On December 05 2013 23:21 SC2Toastie wrote: Would it ever be possible within my life time (give it 80 years, be optimistic) to ever see something close to a Zergling via genetical mutation (given there's no ethical limits by the masses)?
Unlikely. Or better: definde "zergling"
You sure can breed animals that are super fast and withstand bullets from current assault rifles. This is b/c they are designed to neutralize humans and humans are relatively fragile. So current logic is to decrease caliber/impact for more ammo. The more you shoot the more likely you hit.
so you can "armor" them in an appropriate way and send them on the field.
The problem though is that you can change the caliber/impact more easily than your breeding and there will come a point where you end up with something like a rhino instead of a cheetah b/c the armor actually weights something.
plus machine guns are super effective.
The real problem I see with this comes from something else: How to lead your zerglings if you don't have a telepathic overmind and how do you deal with tanks?
I have a hard time seeing anything on an animal that suited at breaking through tank armor that you can't put on the tank as armor. And more because a tank has a diesel engine behind it.
On December 06 2013 21:49 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Actually, spine compression is interesting. Maybe wherever I can lay down instead of sit, would at least halt the compression?
sounds awfully unpractical for everyday life though. I think the ballon plan has a brighter future and that in itself is quite telling. Might want to start research about internet reception up there. Or you just sign up for the next Nasa spaceprogram!
Hydrogen/Helium has weight so you would be stuck right on the cusp of space. The only way to get into space is through propulsion.
Get right to the cusp of space, and then eat lots of beans.
I would love to be the first man to shit myself into space!
On February 13 2005 08:38 dronebabo wrote: why is my penis so big?
On February 13 2005 09:26 Energies wrote: Because you saw your mother naked
Am I the only one who laughed at that ? :[
no ^^
how do you generate truly random numbers?
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Some guy was taking photos of a lava-lamp at decenty long intervals and then generating numbers from some of the pixels of the photo. Pretty random I'd say. :o)
Otherwise, quantum mechanics solves it. polarise a particle and measure the spin at right angle. Truly random. I guess you could use the LHC data actually, as that is from QM.
On December 05 2013 23:21 SC2Toastie wrote: Would it ever be possible within my life time (give it 80 years, be optimistic) to ever see something close to a Zergling via genetical mutation (given there's no ethical limits by the masses)?
I have a hard time seeing anything on an animal that suited at breaking through tank armor that you can't put on the tank as armor. And more because a tank has a diesel engine behind it.
You would most likely have to use some kind of acid or similar. I doubt you could arm it with anything else than that considering current technology.
On December 05 2013 23:21 SC2Toastie wrote: Would it ever be possible within my life time (give it 80 years, be optimistic) to ever see something close to a Zergling via genetical mutation (given there's no ethical limits by the masses)?
Unlikely. Or better: definde "zergling"
You sure can breed animals that are super fast and withstand bullets from current assault rifles. This is b/c they are designed to neutralize humans and humans are relatively fragile. So current logic is to decrease caliber/impact for more ammo. The more you shoot the more likely you hit.
so you can "armor" them in an appropriate way and send them on the field.
The problem though is that you can change the caliber/impact more easily than your breeding and there will come a point where you end up with something like a rhino instead of a cheetah b/c the armor actually weights something.
plus machine guns are super effective.
The real problem I see with this comes from something else: How to lead your zerglings if you don't have a telepathic overmind and how do you deal with tanks?
I have a hard time seeing anything on an animal that suited at breaking through tank armor that you can't put on the tank as armor. And more because a tank has a diesel engine behind it.
Did you just pull this entire thing out of your ass? There aren't very many animals that are just going to shrug off a modern day rifle calibre. And those that can are not particularly fast. If there was some ultra-fast creature that was resistant to our weapons we would live every day in fear of it.
Assault rifles being effective on humans is not because humans are fragile, you don't get to the top of the food chain by being fragile. The modern NATO 5.56 round is designed to maim, not kill. Because when you maim a soldier you remove him and the two men that have to carry him to safety from the equation.
Also, you can't just breed armor into a species. This isn't fucking Spore. Evolution occurs over millennia and you can't just add a turtle shell onto a lion to see what would happen.
