So Vancouver lost game 7 of the Stanley Cup Final today to the Boston Bruins.
Rioting has commenced in downtown Vancouver on Homer and Georgia street and the surrounding intersections.
I am pretty embarrassed to call myself Canadian right now.
Riot police, fire fighters and the RCMP have all been dispatched and there is tear gas being used to try and get people to clear out the areas.
EDIT: Mass looting going on in the downtown area, dozens of cars burning.
EDIT2: For those of you who are saying its good that hockey fans are passionate about their team you are wrong, this isn't passion... it's a bunch of kids who found an excuse to burn and break shit. All the real fans went home.
The Next Day Let me say that I am extremely proud of the hundreds of people that turned out Thursday morning and volunteered their time and effort to clean up downtown Vancouver. Check out the photos on the facebook group! Fans against the Riot
psht thats nothing. thats literally the only car theyve torched. personally i was expecting much worse, but the vancouver PD has been preparing for this moment since the last time they lost in the finals 20 years ago, and things are going much, much better than they were last time.
and you're embarassed? fuck that, watching a riot caused purely by the loss of a hockey games gets me going all patriotic. nowhere else in the world is the greatest sport ever appreciated so much.
We'll see in the morning if they ACTUALLY riot, cuz right now I would call this a bit of a rollover on the part of the fans.
Edit: it appears they have begun to actually riot, so:
This is how it works: Every Canadian dreams of raising the stanley cup from the moment he can think for himself. When 99% of them realize that they aren't good enough to play any more, it becomes their dream to watch their team raise the cup, and for Vancouver, a team that has been around for 40 years without ever having won it, and now they not only had a chance, but they were expected to win. Most of these fans rioting have been cheering and carrying the colours for 15-20 years now, through all the trials and trebulation, and now it seemed to them that they would finally achieve it, until tonight. If you had been dreaming of something for 20 years, and then had it promised to you, only to have it ripped from your fingers at the last possible second, would you riot? I fucking would.
And @ people in this thread, man up. Seriously. This is Canada, and we go through hockey riots every year at this time, whether its montreal, vancouver, edmonton, or montreal (did i mention montreal?). Why is anybody even surprised about this? I thought we had come to expect this, and we've definitely learned how to handle it. Just stop being a bunch of pussies.
Edit 2: Okay the riots basically over. i give it a 4/10
I was down there its not to bad compared to some other stuff especially with the updated riot police from the olympics. a lot of dissapointed fans and just taking it out on our own city
On June 16 2011 14:10 EcstatiC wrote: psht thats nothing. thats literally the only car theyve torched. personally i was expecting much worse, but the vancouver PD has been preparing for this moment since the last time they lost in the finals 20 years ago, and things are going much, much better than they were last time
It's getting a lot worse and fast.
What sucks is this was bound to happen win or loss really. Think about it, it is the same fucking losers who think because their in a crowd of 100,000 + people that they can damage shit and act cool while millions watch. Just because they think they wont get caught...
It's sad how such a few amount of people can truly ruin it for millions of others....
On June 16 2011 14:10 EcstatiC wrote: psht thats nothing. thats literally the only car theyve torched. personally i was expecting much worse, but the vancouver PD has been preparing for this moment since the last time they lost in the finals 20 years ago, and things are going much, much better than they were last time.
and you're embarassed? fuck that, watching a riot caused purely by the loss of a hockey games gets me going all patriotic. nowhere else in the world is the greatest sport ever appreciated so much.
We'll see in the morning if they ACTUALLY riot, cuz right now I would call this a bit of a rollover on the part of the fans.
quoted for truth
sure, riots: bad...
of all the things to riot for? freedom? peace? hockey?
Why do people do stupid shit like this. It's just a sport, and the spectators hardly play at a competitive level, unlike starcraft where much of the community plays the game, and we didn't see a riot when idra got 4-0'ed by MC.
On June 16 2011 14:16 Cush wrote: My question is, why are they rioting? Was there some super bs call made by the refs? Or are they just crazy?
You riot because you can!
Some serious passion there. Was it as least a good game?
Speaking of GG, can you imagine if this happened at an MLG or something? I would laugh so hard!
They lost, and you get a couple jack-asses who want to use it to cause some crap, and as an excuse to engage in jackassery. Most people seem like they're just "there", more than participating, but as soon as a few people start doing stuff, others are bound to join in, and then it just spreads from there.
Hope this makes sense, I'm a bit drunk :p
EDIT:
On June 16 2011 14:20 archonOOid wrote: Isn't part of the canadian/hockey culture? At least nobody got seriously hurt.
I hope everyone knows it's not the 99.9% of fans who are decent people but the 0.1% of morons who just wanted to cause shit regardless and the morons hanging around for the show.
Go Canucks but I'm ashamed for Vancouver right now.
I just got back from that. We ended up taking one of the last skytrains out of Vancouver, and now some of the bus drivers don't want to drive difficult-to-deal-with passengers.
At first it was very calm, but it started to pick up quickly. Store windows have been broken into and people are looting now, right in front of TV cameras, and more cars are getting flipped and burned as other people cheer.
It's like a few hundred people of the THOUSANDS of people that went out to watch the game that are causing all this trouble. And it was more than a few fires that happened, I counted at least 5 different fires from the news footage I saw on TV. Now there is looting...but to think, Montreal probably has it worse.
On June 16 2011 14:16 Cush wrote: My question is, why are they rioting? Was there some super bs call made by the refs? Or are they just crazy?
cause we lost
I know that, my question is, whats the point? Are they so angry that they lost that they burned random cars?
Hockey is Canada's sport. When we lose to Americans some emo kids get so upset they rage and burn a car. They brought Molotov cocktails, so it was obviously planned in advance to burn things win or lose.
On June 16 2011 14:22 The..Architect wrote: I just got back from that. We ended up taking one of the last skytrains out of Vancouver, and now some of the bus drivers don't want to drive difficult-to-deal-with passengers.
At first it was very calm, but it started to pick up quickly. Store windows have been broken into and people are looting now, right in front of TV cameras, and more cars are getting flipped and burned as other people cheer.
Sounds like the G20/G8 riots in Toronto last year. At least those were politically motivated. Rioting over the NHL is seriously so stupid. This isn't some sort of "national rivalry" of some sort.
On June 16 2011 14:23 Phantom wrote: It's like a few hundred people of the THOUSANDS of people that went out to watch the game that are causing all this trouble. And it was more than a few fires that happened, I counted at least 5 different fires from the news footage I saw on TV. Now there is looting...but to think, Montreal probably has it worse.
Why would Montreal have it worse? Vancouver's quite populated and the game was being played there. Tons of people just gathered in the streets to watch the giant TV's streaming the game.
Canadian sports 'riots' are usually rather tame, yes some stuff (cars, garbage bins) gets set on fire, and mostly liquior store are smashed and grabbed
but actually serious injuries are rare, this isn't a violent event in the same context as other pats of the world would view it.
If one person died (as per comment above) that would be literally one of the deadlest sport riots in canaidan history
Been watching this. So far: Fights? Check. Looting? Check. Fires? Check. Destroyed cars and property? Check. Someone trying to jump over a burning car, falling into the fire, then running off with hands thrust in the air in triumph? Check.
don't understand why all these kids think it is some kind of huge party.
"I am distugested." "This is pathetic!" "A bunch of thugs!"
...why the hell would you stick around and give these guys a soapbox to stand on? Not only that but you are fueling their confidence and making it harder for the police to do anything to help the situation.
Honestly, at this point the police gave warnings that being in the riot zone could get you arrested/tear gassed/whatever via loud speakers hours ago, would anyone really casre if the police stareted to step it up? This shit is embaressing.
Been listening to a feed of Vancouver Fire/EMS radio scanner. There have been a ton of fires, a lot of them got worse than they needed to be because the areas were considered "hostile" and Fire was being told to stand down and stay at a safe distance by the Police. Things are being taken care of now, but it's sounding like they're stretched a bit thin. Heard one engine ended up out of water.
On June 16 2011 14:16 Cush wrote: My question is, why are they rioting? Was there some super bs call made by the refs? Or are they just crazy?
cause we lost
I know that, my question is, whats the point? Are they so angry that they lost that they burned random cars?
its not really the hockey fans doing all this. its mostly the drunk 20 year olds using it as an excuse to riot
I can't emphasize this enough. I'm completely heartbroken by the loss, but I would never, ever condone behavior like this. Embarrassing doesn't even begin to describe it
I feel like some of these people don't understand the shenanigans they are causing. They are hurting the image of Canuck fans, Vancouver as a city, and Canada as a whole. It is embarrassing.
TO think if this happened like two years ago the Olympics probably would have skipped Vancouver entirely...
Worse yet, imagine if Canada had lost to the US in the gold medal game and this shit happened. I am so glad we won.
On June 16 2011 14:16 The_LiNk wrote: I don't follow sports. Why do people riot when they lose? Edit: ^answered me. That's stupid and don't include me in this "we."
Riot at Anaheim if a non-American wins MLG, let's do it SC2 Community! We'll show them we're hardcore!
I would love nothing more than to watch a bunch of basement dwellers get wrecked by Cali's own anti-riot squads
don't understand why all these kids think it is some kind of huge party.
"I am distugested." "This is pathetic!" "A bunch of thugs!"
...why the hell would you stick around and give these guys a soapbox to stand on? Not only that but you are fueling their confidence and making it harder for the police to do anything to help the situation.
Honestly, at this point the police gave warnings that being in the riot zone could get you arrested/tear gassed/whatever via loud speakers hours ago, would anyone really casre if the police stareted to step it up? This shit is embaressing.
I completely agree with this. When people start burning cars and smashing windows it is time for everyone to leave.
Everyone is saying that it is a small group of people causing the problems and everyone else is just watching. If you are staying to watch you are part of the problem. Just get out and let the police handle the situation.
On June 16 2011 14:35 Irave wrote: Just a bunch of drunken hockey fans out to cause some trouble about a loss. It doesn't seem very massive but it shouldn't have come to this.
I don't even think its hockey fans. I've been watching one of the streams and there are literally people dressed up in all black with black bandanas an dark sunglasses going into stores and just causing trouble in general.
If MMA loses on Friday I'm lighting my neighbors cars and house on fire! Honestly though, people rioting to riot is just funny. I feel sad for those police officers that have to go back to the station in another officers car and tell the boss their car is on fire.
holy cow...if this is how MLG finals will be in the future...im scared for idra.....wasnt really rooting for either team in this series but this getting to game seven really was cool...i spent alot of time drunk in bars watching hockey these last few weeks, but it is crazy seeing riots = /
On June 16 2011 14:39 Demonace34 wrote: If MMA loses on Friday I'm lighting my neighbors cars and house on fire! Honestly though, people rioting to riot is just funny. I feel sad for those police officers that have to go back to the station in another officers car and tell the boss their car is on fire.
You don't understand. Hockey is Canada's sport. over 16 million people viewed it, and our population isn't massive. I'm not endorsing the actions of the rioters, but you will never understand the Canadian's passion for Hockey. From the day a Canadian is born, Hockey is in your blood.
As a Calgarian/Canadian it's really upsetting to see what I'm seeing in Vancouver atm. Canadians as a whole are better than that and rioting over a hockey game really misrepresents not only Vancouver but Canada as a whole on the international stage.
I was in a LoL match when I heard about this, it was from a dude in the match who said he was in Vancouver and people were flipping the fuck out outside...I thought he was trolling.......
