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GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
July 25 2011 22:14 GMT
#81
The ships are awesome, but for that much money... no
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
July 25 2011 22:22 GMT
#82
Maybe they can have an auction set up.
Buy your own Navyship now! Only for $300 Million USD!
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Scodia
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom588 Posts
July 25 2011 22:28 GMT
#83
dismantling went a british firm. Its probably we said we do it for the least amount. Its how the world is. not because they were the very best at dismantling ships.
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NKexquisite
Profile Joined January 2009
United States911 Posts
July 25 2011 22:30 GMT
#84
Every company has R&D and every R&D department is going to "waste" money on their projects. In the long run, 300 million is such a small percentage, I don't think it really matters.

On the other hand, I guarantee you there are some other really silly things the government spends money on that would blow your mind. For example, didn't a couple years back the government spend millions (billions?) of dollars to build a bridge to some island in Alaska that only like 10 people lived on?

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KillerPlague
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1386 Posts
July 25 2011 22:36 GMT
#85
to be honest if a huge war had broken out the extra ships would have come in handy. im all for being prepared. now loaning money to corporations that leveraged themselves and gave out loans to people who really shouldn't have gotten loans...they need a slap.
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4Servy
Profile Joined August 2008
Netherlands1542 Posts
July 25 2011 22:44 GMT
#86
Well mb im kinda missing the point but what is 300 million dollars on the insane military spendings of the united states? They probably thought that maintaining these ships would cost more than stopping the project all together so they too kthe way wich causes the least loss in capital. If you want to save alot of money on DoD cut down on the nuclear arsenal wich costs insanes amout of money to protect, maintain and keep battle ready.
Good1
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation138 Posts
July 25 2011 22:55 GMT
#87
Thats so funny, because at least they started it but failed, in Russia someone would've just steal those money and didn't do anything, and this happens in everywhere. It's considered good if 60% of money were spend actually what they were for and 40% is in goverment employes pockets. Usually its 50:50 It's just sad(
InvalidID
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1050 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 01:49:07
July 26 2011 01:19 GMT
#88


FINANCES (USD)
Defense Budget: $692,000,000,000 (2011)
Defense Budget: $698,000,000,000 (2010)


Comparing government spending numbers year to year without adjusting for inflation and GDP growth is a misleading activity. As a percentage of GDP, in inflation adjusted figures, the defense budget is actually being drastically slashed, and a number of programs have been cut.
MethodSC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States928 Posts
July 26 2011 01:54 GMT
#89
It says clearly in the graph that it is $ in billion. It is $300 BILLION dollars of waste each year lol.... Honestly though it's about 600 billion in waste. Obama when will you keep your promise to bring the troops home?
Chargelot
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
2275 Posts
July 26 2011 02:08 GMT
#90
On July 26 2011 10:54 MethodSC wrote:
It says clearly in the graph that it is $ in billion. It is $300 BILLION dollars of waste each year lol.... Honestly though it's about 600 billion in waste. Obama when will you keep your promise to bring the troops home?


It's like Americans just don't understand anything.

First off, what you saw was the entire budget. The "wasted" $300M was referring to this single project.

"Bring the troops home" is like saying "Make a 6supply depot and 6 rax." In words you may understand, one does not simply walk out of Mordor. Whether you like it or not, "bringing the troops home" is a complicated process, and the fact of the matter is we'll probably have troops (not necessarily an entire army) in the middle east for the next hundred years.

Let me say this, in the hopes that you'll finally understand.

You are worth less than the security of the nation.
I am worth less than the security of the nation.
National security has the total worth of every life of every person living inside the country -- legal Americans or otherwise -- and the total net-worth of all infrastructure and businesses in the nation. Everything that makes this country more than just rocks and trees, and then even the rocks and trees, combined.

Hundreds of billions of dollars is a lot of fucking money. But national security means a lot more. I couldn't ever hope to calculate the worth of a single life, never mind the worth of well over 310,000,000 lives.

If you disagree, try imagining the nation with a $0.00 defense budget. Lets see how long it takes the world to follow natural human instinct.
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OsoVega
Profile Joined December 2010
926 Posts
July 26 2011 04:18 GMT
#91
On July 26 2011 10:54 MethodSC wrote:
It says clearly in the graph that it is $ in billion. It is $300 BILLION dollars of waste each year lol.... Honestly though it's about 600 billion in waste. Obama when will you keep your promise to bring the troops home?

From Afghanistan? I don't think he made a concrete promise for that and if he did the date has not past yet.
Z3kk
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4099 Posts
July 26 2011 04:21 GMT
#92
Yeah, I am of the camp that this is an absolute, total waste of massive amounts of money, but this is comparatively tiny in the grand scheme of things compared to many other things on which money is being utterly wasted.
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GypsyBeast
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada630 Posts
July 26 2011 04:27 GMT
#93
send them to canada we need a goddamn navy
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Terranist
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2496 Posts
July 26 2011 05:46 GMT
#94
On July 26 2011 13:27 GypsyBeast wrote:
send them to canada we need a goddamn navy


dont worry bro, we got your back in case anything goes down. AMERICUH!
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Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada546 Posts
July 26 2011 05:58 GMT
#95
On July 22 2011 10:21 gogogadgetflow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 10:08 Voltaire wrote:
In my opinion the US could easily cut its defense budget by 60% by pulling out of Iraq and Afghanistan and vastly reducing the huge amount of unnecessary troops we have in Germany, Japan, and South Korea, among other places. This would cause no increase in threat whatsoever to the American people.



