be equal with men, they want to overpower men.
- Also, notice that feminists never encourage women to become construction workers or welders.
- Men and women were made FOR each other. (what?)
- I want you to do just as much as any man can do out there, and if you can match his production, then you can get your equal pay. Let's see how long you last.
- But wait, you don't want to have the same job as this welder. No, you'd rather be above him and dictate his every move as CEO, because you're a power hungry, self righteous bitch.
- Through a feminist's eyes, women who choose to stay at home are viewed as being victims of oppression.
- They believe that the freedom of being able to have an abortion is "empowering."(this whole point is a lot of "what the fuck" its like she forgot the title of the point was freedom to have, not having)
- They also say that men objectify women (aka, see them as a piece of meat), but that a woman should be able to dress however she desires without being stared down or lusted after by men. (are you trying to say this is a bad thing?)
- That's just how a man's brain is wired. (then she admits men objectify women and its a biotruth)
- I was raised by a father who loved me, protected me, and showed me what true masculinity was. (true masculinity?)
- I don't need some feminist telling me how I should dress, act, shave, think, vote, educate myself, and work (no one does that)
i'd actually be pretty embarrassed to link that. This whole argument is like arguing that republicans created the voter ID law to actually help curb voting frauds when in reality they do it in order to decrease democrats participation. When you ask a republican lawmaker straight up. They are going to say that they are doing it because of "voter fraud." Of course they are not going to admit in public their true intention. That would be stupid. With that said, how are these misconceptions? You don't explain anything. Your logic is quite flaw when you said that "They also say that men objectify women (aka, see them as a piece of meat), but that a woman should be able to dress however she desires without being stared down or lusted after by men. (are you trying to say this is a bad thing?)" If I dress like a policeman out in public and i'm not a policeman. I can't blame other people for seeing me as a policeman. If you dress up like a slut you should expect other people to treat you like a slut. What, you want women to do whatever they want without consequence just because they are women? Is that what you want? Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 01:14 kwizach wrote:On April 04 2014 00:59 ffadicted wrote:On April 04 2014 00:35 kwizach wrote:On April 04 2014 00:23 hunts wrote:On April 04 2014 00:18 kwizach wrote:On April 04 2014 00:15 hunts wrote:On April 04 2014 00:09 ComaDose wrote:On April 03 2014 23:56 kwizach wrote:From the "article": Men and women aren't equal. We were made this way on purpose. I think "five reasons why this author should do a little research before spouting nonsense on a topic she has very little understanding of" would be a better title. or "an accurate collection of misconceptions about feminism" + Show Spoiler +also form the article:
- Feminists don't want to be equal with men, they want to overpower men.
- Also, notice that feminists never encourage women to become construction workers or welders.
- Men and women were made FOR each other. (what?)
- I want you to do just as much as any man can do out there, and if you can match his production, then you can get your equal pay. Let's see how long you last.
- But wait, you don't want to have the same job as this welder. No, you'd rather be above him and dictate his every move as CEO, because you're a power hungry, self righteous bitch.
- Through a feminist's eyes, women who choose to stay at home are viewed as being victims of oppression.
- They believe that the freedom of being able to have an abortion is "empowering."(this whole point is a lot of "what the fuck" its like she forgot the title of the point was freedom to have, not having)
- They also say that men objectify women (aka, see them as a piece of meat), but that a woman should be able to dress however she desires without being stared down or lusted after by men. (are you trying to say this is a bad thing?)
- That's just how a man's brain is wired. (then she admits men objectify women and its a biotruth)
- I was raised by a father who loved me, protected me, and showed me what true masculinity was. (true masculinity?)
- I don't need some feminist telling me how I should dress, act, shave, think, vote, educate myself, and work (no one does that)
i'd actually be pretty embarrassed to link that. You attack the small details and yet ignore the main point. Feminists don't want equality, they want to be above men. They don't want to work the same jobs as men, they just want to work the top jobs and to have men work the physical labor jobs. They don't want to be in construction with men, they want to be their bosses, even if they aren't qualified to. Women already have equality, but feminists find more and more absurd things to cry about in America. None of what you just said is true. Go on... Or did you just plan on denying what I said and not actually providing any sort of evidence or counter argument? That's not a very good way to argue, just going "nope." For me to provide a counter-argument, there needs to be an argument in the first place. You just listed a series of things that, according to you, "feminists" want or don't want, and those things are not true. How about you provide "any sort of evidence" to support your claim that feminists "want to be above men"? You guys are the best debaters ever lol Two ppl providing 0 evidence for their claims and demanding the other one provide some for his. He is the one making the claim that feminists "want to be above men". I extensively discussed the aims of feminism earlier in the thread - if he's going to make that claim, the burden of evidence lies with him, just like you'd expect someone claiming that feminists want to eradicate men, or that socialists want to kill babies, to provide some evidence supporting the accusation. the article clearly explained how they want to be above men. they want CEO jobs. they don't want construction jobs. The burden of evidence then shifted onto you to disprove that statement. It doesn't matter what you said earlier in the thread. This is a completely new argument. When we found out that the earth isn't flat, the people who proved that the earth is round don't have to prove themselves anymore. Now the earth flat people will have to find a new evidence to outargue us. Of course, you are welcomed to argue the same points that you posted earlier in the thread. I myself would like to know what you think about the true aim of feminism. Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 05:09 Zealos wrote:
How can a man tell you what it is like to be a women? I think that makes sense.
