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On October 30 2011 11:43 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 10:18 ThaZenith wrote:On October 30 2011 08:09 Integra wrote:On October 30 2011 06:09 ThaZenith wrote:
And I've seen 4-5 articles about the test on different new sites already. If you aren't looking for articles, don't whine about not seeing any. Doesn't that make you just a little curious? Some guy just created cold fusion and the only people that reports it are tabloids and general media who has no fucking clue about this. Not really. Until it's been proven no big media sources will report about it. And that won't happen until he's sure he'll get his money's worth. I'm waiting for proof like anyone else. I don't lose anything from following the story, so I don't see why everyone cares so much about who's willing to be optimistic or not. yea, I'm in the same boat, have a cold fusion reactor myself but to afraid to show it off since someone might steal it. People will have to pay me THEN I'll prove it actually works.
Well, I mean, it makes sense. It's not even slightly in Rossi's interests to throw the doors open before he has a patent, as he would then lose any return he might get on his discovery. So long as he's got a patent in the works and he's found someone brave/stupid enough to fund a scale-up, why would he need to make it all public?
If it's for real, he'll get his legitimacy in a few years time, along with a dump-truck full of money. If he went for the ego trip now, he might just get no money at all.
For the record, I'm treating this as a hoax or misunderstanding until proven otherwise by actual physicists, but if you assume Rossi has discovered cold fusion, the secrecy card is exactly what he should be playing.
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On October 30 2011 11:43 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 10:18 ThaZenith wrote:On October 30 2011 08:09 Integra wrote:On October 30 2011 06:09 ThaZenith wrote:
And I've seen 4-5 articles about the test on different new sites already. If you aren't looking for articles, don't whine about not seeing any. Doesn't that make you just a little curious? Some guy just created cold fusion and the only people that reports it are tabloids and general media who has no fucking clue about this. Not really. Until it's been proven no big media sources will report about it. And that won't happen until he's sure he'll get his money's worth. I'm waiting for proof like anyone else. I don't lose anything from following the story, so I don't see why everyone cares so much about who's willing to be optimistic or not. yea, I'm in the same boat, have a cold fusion reactor myself but to afraid to show it off since someone might steal it. People will have to pay me THEN I'll prove it actually works.
Except he allowed the customer's quality assurance engineers TEST the machine before they bought it.
That's not someone who was pulling a hoax would do... unless the QA was in on the hoax. Which could certainly be the case.
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On October 29 2011 13:17 ThaZenith wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2011 13:10 Perdac Curall wrote:On October 29 2011 07:06 Integra wrote:
LOL good ol Andrea Rossi is back! And of course he has some new amazing gadget that will revolutionize everything! I can't wait to see what kind of crap he is going to trick people into this time.
What other scams has Rossi pulled? I have never heard of any of them. I doubt there has been a single one. Otherwise everybody would know about it, and nobody would care about this in the slightest. He's under some pretty heavy scrutiny.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/4b3mi.jpg)
A report Department of Defense ordered on Rossi's supposed 'Thermoelectric Device Technology' whatever that is.. Highlighted some stuff, and while it might not be proof of a scam, I would certainly think twice before trusting this Rossi fella with my money.
Edit: Not that this has anything too do with his energy catalyzer to be fair. But still...
Edit2: http://dodfuelcell.cecer.army.mil/library_items/Thermo(2004).pdf (link to the report)
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On July 27 2011 07:56 SafeAsCheese wrote:
I would love to see the fall of the oil industry if this is successful, especially Bush's face.
good thing his administration approved much-higher-than-average amounts of nuclear reactors
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So the "plant" is a 50 cc device? or am I confusing bits of the OP? Either way, I'd love to see a third of the things mentioned in the clip from CBS!
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On October 30 2011 12:33 dangerjoe wrote:
*picture*
A report Department of Defense ordered on Rossi's supposed 'Thermoelectric Device Technology' whatever that is.. Highlighted some stuff, and while it might not be proof of a scam, I would certainly think twice before trusting this Rossi fella with my money.
Edit: Not that this has anything too do with his energy catalyzer to be fair. But still...
