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Kar98
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia924 Posts
July 26 2011 07:43 GMT
#101
Pity the source doens't work
Pai Mei
Profile Joined July 2011
Hong Kong16 Posts
July 26 2011 08:24 GMT
#102
Only in America. But why do they invest in military so much
GameTime
Profile Joined May 2010
United States222 Posts
July 26 2011 08:29 GMT
#103
The 300 million doesn't even scratch the 692 billion defense budget. While it's a shame I think the bigger issue here is why are we (The US) wasting so much money on defense? The amount we spend on our military is comparable to the rest of the world put together which is absolutely ridiculous.
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StyLeD
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2965 Posts
July 26 2011 08:33 GMT
#104
On July 26 2011 17:29 GameTime wrote:
The 300 million doesn't even scratch the 692 billion defense budget. While it's a shame I think the bigger issue here is why are we (The US) wasting so much money on defense? The amount we spend on our military is comparable to the rest of the world put together which is absolutely ridiculous.


I'm pretty sure most of the money is spent on upkeep. Also, America has the "Best" mentality. We HAVE to have the best weapons, the best ships, the best tanks, the best technology. And we do. We also spend a retarded amount of money on it because defense contractors jack the prices up because there's literally only one or two big companies that the US can go to for technology.

Being in the defense industry is so prosperous on the contractor side, you can say "this weapon needs 5 billion in spending" when it only needs 2 million, the US cannot just say, "No fuck you" because there is no one else to go to.
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Chargelot
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
2275 Posts
July 26 2011 08:34 GMT
#105
On July 26 2011 17:29 GameTime wrote:
The 300 million doesn't even scratch the 692 billion defense budget. While it's a shame I think the bigger issue here is why are we (The US) wasting so much money on defense? The amount we spend on our military is comparable to the rest of the world put together which is absolutely ridiculous.


More people want us dead.
Not trying to brag or anything, but we're a pretty sexy target.
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Electric.Jesus
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany755 Posts
July 26 2011 08:47 GMT
#106
$300 million is nothing when it comes to wasting tax-payer money. In Germany we have the so called Black Book of Taxes which lists- in detail - all incidents of obvious taxpayer money waste. It usually sums up to 30-40 billion Euros each year. Given that the US has four times the amount of taxpayers, I think cumulative taxpayer money waste would easily hit the three digit billions in the US.

Bottom line: yeah, wasting $300 million sucks, but its only the tiniest tip of the iceberg.
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InvalidID
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1050 Posts
July 27 2011 02:27 GMT
#107
On July 26 2011 17:47 Electric.Jesus wrote:
$300 million is nothing when it comes to wasting tax-payer money. In Germany we have the so called Black Book of Taxes which lists- in detail - all incidents of obvious taxpayer money waste. It usually sums up to 30-40 billion Euros each year. Given that the US has four times the amount of taxpayers, I think cumulative taxpayer money waste would easily hit the three digit billions in the US.

Bottom line: yeah, wasting $300 million sucks, but its only the tiniest tip of the iceberg.


The United States has a similar thing, in reports done by the Government Accountability Office. Waste in any organization large or small is inevitable, and 300 million is indeed a drop in the bucket, especially when you look at the amount of waste that goes into typical R&D projects, as part of the nature of the game.
ieatkids5
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States4628 Posts
July 27 2011 02:32 GMT
#108
On July 24 2011 00:52 HellRoxYa wrote:
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On July 23 2011 20:56 ieatkids5 wrote:
On July 22 2011 10:05 supermanrick wrote:
written by By Laura Rozen | The Envoy – Wed, Jul 20, 2011

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/envoy/two-never-used-navy-ghost-ships-sent-scrap-164452572.htm

In the era of massive belt-tightening budget cuts, the story of two never-completed, unused Navy ships now being sent to the scrap heap after costing U.S. taxpayers $300 million is a case study in Pentagon waste.

Requisitioned by the U.S. Navy in 1985, the two oil-hauling ships, the Benjamin Isherwood and the Henry Eckford, "have never gone on a mission, were never even completed, yet they cost taxpayers at least $300 million," the Virginia-Pilot's Scott Harper reports.

Now the "ghost ships" are headed from their dock on the James River in Virginia to a Texas scrap yard to be dismantled, Harrop writes. And there's one more catch--the United States awarded a $10 million contract to dismantle four ships, including the Eckford and the Isherwood, to a UK firm, so no money from the reclamation will return to the United States.

