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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28875 Posts
May 04 2005 23:05 GMT
#241
thats a valid point.
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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13433 Posts
May 04 2005 23:11 GMT
#242
"Ironical".
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
FrinkX
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States958 Posts
May 04 2005 23:13 GMT
#243
BroOd is the smartest and sexiest and the best by far
sundance
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Slovakia3201 Posts
May 04 2005 23:22 GMT
#244
On May 04 2005 18:09 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2005 18:01 Liquid`Drone wrote:
your_killer, you should definitely have stayed out.
but I'll break it down to you

if there are 100 doors and only one is the correct one, you have a 1% chance of picking the correct door out of all 100
you get this part, right?
now if you then remove 98 doors and one of the two remaining ones is correct, and the initial door you picked would only be correct 1% of the time, then the other door is obviously correct 99% of the time.

I actually didn't even make it that much easier to understand, frankly I don't see why you're having problems with it. I mean, the entire point with using 100 doors is that it should be easy to understand for anyone, unlike the original scenario with three doors, where I could understand why people would get it wrong.


i wasn't going to respond to any of them, but eh.

the main part wrong with that logic is this. "now if you then remove 98 doors and one of the two remaining ones is correct". if you remove a bunch of possibilities from the original pool, the probability does NOT stay the same. originally, with 100 doors, each one has a 1% chance of being correct. now when you remove 98 of them, how can you argue that the one you didnt pick remains at 1%, while yours is 99? its the same logic you're using.

'one of the two remaining ones is correct'. one in two is 50%. there is no reason why the other door would have a higher probability of being correct. the door you picked doesn't magically stay at 1% while the other door becomes 99%. if you believe thats true, the one you didn't pick could just as easily be 1%, and the one you picked could be 99%. your choice doesn't have a bearing on its chances. as i said, removing some of the possibilities from the pool CHANGES all of the probability completely.

OMG next time get some basics of probability and then come back and argue.
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lurendreieren
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway59 Posts
May 04 2005 23:28 GMT
#245
Was the deathrow probability problem designed before or after the gameshow one? I'd say the gameshow one is easier to grasp since there you have the element of choice which puts the probability to use and easy testing.
SCFraser
Profile Joined May 2003
Canada1534 Posts
May 04 2005 23:38 GMT
#246
On May 05 2005 02:18 Rekrul wrote:
i'm not the most intelligent but i'm certainly the most rational

hahahahahhaha
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Jim
Profile Joined November 2003
Sweden1965 Posts
May 05 2005 00:34 GMT
#247
the funniest and wittiest person is cjh. smartest is just impossible to judge.
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draeger
Profile Joined July 2003
United States3256 Posts
May 05 2005 01:06 GMT
#248
On May 04 2005 18:39 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2005 18:33 Liquid`Drone wrote:
because you know that one of the two doors is the correct one.. if you didn't know that one of the two doors is the correct one, then the other door would have an equal chance of being correct. (however, a huge majority of the time, they would both be wrong. )


if you know that one of the two doors is correct, nothing gives either door a higher chance of being correct than the other.


This argument is a few pages old, but I think I figured out a good way to explain it:

You initially have 100 unmarked doors. When you pick one, you have a 1% chance of getting it right. Based on your posts before, you agree with this (luckily, or else we'd all be in trouble.)

Now here is where you seem to get confused. You have your door with a 1% chance of being right. That means 99% of the time you are wrong and the correct door is somewhere within the other 99 doors. Still following?

Now if the person goes through each of those 99 other doors (which contain the right answer 99% of the time) and one-by-one dismisses doors that are wrong, you are eventually going to be left with one door. Now this door is still on the side that is determined to be 99% correct (as mentioned above) and is the last door remaining. This gives it a 99% chance of being correct.
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
11739 Posts
May 05 2005 01:26 GMT
#249
On May 05 2005 10:06 draeger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2005 18:39 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote:
On May 04 2005 18:33 Liquid`Drone wrote:
because you know that one of the two doors is the correct one.. if you didn't know that one of the two doors is the correct one, then the other door would have an equal chance of being correct. (however, a huge majority of the time, they would both be wrong. )


if you know that one of the two doors is correct, nothing gives either door a higher chance of being correct than the other.