On June 16 2011 14:44 yrba1 wrote: And I thought Raider fans in Oakland were crazy. Pretty ironic too seeing that hockey is Canada's sport and they lost lopsidedly to an American team.
An American team with 3 American players on the entire team -.-
This happens every time, an American team will win the cup and that team has only 1-2 Americans on the team
On June 16 2011 14:44 yrba1 wrote: And I thought Raider fans in Oakland were crazy. Pretty ironic too seeing that hockey is Canada's sport and they lost lopsidedly to an American team.
4-3 isn't really lopsided, although by the overall performance of Vancouver it should've been 4-0 for Boston lol (this is coming from a diehard Canucks fan that lives in Vancouver too :|)
I think it would've been better if Vancouver was more experienced to these types of losses. Boston has had teams crash on them (celtics/patriots/redsox) and also win (same teams) year in and year out. Vancouver only has the Canucks. No NBA teams (rip Grizzlies), no MLB teams, and CFL/Soccer is a joke.
Yeah, they're neither Canucks fans nor hockey fans. The real fans in the arena (after booing Bettman- heh, heh) gave a cheering salute to the Bruins and especially to Tim Thomas. Them's the real fans.
These rioters were kiddies when the Vancouver '94 post-final riot and wanted to replicate the event. Idiots.
On June 16 2011 14:44 yrba1 wrote: And I thought Raider fans in Oakland were crazy. Pretty ironic too seeing that hockey is Canada's sport and they lost lopsidedly to an American team.
An American team with 3 American players on the entire team -.-
This happens every time, an American team will win the cup and that team has only 1-2 Americans on the team
Yeah there's actually more Canadians on the Boston roster than the Vancouver roster lol
On June 16 2011 14:44 yrba1 wrote: And I thought Raider fans in Oakland were crazy. Pretty ironic too seeing that hockey is Canada's sport and they lost lopsidedly to an American team.
An American team with 3 American players on the entire team -.-
This happens every time, an American team will win the cup and that team has only 1-2 Americans on the team
Yeah, I think 16/22 of the Boston players were from Canada, and all of the coaches/trainers as well.
I'm hearing rumors that a Boston fan was killed. Anyone have a source?
On June 16 2011 14:44 yrba1 wrote: And I thought Raider fans in Oakland were crazy. Pretty ironic too seeing that hockey is Canada's sport and they lost lopsidedly to an American team.
On June 16 2011 14:39 Demonace34 wrote: If MMA loses on Friday I'm lighting my neighbors cars and house on fire! Honestly though, people rioting to riot is just funny. I feel sad for those police officers that have to go back to the station in another officers car and tell the boss their car is on fire.
You don't understand. Hockey is Canada's sport. over 16 million people viewed it, and our population isn't massive. I'm not endorsing the actions of the rioters, but you will never understand the Canadian's passion for Hockey. From the day a Canadian is born, Hockey is in your blood.
Yeah, I guess I just see these sports as games. Even if I am overly passionate about something, it doesn't make sense to riot over it. I just hope my team plays better next year no matter how heartbroken I am.
On June 16 2011 14:44 yrba1 wrote: And I thought Raider fans in Oakland were crazy. Pretty ironic too seeing that hockey is Canada's sport and they lost lopsidedly to an American teamAmerican team with 16 out of 20 players being Canadian.
Fixed that for you.
^_^
But yeah, 16 million unique viewers from TV alone (disregarding live streams and multiple viewers per household) in a country with approximatly 36 million people in it is a ridiculous number. Hockey truely is embedded in our culture.
I can't believe this. I'm especially disgusted by the reports I've heard of people bringing weapons to the game, implying that they were planning violence. Looting, too! I honestly thought we were better than this. I know that it's a small proportion of the size of the audience, but I really was expecting it to be a small enough portion that nothing significant would happen. This is ridiculous!
And this is why I decided not to go downtown to watch the game today. This was going to happen win or lose. It's idiotic, unfortunate, and an embarrassment to our fantastic city.
On June 16 2011 14:44 yrba1 wrote: And I thought Raider fans in Oakland were crazy. Pretty ironic too seeing that hockey is Canada's sport and they lost lopsidedly to an American team.
17 Canadians, 5 Americans, and a bunch of swedes and others.
In Short 85%+ of the people in the finals were Canadian.
Also the majority of American posts in this thread have been complete trash with almost no intellectual backing, and a considerable number of generalizations.
On June 16 2011 14:55 FlyingSheeps wrote: I can't wait for the "Police abused their power" crap next week.
fucking hippies probably will be saying that, i saw a cop using his club, and im sure some mom was like oh my god hes trying to kill that poor rioter!!!
I had to ride my bike fast out of that hell hole. My girlfriend is at a friends downtown and is not coming home tonight, cuz the streets are blocked off and there is no transit right now. -____- So stupid.
On June 16 2011 14:10 EcstatiC wrote: psht thats nothing. thats literally the only car theyve torched. personally i was expecting much worse, but the vancouver PD has been preparing for this moment since the last time they lost in the finals 20 years ago, and things are going much, much better than they were last time.
and you're embarassed? fuck that, watching a riot caused purely by the loss of a hockey games gets me going all patriotic. nowhere else in the world is the greatest sport ever appreciated so much.
We'll see in the morning if they ACTUALLY riot, cuz right now I would call this a bit of a rollover on the part of the fans.
Edit: it appears they have begun to actually riot, so:
This is how it works: Every Canadian dreams of raising the stanley cup from the moment he can think for himself. When 99% of them realize that they aren't good enough to play any more, it becomes their dream to watch their team raise the cup, and for Vancouver, a team that has been around for 40 years without ever having won it, and now they not only had a chance, but they were expected to win. Most of these fans rioting have been cheering and carrying the colours for 15-20 years now, through all the trials and trebulation, and now it seemed to them that they would finally achieve it, until tonight. If you had been dreaming of something for 20 years, and then had it promised to you, only to have it ripped from your fingers at the last possible second, would you riot? I fucking would.
And @ people in this thread, man up. Seriously. This is Canada, and we go through hockey riots every year at this time, whether its montreal, vancouver, edmonton, or montreal (did i mention montreal?). Why is anybody even surprised about this? I thought we had come to expect this, and we've definitely learned how to handle it. Just stop being a bunch of pussies.
Edit 2: Okay the riots basically over. i give it a 4/10
I find things like this disgusting, I'm all for rooting for you favorite team. Whether that is in football, soccer, baseball, hockey, or fucking tennis, but to riot cause millions of dollars in damages, and basically be a bunch of complete idiots is un-called for. I don't give a shit what race, country, or religion you belong to, you should be so selfish and idiotic.
These things are on all levels wrong, and to tell people to stop being pussies is so ridiculously immature of you. The only people who are being total pussies are the people rioting because they are upset that there team lost, it's just hard for me to fathom this kind of stupidity. And I live in the United States, where this shit happens all the dumbass time.
On June 16 2011 15:01 MangoTango wrote: Still nothing compared to Euro soccer crazies.
Living in Boston and the revelers in the street are pretty crazy too.
There's nothing like a spot of good old football hooliganism
(I'm joking lol, never been to a football game in my life and it hasn't really been bad in this country since the 80's, places like Poland and Russia though? crazy shit does down)
Apparently Twitter is on fire with news of a Boston fan being killed (they're undecided as to whether he was stabbed or pushed off an overpass). Has anyone heard anything?
On June 16 2011 14:54 Zirith wrote: Also the majority of American posts in this thread have been complete trash with almost no intellectual backing, and a considerable number of generalizations.
Please don't start with all this 'Americans are ignorant, redneck, idiots' crap. In the same way that I don't say that Canadians are mindless, violent, rioters just because of these riots in Vancouver, you can't label Americans based on a few posts. I'm 99% sure those aren't even hockey fans, they probably just came in here when they saw it in the sidebar and decided they would try to boost their post count. It could just as easily been Canadians making those posts.
On June 16 2011 15:07 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: Apparently Twitter is on fire with news of a Boston fan being killed (they're undecided as to whether he was stabbed or pushed off an overpass). Has anyone heard anything?
Last I heard CTV was backing down from earlier claims that there was a death. As of now there's no confirmed fatalities. (I think.)
On June 16 2011 15:07 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: Apparently Twitter is on fire with news of a Boston fan being killed (they're undecided as to whether he was stabbed or pushed off an overpass). Has anyone heard anything?
On CTV they just said that a man was stabbed and they showed him going off in a stretcher with his thumb in the air.
Please don't start with all this 'Americans are ignorant, redneck, idiots' crap. In the same way that I don't say that Canadians are mindless, violent, rioters just because of these riots in Vancouver, you can't label Americans based on a few posts. I'm 99% sure those aren't even hockey fans, they probably just came in here when they saw it in the sidebar and decided they would try to boost their post count. It could just as easily been Canadians making those posts.
Please read what I wrote then go over the useless posts, and then look at your post and see how you are justifying my "thread-centric" stereotypical comment.
These rioters are just drunk: band-wagoners , douche bags , gangster wannabes, or actual thugs. Not a good sample of Canadians or Vancouvrites =/. Too bad stupidity is imba and global(twitter). We're getting bad rep because we have stupid people in our city and stupid people are just .... well stupid.
On June 16 2011 15:15 Irave wrote: This footage is insane, the cameraman from CTV just walking among the crowd.
I have huge respect for the journalist and cameraman (I'm not sure which station I was watching, CBC maybe) just walking around outside the bay with a single security guard while shit's on fire all around them.
it's emotional when you lose a stanley cup as a favorite, even more so when you lose in game 7. people are freaking out over the tarnishing of the image of a canadian, but i could care less. we riot over sports, not over homosexuals or terrorists . they're just stupid people doing stupid shit. i feel bad for property owners and people getting hurt.
i could care less about bad rep. any rep is good rep yo. if we won the stanley cup parades would have been fucking a-mazing. we lose riots happen, we win we'll party for the next 2 months. it's vancouvah babee.
I just logged on battle.net and some guy one gas four gated me. He said he was angry about the riots in Vancouver. So I hopped on here and the guy does have justification o.o
On June 16 2011 15:19 sCfO20 wrote: God damn dude, soccer fans take this shit so seriously, yet I never understood why.
Same with those crazy ass baseball fans that beat people into coma.
If there is an answer, would someone care to share?
I don't have a real answer, because I don't understand it myself. But a few insights: 1. People really love their sports (myself included). People love to get behind their cities and their teams. 2. People get drunk 3. With the bigger riots there is probably a certain degree of safety felt because of anonymity (in that there are so many people they will not be singled out), the same way people are complete assholes on the internet because they know that they will not suffer any real world consequences. 4. Some people are idiots to start with. 5. Some people are really just looking for trouble and use the guise of a sports team to start it 6. Some people think it's fun to cause destruction and live on the edge and fuck with the police- basically its all just a way to have fun for them
On June 16 2011 15:19 sCfO20 wrote: God damn dude, soccer fans take this shit so seriously, yet I never understood why.
Same with those crazy ass baseball fans that beat people into coma.
If there is an answer, would someone care to share?
I don't have a real answer, because I don't understand it myself. But a few insights: 1. People really love their sports (myself included). People love to get behind their cities and their teams. 2. People get drunk 3. With the bigger riots there is probably a certain degree of safety felt because of anonymity (in that there are so many people they will not be singled out), the same way people are complete assholes on the internet because they know that they will not suffer any real world consequences. 4. Some people are idiots to start with. 5. Some people are really just looking for trouble and use the guise of a sports team to start it 6. Some people think it's fun to cause destruction and live on the edge and fuck with the police- basically its all just a way to have fun for them
Yeah good points. There was lines outside of Sports Bars at 9 AM for this game so there was definately a ton of drinking. Liquior stores did close early in Vancouver, and many businesses boarded up their windows prior as well.