On December 07 2013 07:57 iVLosK! wrote: The modern NATO 5.56 round is designed to maim, not kill.
That is a myth, 5.56 is actually designed to get the most killing power out of as small of a cartridge as possible, and is rather good at it. + Show Spoiler [ballistics images] +
7.62x51mm, a legitimate full sized rifle round for comparison
Do note that more penetration is not necessarily better, since that basically means that there's a higher chance of the round just passing straight though someone.
Hydrostatic shock is definitely a factor as well, so take raw ballistic data that only covers the area that the bullet entered with a grain of salt.
Of course, full size rifle rounds will have a higher chance of killing someone, but that doesn't mean that less powerful rounds were not designed to kill.
On December 05 2013 23:21 SC2Toastie wrote: Would it ever be possible within my life time (give it 80 years, be optimistic) to ever see something close to a Zergling via genetical mutation (given there's no ethical limits by the masses)?
Unlikely. Or better: definde "zergling"
You sure can breed animals that are super fast and withstand bullets from current assault rifles. This is b/c they are designed to neutralize humans and humans are relatively fragile. So current logic is to decrease caliber/impact for more ammo. The more you shoot the more likely you hit.
so you can "armor" them in an appropriate way and send them on the field.
The problem though is that you can change the caliber/impact more easily than your breeding and there will come a point where you end up with something like a rhino instead of a cheetah b/c the armor actually weights something.
plus machine guns are super effective.
The real problem I see with this comes from something else: How to lead your zerglings if you don't have a telepathic overmind and how do you deal with tanks?
I have a hard time seeing anything on an animal that suited at breaking through tank armor that you can't put on the tank as armor. And more because a tank has a diesel engine behind it.
Did you just pull this entire thing out of your ass? There aren't very many animals that are just going to shrug off a modern day rifle calibre. And those that can are not particularly fast. If there was some ultra-fast creature that was resistant to our weapons we would live every day in fear of it.
Assault rifles being effective on humans is not because humans are fragile, you don't get to the top of the food chain by being fragile. The modern NATO 5.56 round is designed to maim, not kill. Because when you maim a soldier you remove him and the two men that have to carry him to safety from the equation.
Also, you can't just breed armor into a species. This isn't fucking Spore. Evolution occurs over millennia and you can't just add a turtle shell onto a lion to see what would happen.
What the fuck is all this, even?
You could with genetic engineering. You've seen those rats with human ears growing on them right?
On December 07 2013 07:57 iVLosK! wrote: The modern NATO 5.56 round is designed to maim, not kill.
That is a myth, 5.56 is actually designed to get the most killing power out of as small of a cartridge as possible, and is rather good at it. + Show Spoiler [ballistics images] +
7.62x51mm, a legitimate full sized rifle round for comparison
Do note that more penetration is not necessarily better, since that basically means that there's a higher chance of the round just passing straight though someone.
Hydrostatic shock is definitely a factor as well, so take raw ballistic data that only covers the area that the bullet entered with a grain of salt.
Of course, full size rifle rounds will have a higher chance of killing someone, but that doesn't mean that less powerful rounds were not designed to kill.
Correct. While the 5.56 doesnt tranfer the same amount of force compared to an AK round, the "tumbling effect" that the bullet experiences when it passes through a target causes tremendous damage to the surrounding tissue, more so than a larger round that has a greater chance of passing cleanly through.
Added in the comparatively long effective range of the 5.56 round, and its among the deadliest in the world.
On December 07 2013 04:05 Ettick wrote: Was it predetermined for this thread to have been made or was it made according to the OP's free will?
Predestination for sure. His environment, upbringing, socio-economic status and various smaller variables led to the inevitable posting of this thread.
On December 07 2013 07:19 Orcasgt24 wrote: If I go to Japan will I have a increased chance at developing mutant powers?
Yes, but you may be at an increased risk for cancer, bone-marrow loss, and radiation sickness. The long-term affects can lead to genetic mutations, but these mutations are seldom utilizable by the individual suffering from them to be expressed as a "power".
On December 07 2013 11:29 Zambrah wrote: Whats the best Hogwarts house
I hate to say it, but Gryffindor is definitely the most influential house within Hogwarts by far, having the legendary Harry Potter within their ranks. The least popular house may actually be Hufflepuff, according to factmonster.
