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We are extremely close to shutting down this thread for the same reasons the PUA thread was shut down. While some of the time this thread contains actual discussion with people asking help and people giving nice advice, it often gets derailed by rubbish that should not be here. The moderation team will be trying to steer this thread in a different direction from now on.

Posts of the following nature are banned:
1) ANYTHING regarding PUA. If your post contains the words 'alpha' or 'beta' or anything of that sort please don't hit post.
2) Stupid brags. You can tell us about your nice success stories with someone, but posts such as 'lol 50 Tinder matches' are a no-no.
3) Any misogynistic bullshit, including discussion about rape culture.
4) One night stands and random sex. These are basically brags that invariably devolve into gender role discussions and misogynistic comments.

Last chance, guys. This thread is for dating advice and sharing dating stories. While gender roles, sociocultural norms, and our biological imperative to reproduce are all tangentially related, these subjects are not the main purpose of the thread. Please AVOID these discussions. If you want to discuss them at length, go to PMs or start a blog. If you disagree with someone's ideologies, state that you disagree with them and why they won't work from a dating standpoint and move on. We will not tolerate any lengthy derailments that aren't directly about dating.
Killscreen
Profile Joined February 2012
188 Posts
September 12 2013 14:37 GMT
#5481
On September 12 2013 23:00 farvacola wrote:
Nah, your delicate sensibilities are not my concern, and when PUA attitudes combine with teenage ignorance and a gross older man, I see no harm in calling a spade a spade. Cloud regularly gives terrible, ill founded advice that oftentimes reads like the back cover of some sticky book on gaming women. If that's the sort of dating world you want to live in, fine. Just don't get hissy when others find it in bad taste and are willing to say so.

This is just more judgmental prejudice. There is not a single rational argument among all that drivel.
Your personal taste really isn't relevant here, but yeah, really brave of you to share it.
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-12 14:50:37
September 12 2013 14:48 GMT
#5482
On September 12 2013 23:37 Killscreen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2013 23:00 farvacola wrote:
Nah, your delicate sensibilities are not my concern, and when PUA attitudes combine with teenage ignorance and a gross older man, I see no harm in calling a spade a spade. Cloud regularly gives terrible, ill founded advice that oftentimes reads like the back cover of some sticky book on gaming women. If that's the sort of dating world you want to live in, fine. Just don't get hissy when others find it in bad taste and are willing to say so.

This is just more judgmental prejudice. There is not a single rational argument among all that drivel.
Your personal taste really isn't relevant here, but yeah, really brave of you to share it.

oh aye his judgmental prejudice was don't rape people mate you just jumped on the age he mentioned to defend your desires?

EDIT: "You should have sex with her. What people say =/= what people want."
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
Killscreen
Profile Joined February 2012
188 Posts
September 12 2013 14:57 GMT
#5483
On September 12 2013 23:48 ComaDose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2013 23:37 Killscreen wrote:
On September 12 2013 23:00 farvacola wrote:
Nah, your delicate sensibilities are not my concern, and when PUA attitudes combine with teenage ignorance and a gross older man, I see no harm in calling a spade a spade. Cloud regularly gives terrible, ill founded advice that oftentimes reads like the back cover of some sticky book on gaming women. If that's the sort of dating world you want to live in, fine. Just don't get hissy when others find it in bad taste and are willing to say so.

This is just more judgmental prejudice. There is not a single rational argument among all that drivel.
Your personal taste really isn't relevant here, but yeah, really brave of you to share it.

oh aye his judgmental prejudice was don't rape people mate you just jumped on the age he mentioned to defend your desires?

EDIT: "You should have sex with her. What people say =/= what people want."

..and that, in your mind, means condoning rape?
It doesn't. It just means that people aren't always honest about their desires, even with themselves.
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
September 12 2013 14:57 GMT
#5484
On September 12 2013 23:57 Killscreen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2013 23:48 ComaDose wrote:
On September 12 2013 23:37 Killscreen wrote:
On September 12 2013 23:00 farvacola wrote:
Nah, your delicate sensibilities are not my concern, and when PUA attitudes combine with teenage ignorance and a gross older man, I see no harm in calling a spade a spade. Cloud regularly gives terrible, ill founded advice that oftentimes reads like the back cover of some sticky book on gaming women. If that's the sort of dating world you want to live in, fine. Just don't get hissy when others find it in bad taste and are willing to say so.