Others think hey it's a chance to do whatever i want and get away with it.... I've seen a lot of vigilante type people too though. When those 2 police cars were getting flipped a young man was on the ground pulling people off the cars who were jumping on them. And the man who lit the cars on fire was jumped by the crowd.
These guys are not "Canucks Fans". They are anarchists. Its so disgraceful. I know a whole bunch of people who are in downtown still who are there just to watch it live - but they don't realize that their very presence there provides support and encouragement for the people doing actual damage and provides deterrence for enforcement officials.
These are not Canuck fans, these are not hockey fans. These are the same idiots who donned black masks and rioted during the pre-Olympic protests. So much pre-meditation, it was going to happen regardless of whether Vancouver won or lost.
The loss hurt, but I was recovering from it until I heard all this bullshit. This is salt in the wound.
BTW, its sure not speculation that the boston fan was stabbed and killed seeing as how i saw a picture of him lying on the ground dead on the skytrain coming home, also yes a man either fell or jumped off the overpass by Rogers Arena (he wasnt pushed like some people are saying), another man was curb stomped to death after yelling something along the lines of "LANGLEY ROCKS" (greater vancouver city), a couple non-fatally stabbed people, and someone i know had his finger bitten off.
I don't blame people for not being able to leave in the initial confusion and what not especially if you came from out of town and have no fucking clue at how the city is laid out. I live in Surrey and I would have no idea where to go especially if I'm in a huge crowd of fights and smoke.
I think the news is blowing it way out of proportion now. There's only like 100-200 people still milling around from what I'm seeing and 95% are just standing there.
Idk what people expect as a better "crowd control" start shooting people as soon as anything gets out of hand? If you have a thousands of people some of them are going to do stupid shit there is really nothing the police can do until the big portion clear out.
For those people asking why people react this way is because of one word...PASSION. Most fans emotionally invest into a team too a point that isnt normal, but thats the norm now to be that passionate. Seeing that does make me feel like, hell ya, proud to be canadian. I just wish the leafs could get to the finals for once so I can get a chance to be part of the mayhem that was vancouver DT. *Also some of the "passion" is just alcohol induced carnage...lewl
On June 16 2011 15:40 Atasu wrote: For those people asking why people react this way is because of one word...PASSION. Most fans emotionally invest into a team too a point that isnt normal, but thats the norm now to be that passionate. Seeing that does make me feel like, hell ya, proud to be canadian. I just wish the leafs could get to the finals for once so I can get a chance to be part of the mayhem that was vancouver DT. *Also some of the "passion" is just alcohol induced carnage...lewl
I was downtown and i dont believe any of it was from passionate fans, most of it i saw was caused by anarchists looking for an excuse to destroy shit
On June 16 2011 15:42 Engore wrote: Someone should have wrote on a sign.. "Come on Canada its only hockey.." and hung it outside a window on one of the buildings lol.
Pretty sure that building would be burned. You don't say "its only hockey.." in Canada.
16 million unique viewers for game 7 Stanley Cup game. And our country has somethin like 36 million people....
On June 16 2011 15:36 soullogik wrote: just making bostons win more entertaining lol
You're an idiot. These riots are destroying thousands and thousands of dollars worth of property, there are people injured and rumors that a Boston fan may have been killed. Is that entertaining to you? You are literally an embarrassment to America and are part of the reason why everyone hates on America. And I'm from Boston, so it's not like I'm some Canadian or European just hating on Americans again. If you're going to make stupid comments at least take the 'United States' tag off of your profile so that people don't think that everyone from the US is as dumb as you are.
On June 16 2011 15:36 soullogik wrote: just making bostons win more entertaining lol
You're an idiot. These riots are destroying thousands and thousands of dollars worth of property, there are people injured and rumors that a Boston fan may have been killed. Is that entertaining to you? You are literally an embarrassment to America and are part of the reason why everyone hates on America. And I'm from Boston, so it's not like I'm some Canadian or European just hating on Americans again. If you're going to make stupid comments at least take the 'United States' tag off of your profile so that people don't think that everyone from the US is as dumb as you are.
I'm enjoying the entertainment of morons. Plus it's called insurance for the property damage. If there was a death that sucks though I don't like that.
On June 16 2011 15:36 soullogik wrote: just making bostons win more entertaining lol
You're an idiot. These riots are destroying thousands and thousands of dollars worth of property, there are people injured and rumors that a Boston fan may have been killed. Is that entertaining to you? You are literally an embarrassment to America and are part of the reason why everyone hates on America. And I'm from Boston, so it's not like I'm some Canadian or European just hating on Americans again. If you're going to make stupid comments at least take the 'United States' tag off of your profile so that people don't think that everyone from the US is as dumb as you are.
I'm enjoying the entertainment of morons. Plus it's called insurance for the property damage. If there was a death that sucks though I don't like that.
There has been multiple beatings and stabbings. I'll bet that there will be at least a couple of deaths.
So sad and fucking stupid. Such a shame that things like this even happen.
On June 16 2011 15:36 soullogik wrote: just making bostons win more entertaining lol
You're an idiot. These riots are destroying thousands and thousands of dollars worth of property, there are people injured and rumors that a Boston fan may have been killed. Is that entertaining to you? You are literally an embarrassment to America and are part of the reason why everyone hates on America. And I'm from Boston, so it's not like I'm some Canadian or European just hating on Americans again. If you're going to make stupid comments at least take the 'United States' tag off of your profile so that people don't think that everyone from the US is as dumb as you are.
On June 16 2011 15:49 Talack wrote: Psh this is nothing. Last a few hours and cause a few million in damages which insurance companies will pay for.
"Ashamed to be canadian" lol. I'm proud of those people right now, they should be mad. It's incredibly important to canadians.
Yep, good thing we spent tons of money in police resources.... Will insurance cover that too?
Don't be rediculous. Insurance won't make up for the fact that people have been killed. Insurance wont cover the crap that is gonna have to be cleaned off the streets. Im a Proud Canadian, but these people are just disgusting.
On June 16 2011 15:49 Talack wrote: Psh this is nothing. Last a few hours and cause a few million in damages which insurance companies will pay for.
"Ashamed to be canadian" lol. I'm proud of those people right now, they should be mad. It's incredibly important to canadians.
You're an idiot.
I live in Vancouver. This had nothing to do with hockey. It's a bunch of drunk idiots that started a mob and looking for an excuse to destroy cars and loot stores.
On June 16 2011 15:53 yosisoy wrote: Was there some kind of refereeing scandal that these people are so pissed off? Talk about sore losers!
Whoever says he's proud of these rioters I have 2 words for you: Don't breed.
No people were just drunk idiots. And It's Canada so we care (maybe too much...) about our hockey. Hockey Night in Canada on the CBC! It's watched and loved by ridiculous amounts of Canadians. How many countries have over 50% of their country's population watch a sport on TV (not even counting the viewer parties...).
We're passionate about our hockey. The problem is all the idiots who planned to make trouble in advance. They brought Molotov Cocktails to the streets when they watched the games.. you don't do that unless you plan on causing shit.
On June 16 2011 15:53 yosisoy wrote: Was there some kind of refereeing scandal that these people are so pissed off? Talk about sore losers!
Whoever says he's proud of these rioters I have 2 words for you: Don't breed.
actually threre have been some questionable calls, and not just the ref'ing. but thats for discussion elsewhere.
Reffing scandal or not, it wouldn't have made much, if any, difference considering the absolute failure of the vancouver powerplay during the series. Especially giving up more SH goals than PP goals lol
The main trouble-makers of the riot would have been doing this regardless of a win or a loss. It's a small small group of people doing the burning/looting and 90% of it is just spectactors/fans of the game screaming and being dumb lol.
On June 16 2011 15:53 yosisoy wrote: Was there some kind of refereeing scandal that these people are so pissed off? Talk about sore losers!
Whoever says he's proud of these rioters I have 2 words for you: Don't breed.
actually threre have been some questionable calls, and not just the ref'ing. but thats for discussion elsewhere.
Reffing scandal or not, it wouldn't have made much, if any, difference considering the absolute failure of the vancouver powerplay during the series. Especially giving up more SH goals than PP goals lol
Yeah no, im not saying we woulda won because of it, but it sure added to the anger. Although whats happened is quite inexcusable
Well at least now that we lost, the dumbass bandwagon fans, whos complete lack of game knowledge I've had to endure throughout this playoff run can f*ck off...
On June 16 2011 15:36 soullogik wrote: just making bostons win more entertaining lol
You're an idiot. These riots are destroying thousands and thousands of dollars worth of property, there are people injured and rumors that a Boston fan may have been killed. Is that entertaining to you? You are literally an embarrassment to America and are part of the reason why everyone hates on America. And I'm from Boston, so it's not like I'm some Canadian or European just hating on Americans again. If you're going to make stupid comments at least take the 'United States' tag off of your profile so that people don't think that everyone from the US is as dumb as you are.
lol u seem mad
And you seem retarded. But when I wake up in the morning I won't be mad any more and you'll still be retarded.
On June 16 2011 15:36 soullogik wrote: just making bostons win more entertaining lol
You're an idiot. These riots are destroying thousands and thousands of dollars worth of property, there are people injured and rumors that a Boston fan may have been killed. Is that entertaining to you? You are literally an embarrassment to America and are part of the reason why everyone hates on America. And I'm from Boston, so it's not like I'm some Canadian or European just hating on Americans again. If you're going to make stupid comments at least take the 'United States' tag off of your profile so that people don't think that everyone from the US is as dumb as you are.
lol u seem mad
And you seem retarded. But when I wake up in the morning I won't be mad any more and you'll still be retarded.
On June 16 2011 16:03 DminusTerran wrote: Well at least now that we lost, the dumbass bandwagon fans, whos complete lack of game knowledge I've had to endure throughout this playoff run can f*ck off...
oh god I know.... watching with some RL friends in huge group then the one guy who screams "OMG THAT WAS ICING/OFFSIDE/INTERFERENCE!"
On June 16 2011 16:03 DminusTerran wrote: Well at least now that we lost, the dumbass bandwagon fans, whos complete lack of game knowledge I've had to endure throughout this playoff run can f*ck off...
On June 16 2011 15:53 yosisoy wrote: Was there some kind of refereeing scandal that these people are so pissed off? Talk about sore losers!
Whoever says he's proud of these rioters I have 2 words for you: Don't breed.
actually threre have been some questionable calls, and not just the ref'ing. but thats for discussion elsewhere.
Reffing scandal or not, it wouldn't have made much, if any, difference considering the absolute failure of the vancouver powerplay during the series. Especially giving up more SH goals than PP goals lol
Yeah no, im not saying we woulda won because of it, but it sure added to the anger. Although whats happened is quite inexcusable
As a neutral spectator I was shocked at how often and easily Canucks' players fell to ground (ice lol). More than once I had to pinch myself to confirm that I wasn't in some crazy dream where I was watching La Liga on ice.
Fans should be upset at their own flopping players, not the officials. =P
For the majority of people it was just major disappointment at the result of the game. People were expecting a one goal game in Vancouver with great scoring chances, great saves, great plays and relatively clean play. What we got was a one sided game that was slowly slipping out of control due to the refs calling barely anything.
