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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
Ban people from driving in the dark in a country where there's practically NO daylight in mid december? Breathalyzer I can agree on. Automatic speed-lock would take all the fun out of driving for me (probably a good thing for traffic safety ^^). Anyway, people would probably just hack both systems. Breathalyzers for inconvenience mostly, speed-locks because of many people like speeding once in a while (for different reasons). Silly fucking law, with some good parts that should be discussed. | ||
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NoRush20
Canada30 Posts
On November 15 2011 18:46 Kickboxer wrote: Women don't drive recklessly. It's a statistical fact. While they do create chaos in traffic by being indecisive and slow, they practically never "race" like your average asshole kid (who most of the time can't even drive) and are also radically less prone to driving drunk. Not sure why everything is considered discrimination these days. I for one totally agree with you: ban women off the roads entirely, and impose those restrictions on men aged 18-24. | ||
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Raneth
England527 Posts
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BuddhaMonk
781 Posts
Statistically you could make many policies that would make sense but people would label discriminatory, racist, or prejudiced in some other manner. I can't decide whether using statistics more in policy making it's a good thing or bad thing  I'm sure one could come up with similar policies using the same logic that this same Norwegian politician would disapprove of. | ||
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Rebornlife
Canada224 Posts
In general, males are more skilled drivers. ( But also over-confident) Women get in more accidents, but are generally less serious accidents than the ones males get into. ( Girls I find are generally under-confident, and get into accidents because of lack of attention or not knowing what to do in a situation. Guys I find tend to get in more "stupidity" accidents invloving speed or being a jackass) I know TONNES of girls that have gotten in at fault accidents, while very few guys. Obviously this is based on only people I know, but I think it's generally correct. There are obviously many exceptions, and I know lots of good female drivers, as well as bad male drivers. | ||
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QuackPocketDuck
410 Posts
Had my learner license at 15(in newzealand, i think law changed to 16 now) and had my licence / car when i was 16. people around me of all ages (family, friends) only benefited from me being mobile. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8243 Posts
On November 16 2011 12:30 Rebornlife wrote: Being an 18 year old thats around cars quite a bit, and knowing hundreds of people in this age range that drive, I feel confident in saying a few things: In general, males are more skilled drivers. ( But also over-confident) Women get in more accidents, but are generally less serious accidents than the ones males get into. ( Girls I find are generally under-confident, and get into accidents because of lack of attention or not knowing what to do in a situation. Guys I find tend to get in more "stupidity" accidents invloving speed or being a jackass) I know TONNES of girls that have gotten in at fault accidents, while very few guys. Obviously this is based on only people I know, but I think it's generally correct. There are obviously many exceptions, and I know lots of good female drivers, as well as bad male drivers. Ah crap. I was about to write this exact post Let me add some more of my own thoughts: Fitting alcholocks on cars does sound like a good idea, but its not applicable. This is the same goverment that refuses so much to spend money, that they neglect, on purpose, to salt/plow the roads in the winter (which of course is terribly short sighted considering people crash more on these exact same roads). The easiest way to do this, would be to fit alcholocks only on new cars. But 1. No 18 year old drive new cars and 2. This would only raise the used market on cars significantly, which again would give less money to the goverment (who takes a stupidly high amount of taxes on every new car imported and sold), and would just end up rising the accident statistics even more as newer cars are generally safer than older. That said. Personally an alcholock wouldn't be a problem for me. But a speedlock is something I would wire around. I always sit somewhere around 10-20 km/h over the speedlimit when driving long distances by myself in the dark. Not to mention there are quite a few trackdays in Norway, which means there would need to be some way to turn it off, which defeats the purpose of it to begin with. Also, as some people have touched on. We don't have daylight in Norway. The little there is is seen outside the window during classes or work. This means that no male between 18-24 can drive to or from work.. | ||
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discodancer
United States280 Posts
On November 16 2011 12:30 Rebornlife wrote: Being an 18 year old thats around cars quite a bit, and knowing hundreds of people in this age range that drive, I feel confident in saying a few things: In general, males are more skilled drivers. ( But also over-confident) Women get in more accidents, but are generally less serious accidents than the ones males get into. ( Girls I find are generally under-confident, and get into accidents because of lack of attention or not knowing what to do in a situation. Guys I find tend to get in more "stupidity" accidents invloving speed or being a jackass) I know TONNES of girls that have gotten in at fault accidents, while very few guys. Obviously this is based on only people I know, but I think it's generally correct. There are obviously many exceptions, and I know lots of good female drivers, as well as bad male drivers. Anecdotes are nice and all, but most of the time what you think is not very important. Here's some actual evidence: http://editorial.autos.msn.com/article.aspx?cp-documentid=788126 | ||
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Sworn
Canada920 Posts
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discodancer
United States280 Posts
On November 16 2011 14:20 Sworn wrote: As far as i know the last statistics I heard females caused over 50% of accidents and while a demographic of the male percentage is young males (We love to go fast) then by the same logic we should ban females from driving. It's stupid besides the alcohol lock (dunno how this works though.) You read anything besides what you've heard? Somehow people in this thread are way denser than average TL user. | ||
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gameguard
Korea (South)2132 Posts
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Sworn
Canada920 Posts
On November 16 2011 14:32 discodancer wrote: You read anything besides what you've heard? Somehow people in this thread are way denser than average TL user. Apparently you don't. Women are involved in more crashes than men, it is not some absurd spread like 75-25 its is more like 55-45. Women cause 10% more accidents usually rear ends while men average more highspeed crashes. So yes I do read more than what I have heard. Apparently you haven't though. | ||