And I agree with the 2nd one too. I am filled with deep rooted racist thoughts, and to try to get rid of them, I must be conscious of them whenever they effect me. You don't have to fight in WW2 to talk about WW2.
Jumperer, please check your message box.
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On April 04 2014 04:43 TheRealArtemis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 01:14 kwizach wrote:On April 04 2014 00:59 ffadicted wrote:On April 04 2014 00:35 kwizach wrote:On April 04 2014 00:23 hunts wrote:On April 04 2014 00:18 kwizach wrote:On April 04 2014 00:15 hunts wrote:On April 04 2014 00:09 ComaDose wrote:On April 03 2014 23:56 kwizach wrote:From the "article": Men and women aren't equal. We were made this way on purpose. I think "five reasons why this author should do a little research before spouting nonsense on a topic she has very little understanding of" would be a better title. or "an accurate collection of misconceptions about feminism" + Show Spoiler +also form the article:
- Feminists don't want to be equal with men, they want to overpower men.
- Also, notice that feminists never encourage women to become construction workers or welders.
- Men and women were made FOR each other. (what?)
- I want you to do just as much as any man can do out there, and if you can match his production, then you can get your equal pay. Let's see how long you last.
- But wait, you don't want to have the same job as this welder. No, you'd rather be above him and dictate his every move as CEO, because you're a power hungry, self righteous bitch.
- Through a feminist's eyes, women who choose to stay at home are viewed as being victims of oppression.
- They believe that the freedom of being able to have an abortion is "empowering."(this whole point is a lot of "what the fuck" its like she forgot the title of the point was freedom to have, not having)
- They also say that men objectify women (aka, see them as a piece of meat), but that a woman should be able to dress however she desires without being stared down or lusted after by men. (are you trying to say this is a bad thing?)
- That's just how a man's brain is wired. (then she admits men objectify women and its a biotruth)
- I was raised by a father who loved me, protected me, and showed me what true masculinity was. (true masculinity?)
- I don't need some feminist telling me how I should dress, act, shave, think, vote, educate myself, and work (no one does that)
i'd actually be pretty embarrassed to link that. You attack the small details and yet ignore the main point. Feminists don't want equality, they want to be above men. They don't want to work the same jobs as men, they just want to work the top jobs and to have men work the physical labor jobs. They don't want to be in construction with men, they want to be their bosses, even if they aren't qualified to. Women already have equality, but feminists find more and more absurd things to cry about in America. None of what you just said is true. Go on... Or did you just plan on denying what I said and not actually providing any sort of evidence or counter argument? That's not a very good way to argue, just going "nope." For me to provide a counter-argument, there needs to be an argument in the first place. You just listed a series of things that, according to you, "feminists" want or don't want, and those things are not true. How about you provide "any sort of evidence" to support your claim that feminists "want to be above men"? You guys are the best debaters ever lol Two ppl providing 0 evidence for their claims and demanding the other one provide some for his. He is the one making the claim that feminists "want to be above men". I extensively discussed the aims of feminism earlier in the thread - if he's going to make that claim, the burden of evidence lies with him, just like you'd expect someone claiming that feminists want to eradicate men, or that socialists want to kill babies, to provide some evidence supporting the accusation. Well in reality such a thing is/would be very hard to prove, since feminist can just reject those things are going on. However seminar, lectures about how evil white men (or just white people in general) are however happening. My favorite quotes. Show nested quote +"My partner, who is a man, can't tell you about feminism. He knows a lot about it. He considers himself a feminist, but you want to learn feminism from him? No," she commented during the session. "You need to learn feminism from a woman. You need to learn what it is like to be a woman from a woman. He can't teach that. I can't teach students of color nearly as well as a person of color can." Is this feminism? Or simply a lunatic given a microphone?
It would not be hard to prove if it was true - you would have to look at the positions of the authors who have had a major influence on feminism, and of the most important feminist organizations, and see if they believe that women should be "above men". Of course, if this was true, opponents of feminism would actually have something to substantiate their claims that feminists want women to be above men, but they don't.