The aftermath on the other hand was the result of a few people who decided that trashing downtown would be a good idea. I'd assume the instigators would've started the shit regardless but if we won, they would've been shut down fast to preserve the family friendly downtown that the city was going for but since we lost, a lot of people are just hanging around to watch the carnage, especially the people who were congregating around the fires, throwing stuff into the fires and taking pictures and generally impeding the police's ability to get the people who were actually causing damage.
On June 16 2011 16:03 DminusTerran wrote: Well at least now that we lost, the dumbass bandwagon fans, whos complete lack of game knowledge I've had to endure throughout this playoff run can f*ck off...
until next year at least. =/
Yeah lol, but they never start to care till post season rolls around. That's a good lot of time that my ears will be free of that unbearable bile.
I am so ashamed to be associated with vancouver in any way (I live in a Major City beside Vancouver). It's sad both times in the last 15 years that Vancouver has lost the Stanley Cup finals that a riot was started. I understand being mad, but why take it out on the city? Vancouver got outplayed. Boston played to win, and Vancouver played with very little passion at all. I think the NHL should take away Vancouver's team. Maybe they would learn something.
On June 16 2011 15:36 soullogik wrote: just making bostons win more entertaining lol
You're an idiot. These riots are destroying thousands and thousands of dollars worth of property, there are people injured and rumors that a Boston fan may have been killed. Is that entertaining to you? You are literally an embarrassment to America and are part of the reason why everyone hates on America. And I'm from Boston, so it's not like I'm some Canadian or European just hating on Americans again. If you're going to make stupid comments at least take the 'United States' tag off of your profile so that people don't think that everyone from the US is as dumb as you are.
lol u seem mad
And you seem retarded. But when I wake up in the morning I won't be mad any more and you'll still be retarded.
you live in boston & your mad... makes sense. but maybe your dog died today or something
i am very entertained by the Canadians, not including stabbings lulz
I'm done with you man, you post like an 10 year old.
On June 16 2011 16:15 Barett wrote: I am so ashamed to be associated with vancouver in any way (I live in a Major City beside Vancouver). It's sad both times in the last 15 years that Vancouver has lost the Stanley Cup finals that a riot was started. I understand being mad, but why take it out on the city? Vancouver got outplayed. Boston played to win, and Vancouver played with very little passion at all. I think the NHL should take away Vancouver's team. Maybe they would learn something.
For the thousandth time: the riot had nothing to do with the hockey game. People showed up with the intent to start shit whether we won or lost. Scumbags like that exist everywhere in the world, not just in Vancouver.
Hahahaha, thank you for posting this. I think my new time filler now that hockey is over is going to be watching all these idiots get thrown in jail one by one as the cops identify them. Justice will be served...I hope.
On June 16 2011 16:19 Kaneh wrote: I'm just wondering if people have ever seen or heard of football/soccer riots. people should go look those up sometime
Do soccer riots end with a thousand or so people, wandering around for 4 hours, starting car fires, smashing in windows and looting four major department stores?
I live in Calgary and was on the Red Mile when the Flames lost game 7 in 2004. We didn't riot and trash our own city, and it seems just inexcusable that the riots happened. Vancouver as a city should be ashamed. There was only minor rioting when the Oilers lost in game 7, i don't recall the year. I did hear something about organized looters being present a short while after the riots started, but that doesn't excuse or explain the widespread damage that occurred. SMH VANCOUVER.
On June 16 2011 16:14 Sea_Food wrote: I touht the general stereotype for a canadian was calm an friendly?
And no, saying its just the minority doing crazy shit does not make it any less worse.
Why doesn't it make any less worse? Weren't there a small minority of Finnish people who went over to Sweden after winning WC2011 and ran people over with cars and burned a Swedish flag? But I don't generalize and say that Finnish people all do crazy shit like that. Same goes for what's going on in Vancouver.
Hahahaha, thank you for posting this. I think my new time filler now that hockey is over is going to be watching all these idiots get thrown in jail one by one as the cops identify them. Justice will be served...I hope.
I mean really... lets admit to commiting several crimes on the internets, and then he adds a bunch of smileys and LIKES his own post proving he has absolutely no regret for his actions and that he is a big enough douche to like his own post.
I almost feel like with a decent lawyer he could get sent to an insane asylum.
On June 16 2011 16:15 Barett wrote: I am so ashamed to be associated with vancouver in any way (I live in a Major City beside Vancouver). It's sad both times in the last 15 years that Vancouver has lost the Stanley Cup finals that a riot was started. I understand being mad, but why take it out on the city? Vancouver got outplayed. Boston played to win, and Vancouver played with very little passion at all. I think the NHL should take away Vancouver's team. Maybe they would learn something.
Taking away the team doesn't really solve the underlying problem of why riots occur. I do not like whats happening in Vancouver especially with mass destruction of property in the downtown core.
Montreal is a prime example of riots after hockey games.... and quite a few of them happened in its existence. I believe that there will be no 100% guarantee way of preventing riots especially in Montreal after very intense hockey games especially in later rounds of the playoffs (such as the finals)... and that can be said about very big hockey markets with passionate fans such as Vancouver.... Boston and Philadelphia.....
Hahahaha, thank you for posting this. I think my new time filler now that hockey is over is going to be watching all these idiots get thrown in jail one by one as the cops identify them. Justice will be served...I hope.
Yea with people like this guy posting his tale on facebook when he gets home. Everyone having a cellphone taking pictures and videos many people are going to easily be held accountable for the acts of tonight's riot.
I called Vancouver losing as well as a riot happening afterwards. However, I never expected it to escalate as far as it did. Really Vancouver? It wasn't hard to see it coming and this is how you deal with it? Embarassed with fucking everyone down there. There's plenty of people talking about their downtown adventure but they add a little disclaimer to the end stating 'don't worry, I was just a spectator'. Yeah well guess what if you stood there watching and did nothing you were a huge part of the fucking problem. Tens of thousands of spectators watching the riot and making it so the police can't do anything about it. Good fucking job, smart people all around.
On June 16 2011 16:14 Sea_Food wrote: I touht the general stereotype for a canadian was calm an friendly?
And no, saying its just the minority doing crazy shit does not make it any less worse.
Why doesn't it make any less worse? Weren't there a small minority of Finnish people who went over to Sweden after winning WC2011 and ran people over with cars and burned a Swedish flag? But I don't generalize and say that Finnish people all do crazy shit like that. Same goes for what's going on in Vancouver.
No. A minority of people drived to sweden, then opened car windows and then honked honked and laughed at swedes. Or at atleast thats erything i remember reading and seeing, gotta check somewhere.
I'd use some discretion while browsing this. Most of it is people against it, but people are posting some pictures of the event and some really are NSFW and pretty graphic.
Why would anyone be surprised or ashamed of this? Breaking stuff is the natural response of drunk angry fans to losing competitions. Just because we do it mainly behind closed doors as ESPORTS fans doesn't mean we shouldn't support it. As true ESPORTS fans we need to take inspiration from the Canucks on successful rioting. How can ESPORTS aspire to be a mainstream professional sporting event without ever producing equally disciplined and passionate rioters.
On June 16 2011 16:48 Philo wrote: Why would anyone be surprised or ashamed of this? Breaking stuff is the natural response of drunk angry fans to losing competitions. Just because we do it mainly behind closed doors as ESPORTS fans doesn't mean we shouldn't support it. As true ESPORTS fans we need to take inspiration from the Canucks on successful rioting. How can ESPORTS aspire to be a mainstream professional sporting event without ever producing equally disciplined and passionate rioters.
I am embarrassed as a Canadian because this is immature and has nothing but negative impact on everything.
This isn't who we are as a country, it is the world we should live in, and quite frankly it does nothing but show that despite thinking we are civilized people, a little booze and emotion turns crowds into big giant temper tantrums.
I don't see why we should think it is acceptable... in my eyes it is a complete and utter debacle.
On June 16 2011 16:26 Teddyjex wrote: I live in Calgary and was on the Red Mile when the Flames lost game 7 in 2004. We didn't riot and trash our own city, and it seems just inexcusable that the riots happened. Vancouver as a city should be ashamed. There was only minor rioting when the Oilers lost in game 7, i don't recall the year. I did hear something about organized looters being present a short while after the riots started, but that doesn't excuse or explain the widespread damage that occurred. SMH VANCOUVER.
Fuck that, I'm not gonna be ashamed for the conduct of a bunch of complete idiots just because I share the first 2 digits of a postal code with them.
I will be pissed though - I'm not sure who has died since everything seems so rumour-esque, but I heard from 1 (bad) source that 2 Boston fans were killed - that is disgusting. I'm not taking any guilt to sleep, but I sure as hell will beat the shit out of any Vancouver fans who condone it or were involved.
Anyone who supports this kind of behaviour is equally as pathetic as those perpetrating it. you are as much as waste of human life as they are.
pushing over a car because your sports team lost a game? Thats somebody's car, it belongs to them! They probably worked very hard for it, and used it in their everyday life, to get to work and to get around. How dare you destroy it on a silly little whim, or condone the destruction of it from afar?
Its utterly pathetic and words cannot express how contemptible they are.
On June 16 2011 16:14 Sea_Food wrote: I touht the general stereotype for a canadian was calm an friendly?
And no, saying its just the minority doing crazy shit does not make it any less worse.
Why doesn't it make any less worse? Weren't there a small minority of Finnish people who went over to Sweden after winning WC2011 and ran people over with cars and burned a Swedish flag? But I don't generalize and say that Finnish people all do crazy shit like that. Same goes for what's going on in Vancouver.
No. A minority of people drived to sweden, then opened car windows and then honked honked and laughed at swedes. Or at atleast thats erything i remember reading and seeing, gotta check somewhere.
Ok i found info about ppl burning flags, but not anything abut running over swedes. But hey do you remember what we did when we lost to sweden in olympics 2006? We went to sleep early sad.
It's not even about the hockey game really. Most fans just went home. It's just the 0.01% of the population that was looking for an excuse to cause some destruction. They were waiting for it this time around. In '94 it took a few hours of escalating tension before the crowds got violent, this time there was a car burning within 5 minutes of the game being over.
On June 16 2011 16:57 Dhalphir wrote: what a bunch of pathetic retards.
there is nothing else to say
i hope they all die in the fires they set. getting that worked up over a game? get a fucking life or get the fuck off the planet.
Don't group the majority with the minority. There's probably only a few dozen out of two million people in the greater vancouver area that're actually instigating the riots. There's a few thousand that are contributing by just standing around spectating and not going home. There were around 70,000 people downtown at the peak tonight and given that some people went downtown specifically to riot/loot it's going to be a long night for the police.
On June 16 2011 16:57 Dhalphir wrote: what a bunch of pathetic retards.
there is nothing else to say
i hope they all die in the fires they set. getting that worked up over a game? get a fucking life or get the fuck off the planet.
Don't group the majority with the minority. There's probably only a few dozen out of two million people in the greater vancouver area that're actually instigating the riots. There's a few thousand that are contributing by just standing around spectating and not going home. There were around 70,000 people downtown at the peak tonight and given that some people went downtown specifically to riot/loot it's going to be a long night for the police.
by providing an audience for the idiots, they are enabling them to do what they want to do
when people are rioting, you go home and you secure your own property and you wait for it to subside
if you are going to stay, you pitch in and help stop it. If you don't want to help stop it (totally understandable through a fear for your own personal safety if you tried) you go home.
regardless, I was not lumping anyone into a group.
anyone who cares enough about a sport to actually cause property damage or violence is pathetic, regardless of who they are, who they injure, or what the property damage significance is. End of story.