On December 07 2013 04:05 Ettick wrote: Was it predetermined for this thread to have been made or was it made according to the OP's free will?
Predestination for sure. His environment, upbringing, socio-economic status and various smaller variables led to the inevitable posting of this thread.
On December 07 2013 07:19 Orcasgt24 wrote: If I go to Japan will I have a increased chance at developing mutant powers?
Yes, but you may be at an increased risk for cancer, bone-marrow loss, and radiation sickness. The long-term affects can lead to genetic mutations, but these mutations are seldom utilizable by the individual suffering from them to be expressed as a "power".
On December 07 2013 11:29 Zambrah wrote: Whats the best Hogwarts house
I hate to say it, but Gryffindor is definitely the most influential house within Hogwarts by far, having the legendary Harry Potter within their ranks. The least popular house may actually be Hufflepuff, according to factmonster.
This simply isn't true. Unless you go into Fukushima and drink straight from the reactor leak itself or permanently move nearby, the increased radiation is negligible. Simply visiting Japan is nowhere near enough exposure to cause any issues. If it were, they'd have to evacuate the whole country wouldn't they?
On December 05 2013 23:21 SC2Toastie wrote: Would it ever be possible within my life time (give it 80 years, be optimistic) to ever see something close to a Zergling via genetical mutation (given there's no ethical limits by the masses)?
Unlikely. Or better: definde "zergling"
You sure can breed animals that are super fast and withstand bullets from current assault rifles. This is b/c they are designed to neutralize humans and humans are relatively fragile. So current logic is to decrease caliber/impact for more ammo. The more you shoot the more likely you hit.
so you can "armor" them in an appropriate way and send them on the field.
The problem though is that you can change the caliber/impact more easily than your breeding and there will come a point where you end up with something like a rhino instead of a cheetah b/c the armor actually weights something.
plus machine guns are super effective.
The real problem I see with this comes from something else: How to lead your zerglings if you don't have a telepathic overmind and how do you deal with tanks?
I have a hard time seeing anything on an animal that suited at breaking through tank armor that you can't put on the tank as armor. And more because a tank has a diesel engine behind it.
Did you just pull this entire thing out of your ass? There aren't very many animals that are just going to shrug off a modern day rifle calibre. And those that can are not particularly fast. If there was some ultra-fast creature that was resistant to our weapons we would live every day in fear of it.
Assault rifles being effective on humans is not because humans are fragile, you don't get to the top of the food chain by being fragile. The modern NATO 5.56 round is designed to maim, not kill. Because when you maim a soldier you remove him and the two men that have to carry him to safety from the equation.
Also, you can't just breed armor into a species. This isn't fucking Spore. Evolution occurs over millennia and you can't just add a turtle shell onto a lion to see what would happen.
What the fuck is all this, even?
You could with genetic engineering. You've seen those rats with human ears growing on them right?
Also, if you extend the timescale a bit, just take a look at dogs. In ~10000 years, we managed to turn a wolf into a Chihuahua, St. Bernards, Pugs, and whatever else there is out there. And the main changes happened during the last 1000 years. With selective breeding you can change an animal far quicker then evolution can.
I am pretty sure that within 1000-2000 years you of breeding you could create something that LOOKS a lot like a zergling. With genetic manipulation, a lot of money and no ethics probably a lot faster. The question now is what exactly makes a zergling a zergling. I am pretty sure that it is rather impossible to have something the size of a dog armored in a way that repels assault rifles and still moves that fast. At least without somehow greatly increasing the specific power of the muscles beyond anything we know. As zergling in SC can take about as much punishment as a marine in combat armor, which i would guess is ~2-5 cms of steel. Creating anything with that much armor that still moves that fast is not something that is likely to occur.
Though you have the advantage that you can pretty much ignore energy efficiency, which is something that evolution otherwise tends to work towards. A natural organism is usually not limited by what would be physically possible, but by what is energy efficient. There is no point in being able to fight off every predator when you starve to death because you have to feed large amounts of mostly useless muscles and brain. An engineered organism wouldn't have that problem.
EPT
I guess you could use the LHC data actually, as that is from QM.![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/aF3Jvcg.jpg)
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