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radiatoren
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Denmark1907 Posts
September 12 2013 10:26 GMT
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Henrik Svensmark has published a press release on his latest finding on cosmic rays and the influence on formation of molecular clusters large enough for water to condense on.

It has previously been assumed that cosmic rays could not form large enough clusters to create condensation, not least because of other earlier experiments. However, it has now been pretty well proven that the particle cluster formation can increase with cosmic radiation and that the clusers size can reach a large enough size to be cloud condensation nuclei.

The potential effect of the research is pretty significant for climate science given how important clouds are in the models. If cosmic rays are a significant part of cloud formation it could severely screw with weather predictions from IPCC.

Be aware that this is early POC-state research. Therefore there is a long way for it to be scientifically sound and even Svensmark makes that clear. Also, it is not part of proof agains climate change as a phenomenon, but supports more of a "Manmade contributions are less significant"/"The effects in IPCCs predictions are exagerated" if they turn out to be reproduceable, scalable and important in the real world.

Svensmark is doing solid research, while being sceptical of climate change. He is among the most recognized sceptical scientists still doing relevant research that interacts with IPCCs models.

The paper is under Elsevier copyright terms (remember to read the specific notice!) but can be accessed from his press release.
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dabbeljuh
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany159 Posts
September 13 2013 14:24 GMT
#1202
Hey radiatoren,

that is an interesting experiment. It is in the same vain (is that even the correct word? vein? whatever°) as the CERN experiments
http://home.web.cern.ch/about/experiments/cloud

There must somewhere be a result paper that shows that preliminary (!) results show that the resulting cloud nuclei are too small for practical relevance, but I believe everybody in climate science agrees that these experiments should conitnue and should be done in as many different places as possible, to ensure a balanced analysis.

Lets see what the future brings wrt cosmic rays and cloud formation!

Best regards and a nice weekend to everyone

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