On June 16 2011 16:14 Sea_Food wrote: I touht the general stereotype for a canadian was calm an friendly?
And no, saying its just the minority doing crazy shit does not make it any less worse.
Why doesn't it make any less worse? Weren't there a small minority of Finnish people who went over to Sweden after winning WC2011 and ran people over with cars and burned a Swedish flag? But I don't generalize and say that Finnish people all do crazy shit like that. Same goes for what's going on in Vancouver.
No. A minority of people drived to sweden, then opened car windows and then honked honked and laughed at swedes. Or at atleast thats erything i remember reading and seeing, gotta check somewhere.
Ok i found info about ppl burning flags, but not anything abut running over swedes. But hey do you remember what we did when we lost to sweden in olympics 2006? We went to sleep early sad.
Anyways, my point wasn't to embarrass Finnish people. It was just to point out that in any society, there's always some minority that does stupid ass stuff. Regardless of the magnitude of the stupidity we see, you still can't generalize from a minority to say that an entire population is stupid. You only get to generalize stuff if you major in math XD
On June 16 2011 16:57 Dhalphir wrote: what a bunch of pathetic retards.
there is nothing else to say
i hope they all die in the fires they set. getting that worked up over a game? get a fucking life or get the fuck off the planet.
Don't group the majority with the minority. There's probably only a few dozen out of two million people in the greater vancouver area that're actually instigating the riots. There's a few thousand that are contributing by just standing around spectating and not going home. There were around 70,000 people downtown at the peak tonight and given that some people went downtown specifically to riot/loot it's going to be a long night for the police.
by providing an audience for the idiots, they are enabling them to do what they want to do
when people are rioting, you go home and you secure your own property and you wait for it to subside
if you are going to stay, you pitch in and help stop it. If you don't want to help stop it (totally understandable through a fear for your own personal safety if you tried) you go home.
regardless, I was not lumping anyone into a group.
anyone who cares enough about a sport to actually cause property damage or violence is pathetic, regardless of who they are, who they injure, or what the property damage significance is. End of story.
The problem that police are apparently having is that a lot of the people who came from elsewhere in greater vancouver via public transit can't get out. The Skytrain/Canada Lines have been shut down to prevent damage to them, The major bridges out of downtown have been closed and a lot of buses aren't going downtown either. People are literally stuck downtown since they don't know how to get out since some of them relied on just getting on a bus or going to a skytrain station to get home.
On June 16 2011 16:19 Kaneh wrote: I'm just wondering if people have ever seen or heard of football/soccer riots. people should go look those up sometime
Do soccer riots end with a thousand or so people, wandering around for 4 hours, starting car fires, smashing in windows and looting four major department stores?
If you go to a Champions league game in Italy as an away fan you aren't allowed to leave the stadium for 3 hours so they can make sure you dont get stabbed.
On June 16 2011 16:57 Dhalphir wrote: what a bunch of pathetic retards.
there is nothing else to say
i hope they all die in the fires they set. getting that worked up over a game? get a fucking life or get the fuck off the planet.
Don't group the majority with the minority. There's probably only a few dozen out of two million people in the greater vancouver area that're actually instigating the riots. There's a few thousand that are contributing by just standing around spectating and not going home. There were around 70,000 people downtown at the peak tonight and given that some people went downtown specifically to riot/loot it's going to be a long night for the police.
by providing an audience for the idiots, they are enabling them to do what they want to do
when people are rioting, you go home and you secure your own property and you wait for it to subside
if you are going to stay, you pitch in and help stop it. If you don't want to help stop it (totally understandable through a fear for your own personal safety if you tried) you go home.
regardless, I was not lumping anyone into a group.
anyone who cares enough about a sport to actually cause property damage or violence is pathetic, regardless of who they are, who they injure, or what the property damage significance is. End of story.
The problem that police are apparently having is that a lot of the people who came from elsewhere in greater vancouver via public transit can't get out. The Skytrain/Canada Lines have been shut down to prevent damage to them, The major bridges out of downtown have been closed and a lot of buses aren't going downtown either. People are literally stuck downtown since they don't know how to get out since some of them relied on just getting on a bus or going to a skytrain station to get home.
That is just plain out not true. For hours the Skytrain, and seabus's have been running out of the downtown core... they are however only sending outbound traffic and not inbound traffic.
On June 16 2011 16:57 Dhalphir wrote: what a bunch of pathetic retards.
there is nothing else to say
i hope they all die in the fires they set. getting that worked up over a game? get a fucking life or get the fuck off the planet.
Don't group the majority with the minority. There's probably only a few dozen out of two million people in the greater vancouver area that're actually instigating the riots. There's a few thousand that are contributing by just standing around spectating and not going home. There were around 70,000 people downtown at the peak tonight and given that some people went downtown specifically to riot/loot it's going to be a long night for the police.
by providing an audience for the idiots, they are enabling them to do what they want to do
when people are rioting, you go home and you secure your own property and you wait for it to subside
if you are going to stay, you pitch in and help stop it. If you don't want to help stop it (totally understandable through a fear for your own personal safety if you tried) you go home.
regardless, I was not lumping anyone into a group.
anyone who cares enough about a sport to actually cause property damage or violence is pathetic, regardless of who they are, who they injure, or what the property damage significance is. End of story.
The problem that police are apparently having is that a lot of the people who came from elsewhere in greater vancouver via public transit can't get out. The Skytrain/Canada Lines have been shut down to prevent damage to them, The major bridges out of downtown have been closed and a lot of buses aren't going downtown either. People are literally stuck downtown since they don't know how to get out since some of them relied on just getting on a bus or going to a skytrain station to get home.
???? Both CBC and CTV reported almost every 5 minutes that the Sky train was open and will stay open until 2:30 AM. They said the Sky Train was only open for people leaving the area not coming in though.
On June 16 2011 16:57 Dhalphir wrote: what a bunch of pathetic retards.
there is nothing else to say
i hope they all die in the fires they set. getting that worked up over a game? get a fucking life or get the fuck off the planet.
Don't group the majority with the minority. There's probably only a few dozen out of two million people in the greater vancouver area that're actually instigating the riots. There's a few thousand that are contributing by just standing around spectating and not going home. There were around 70,000 people downtown at the peak tonight and given that some people went downtown specifically to riot/loot it's going to be a long night for the police.
by providing an audience for the idiots, they are enabling them to do what they want to do
when people are rioting, you go home and you secure your own property and you wait for it to subside
if you are going to stay, you pitch in and help stop it. If you don't want to help stop it (totally understandable through a fear for your own personal safety if you tried) you go home.
regardless, I was not lumping anyone into a group.
anyone who cares enough about a sport to actually cause property damage or violence is pathetic, regardless of who they are, who they injure, or what the property damage significance is. End of story.
The problem that police are apparently having is that a lot of the people who came from elsewhere in greater vancouver via public transit can't get out. The Skytrain/Canada Lines have been shut down to prevent damage to them, The major bridges out of downtown have been closed and a lot of buses aren't going downtown either. People are literally stuck downtown since they don't know how to get out since some of them relied on just getting on a bus or going to a skytrain station to get home.
???? Both CBC and CTV reported almost every 5 minutes that the Sky train was open and will stay open until 2:30 AM. They said the Sky Train was only open for people leaving the area not coming in though.
Okay I missed the part where it was one way. I just heard the part about closing skytrains/georgia viaduct to traffic and I assumed that that was a total closure.
This wasn't even about the Canucks losing anymore... people brought shit to riot, win or lose. Also, people that have jumped the bandwagon and saying shit like 'i can't believe i live in vancouver what an embarrassment' can go fuck themselves and move to toronto, where there will be no stanley cup finals to spectate.
I'm not gonna lie. Stupid riots like these are the reason why I stopped being a Lakers fan. I know.. basketball =/= hockey.
If my fucking Kings won the cup. I think I'd be a little bit of a rioter. Why? Because we've never won the cup. "Screw this city for taking so damn long". Just kidding.... but really...
As glad as I am that the 'nucks lost, I'm really disappointed that this shit (although totally expected), went down. It's always sad to hear about someone losing a life to an event like this. And I feel like posters suchas EcstatiC should be thoroughly ashamed about their posts. People RATE riots? That's insane and preposterous. Way to value the life of a dead man through a 1-10 scale. Even worse, people bragging about other cities where riots are bigger? What? Why would anyone be proud of their city acting so primitively? Not only that, but when other TLers are concerned, turn back around and call us pussies? I don't know if you've ever been raided before, but it's a terrible, and traumatic experience. If anyone is to grow up, it would be the people taking the situation so lightheartedly.
Hopefully not an exorbitant amount of monetary and emotional damage was done. Best of luck Vancouver
Hah I wish the Riots went on longer! Sure destruction and bodily harm sucks... BUT, he bigger the riot shows how much drunker/prouder the people causing it are... and as a Canadian I think we can compete with anyone for being proud and drunk! Besides Vancouver was too bloody expensive to lvie in before... maybe now they will lower the living costs xD
In all seriousness... I love you Vancouver! Though some may think this isn't a good way to show your support.. it sure as hell gets the point across! And really What better way to show support for Swedish twins and a one eyed god(Malhotra for those that didn't get reference) Then burning looting and pillaging! Epic!
Don't worry Canucks you'll slay the frost giant (Lol Chara) next year!
On June 16 2011 17:37 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Hah I wish the Riots went on longer! Sure destruction and bodily harm sucks... BUT, he bigger the riot shows how much drunker/prouder the people causing it are... and as a Canadian I think we can compete with anyone for being proud and drunk! Besides Vancouver was too bloody expensive to lvie in before... maybe now they will lower the living costs xD
In all seriousness... I love you Vancouver! Though some may think this isn't a good way to show your support.. it sure as hell gets the point across! And really What better way to show support for Swedish twins and a one eyed god(Malhotra for those that didn't get reference) Then burning looting and pillaging! Epic!
Don't worry Canucks you'll slay the frost giant (Lol Chara) next year!
go away please. you fit the category I talk about above perfectly.
On June 16 2011 17:26 Dhalphir wrote: the ill-educated bottom rung of society that riots/takes pleasure in rioting tends to look fairly similar everywhere in the world
On June 16 2011 17:37 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Hah I wish the Riots went on longer! Sure destruction and bodily harm sucks... BUT, he bigger the riot shows how much drunker/prouder the people causing it are... and as a Canadian I think we can compete with anyone for being proud and drunk! Besides Vancouver was too bloody expensive to lvie in before... maybe now they will lower the living costs xD
In all seriousness... I love you Vancouver! Though some may think this isn't a good way to show your support.. it sure as hell gets the point across! And really What better way to show support for Swedish twins and a one eyed god(Malhotra for those that didn't get reference) Then burning looting and pillaging! Epic!
Don't worry Canucks you'll slay the frost giant (Lol Chara) next year!
On June 16 2011 17:34 rza wrote: shits happend when a massive amount of people gather in a small area. loss or win, there would have been a riot i think.
well, by riot i mean, burning cars and looting.
If we won, it would've been minor damage because for the most part, the several dozen thugs would've stirred up trouble regardless, but the 100k+ happy fans in dt vancouver would be too busy celebrating to cause major damage. However there are a lot of people who are just looking for an excuse after losing and those people are the ones causing trouble.