This argument is a few pages old, but I think I figured out a good way to explain it:

You initially have 100 unmarked doors. When you pick one, you have a 1% chance of getting it right. Based on your posts before, you agree with this (luckily, or else we'd all be in trouble.)

Now here is where you seem to get confused. You have your door with a 1% chance of being right. That means 99% of the time you are wrong and the correct door is somewhere within the other 99 doors. Still following?

Now if the person goes through each of those 99 other doors (which contain the right answer 99% of the time) and one-by-one dismisses doors that are wrong, you are eventually going to be left with one door. Now this door is still on the side that is determined to be 99% correct (as mentioned above) and is the last door remaining. This gives it a 99% chance of being correct.


That's exactly what everyone else said, but he still didn't get it.
I'm never gonna know you now \ But I'm gonna love you anyhow.
Mora
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada5235 Posts
May 05 2005 02:55 GMT
#250
On May 05 2005 10:26 SickofLife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2005 10:06 draeger wrote:
On May 04 2005 18:39 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote:
On May 04 2005 18:33 Liquid`Drone wrote:
because you know that one of the two doors is the correct one.. if you didn't know that one of the two doors is the correct one, then the other door would have an equal chance of being correct. (however, a huge majority of the time, they would both be wrong. )


if you know that one of the two doors is correct, nothing gives either door a higher chance of being correct than the other.


This argument is a few pages old, but I think I figured out a good way to explain it:

You initially have 100 unmarked doors. When you pick one, you have a 1% chance of getting it right. Based on your posts before, you agree with this (luckily, or else we'd all be in trouble.)

Now here is where you seem to get confused. You have your door with a 1% chance of being right. That means 99% of the time you are wrong and the correct door is somewhere within the other 99 doors. Still following?

Now if the person goes through each of those 99 other doors (which contain the right answer 99% of the time) and one-by-one dismisses doors that are wrong, you are eventually going to be left with one door. Now this door is still on the side that is determined to be 99% correct (as mentioned above) and is the last door remaining. This gives it a 99% chance of being correct.


That's exactly what everyone else said, but he still didn't get it.


no its not. i think that explanation was better than all the rest.

except for the deck of cards example.
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SCFraser
Profile Joined May 2003
Canada1534 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-05-05 03:23:00
May 05 2005 03:03 GMT
#251
nevermind

Selecting that one door from the pool of 99% is like selecting the entire pool.

ergo I'm the dumbest
I want something good to die for, to make it beautiful to live.
Zerius[TPR]
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada1633 Posts
May 05 2005 03:42 GMT
#252
I really dont see how you cant see how the door thing works. Its incredibly simple.
where from you, circus?
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32280 Posts
May 05 2005 03:54 GMT
#253
On May 05 2005 12:42 Zerius[TPR] wrote:
I really dont see how you cant see how the door thing works. Its incredibly simple.


Well... if everyone could see it this thread would be useless.
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YoUr_KiLLeR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States3420 Posts
May 05 2005 03:59 GMT
#254
i realized i was looking at the problem the wrong way. i apologize!
what the fuck do you have to say for yourself now you protoss jackass can you retaliate in any way
dronebabo
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
10866 Posts
May 05 2005 04:14 GMT
#255
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ZaplinG
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
United States3818 Posts
May 05 2005 04:17 GMT
#256
On May 04 2005 11:13 Smorrie wrote:
Feuerbach


Rofl.. Just for that, my vote goes for Smorrie.
Don't believe the florist when he tells you that the roses are free
Rayzorblade
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States1172 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-05-05 04:26:54
May 05 2005 04:21 GMT
#257
Because I don't think my e-dick is quite big enough just yet, I'll avoid this quagmire of mental midgets and refrain from commenting.

[P.S. HI MOM!!!! I'M SMART TEE-HEE!! ]
Attacke
Profile Joined January 2005
96 Posts
May 05 2005 05:09 GMT
#258
any german for sure
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
May 05 2005 05:46 GMT
#259
On May 05 2005 12:03 SCFraser wrote:
Selecting that one door from the pool of 99% is like selecting the entire pool.


I actually think this is a pretty good explanation to add on top of all the rest, it sums it up pretty well.
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Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
May 05 2005 05:55 GMT
#260
LTT :p
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