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TheGiftedApe
United States1243 Posts
It's already illegal to drive drunk right? It's already illegal too speed on public streets right? It's already illegal to street race right? It's already illegal to crash into other people, you see where i am going with this hopefully. Yet it sounds like kids are still doing it. So all this law is really going to do is put people who are doing something completely reasonable in the wrong(kids who drive responsibly) and they will be arrested for doing something that is not wrong. The kids who are stupid and want to race are going to do it anyways. Does this lady seriously think shes going to install speed-lock systems and "after dark" sensors in everycar in the country?!?? Are officers going to be instructed to pull people over at night if they look like they are under 23 or whatever?!? just sounds ridiculous to me. "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." The major problem with this is that, you can't enforce these laws, and stupid kids who are already breaking the law aren't going to care if they are breaking 1 more. I wouldn't even be surprised if this caused an INCREASE in the amount of traffic accidents as kids breaking the law would drive recklessly as to not be caught by the police. The People in this thread arguing that is not discrimination are approaching borderline insanity, maybe they need to check a dictionary. Oh herp derp, men are more likely to have heart attacks then women, maybe we shouldn't let men have hearts, that's the same logic you are arguing. Or people who drink alcohol are more likely to drink and drive!, so no one can drink anymore! People who smoke cigarettes are more likely to do harder drugs than non-smokers so no one can smoke anymore! Asian people are better at math, so all math related jobs must go to an asian person! This is why discrimination is dangerous, and why small things like this being passed into law can be very dangerous to society, because where does it stop. on a side note, I think we can all agree old people are by far the worst drivers. obviously the alcohol locks and speed locks are great things and should be standard on all new cars in all countries. But seriously how could you implement something like this, is the government going to fit the bill for installing thousands of dollars of equipment on my 800$ 1996 nissan beater with 200,000 miles on it? are they expecting me to pay thousands of dollars for equipment for my p.o.s car? | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
But more effective would be impound and massive fine when caught over speeding by a huge margin or drink driving but i don't see that working legally (People will always appeal and shits). I think more importantly it's about learning driving. A lot of young or new drivers gets smart and careless after a few years of driving and they think that they can handle speeding, but if they get into a minor accident and learned that they are not invincible then they get more careful later on. | ||
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discodancer
United States280 Posts
On November 16 2011 15:39 Sworn wrote: Apparently you don't. Women are involved in more crashes than men, it is not some absurd spread like 75-25 its is more like 55-45. Women cause 10% more accidents usually rear ends while men average more highspeed crashes. So yes I do read more than what I have heard. Apparently you haven't though. I haven't that's why I'm providing a source. Make more sense plz. Again, check out the sources, see for yourself who does most damage. Look at this particular age group in question. Realize how stupid you are. | ||
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TheGiftedApe
United States1243 Posts
On November 16 2011 16:53 discodancer wrote: I haven't that's why I'm providing a source. Make more sense plz. Again, check out the sources, see for yourself who does most damage. Look at this particular age group in question. Realize how stupid you are. You provided a source to 1 article paid for an studied by insurance companies, in one country. Hardly ground breaking 100% solid scientific proof. Stop being a jackass and calling everyone stupid. This is a topic that cannot just be proven by a couple stats of who gets in more accidents. | ||
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Deadeight
United Kingdom1629 Posts
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
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Dystisis
Norway713 Posts
This. I think that you are taking it out of line OP and being much too defensive. It's not that women are trying to overthrow men or something, she is legitimately trying to reduce the amounts of collisions in your country and for that you should be for it. If those restrictions were imposed upon men in Norway then I can guarantee you that the collision rate would plummet as those are the very people that cause the most collisions in the world. You two are simply choosing to look at things solely from a gender perspective. You say that "women don't drive recklessly". Well, have you considered that the majority of men don't drive recklessly as well? Instead of simply chopping the public into two groups (male and female) and look at the statistical rate of the two groups and see that men drive more recklessly than women on average, you should chop the public into smaller groups until you find the real demographic which drives the worst (in which case almost the entire demographic drives bad). If you don't do that, you have the vast majority of 50% suffering along with a small minority of 50% of the population (males). That is, if you absolutely have to have this approach to road safety, which is weird to begin with. If there is a group with higher risk of dangerous road incidents then that group needs education or other means and preventive work, not outright illegality. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11783 Posts
On November 16 2011 16:34 haduken wrote: I'm totally down for the alcohol lock, too many hoons in my city... But more effective would be impound and massive fine when caught over speeding by a huge margin or drink driving but i don't see that working legally (People will always appeal and shits). I think more importantly it's about learning driving. A lot of young or new drivers gets smart and careless after a few years of driving and they think that they can handle speeding, but if they get into a minor accident and learned that they are not invincible then they get more careful later on. I find it funny that everyone agrees on this while completely ignoring the fact that the technology simply does not exist. In my opinion, cars should be banned and an instant teleportation system be put into it's place. There is simply no reason to drive anywhere when you could just step onto a pad and be there instantly. Also this reduces the amount of car crashes to zero for everyone, everywhere. | ||
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