I watched all of the game, including the cup presentation numbly on my couch at home, but I still respect the fact that Boston beat us. The fans who stayed behind in Rogers arena who stayed behind to cheer for the opposing team even as they lifted the cup are the true fans.
On June 16 2011 16:14 Sea_Food wrote: I touht the general stereotype for a canadian was calm an friendly?
And no, saying its just the minority doing crazy shit does not make it any less worse.
Why doesn't it make any less worse? Weren't there a small minority of Finnish people who went over to Sweden after winning WC2011 and ran people over with cars and burned a Swedish flag? But I don't generalize and say that Finnish people all do crazy shit like that. Same goes for what's going on in Vancouver.
No. A minority of people drived to sweden, then opened car windows and then honked honked and laughed at swedes. Or at atleast thats erything i remember reading and seeing, gotta check somewhere.
Ok i found info about ppl burning flags, but not anything abut running over swedes. But hey do you remember what we did when we lost to sweden in olympics 2006? We went to sleep early sad.
Anyways, my point wasn't to embarrass Finnish people. It was just to point out that in any society, there's always some minority that does stupid ass stuff. Regardless of the magnitude of the stupidity we see, you still can't generalize from a minority to say that an entire population is stupid. You only get to generalize stuff if you major in math XD
The source says thatthere were some fist figths and that someone got hit by a car, but it also says that no one was injured so badly that they couldnt walk to hospital by themself or would have had to stay in the hospital. The burning of flags were the worst tbh. Which again here in the north atleast find mearly an extreme case of disrespect.
On June 16 2011 17:37 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Hah I wish the Riots went on longer! Sure destruction and bodily harm sucks... BUT, he bigger the riot shows how much drunker/prouder the people causing it are... and as a Canadian I think we can compete with anyone for being proud and drunk! Besides Vancouver was too bloody expensive to lvie in before... maybe now they will lower the living costs xD
In all seriousness... I love you Vancouver! Though some may think this isn't a good way to show your support.. it sure as hell gets the point across! And really What better way to show support for Swedish twins and a one eyed god(Malhotra for those that didn't get reference) Then burning looting and pillaging! Epic!
Don't worry Canucks you'll slay the frost giant (Lol Chara) next year!
go away please.
take it easy, hes still drunk.
"ah I wish the Riots went on longer! Sure destruction and bodily harm sucks... BUT, he bigger the riot shows how much drunker/prouder the people causing it are"
Yeah, causing permanent destruction of property and perhaps injuring or killing people is definitely worth it to show people how drunk and proud you are!
Being drunk is not something to be proud of. Its an enjoyable past time, not some way to show how much of a man you are. You know what men don't do? injure others for fun.
On June 16 2011 17:20 lvlashimaro wrote: I'm not gonna lie. Stupid riots like these are the reason why I stopped being a Lakers fan. I know.. basketball =/= hockey.
If my fucking Kings won the cup. I think I'd be a little bit of a rioter. Why? Because we've never won the cup. "Screw this city for taking so damn long". Just kidding.... but really...
As glad as I am that the 'nucks lost, I'm really disappointed that this shit (although totally expected), went down. It's always sad to hear about someone losing a life to an event like this. And I feel like posters suchas EcstatiC should be thoroughly ashamed about their posts. People RATE riots? That's insane and preposterous. Way to value the life of a dead man through a 1-10 scale. Even worse, people bragging about other cities where riots are bigger? What? Why would anyone be proud of their city acting so primitively? Not only that, but when other TLers are concerned, turn back around and call us pussies? I don't know if you've ever been raided before, but it's a terrible, and traumatic experience. If anyone is to grow up, it would be the people taking the situation so lightheartedly.
Hopefully not an exorbitant amount of monetary and emotional damage was done. Best of luck Vancouver
Yes, if you take a step back an view things logically a riot is stupid and harmful... Critically Humans aren't exactly logical beings(Though we like to think we are). If you get to the core, we are just animals... and as animals we are territorially and extremely violent... And I for one think, that though the damage caused does suck... the outcome to see our basic instincts in full swing is rather entertaining... Call me primitive, call me horrible/disgusting etc. but I enjoy watching our race show its true colours. and it brings be a strange feeling of pride and hope that My Country has a chance hang with the big boys of sports riots(Europe and soccer) We're not there yet.. but dammit we are trying! Also you claim to be concerned by a loss of life... welcome to earth, people die by the thousands a minute... Yes it sucks and it prolly could be avoided(My condolences to the family) But we die... it happens people get fucked up all the time for stupid reasons/retarded freak accidents... deal with it.
On June 16 2011 17:34 rza wrote: shits happend when a massive amount of people gather in a small area. loss or win, there would have been a riot i think.
well, by riot i mean, burning cars and looting.
If we won, it would've been minor damage because for the most part, the several dozen thugs would've stirred up trouble regardless, but the 100k+ happy fans in dt vancouver would be too busy celebrating to cause major damage. However there are a lot of people who are just looking for an excuse after losing and those people are the ones causing trouble.
I watched all of the game, including the cup presentation numbly on my couch at home, but I still respect the fact that Boston beat us. The fans who stayed behind in Rogers arena who stayed behind to cheer for the opposing team even as they lifted the cup are the true fans.
true, it was very classy that almost all of the canucks fan stayed to cheer for boston.
LOL MAN im so glad i got out of there before the real ruccus started, people were throwing bottles at the huge 350 foot screen downtown before the game even ended.
Sears london drugs and sports chek had mass lootings as well as some smaller stores, and all the windowns were smashed of a BMO bank.
I heard that tons of cars in underground parking lots were set ablaze.
I also heard the guy who set fire to the first car, purposely brought that car down that and said "if the canucks lose im going to tip my truck over and set it on fire"
So many nice benzes and BMW's set on fire.
Their were quite a few police cars tipped over and set ablaze, i saw through the footage at least 5 different police cars get tipped over couple of them set on fire and burned to the ground
i saw angry mobs of 2000 people pushing back riot police while throwing whatever they could find at them, this riot is going to have cause far far far more damage then the one in 1994, it was a home team game and there were well over 100,000 people just in central downtown.
On June 16 2011 17:34 rza wrote: shits happend when a massive amount of people gather in a small area. loss or win, there would have been a riot i think.
well, by riot i mean, burning cars and looting.
If we won, it would've been minor damage because for the most part, the several dozen thugs would've stirred up trouble regardless, but the 100k+ happy fans in dt vancouver would be too busy celebrating to cause major damage. However there are a lot of people who are just looking for an excuse after losing and those people are the ones causing trouble.
I watched all of the game, including the cup presentation numbly on my couch at home, but I still respect the fact that Boston beat us. The fans who stayed behind in Rogers arena who stayed behind to cheer for the opposing team even as they lifted the cup are the true fans.
true, it was very classy that almost all of the canucks fan stayed to cheer for boston.
That's actually very true. Compared to the crowd in Boston
Where they just taunted Raymond after he was smashed into the boards as awkwardly as he was. The people who stayed behind and cheered for Boston are representative of the majority of Vancouver, not the people still on the streets fighting police.
The funniest part was when i heard the looted the liquor store, it reminded me of that south park episode with the civil war reinactment where randy and crew just kept drinking and going and ramsacking towns LOL
On June 16 2011 17:37 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Hah I wish the Riots went on longer! Sure destruction and bodily harm sucks... BUT, he bigger the riot shows how much drunker/prouder the people causing it are... and as a Canadian I think we can compete with anyone for being proud and drunk! Besides Vancouver was too bloody expensive to lvie in before... maybe now they will lower the living costs xD
In all seriousness... I love you Vancouver! Though some may think this isn't a good way to show your support.. it sure as hell gets the point across! And really What better way to show support for Swedish twins and a one eyed god(Malhotra for those that didn't get reference) Then burning looting and pillaging! Epic!
Don't worry Canucks you'll slay the frost giant (Lol Chara) next year!
I'm curious as what the point you were trying to get across is? Because as a spectator it just appears incredibly senseless and the timing was exploited by a bunch of people that wanted to cause nothing but selfless destruction.
On June 16 2011 17:37 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Hah I wish the Riots went on longer! Sure destruction and bodily harm sucks... BUT, he bigger the riot shows how much drunker/prouder the people causing it are... and as a Canadian I think we can compete with anyone for being proud and drunk! Besides Vancouver was too bloody expensive to lvie in before... maybe now they will lower the living costs xD
In all seriousness... I love you Vancouver! Though some may think this isn't a good way to show your support.. it sure as hell gets the point across! And really What better way to show support for Swedish twins and a one eyed god(Malhotra for those that didn't get reference) Then burning looting and pillaging! Epic!
Don't worry Canucks you'll slay the frost giant (Lol Chara) next year!
go away please.
take it easy, hes still drunk.
"ah I wish the Riots went on longer! Sure destruction and bodily harm sucks... BUT, he bigger the riot shows how much drunker/prouder the people causing it are"
Yeah, causing permanent destruction of property and perhaps injuring or killing people is definitely worth it to show people how drunk and proud you are!
Being drunk is not something to be proud of. Its an enjoyable past time, not some way to show how much of a man you are. You know what men don't do? injure others for fun.
I disagree...notice how I separated the being drunk and being proud part? I never said be proud of being drunk... but nice strawman. Life lose and bodily harm is bad yes I'm sure we can all agree on that... but people die all the time, to get offended or be concerned by it is just silly considering how often it happens. And Oh dear god no! people lost money! For shame Vancouver for shame! Honestly... Though I clearly enjoy the idea of the riot, I see why people are against it... but to be "Ashamed" of it I will never agree with.. We are Animals and every now and then we need to act like it! Besides 99% of all damage done is covered by insurance every shop owner is prolly making money(Short term, yes insurances rates may go up..). i'm sure I will be called im mature or be labeled as a "Retarded rebellious teen". But what ever I'm no teen and I'm not rebelling against anything, just enjoying the moment is all
I would like it if the mod team could put a warning across this thread that posting in blatant support of violence, idiocy, rioting, and criminal assault is ban-worthy.
perma-ban, worthy, if we're lucky. i don't even see why people endorsing such behaviour are even allowed to live on this planet using up oxygen.
On June 16 2011 17:37 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Hah I wish the Riots went on longer! Sure destruction and bodily harm sucks... BUT, he bigger the riot shows how much drunker/prouder the people causing it are... and as a Canadian I think we can compete with anyone for being proud and drunk! Besides Vancouver was too bloody expensive to lvie in before... maybe now they will lower the living costs xD
In all seriousness... I love you Vancouver! Though some may think this isn't a good way to show your support.. it sure as hell gets the point across! And really What better way to show support for Swedish twins and a one eyed god(Malhotra for those that didn't get reference) Then burning looting and pillaging! Epic!
Don't worry Canucks you'll slay the frost giant (Lol Chara) next year!
go away please.
take it easy, hes still drunk.
"ah I wish the Riots went on longer! Sure destruction and bodily harm sucks... BUT, he bigger the riot shows how much drunker/prouder the people causing it are"
Yeah, causing permanent destruction of property and perhaps injuring or killing people is definitely worth it to show people how drunk and proud you are!
Being drunk is not something to be proud of. Its an enjoyable past time, not some way to show how much of a man you are. You know what men don't do? injure others for fun.