This is just more judgmental prejudice. There is not a single rational argument among all that drivel.
Your personal taste really isn't relevant here, but yeah, really brave of you to share it.

oh aye his judgmental prejudice was don't rape people mate you just jumped on the age he mentioned to defend your desires?

EDIT: "You should have sex with her. What people say =/= what people want."

..and that, in your mind, means condoning rape?
It doesn't. It just means that people aren't always honest about their desires, even with themselves.

pretty sure if someone says no it means no
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18876 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-12 15:01:05
September 12 2013 15:00 GMT
#5485
On September 12 2013 23:57 Killscreen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2013 23:48 ComaDose wrote:
On September 12 2013 23:37 Killscreen wrote:
On September 12 2013 23:00 farvacola wrote:
Nah, your delicate sensibilities are not my concern, and when PUA attitudes combine with teenage ignorance and a gross older man, I see no harm in calling a spade a spade. Cloud regularly gives terrible, ill founded advice that oftentimes reads like the back cover of some sticky book on gaming women. If that's the sort of dating world you want to live in, fine. Just don't get hissy when others find it in bad taste and are willing to say so.

This is just more judgmental prejudice. There is not a single rational argument among all that drivel.
Your personal taste really isn't relevant here, but yeah, really brave of you to share it.

oh aye his judgmental prejudice was don't rape people mate you just jumped on the age he mentioned to defend your desires?

EDIT: "You should have sex with her. What people say =/= what people want."

..and that, in your mind, means condoning rape?
It doesn't. It just means that people aren't always honest about their desires, even with themselves.

No, he's specifically saying that, based on the tiny bit of info available, he knows that this woman wants to have sex. The stupidity in that ought to be self-evident.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Killscreen
Profile Joined February 2012
188 Posts
September 12 2013 15:02 GMT
#5486
On September 12 2013 23:57 ComaDose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2013 23:57 Killscreen wrote:
On September 12 2013 23:48 ComaDose wrote:
On September 12 2013 23:37 Killscreen wrote:
On September 12 2013 23:00 farvacola wrote:
Nah, your delicate sensibilities are not my concern, and when PUA attitudes combine with teenage ignorance and a gross older man, I see no harm in calling a spade a spade. Cloud regularly gives terrible, ill founded advice that oftentimes reads like the back cover of some sticky book on gaming women. If that's the sort of dating world you want to live in, fine. Just don't get hissy when others find it in bad taste and are willing to say so.

This is just more judgmental prejudice. There is not a single rational argument among all that drivel.
Your personal taste really isn't relevant here, but yeah, really brave of you to share it.

oh aye his judgmental prejudice was don't rape people mate you just jumped on the age he mentioned to defend your desires?

EDIT: "You should have sex with her. What people say =/= what people want."

..and that, in your mind, means condoning rape?
It doesn't. It just means that people aren't always honest about their desires, even with themselves.

pretty sure if someone says no it means no

Yeah, it doesn't necessarily. Common misconception.

User was warned for this post
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
September 12 2013 15:03 GMT
#5487
On September 13 2013 00:02 Killscreen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2013 23:57 ComaDose wrote:
On September 12 2013 23:57 Killscreen wrote:
On September 12 2013 23:48 ComaDose wrote:
On September 12 2013 23:37 Killscreen wrote:
On September 12 2013 23:00 farvacola wrote:
Nah, your delicate sensibilities are not my concern, and when PUA attitudes combine with teenage ignorance and a gross older man, I see no harm in calling a spade a spade. Cloud regularly gives terrible, ill founded advice that oftentimes reads like the back cover of some sticky book on gaming women. If that's the sort of dating world you want to live in, fine. Just don't get hissy when others find it in bad taste and are willing to say so.

This is just more judgmental prejudice. There is not a single rational argument among all that drivel.
Your personal taste really isn't relevant here, but yeah, really brave of you to share it.

oh aye his judgmental prejudice was don't rape people mate you just jumped on the age he mentioned to defend your desires?

EDIT: "You should have sex with her. What people say =/= what people want."