Thanks for that analysis Einstein you can hand it off to the US SecDef in the morning. Oh wait.

And what Rooster said.



L O L

Well, what can you expect? Americans and money... They never handled it well. Even while trying to be best friends with the jews from Israel.

On a more serious note, its a shame that happened but if you really look at it, techonology doubles every 8 months... and the contractors kept defaulting, so yes it was a waste but you have to understand they weren't going in saying "lets waste 300 million"
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Le BucheRON
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada619 Posts
July 26 2011 05:59 GMT
#96
On July 26 2011 11:08 Chargelot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2011 10:54 MethodSC wrote:
It says clearly in the graph that it is $ in billion. It is $300 BILLION dollars of waste each year lol.... Honestly though it's about 600 billion in waste. Obama when will you keep your promise to bring the troops home?


It's like Americans just don't understand anything.

First off, what you saw was the entire budget. The "wasted" $300M was referring to this single project.

"Bring the troops home" is like saying "Make a 6supply depot and 6 rax." In words you may understand, one does not simply walk out of Mordor. Whether you like it or not, "bringing the troops home" is a complicated process, and the fact of the matter is we'll probably have troops (not necessarily an entire army) in the middle east for the next hundred years.

Let me say this, in the hopes that you'll finally understand.

You are worth less than the security of the nation.
I am worth less than the security of the nation.
National security has the total worth of every life of every person living inside the country -- legal Americans or otherwise -- and the total net-worth of all infrastructure and businesses in the nation. Everything that makes this country more than just rocks and trees, and then even the rocks and trees, combined.

Hundreds of billions of dollars is a lot of fucking money. But national security means a lot more. I couldn't ever hope to calculate the worth of a single life, never mind the worth of well over 310,000,000 lives.

If you disagree, try imagining the nation with a $0.00 defense budget. Lets see how long it takes the world to follow natural human instinct.


Very well said. People need to get informed and think reasonably about what they would do if they were calling the shots, and taking on the responsibilities of caring for 300 million people. It is very easy to complain and give quick solutions when you don't walk a mile in someone else's shoes.
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Kangg
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States128 Posts
July 26 2011 06:12 GMT
#97
All i have to say is. You guys need to take economics its simple when you take a very basic economics class. When you look at the market back when it was needed it was set at a certain worth. When looking at a tech industry, worth of an item drastically changes over time due to the nature of technology always evolving and getting better. There you could draw a graft weighting the prices for the benefit of the item, in this case the tankers. After many years and many failed attempts of making this, they put down 300 dollars. For this to continue to put more money into the program except now, it is not worth the benefit, the technology is so obsolete it would be better to cut their losses, from something that was supposed to be finished 10 years ago, and scrap it making as much money as possible from it. Its a great decision just sad that it had to go that route. The reason the military gets so much shit for this is because we all pay for it, the same process goes through every single company like what was said a few posts above about R&D. You never know what will happen.

I am going to go in the military, currently in ROTC, and have seen first hand how R&D works and let me just say, never expect anything to go as planned. Program im working on currently is delayed 2 years. was supposed to be done in two months but now done many many months later and now needed much more money to be put into it to staff the laborers, parts, etc. So please as much as i love going on forums to watch 12-16 year old kids talk about what they may know, and criticize the government, military, businesses, sports figures, etc. please put your self in those shoes and think from a less one sided approach. ( i do it to sometimes, just saying that it would make the country i love a better place.)
itkovian
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1763 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 06:30:25
July 26 2011 06:25 GMT
#98
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 22 2011 10:07 Razvy wrote:
Show nested quote +



what are your thoughts of 300 million dollars in department of defense waste?



I am FOR government waste!

What the fuck are we supposed to say?

User was warned for this post


Rofl

300 million seems to be a drop in the bucket compared to the trillions of dollars of debt we have. If you looked hard enough though, I bet you could find many more such wastes in our spending.
So I guess it all adds up in the end
=)=
brain_
Profile Joined June 2010
United States812 Posts
July 26 2011 06:57 GMT
#99
On July 22 2011 10:15 Crisium wrote:
Ron Paul would never allow this.


On July 22 2011 10:08 Cassel_Castle wrote:
$1 per person, $2 per taxpayer.

Focus on bigger things, like the Fed secretly loaning $16 trillion to failing corporations.

http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=9e2a4ea8-6e73-4be2-a753-62060dcbb3c3


These posts brought a tear to my eye... Us Paulies have managed to penetrate TL, it appears. :D
PhiliBiRD
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2643 Posts
July 26 2011 07:02 GMT
#100
the sad part is they want to cut social security and disability... so they can do shit like this.

:-((((
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