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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42394 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-27 19:32:51
December 27 2011 19:31 GMT
#21
The Soviet Story was a very interesting documentary. I suggest to check it out.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1305871/
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
December 27 2011 19:39 GMT
#22
One of the truly horrible things I heard from WW2 was from my great-uncle who fought in the Western Front for the British. He spent most of the war as a prisoner in a German camp. He said the British and Germans mostly got on very well; they were well treated and there wasn't really any ill feeling - both Germans and British just wanted the war to end and to go home. When the war finally did come to an end, the Americans who freed them decided to execute the commanding officer of the Germans for no reason. My great-uncle said he, and all the other prisoners, protested and told the Americans there was no reason to murder him, that the man was a good guy who was glad to see the camp taken so he could go home and see his kids - they were ignored and the man was murdered. I don't know what that German officer's children were told, nor his wife or anyone else, but it saddens me greatly to even think about it. It especially saddens me to know that whoever fired the shot and murdered him will have gone home and been treated as a hero because he happened to be on the right side, while that man's family will likely never mention his death and carry some shame because he was on the wrong one.

I know it was a tragic period of history, and maybe that doesn't seem particularly bad, but to me it's a poignant example of how horrible war is.


That said, and this is slightly off topic, I do feel as though WW2 gets too much exposure. It makes up about 50% of history programmes that you see. It was important and it's recent, but history is a lot larger and I think we can learn a lot more from studying a wider variety of events.
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Sithelin123
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada168 Posts
December 27 2011 19:46 GMT
#23
On December 28 2011 04:39 FuzzyJAM wrote:
One of the truly horrible things I heard from WW2 was from my great-uncle who fought in the Western Front for the British. He spent most of the war as a prisoner in a German camp. He said the British and Germans mostly got on very well; they were well treated and there wasn't really any ill feeling - both Germans and British just wanted the war to end and to go home. When the war finally did come to an end, the Americans who freed them decided to execute the commanding officer of the Germans for no reason. My great-uncle said he, and all the other prisoners, protested and told the Americans there was no reason to murder him, that the man was a good guy who was glad to see the camp taken so he could go home and see his kids - they were ignored and the man was murdered. I don't know what that German officer's children were told, nor his wife or anyone else, but it saddens me greatly to even think about it. It especially saddens me to know that whoever fired the shot and murdered him will have gone home and been treated as a hero because he happened to be on the right side, while that man's family will likely never mention his death and carry some shame because he was on the wrong one.

I know it was a tragic period of history, and maybe that doesn't seem particularly bad, but to me it's a poignant example of how horrible war is.


That said, and this is slightly off topic, I do feel as though WW2 gets too much exposure. It makes up about 50% of history programmes that you see. It was important and it's recent, but history is a lot larger and I think we can learn a lot more from studying a wider variety of events.


WW2 gets a ton of exposure because its cool to watch. History channels need to keep their ratings up. They can't do that showing documentaries about life in America in the late 1920s.
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
December 27 2011 19:48 GMT
#24
On December 28 2011 04:46 Sithelin123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2011 04:39 FuzzyJAM wrote:
One of the truly horrible things I heard from WW2 was from my great-uncle who fought in the Western Front for the British. He spent most of the war as a prisoner in a German camp. He said the British and Germans mostly got on very well; they were well treated and there wasn't really any ill feeling - both Germans and British just wanted the war to end and to go home. When the war finally did come to an end, the Americans who freed them decided to execute the commanding officer of the Germans for no reason. My great-uncle said he, and all the other prisoners, protested and told the Americans there was no reason to murder him, that the man was a good guy who was glad to see the camp taken so he could go home and see his kids - they were ignored and the man was murdered. I don't know what that German officer's children were told, nor his wife or anyone else, but it saddens me greatly to even think about it. It especially saddens me to know that whoever fired the shot and murdered him will have gone home and been treated as a hero because he happened to be on the right side, while that man's family will likely never mention his death and carry some shame because he was on the wrong one.

I know it was a tragic period of history, and maybe that doesn't seem particularly bad, but to me it's a poignant example of how horrible war is.


That said, and this is slightly off topic, I do feel as though WW2 gets too much exposure. It makes up about 50% of history programmes that you see. It was important and it's recent, but history is a lot larger and I think we can learn a lot more from studying a wider variety of events.


WW2 gets a ton of exposure because its cool to watch. History channels need to keep their ratings up. They can't do that showing documentaries about life in America in the late 1920s.