With regards to your quote, I'm not sure how you interpret it as that person saying she thinks women are above men. What she is saying is that men cannot experience exactly what women experience (which is true). Personally, I completely disagree with her that this means a man cannot tell someone else about feminism, but her argument has absolutely nothing to do with saying that women should be above men.
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On April 04 2014 07:23 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 04:43 TheRealArtemis wrote:On April 04 2014 01:14 kwizach wrote:On April 04 2014 00:59 ffadicted wrote:On April 04 2014 00:35 kwizach wrote:On April 04 2014 00:23 hunts wrote:On April 04 2014 00:18 kwizach wrote:On April 04 2014 00:15 hunts wrote:On April 04 2014 00:09 ComaDose wrote:On April 03 2014 23:56 kwizach wrote:
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I think "five reasons why this author should do a little research before spouting nonsense on a topic she has very little understanding of" would be a better title. or "an accurate collection of misconceptions about feminism" + Show Spoiler +also form the article:
- Feminists don't want to be equal with men, they want to overpower men.
- Also, notice that feminists never encourage women to become construction workers or welders.
- Men and women were made FOR each other. (what?)
- I want you to do just as much as any man can do out there, and if you can match his production, then you can get your equal pay. Let's see how long you last.
- But wait, you don't want to have the same job as this welder. No, you'd rather be above him and dictate his every move as CEO, because you're a power hungry, self righteous bitch.
- Through a feminist's eyes, women who choose to stay at home are viewed as being victims of oppression.
- They believe that the freedom of being able to have an abortion is "empowering."(this whole point is a lot of "what the fuck" its like she forgot the title of the point was freedom to have, not having)
- They also say that men objectify women (aka, see them as a piece of meat), but that a woman should be able to dress however she desires without being stared down or lusted after by men. (are you trying to say this is a bad thing?)
- That's just how a man's brain is wired. (then she admits men objectify women and its a biotruth)
- I was raised by a father who loved me, protected me, and showed me what true masculinity was. (true masculinity?)
- I don't need some feminist telling me how I should dress, act, shave, think, vote, educate myself, and work (no one does that)
i'd actually be pretty embarrassed to link that. You attack the small details and yet ignore the main point. Feminists don't want equality, they want to be above men. They don't want to work the same jobs as men, they just want to work the top jobs and to have men work the physical labor jobs. They don't want to be in construction with men, they want to be their bosses, even if they aren't qualified to. Women already have equality, but feminists find more and more absurd things to cry about in America. None of what you just said is true. Go on... Or did you just plan on denying what I said and not actually providing any sort of evidence or counter argument? That's not a very good way to argue, just going "nope." For me to provide a counter-argument, there needs to be an argument in the first place. You just listed a series of things that, according to you, "feminists" want or don't want, and those things are not true. How about you provide "any sort of evidence" to support your claim that feminists "want to be above men"? You guys are the best debaters ever lol Two ppl providing 0 evidence for their claims and demanding the other one provide some for his. He is the one making the claim that feminists "want to be above men". I extensively discussed the aims of feminism earlier in the thread - if he's going to make that claim, the burden of evidence lies with him, just like you'd expect someone claiming that feminists want to eradicate men, or that socialists want to kill babies, to provide some evidence supporting the accusation. Well in reality such a thing is/would be very hard to prove, since feminist can just reject those things are going on. However seminar, lectures about how evil white men (or just white people in general) are however happening. My favorite quotes. "My partner, who is a man, can't tell you about feminism. He knows a lot about it. He considers himself a feminist, but you want to learn feminism from him? No," she commented during the session. "You need to learn feminism from a woman. You need to learn what it is like to be a woman from a woman. He can't teach that. I can't teach students of color nearly as well as a person of color can." Is this feminism? Or simply a lunatic given a microphone? It would not be hard to prove if it was true - you would have to look at the positions of the authors who have had a major influence on feminism, and of the most important feminist organizations, and see if they believe that women should be "above men". Of course, if this was true, opponents of feminism would actually have something to substantiate their claims that feminists want women to be above men, but they don't. With regards to your quote, I'm not sure how you interpret it as that person saying she thinks women are above men. What she is saying is that men cannot experience exactly what women experience (which is true). Personally, I completely disagree with her that this means a man cannot tell someone else about feminism, but her argument has absolutely nothing to do with saying that women should be above men.
Well personally I read it as she feel women are superior and men cannot and should not teach or discuss women issues. That a gender is incapable of understanding some ideology. Don't you think that sounds like women should be above men, especially regarding feminism?
Feminism isnt even about gender equality anymore. Its about how far can you stick your thumb inside the wound and convince the man he deserves it.
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