..and that, in your mind, means condoning rape?
It doesn't. It just means that people aren't always honest about their desires, even with themselves.

pretty sure if someone says no it means no

Yeah, it doesn't necessarily. Common misconception.

stay away from my family
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18876 Posts
September 12 2013 15:04 GMT
#5488
Gosh, never have I felt so accomplished in regards to having gotten legitimate yes's from the women I've slept with. Thanks Cloud and Killscreen!
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Killscreen
Profile Joined February 2012
188 Posts
September 12 2013 15:06 GMT
#5489
On September 13 2013 00:03 ComaDose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2013 00:02 Killscreen wrote:
On September 12 2013 23:57 ComaDose wrote:
On September 12 2013 23:57 Killscreen wrote:
On September 12 2013 23:48 ComaDose wrote:
On September 12 2013 23:37 Killscreen wrote:
On September 12 2013 23:00 farvacola wrote:
Nah, your delicate sensibilities are not my concern, and when PUA attitudes combine with teenage ignorance and a gross older man, I see no harm in calling a spade a spade. Cloud regularly gives terrible, ill founded advice that oftentimes reads like the back cover of some sticky book on gaming women. If that's the sort of dating world you want to live in, fine. Just don't get hissy when others find it in bad taste and are willing to say so.

This is just more judgmental prejudice. There is not a single rational argument among all that drivel.
Your personal taste really isn't relevant here, but yeah, really brave of you to share it.

oh aye his judgmental prejudice was don't rape people mate you just jumped on the age he mentioned to defend your desires?

EDIT: "You should have sex with her. What people say =/= what people want."

..and that, in your mind, means condoning rape?
It doesn't. It just means that people aren't always honest about their desires, even with themselves.

pretty sure if someone says no it means no

Yeah, it doesn't necessarily. Common misconception.

stay away from my family

Too late.
Killscreen
Profile Joined February 2012
188 Posts
September 12 2013 15:08 GMT
#5490
On September 13 2013 00:04 farvacola wrote:
Gosh, never have I felt so accomplished in regards to having gotten legitimate yes's from the women I've slept with. Thanks Cloud and Killscreen!

If you would have persisted and not just given up the second she gives you some token resistance, like a pussy, you would've gotten a lot more yes's. The last couple of girls I hooked up with both told me no, and half an hour later were telling me to take them home and fuck them.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18876 Posts
September 12 2013 15:13 GMT
#5491
On September 13 2013 00:08 Killscreen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2013 00:04 farvacola wrote:
Gosh, never have I felt so accomplished in regards to having gotten legitimate yes's from the women I've slept with. Thanks Cloud and Killscreen!

If you would have persisted and not just given up the second she gives you some token resistance, like a pussy, you would've gotten a lot more yes's. The last couple of girls I hooked up with both told me no, and half an hour later were telling me to take them home and fuck them.

Look man, we can't all be ugly or stupid enough to have the women we pursue tell us no. God loves each and everyone of us all the same.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Killscreen
Profile Joined February 2012
188 Posts
September 12 2013 15:15 GMT
#5492
On September 13 2013 00:13 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2013 00:08 Killscreen wrote:
On September 13 2013 00:04 farvacola wrote:
Gosh, never have I felt so accomplished in regards to having gotten legitimate yes's from the women I've slept with. Thanks Cloud and Killscreen!

If you would have persisted and not just given up the second she gives you some token resistance, like a pussy, you would've gotten a lot more yes's. The last couple of girls I hooked up with both told me no, and half an hour later were telling me to take them home and fuck them.

Look man, we can't all be ugly or stupid enough to have the women we pursue tell us no. God loves each and everyone of us all the same.

Yeah, and some of us like to pursue hot intelligent women who make sure that the guys they sleep with aren't pussies.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18876 Posts
September 12 2013 15:20 GMT
#5493
It's never long in these conversations before some form of "I'm banging 10/10 model/physicists" rears its head. At least y'all are consistent.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
ImustnotfeaR
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom154 Posts
September 12 2013 15:23 GMT
#5494
On September 13 2013 00:15 Killscreen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2013 00:13 farvacola wrote:
On September 13 2013 00:08 Killscreen wrote:
On September 13 2013 00:04 farvacola wrote:
Gosh, never have I felt so accomplished in regards to having gotten legitimate yes's from the women I've slept with. Thanks Cloud and Killscreen!

If you would have persisted and not just given up the second she gives you some token resistance, like a pussy, you would've gotten a lot more yes's. The last couple of girls I hooked up with both told me no, and half an hour later were telling me to take them home and fuck them.

Look man, we can't all be ugly or stupid enough to have the women we pursue tell us no. God loves each and everyone of us all the same.