But the late 1920's was fucking awesome.
Sithelin123
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada168 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-27 19:50:34
December 27 2011 19:48 GMT
#25
On December 28 2011 04:31 Archie_Lewis wrote:
Oh man. My dad used to watch WW2 documentaries on the telly all the time. When other kids were watching cartoons and child stuff, I was watching WW2 documentaries.



What sort of miserable childhood was this
Sithelin123
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada168 Posts
December 27 2011 19:49 GMT
#26
On December 28 2011 04:48 Fruscainte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2011 04:46 Sithelin123 wrote:
On December 28 2011 04:39 FuzzyJAM wrote:
One of the truly horrible things I heard from WW2 was from my great-uncle who fought in the Western Front for the British. He spent most of the war as a prisoner in a German camp. He said the British and Germans mostly got on very well; they were well treated and there wasn't really any ill feeling - both Germans and British just wanted the war to end and to go home. When the war finally did come to an end, the Americans who freed them decided to execute the commanding officer of the Germans for no reason. My great-uncle said he, and all the other prisoners, protested and told the Americans there was no reason to murder him, that the man was a good guy who was glad to see the camp taken so he could go home and see his kids - they were ignored and the man was murdered. I don't know what that German officer's children were told, nor his wife or anyone else, but it saddens me greatly to even think about it. It especially saddens me to know that whoever fired the shot and murdered him will have gone home and been treated as a hero because he happened to be on the right side, while that man's family will likely never mention his death and carry some shame because he was on the wrong one.

I know it was a tragic period of history, and maybe that doesn't seem particularly bad, but to me it's a poignant example of how horrible war is.


That said, and this is slightly off topic, I do feel as though WW2 gets too much exposure. It makes up about 50% of history programmes that you see. It was important and it's recent, but history is a lot larger and I think we can learn a lot more from studying a wider variety of events.


WW2 gets a ton of exposure because its cool to watch. History channels need to keep their ratings up. They can't do that showing documentaries about life in America in the late 1920s.


But the late 1920's was fucking awesome.


I dont know. In high school I remember being bored to tears when we got to them and just wanted to do World War 2. Though that was Canada in the 1920s so maybe its different.
Cush
Profile Joined September 2010
United States646 Posts
December 27 2011 19:49 GMT
#27
On December 28 2011 04:48 Fruscainte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2011 04:46 Sithelin123 wrote:
On December 28 2011 04:39 FuzzyJAM wrote:
One of the truly horrible things I heard from WW2 was from my great-uncle who fought in the Western Front for the British. He spent most of the war as a prisoner in a German camp. He said the British and Germans mostly got on very well; they were well treated and there wasn't really any ill feeling - both Germans and British just wanted the war to end and to go home. When the war finally did come to an end, the Americans who freed them decided to execute the commanding officer of the Germans for no reason. My great-uncle said he, and all the other prisoners, protested and told the Americans there was no reason to murder him, that the man was a good guy who was glad to see the camp taken so he could go home and see his kids - they were ignored and the man was murdered. I don't know what that German officer's children were told, nor his wife or anyone else, but it saddens me greatly to even think about it. It especially saddens me to know that whoever fired the shot and murdered him will have gone home and been treated as a hero because he happened to be on the right side, while that man's family will likely never mention his death and carry some shame because he was on the wrong one.

I know it was a tragic period of history, and maybe that doesn't seem particularly bad, but to me it's a poignant example of how horrible war is.


That said, and this is slightly off topic, I do feel as though WW2 gets too much exposure. It makes up about 50% of history programmes that you see. It was important and it's recent, but history is a lot larger and I think we can learn a lot more from studying a wider variety of events.


WW2 gets a ton of exposure because its cool to watch. History channels need to keep their ratings up. They can't do that showing documentaries about life in America in the late 1920s.


But the late 1920's was fucking awesome.

Until the depression.
"That's not your main base Stardust.....Stardust.....that's not your main" Sayle
NationInArms
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1553 Posts
December 27 2011 19:49 GMT
#28
On December 28 2011 04:48 Sithelin123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2011 04:31 Archie_Lewis wrote:
Oh man. My dad used to watch WW2 documentaries on the telly all the time. When other kids were watching cartoons and child stuff, I was watching WW2 documentaries.