Interesting. Thanks, might try to read up on it a bit later.
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On October 30 2011 12:48 mordanis wrote:
So the "plant" is a 50 cc device? or am I confusing bits of the OP? Either way, I'd love to see a third of the things mentioned in the clip from CBS!
The e-cat cells shown in the earlier demos had a volume of 50cc. The 1 MW plant is made up of many larger units linked together in parallel containing three cells each.
The small size allows the reaction to be controlled more easily. Here is a picture showing one of the larger units. The reactor part would consist of three cells
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woah thought this was a thread about Dino Rossi...
Either way, this was actually pretty interesting
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Hello TL community
Many think this is a fraud, but how many of them have actually followed this story closely enough to realize the entire extent of it? This story is a lot bigger than you may realize. This paragraph by the admin of ecatnews.com illustrates this very well:
Unfortunately, if Rossi hired a bunch of actors to pretend to be the customer reps, created an elaborate year-long special-effects-derived series of demos, bribed, hypnotised or otherwise fooled Focardi, Levi, Kullander, Essen, Bianchini, Stremmenos and convinced a bunch of Greek crooks to set up a dummy company called Defkalion to pretend to fight with him over the non-existent eCat, to perpetuate the illusion and spin it off into a competing mirror-scam and convinced his former partners to set up another company called AmpEnergo to pretend that they had a contract for The Americas for a substantial sum or that they just did this with no proof because they have worked with Rossi and trust him because he’s such a fine fellow, arranged for Piantelli, Miley and a host of others to try to fool the world into thinking that cold fusion was real, got NASA, SPAWAR, The Defense Threat Reduction Agency and The Defense Intelligence Agency to say nice things about the field, got Bushnell to make a fool of himself, sold his profitable company to his ex-partners in order to spend that wealth on a multi-million dollar scam; certain that once he got all the above ducks in a row he would pretend to sell the first device and then reel in the true target of his dastardly plan – the second (this time genuine) buyer of a 1MW plant that will net him $2 million dollars until they want their money back or sucker a $100 million dollar deal under the table because he has experience in pulling the wool over all these idiotic eyes and knows that they will just take his word for it and not want to test if his 1MW plant can heat a small village without truckloads of coal or oil or a big fat electric cable coming into the container from beneath the floor (no you can’t lift the carpet!) and that, in order to pull this off, Rossi had to risk discovery by interviewing all the people he subsequently fooled so that he could only invite the gullible Professors and not the brilliant anonymous posters on the Internet who surely would have found him out – then all bets are off and I’m with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses.
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@Traeon
I do believe he successfully faked all of that due to his incredible skill at faking companies, fooling people and prototyping things that look like they work then don't. I would say Rossi is top 10 in the world at these skills and it has earned him a lot of fame and money.
He chose a field for his scam that deflects a lot of criticism (cold fusion) because it is kind of plausible but has been hated on for 20+ years by some and still others are trying to make it work. So announcing he's made it work gets him a lot of attention and defenders immediately.
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On October 30 2011 12:56 ThaZenith wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 12:33 dangerjoe wrote:
*picture*
A report Department of Defense ordered on Rossi's supposed 'Thermoelectric Device Technology' whatever that is.. Highlighted some stuff, and while it might not be proof of a scam, I would certainly think twice before trusting this Rossi fella with my money.
Edit: Not that this has anything too do with his energy catalyzer to be fair. But still...
Interesting. Thanks, might try to read up on it a bit later.
Most interesting, kind of gave up my hopes after this. I'll still check, but to see when he gets busted again...
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it's a wait and see thing.. the company that purchased the plant off him will surely dissect the reactors in due time.
you could draw lines with rossi and tesla. many people claim there be free energy devices invented by tesla, but are all conspiracy theorists.
rossi has put forward a device which is essentially free energy however it breaks very important and documented laws of physics. cold fusion is in all rights unproven and not properly understood to correctly apply the right laws of nuclear reactions to however if this is a working prototype of an extremely potent energy source we will see a complete reform of the energy industry.