Yeah, and some of us like to pursue hot intelligent women who make sure that the guys they sleep with aren't pussies.


hot intelligent women who make sure that the guys they sleep with aren't pussies => manipulative women with self confidence issues

my advice => dont play their games. love comes from honesty and trust. and with love amazing sex.
'Fear is the mind killer'
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18876 Posts
September 12 2013 15:24 GMT
#5495
^this dude knows what's up.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
September 12 2013 15:41 GMT
#5496
The amount of bigotry and aggressiveness of incompetent and uneducated people in this thread is never disappointing. I suggest to take things further when both like each other and some random dude screams rape wtf? Somebody has to make the first move and most girls are afraid or scared to do so. It's very easy to understand when they want you to as they keep sending signals they like you and when they want you to stop and shut you down. Only a complete retard is unaware of body language and bases his interaction on words alone.
And yes I'm dating a 17 yo girl at the moment and I really like her. I don't judge people by age and she's mature enough to be with me. People arguing about age without knowing the person are pretty dumb, but that should come without saying.
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/hunter692007/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif
Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1970 Posts
September 12 2013 15:42 GMT
#5497
And here i thought we would have some new quality postings in this thread. Sick "discussion" guys.
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
September 12 2013 15:46 GMT
#5498
On September 13 2013 00:41 aTnClouD wrote:
The amount of bigotry and aggressiveness of incompetent and uneducated people in this thread is never disappointing. I suggest to take things further when both like each other and some random dude screams rape wtf? Somebody has to make the first move and most girls are afraid or scared to do so. It's very easy to understand when they want you to as they keep sending signals they like you and when they want you to stop and shut you down. Only a complete retard is unaware of body language and bases his interaction on words alone.
And yes I'm dating a 17 yo girl at the moment and I really like her. I don't judge people by age and she's mature enough to be with me. People arguing about age without knowing the person are pretty dumb, but that should come without saying.

well he described the signals as wanting to take it slow and you said what she says and what she wants are different. have sex with her. pretty sure you weren't calling him a retard unless he realized she wanted his dick but it's hard to follow.
You said your immature emo girlfriend cuts her wrists when her parents don't let her go out with you.
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
September 12 2013 15:55 GMT
#5499
On September 13 2013 00:46 ComaDose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2013 00:41 aTnClouD wrote:
The amount of bigotry and aggressiveness of incompetent and uneducated people in this thread is never disappointing. I suggest to take things further when both like each other and some random dude screams rape wtf? Somebody has to make the first move and most girls are afraid or scared to do so. It's very easy to understand when they want you to as they keep sending signals they like you and when they want you to stop and shut you down. Only a complete retard is unaware of body language and bases his interaction on words alone.
And yes I'm dating a 17 yo girl at the moment and I really like her. I don't judge people by age and she's mature enough to be with me. People arguing about age without knowing the person are pretty dumb, but that should come without saying.

well he described the signals as wanting to take it slow and you said what she says and what she wants are different. have sex with her. pretty sure you weren't calling him a retard unless he realized she wanted his dick but it's hard to follow.
You said your immature emo girlfriend cuts her wrists when her parents don't let her go out with you.

If she likes him he should try to have sex with her asap or he will lose her to someone else who will make a move when she's horny. That's what human beings who are attracted to each other do.
And I've been suicidal and depressed too when I was in high school and I understand it. Happens when you have to obey a strict family that will not allow you to be happy and it doesn't make you unworthy of anything.
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/hunter692007/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
September 12 2013 15:59 GMT
#5500
On September 13 2013 00:55 aTnClouD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2013 00:46 ComaDose wrote:
On September 13 2013 00:41 aTnClouD wrote:
The amount of bigotry and aggressiveness of incompetent and uneducated people in this thread is never disappointing. I suggest to take things further when both like each other and some random dude screams rape wtf? Somebody has to make the first move and most girls are afraid or scared to do so. It's very easy to understand when they want you to as they keep sending signals they like you and when they want you to stop and shut you down. Only a complete retard is unaware of body language and bases his interaction on words alone.
And yes I'm dating a 17 yo girl at the moment and I really like her. I don't judge people by age and she's mature enough to be with me. People arguing about age without knowing the person are pretty dumb, but that should come without saying.

well he described the signals as wanting to take it slow and you said what she says and what she wants are different. have sex with her. pretty sure you weren't calling him a retard unless he realized she wanted his dick but it's hard to follow.
You said your immature emo girlfriend cuts her wrists when her parents don't let her go out with you.

If she likes him he should try to have sex with her asap or he will lose her to someone else who will make a move when she's horny. That's what human beings who are attracted to each other do.
And I've been suicidal and depressed too when I was in high school and I understand it. Happens when you have to obey a strict family that will not allow you to be happy and it doesn't make you unworthy of anything.

I think your advice is more applicable to the animal kingdom.
And you said it was cause she was spoiled.
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
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