The two vessels were part of a $567 million request for three oilers put out by the Navy, Harrop writes. But the builder, Pennsylvania Shipbuilding Co. in Philadelphia, defaulted on the contract in 1989. A Florida firm contracted to finish the ships cancelled the contract over price disputes in 1993. The ships are now being scrapped, rather than refurbished, because they do not meet modern specs. "[I]t will close one of the saddest chapters in American shipbuilding and for that matter, federal fiduciary folly," writes global maritime commentator Joseph Keefe, Harrop notes.

Harrop has the full story of the ship's long, unfinished fate over at the Virginia pilot

That's just flat out wrong.


Nah, it's just capitalism.

What? I meant that the author of the article does not understand economics.
Diks
Profile Joined January 2010
Belgium1880 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-27 03:16:19
July 27 2011 03:15 GMT
#109
On July 26 2011 17:34 Chargelot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2011 17:29 GameTime wrote:
The 300 million doesn't even scratch the 692 billion defense budget. While it's a shame I think the bigger issue here is why are we (The US) wasting so much money on defense? The amount we spend on our military is comparable to the rest of the world put together which is absolutely ridiculous.


More people want us dead.
Not trying to brag or anything, but we're a pretty sexy target.


I'm pretty sure USA is the most feared country military-wise.
I don't see any foreign country willing to get in any war against USA, this would be pure suicide.
USA has always done pre-emptive strikes that revealed to be about securing geo-strategical and economical key spots in the occupated countries.
You might still believe that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and that sadam hussein was not going to trade the oil of his country via euro prices and policies.

Sexy target is not the term I'll use. Kinda repulsive target imo.

Why do other countries need less defence system ?
Why would they generate less hate ?

Please, do your homework, document yourself.

I strongly encourage you to watch this movie :
Tektos
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1321 Posts
July 27 2011 03:22 GMT
#110
Too many U.S. politicians have their hand in the military pie. Funding will never decrease if anti-corruption measures aren't introduced.
originalred04
Profile Joined July 2011
United States53 Posts
July 27 2011 04:19 GMT
#111
@Diks

I tried to watch your movie and got about 10 minutes in and just turned it off. There is just to much sensationalism, and conjecture for me to spend 2 hours of my life watching it. I am not fan of Obama, nor was I a fan of Bush. It makes some legit points that are already well known, I'm not sure what the point of the video is, other than to push some conspiracy theorist garbage around as true journalism.

You make comments like "USA has always done Pre-emptive strikes," if by always you mean post WWII and even then it's a very weak argument. Our wars in the Middle East have raised our prices in oil not lowered them, so that's not really a valid argument either.

I'm not debating the right or wrong of these wars just your claimed reasoning for the wars. America has it's fair share of problems but on the whole we are a pretty benevolent country. The American people do not desire Empire or conquest. We do not thirst for war, or bloodshed. Historically speaking, America is the most benevolent world super power ever.

If we had desired it to be so, we could have overrun the world after Germany collapsed. We had a weapon capable of leveling ever major city on Earth that opposed us, Europe was in shambles, Japan devastated, China divided in civil war, India, Africa, The Middle East, could have offered up no semblance of defense. Instead we instituted the marshal plan and helped rebuild Europe.

all of this is pretty far from the topic of this thread, not even sure how I managed up reading it, all in all America is pretty FUBARed in the near future.
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mmorrow401
Profile Joined September 2010
United States29 Posts
July 27 2011 04:30 GMT
#112
Umm.... did anyone notice that these two ships were commissioned in the 1980s and finished in the early 1990s? I really don't think that this issue of two expensive ships that were paid for twenty years ago has any bearing on the current expansive defense budget of the past decade.
mmorrow401
Profile Joined September 2010
United States29 Posts
July 27 2011 04:31 GMT
#113
On July 27 2011 13:19 originalred04 wrote:

If we had desired it to be so, we could have overrun the world after Germany collapsed. We had a weapon capable of leveling ever major city on Earth that opposed us, Europe was in shambles, Japan devastated, China divided in civil war, India, Africa, The Middle East, could have offered up no semblance of defense. Instead we instituted the marshal plan and helped rebuild Europe.
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you forgot about the Soviet Union but you're pretty much on point.
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