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On October 30 2011 22:22 Soleron wrote:
@Traeon
I do believe he successfully faked all of that due to his incredible skill at faking companies, fooling people and prototyping things that look like they work then don't. I would say Rossi is top 10 in the world at these skills and it has earned him a lot of fame and money.
He chose a field for his scam that deflects a lot of criticism (cold fusion) because it is kind of plausible but has been hated on for 20+ years by some and still others are trying to make it work. So announcing he's made it work gets him a lot of attention and defenders immediately.
The thing is, if the figures are to believed, 500k is NOTHING compared to the time, effort, and money Rossi and his crew put into this. If this is indeed all a scam, the buyers are going to figure out sooner than later. They are going to take the system apart and get independant experts in to verify its legitamacy (if they haven't already done that). In fact, before Rossi can actually start to make profit from this, the reactor is going to have to stand up to scrutiny from a number of different bodies and people. If this is all a scam, then it's probably the worst one to have ever been conceived.
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Is there any place I can get a broad and informative (but not too complicated) sense of what this is and how he managed to come up with this (granted he's not a crook)? This has not been mentioned AT ALL by the Norwegian media, at least as far as I can tell (used the search function on the websites etc).
This could be huge, why is the press treading so fucking carefully?
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On October 30 2011 23:50 Ballack wrote:
Is there any place I can get a broad and informative (but not too complicated) sense of what this is and how he managed to come up with this (granted he's not a crook)?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Catalyzer is decent but leaves out some info and is overly critical of cold fusion imo. http://ecatnews.com is also good but centered a lot about lengthy discussion (check the brief PT 1 and P2 in the top menu though)
I wouldn't actually mind compiling some info in a FAQ, so if you want to make specific questions go for it. I've been following this for half a year and can probably answer almost any question.
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No, the company he's selling it to doesn't exist. We'll find that out soon.
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Ok, so does anyone have a timeframe in which this is definitely and irrefutably decided upon as a hoax or legit technology?
I've been checking this topic regularly waiting for 30 october when the actual 1 MW official test thing happened, but it appears things are as undecided as they were months ago. I've read something about "24 months independent testing". Is it going to be another 2 fucking years until we know for sure?
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On October 31 2011 00:20 Holy Check wrote:
Ok, so does anyone have a timeframe in which this is definitely and irrefutably decided upon as a hoax or legit technology?
Sounds like a great question for the FAQ. Traeon?
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On October 31 2011 00:01 Traeon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 23:50 Ballack wrote:
Is there any place I can get a broad and informative (but not too complicated) sense of what this is and how he managed to come up with this (granted he's not a crook)? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Catalyzer is decent but leaves out some info and is overly critical of cold fusion imo. http://ecatnews.com is also good but centered a lot about lengthy discussion (check the brief PT 1 and P2 in the top menu though) I wouldn't actually mind compiling some info in a FAQ, so if you want to make specific questions go for it. I've been following this for half a year and can probably answer almost any question.
Thanks a lot, just what I was looking for.
Judging from this thread, there is a lot of suspiciousness floating around. As a guy who has followed it for quite some time, are there certain actions Rossi has performed that would not make sense if this was legit? Because as far as I can tell the basics of it makes total sense; he does not want to give out too much info about it before he gets a patent on the invention (that one is obvious). The companies want to stay anonymous and not make any public statements, which is natural as well as the uncertainty is beneficial for them.
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On October 31 2011 00:24 hypercube wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 00:20 Holy Check wrote:
Ok, so does anyone have a timeframe in which this is definitely and irrefutably decided upon as a hoax or legit technology? Sounds like a great question for the FAQ. Traeon?
I don't particularly like how he worded the question, so I'll change it a bit:
Q: When will the testing at the University of Bologna and the University of Upsala or other independent verification start?
A: According to Rossi, after the delivery of his first 1 MW plant, the next steps would be starting independent testing. He has not specified a date. The contract with the University of Bologna is planned to last two years.
Sources: Avviso EFA srl (in Italian, EFA srl is a company owned by Rossi's wife), interview with Prof. Roland Petterson
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