I disagree...notice how I separated the being drunk and being proud part? I never said be proud of being drunk... but nice strawman. Life lose and bodily harm is bad yes I'm sure we can all agree on that... but people die all the time, to get offended or be concerned by it is just silly considering how often it happens. And Oh dear god no! people lost money! For shame Vancouver for shame! Honestly... Though I clearly enjoy the idea of the riot, I see why people are against it... but to be "Ashamed" of it I will never agree with.. We are Animals and every now and then we need to act like it! Besides 99% of all damage done is covered by insurance every shop owner is prolly making money(Short term, yes insurances rates may go up..). i'm sure I will be called im mature or be labeled as a "Retarded rebellious teen". But what ever I'm no teen and I'm not rebelling against anything, just enjoying the moment is all
I find it hilarious, but the after math and the damage is ridiculous, although i would never participate in anything like that myself, watching the news coverage after i got home was astonishing, people were going absolutely bonkers.
So many mobs of 2-5,000 people pushing back riot police everywhere, i remember seeing 2 riot police start beating down on this guy, then a couple hundred people started charging the police, i was laughing pretty hard as the police started running the other direction really fast LOL
On June 16 2011 17:37 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Hah I wish the Riots went on longer! Sure destruction and bodily harm sucks... BUT, he bigger the riot shows how much drunker/prouder the people causing it are... and as a Canadian I think we can compete with anyone for being proud and drunk! Besides Vancouver was too bloody expensive to lvie in before... maybe now they will lower the living costs xD
In all seriousness... I love you Vancouver! Though some may think this isn't a good way to show your support.. it sure as hell gets the point across! And really What better way to show support for Swedish twins and a one eyed god(Malhotra for those that didn't get reference) Then burning looting and pillaging! Epic!
Don't worry Canucks you'll slay the frost giant (Lol Chara) next year!
I'm curious as what the point you were trying to get across is? Because as a spectator it just appears incredibly senseless and the timing was exploited by a bunch of people that wanted to cause nothing but selfless destruction.
their is no point to it all... and you'd be wasting your time to try and find one. Merely the ramblings of a drunk man mixed in with crappy Norse Mythology references... I'm sure I'll regret posting tomorrow, but for now I will stay proud!
On June 16 2011 17:37 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Hah I wish the Riots went on longer! Sure destruction and bodily harm sucks... BUT, he bigger the riot shows how much drunker/prouder the people causing it are... and as a Canadian I think we can compete with anyone for being proud and drunk! Besides Vancouver was too bloody expensive to lvie in before... maybe now they will lower the living costs xD
In all seriousness... I love you Vancouver! Though some may think this isn't a good way to show your support.. it sure as hell gets the point across! And really What better way to show support for Swedish twins and a one eyed god(Malhotra for those that didn't get reference) Then burning looting and pillaging! Epic!
Don't worry Canucks you'll slay the frost giant (Lol Chara) next year!
I'm curious as what the point you were trying to get across is? Because as a spectator it just appears incredibly senseless and the timing was exploited by a bunch of people that wanted to cause nothing but selfless destruction.
their is no point to it all... and you'd be wasting your time to try and find one. Merely the ramblings of a drunk man mixed in with crappy Norse Mythology references... I'm sure I'll regret posting tomorrow, but for now I will stay proud!
this always happend to me when i log on forums whil drunk... rofl xD
On June 16 2011 17:57 Dhalphir wrote: I would like it if the mod team could put a warning across this thread that posting in blatant support of violence, idiocy, rioting, and criminal assault is ban-worthy.
perma-ban, worthy, if we're lucky. i don't even see why people endorsing such behaviour are even allowed to live on this planet using up oxygen.
hopefully it is possible.
Honestly its definitely a terrible thing but regardless the amount of people watching the coverage at home and being entertained by it (not in a funny haha way but there were a few moments like that)
I saw this drunk idiot kid try and jump over a car that was blazing on fire, the flames were probably going up over 10 feet above the car, and the car had a mailbox on top of it (it was a 5 series BMW ><) the kid tripped on the mailbox while trying to jump landed in the flames for a few seconds got up and jumped off the car while still on fire. He seemed fine, but he also seemed like a drunk idiot
On June 16 2011 17:57 Dhalphir wrote: I would like it if the mod team could put a warning across this thread that posting in blatant support of violence, idiocy, rioting, and criminal assault is ban-worthy.
perma-ban, worthy, if we're lucky. i don't even see why people endorsing such behaviour are even allowed to live on this planet using up oxygen.
hopefully it is possible.
Derp people don't believe in my values and the way I think the world should work! Therefore they should die and not use up my oxygen...
Really dude... GTFO your high horse and come to terms with the fact that as a human your are an animal with basic instincts, most of which geared towards violence or running from violence... clearly your are the latter.
To disagree is one thing.. but to actually think that a large chunk of people should die because they don't abide by your set of values? Really who's worse in this situation? You or the riot advocators?
So.. their hockey team loses. Therefore they riot and burn their own city. How are you a canucks fan if you smash the city they represent. I'm confused
On June 16 2011 17:37 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Hah I wish the Riots went on longer! Sure destruction and bodily harm sucks... BUT, he bigger the riot shows how much drunker/prouder the people causing it are... and as a Canadian I think we can compete with anyone for being proud and drunk! Besides Vancouver was too bloody expensive to lvie in before... maybe now they will lower the living costs xD
In all seriousness... I love you Vancouver! Though some may think this isn't a good way to show your support.. it sure as hell gets the point across! And really What better way to show support for Swedish twins and a one eyed god(Malhotra for those that didn't get reference) Then burning looting and pillaging! Epic!
Don't worry Canucks you'll slay the frost giant (Lol Chara) next year!
go away please.
take it easy, hes still drunk.
"ah I wish the Riots went on longer! Sure destruction and bodily harm sucks... BUT, he bigger the riot shows how much drunker/prouder the people causing it are"
Yeah, causing permanent destruction of property and perhaps injuring or killing people is definitely worth it to show people how drunk and proud you are!
Being drunk is not something to be proud of. Its an enjoyable past time, not some way to show how much of a man you are. You know what men don't do? injure others for fun.
I disagree...notice how I separated the being drunk and being proud part? I never said be proud of being drunk... but nice strawman. Life lose and bodily harm is bad yes I'm sure we can all agree on that... but people die all the time, to get offended or be concerned by it is just silly considering how often it happens. And Oh dear god no! people lost money! For shame Vancouver for shame! Honestly... Though I clearly enjoy the idea of the riot, I see why people are against it... but to be "Ashamed" of it I will never agree with.. We are Animals and every now and then we need to act like it! Besides 99% of all damage done is covered by insurance every shop owner is prolly making money(Short term, yes insurances rates may go up..). i'm sure I will be called im mature or be labeled as a "Retarded rebellious teen". But what ever I'm no teen and I'm not rebelling against anything, just enjoying the moment is all
I like the part where you say human =animal. Seeing your morals of live and dishate of unnecersary pain and sufferingg I would imagine you have no wife or children or anyone you deeply care about because then I would assume you knew the fear of something horrible happening to someone else than yourself. Also theres a possibility your just doing some stupid trolling.
On June 16 2011 14:10 EcstatiC wrote: psht thats nothing. thats literally the only car theyve torched. personally i was expecting much worse, but the vancouver PD has been preparing for this moment since the last time they lost in the finals 20 years ago, and things are going much, much better than they were last time.
and you're embarassed? fuck that, watching a riot caused purely by the loss of a hockey games gets me going all patriotic. nowhere else in the world is the greatest sport ever appreciated so much.
We'll see in the morning if they ACTUALLY riot, cuz right now I would call this a bit of a rollover on the part of the fans.
Edit: it appears they have begun to actually riot, so:
This is how it works: Every Canadian dreams of raising the stanley cup from the moment he can think for himself. When 99% of them realize that they aren't good enough to play any more, it becomes their dream to watch their team raise the cup, and for Vancouver, a team that has been around for 40 years without ever having won it, and now they not only had a chance, but they were expected to win. Most of these fans rioting have been cheering and carrying the colours for 15-20 years now, through all the trials and trebulation, and now it seemed to them that they would finally achieve it, until tonight. If you had been dreaming of something for 20 years, and then had it promised to you, only to have it ripped from your fingers at the last possible second, would you riot? I fucking would.
And @ people in this thread, man up. Seriously. This is Canada, and we go through hockey riots every year at this time, whether its montreal, vancouver, edmonton, or montreal (did i mention montreal?). Why is anybody even surprised about this? I thought we had come to expect this, and we've definitely learned how to handle it. Just stop being a bunch of pussies.
Edit 2: Okay the riots basically over. i give it a 4/10
On June 16 2011 17:37 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Hah I wish the Riots went on longer! Sure destruction and bodily harm sucks... BUT, he bigger the riot shows how much drunker/prouder the people causing it are... and as a Canadian I think we can compete with anyone for being proud and drunk! Besides Vancouver was too bloody expensive to lvie in before... maybe now they will lower the living costs xD
In all seriousness... I love you Vancouver! Though some may think this isn't a good way to show your support.. it sure as hell gets the point across! And really What better way to show support for Swedish twins and a one eyed god(Malhotra for those that didn't get reference) Then burning looting and pillaging! Epic!
Don't worry Canucks you'll slay the frost giant (Lol Chara) next year!
Spoken like a couple of teenage/early 20s idiots who have a lifetime of menial jobs and never owning property ahead of them.
On June 16 2011 15:49 Talack wrote: Psh this is nothing. Last a few hours and cause a few million in damages which insurance companies will pay for.
"Ashamed to be canadian" lol. I'm proud of those people right now, they should be mad. It's incredibly important to canadians.
Anyone surprised that the ones who started the fires and started jumping over burning cars happened to be of Aryan descent?
Do you mean 'white'? Because I don't think that there were conspicuously more blond-haired, blue-eyed rioters than brown-haired, brown-eyed rioters. And there definitely was a substantial contingent of Affliction-garbed Indo-Canadian rioters coming in from Surrey.
On June 16 2011 14:16 Cush wrote: My question is, why are they rioting? Was there some super bs call made by the refs? Or are they just crazy?
cause we lost
This is like a bunch of koreans rioting after a korean losing to a foreigner in WCG BW finals. Thing is, it happens a lot more frequent in Canada. And yeah, Boston is my 2nd favorite team since I knew Aston Carter. My favorite is of course Anaheim since I knew Kariya.
EDIT:
I WANT STANLEY CUP!!! AND I WILL GET STANLEY CUP!!!
On June 16 2011 18:08 MeteorRise wrote: So.. their hockey team loses. Therefore they riot and burn their own city. How are you a canucks fan if you smash the city they represent. I'm confused
Its not even really the fans, i highly doubt a single person in the actual arena went on to loot and riot maybe like 1 or 2 people but even then i highly doubt it most of those people payed over 5,000 for their tickets and wouldnt be caught dead being apart of it.
It was mostly youths and young adults who probably dont even watch the game during the regular season that wanted to go downtown and get rowdy. And they think that rioting is what your team is supposed to do when you lose because theyve seen other cities do it on TV etc.
Although their were alot of rioters, alot of the crowds that you see in the pictures are just people following them around with cameras and whatnot wondering what they are going to do next, everyone ended up being stuck down town after the riots started there was pretty much no way to get out of vancouver and mayhem insued.
On June 16 2011 17:37 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Hah I wish the Riots went on longer! Sure destruction and bodily harm sucks... BUT, he bigger the riot shows how much drunker/prouder the people causing it are... and as a Canadian I think we can compete with anyone for being proud and drunk! Besides Vancouver was too bloody expensive to lvie in before... maybe now they will lower the living costs xD
In all seriousness... I love you Vancouver! Though some may think this isn't a good way to show your support.. it sure as hell gets the point across! And really What better way to show support for Swedish twins and a one eyed god(Malhotra for those that didn't get reference) Then burning looting and pillaging! Epic!