What sort of miserable childhood was this :|


Miserable, that was my childhood too, and it was fantastic! You're the one missing out.
BW for life | Fantasy, MMA, SlayerS_Boxer | Taengoo! n_n | "Lelouch vi Britannia commands you! Obey me, subjects! OBEY ME, WORLD!" | <3 Emi
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
December 27 2011 19:52 GMT
#29
On December 28 2011 04:49 Cush wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2011 04:48 Fruscainte wrote:
On December 28 2011 04:46 Sithelin123 wrote:
On December 28 2011 04:39 FuzzyJAM wrote:
One of the truly horrible things I heard from WW2 was from my great-uncle who fought in the Western Front for the British. He spent most of the war as a prisoner in a German camp. He said the British and Germans mostly got on very well; they were well treated and there wasn't really any ill feeling - both Germans and British just wanted the war to end and to go home. When the war finally did come to an end, the Americans who freed them decided to execute the commanding officer of the Germans for no reason. My great-uncle said he, and all the other prisoners, protested and told the Americans there was no reason to murder him, that the man was a good guy who was glad to see the camp taken so he could go home and see his kids - they were ignored and the man was murdered. I don't know what that German officer's children were told, nor his wife or anyone else, but it saddens me greatly to even think about it. It especially saddens me to know that whoever fired the shot and murdered him will have gone home and been treated as a hero because he happened to be on the right side, while that man's family will likely never mention his death and carry some shame because he was on the wrong one.

I know it was a tragic period of history, and maybe that doesn't seem particularly bad, but to me it's a poignant example of how horrible war is.


That said, and this is slightly off topic, I do feel as though WW2 gets too much exposure. It makes up about 50% of history programmes that you see. It was important and it's recent, but history is a lot larger and I think we can learn a lot more from studying a wider variety of events.


WW2 gets a ton of exposure because its cool to watch. History channels need to keep their ratings up. They can't do that showing documentaries about life in America in the late 1920s.


But the late 1920's was fucking awesome.

Until the depression.


Details.
SilentchiLL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany1405 Posts
December 27 2011 19:52 GMT
#30
On December 28 2011 04:26 RezChi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2011 04:15 tdt wrote:
War to end all wars was biggest myth. Or was that WW1?

WWII was the war to end all wars, WWI was the "The Great war".


Actually every big war was called like that once or twice and that nickname wasn't really new, if I remember correctlyeven Alexander's great raid was called like that(well probably something similiar but the meaning was the same).
possum, sed nolo - Real men play random. ___ "Who the fuck is Kyle?!" C*****EX
Sithelin123
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada168 Posts
December 27 2011 19:53 GMT
#31
On December 28 2011 04:49 NationInArms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2011 04:48 Sithelin123 wrote:
On December 28 2011 04:31 Archie_Lewis wrote:
Oh man. My dad used to watch WW2 documentaries on the telly all the time. When other kids were watching cartoons and child stuff, I was watching WW2 documentaries.



What sort of miserable childhood was this :|


Miserable, that was my childhood too, and it was fantastic! You're the one missing out.


Hell no man, 1990s for life. Was a decade of epic Disney movies and awesome kids anime. Everyone liked them and always tons of stuff to talk and fantasize about.
RezChi
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2368 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-27 19:55:18
December 27 2011 19:54 GMT
#32
On December 28 2011 04:52 SilentchiLL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2011 04:26 RezChi wrote:
On December 28 2011 04:15 tdt wrote:
War to end all wars was biggest myth. Or was that WW1?

WWII was the war to end all wars, WWI was the "The Great war".


Actually every big war was called like that once or twice and that nickname wasn't really new, if I remember correctlyeven Alexander's great raid was called like that(well probably something similiar but the meaning was the same).

That was what i was taught in history class, meehhh Canadian bias i guess O_o

On December 28 2011 04:48 Sithelin123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2011 04:31 Archie_Lewis wrote:
Oh man. My dad used to watch WW2 documentaries on the telly all the time. When other kids were watching cartoons and child stuff, I was watching WW2 documentaries.



What sort of miserable childhood was this

Lol i had the same childhood, was pretty awesome when i got to school and told like grade 1s about WWII i was finally center of attention for once ;D
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
December 27 2011 19:57 GMT
#33
On December 28 2011 04:09 Sithelin123 wrote:
I like World War 2 cause it resulted in Company of Heroes getting made. It is one of my favorite RTS games of all time. Also, Eastern front >>>>>>> Western front in epicness, Too bad that CoH didn't have an Eastern front version

one of the dumbest posts i've ever read.
This is our town, scrub
SilentchiLL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany1405 Posts
December 27 2011 19:58 GMT
#34
On December 28 2011 04:54 RezChi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2011 04:52 SilentchiLL wrote:
On December 28 2011 04:26 RezChi wrote:
On December 28 2011 04:15 tdt wrote:
War to end all wars was biggest myth. Or was that WW1?

WWII was the war to end all wars, WWI was the "The Great war".


Actually every big war was called like that once or twice and that nickname wasn't really new, if I remember correctlyeven Alexander's great raid was called like that(well probably something similiar but the meaning was the same).

That was what i was taught in history class, meehhh Canadian bias i guess O_o

Show nested quote +
On December 28 2011 04:48 Sithelin123 wrote:
On December 28 2011 04:31 Archie_Lewis wrote:
Oh man. My dad used to watch WW2 documentaries on the telly all the time. When other kids were watching cartoons and child stuff, I was watching WW2 documentaries.



What sort of miserable childhood was this

Lol i had the same childhood, was pretty awesome when i got to school and told like grade 1s about WWII i was finally center of attention for once ;D



Well it's kinda obvious to call em like that, I read a speech of a british politician who gave arguments for the british imperialism and their need to take over africa(and lateron throughg that probably the world) and his second last argument was the end of all wars when it's done.
possum, sed nolo - Real men play random. ___ "Who the fuck is Kyle?!" C*****EX
Kickboxer
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Slovenia1308 Posts
December 27 2011 20:04 GMT
#35
It's funny and awe inspiring how anyone who fucks with mother Russia gets utterly thrashed. The soviet are pretty badass when it comes to warfare.
Sithelin123
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada168 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-27 20:07:27
December 27 2011 20:05 GMT
#36
On December 28 2011 05:04 Kickboxer wrote:
It's funny and awe inspiring how anyone who fucks with mother Russia gets utterly thrashed. The soviet are pretty badass when it comes to warfare.


The mongols kicked their asses didnt they? Plus the Russians are only all that great when defending. Their offensive history is anything but spectacular.
LolitsPing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States285 Posts
December 27 2011 20:09 GMT
#37
On December 28 2011 05:05 Sithelin123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2011 05:04 Kickboxer wrote:
It's funny and awe inspiring how anyone who fucks with mother Russia gets utterly thrashed. The soviet are pretty badass when it comes to warfare.


The mongols kicked their asses didnt they? Plus the Russians are only all that great when defending. Their offensive history is anything but spectacular.


Back when Genghis Khan was rolling around because he was able to use the Russian winter to his advantage (his horses could ride over frozen rivers) but ever since, no one's been able to successfully invade Russia because for some reason EVERYONE DOES IT DURING THE WINTER

You expect people to learn by now right =P
Citius, Altius, Fortius
SilentchiLL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany1405 Posts
December 27 2011 20:10 GMT
#38
On December 28 2011 05:04 Kickboxer wrote:
It's funny and awe inspiring how anyone who fucks with mother Russia gets utterly thrashed. The soviet are pretty badass when it comes to warfare.



Under another topic and if you would've chosen other words to express you opinion I probably would've let this slip and just shrugged but like this I have to quote something from the op for you


The Soviets destroyed 75-80% of all German divisions -- 4 million soldiers -- and most of the Luftwaffe. Russia lost at least 14 million soldiers


So the efficiency of the German soldiers against the Russian soldiers should be around 350% and maybe higher, although they fought in the russian winter.
possum, sed nolo - Real men play random. ___ "Who the fuck is Kyle?!" C*****EX
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14110 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-27 20:16:49
December 27 2011 20:14 GMT
#39
your prospect saying that the Japanese had 0 chance of winning is pretty silly. America was down to just the enterprise as its only carrier in the entire pacific and even then it was heavily damaged While the japan imperial navy had its 4 carriers and an abusively superior gun fleet. The japs had a god level fighter in the zero at the beginning and had every other class of air craft pegged far above the american counter parts. half-way into the war this flipped as the japs were never able to manufacture replacements or even develop new craft. The real strength of the US navy during the pacific theater was its subs who hunted and killed

The Japanese lost to the Russians because they had armor... armor that they had been developing intensity for years while the Japanese were amazed by a light armor model. The Japanese didn't open up a Russian front because of its ongoing war with the Chinese factions and it simply didn't have the industry to build steel to do anything in a modern battlefield.

the germens and the British had remained somewhat friendly because of their alliance that took down Napoleon in the last of the wars. that relationship between the two had kept the peace all the way until ww1.

And you have to understand WW2 is like the greatest moment for america. they could do no wrong and won everything everywhere.

playing Hearts of iron 3 you really do get that feeling of a east west front divide of relevancy. The invasion of Normandy was in danger of a few panzer divisions while the Russians had to contend with whole armies of them for years across a front from sea (Baltic) to sea(Black-Adriatic)

Good thread
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NomaD.
Profile Joined February 2011
Romania42 Posts
December 27 2011 20:16 GMT
#40
"Old man are starting a war , the young ones fight in it !" -COD 2
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