Don't worry Canucks you'll slay the frost giant (Lol Chara) next year!
go away please.
take it easy, hes still drunk.
"ah I wish the Riots went on longer! Sure destruction and bodily harm sucks... BUT, he bigger the riot shows how much drunker/prouder the people causing it are"
Yeah, causing permanent destruction of property and perhaps injuring or killing people is definitely worth it to show people how drunk and proud you are!
Being drunk is not something to be proud of. Its an enjoyable past time, not some way to show how much of a man you are. You know what men don't do? injure others for fun.
I disagree...notice how I separated the being drunk and being proud part? I never said be proud of being drunk... but nice strawman. Life lose and bodily harm is bad yes I'm sure we can all agree on that... but people die all the time, to get offended or be concerned by it is just silly considering how often it happens. And Oh dear god no! people lost money! For shame Vancouver for shame! Honestly... Though I clearly enjoy the idea of the riot, I see why people are against it... but to be "Ashamed" of it I will never agree with.. We are Animals and every now and then we need to act like it! Besides 99% of all damage done is covered by insurance every shop owner is prolly making money(Short term, yes insurances rates may go up..). i'm sure I will be called im mature or be labeled as a "Retarded rebellious teen". But what ever I'm no teen and I'm not rebelling against anything, just enjoying the moment is all
I like the part where you say human =animal. Seeing your morals of live and dishate of unnecersary pain and sufferingg I would imagine you have no wife or children or anyone you deeply care about because then I would assume you knew the fear of something horrible happening to someone else than yourself. Also theres a possibility your just doing some stupid trolling.
Well... you know what they say about assuming right? You are very wrong on almost all of your assumptions... You've essentially ignored everything I've said and just said "You don't love any one and no one loves you" and to that(At the risk of being perm banned) I say Fuck you, you fucking Cunt, You know nothing of my life and my family so don't make blind assumptions! My words may sound harsher but in honesty yours are truly more offensive, and I hope the mods take that to heart when then ban me and make it only a temp ban not a perm, as I do love this community... for the most part...
On June 16 2011 17:57 Dhalphir wrote: I would like it if the mod team could put a warning across this thread that posting in blatant support of violence, idiocy, rioting, and criminal assault is ban-worthy.
perma-ban, worthy, if we're lucky. i don't even see why people endorsing such behaviour are even allowed to live on this planet using up oxygen.
hopefully it is possible.
Derp people don't believe in my values and the way I think the world should work! Therefore they should die and not use up my oxygen...
Really dude... GTFO your high horse and come to terms with the fact that as a human your are an animal with basic instincts, most of which geared towards violence or running from violence... clearly your are the latter.
To disagree is one thing.. but to actually think that a large chunk of people should die because they don't abide by your set of values? Really who's worse in this situation? You or the riot advocators?
Clearly the drunk you talking. You have over 300 post you should know that in internet when someone tells you to die they dont really mean. I honestly dont understand why people like you arent alredy killed
On June 16 2011 14:10 EcstatiC wrote: psht thats nothing. thats literally the only car theyve torched. personally i was expecting much worse, but the vancouver PD has been preparing for this moment since the last time they lost in the finals 20 years ago, and things are going much, much better than they were last time.
and you're embarassed? fuck that, watching a riot caused purely by the loss of a hockey games gets me going all patriotic. nowhere else in the world is the greatest sport ever appreciated so much.
We'll see in the morning if they ACTUALLY riot, cuz right now I would call this a bit of a rollover on the part of the fans.
Edit: it appears they have begun to actually riot, so:
This is how it works: Every Canadian dreams of raising the stanley cup from the moment he can think for himself. When 99% of them realize that they aren't good enough to play any more, it becomes their dream to watch their team raise the cup, and for Vancouver, a team that has been around for 40 years without ever having won it, and now they not only had a chance, but they were expected to win. Most of these fans rioting have been cheering and carrying the colours for 15-20 years now, through all the trials and trebulation, and now it seemed to them that they would finally achieve it, until tonight. If you had been dreaming of something for 20 years, and then had it promised to you, only to have it ripped from your fingers at the last possible second, would you riot? I fucking would.
And @ people in this thread, man up. Seriously. This is Canada, and we go through hockey riots every year at this time, whether its montreal, vancouver, edmonton, or montreal (did i mention montreal?). Why is anybody even surprised about this? I thought we had come to expect this, and we've definitely learned how to handle it. Just stop being a bunch of pussies.
Edit 2: Okay the riots basically over. i give it a 4/10
On June 16 2011 17:37 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Hah I wish the Riots went on longer! Sure destruction and bodily harm sucks... BUT, he bigger the riot shows how much drunker/prouder the people causing it are... and as a Canadian I think we can compete with anyone for being proud and drunk! Besides Vancouver was too bloody expensive to lvie in before... maybe now they will lower the living costs xD
In all seriousness... I love you Vancouver! Though some may think this isn't a good way to show your support.. it sure as hell gets the point across! And really What better way to show support for Swedish twins and a one eyed god(Malhotra for those that didn't get reference) Then burning looting and pillaging! Epic!
Don't worry Canucks you'll slay the frost giant (Lol Chara) next year!
Spoken like a couple of teenage/early 20s idiots who have a lifetime of menial jobs and never owning property ahead of them.
On June 16 2011 15:49 Talack wrote: Psh this is nothing. Last a few hours and cause a few million in damages which insurance companies will pay for.
"Ashamed to be canadian" lol. I'm proud of those people right now, they should be mad. It's incredibly important to canadians.
Anyone surprised that the ones who started the fires and started jumping over burning cars happened to be of Aryan descent?
Do you mean 'white'? Because I don't think that there were conspicuously more blond-haired, blue-eyed rioters than brown-haired, brown-eyed rioters. And there definitely was a substantial contingent of Affliction-garbed Indo-Canadian rioters coming in from Surrey.
Actually... I'm not a teenager or in early 20's merely a drunk man about to be banned for posting in this thread... I've worked a fair share of bullshit menial jobs... As I said to to the person in my last post Please don't make blind assumptions about people.....
I am so ashamed of those punks that are making such a bad name for our city, this is unacceptable and a complete travesty.I would write a lot more but i have to go pick up my friend from the hospital who got stomped by a bunch of guys who were also wearing canucks jersies for no fucking reason at all. I am completely disgusted and disappointed with these so called "fans"
I feel so god damn embarrassed. Sure, it's disappointing that we lost. But a riot? Burning cars? Robbing the Bay, London Drugs, Future Shop and god dam Bank of Montreal?
God damn, I am embarrassed to say I'm from Vancouver.
Edit: Apparently, someone got thrown off a bridge and 9 people were stabbed too.
On June 16 2011 17:37 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Hah I wish the Riots went on longer! Sure destruction and bodily harm sucks... BUT, he bigger the riot shows how much drunker/prouder the people causing it are... and as a Canadian I think we can compete with anyone for being proud and drunk! Besides Vancouver was too bloody expensive to lvie in before... maybe now they will lower the living costs xD
In all seriousness... I love you Vancouver! Though some may think this isn't a good way to show your support.. it sure as hell gets the point across! And really What better way to show support for Swedish twins and a one eyed god(Malhotra for those that didn't get reference) Then burning looting and pillaging! Epic!
Don't worry Canucks you'll slay the frost giant (Lol Chara) next year!
go away please.
take it easy, hes still drunk.
"ah I wish the Riots went on longer! Sure destruction and bodily harm sucks... BUT, he bigger the riot shows how much drunker/prouder the people causing it are"
Yeah, causing permanent destruction of property and perhaps injuring or killing people is definitely worth it to show people how drunk and proud you are!
Being drunk is not something to be proud of. Its an enjoyable past time, not some way to show how much of a man you are. You know what men don't do? injure others for fun.
I disagree...notice how I separated the being drunk and being proud part? I never said be proud of being drunk... but nice strawman. Life lose and bodily harm is bad yes I'm sure we can all agree on that... but people die all the time, to get offended or be concerned by it is just silly considering how often it happens. And Oh dear god no! people lost money! For shame Vancouver for shame! Honestly... Though I clearly enjoy the idea of the riot, I see why people are against it... but to be "Ashamed" of it I will never agree with.. We are Animals and every now and then we need to act like it! Besides 99% of all damage done is covered by insurance every shop owner is prolly making money(Short term, yes insurances rates may go up..). i'm sure I will be called im mature or be labeled as a "Retarded rebellious teen". But what ever I'm no teen and I'm not rebelling against anything, just enjoying the moment is all
I like the part where you say human =animal. Seeing your morals of live and dishate of unnecersary pain and sufferingg I would imagine you have no wife or children or anyone you deeply care about because then I would assume you knew the fear of something horrible happening to someone else than yourself. Also theres a possibility your just doing some stupid trolling.
Well... you know what they say about assuming right? You are very wrong on almost all of your assumptions... You've essentially ignored everything I've said and just said "You don't love any one and no one loves you" and to that(At the risk of being perm banned) I say Fuck you, you fucking Cunt, You know nothing of my life and my family so don't make blind assumptions! My words may sound harsher but in honesty yours are truly more offensive, and I hope the mods take that to heart when then ban me and make it only a temp ban not a perm, as I do love this community... for the most part...
Hey, you cant ramble on for people not accepting your unpopular morals, and then not respecting mine that are that i can freely assume things and then post them. Also plz edi your post or well all get banned for derailing the topic. Im just a guy with less than tenn post. Not worth it to get banned cos of me.
Dont say u are embarrased to be from Vancouver, it was a reasonably small group of people that started all the trouble. This is a beautiful city and i wont ever be embarrased to say that i was born and raised here
On June 16 2011 18:29 XenoKai wrote: Dont say u are embarrased to be from Vancouver, it was a reasonably small group of people that started all the trouble. This is a beautiful city and i wont ever be embarrased to say that i was born and raised here
Reasonably small? Surely you weren't watching the live news. Because I saw a lot more people than a small group.
On June 16 2011 18:22 XenoKai wrote: I am so ashamed of those punks that are making such a bad name for our city, this is unacceptable and a complete travesty.I would write a lot more but i have to go pick up my friend from the hospital who got stomped by a bunch of guys who were also wearing canucks jersies for no fucking reason at all. I am completely disgusted and disappointed with these so called "fans"
I'm sorry man.
Fucking hell, it's just so damn ridiculous what people do I don't even want to think about it anymore, it's a depressing topic.
everybody says its bad for the reputation of the city and bla bla. personnally, if i was suppose to move to vancouver like in a month and i see the riot i would have been like "hey, thats a pretty dynamics city, they love their sports so much, cant wait to be there" or something like this... that might only be my 22 years old maturity but, its seriously what im thinking.
On June 16 2011 18:29 XenoKai wrote: Dont say u are embarrased to be from Vancouver, it was a reasonably small group of people that started all the trouble. This is a beautiful city and i wont ever be embarrased to say that i was born and raised here
Reasonably small? Surely you weren't watching the live news. Because I saw a lot more people than a small group.
By reasonably small i mean in relation to the size of the overall population of the city i.e. lets say there were 3000 rioters(probably a lot less) out of a population of 2.1million so......ya thats reasonably small i would say. AND dont forget that LOTS of these people took the skytrain in from surrey, langely, delta and new west
On June 16 2011 18:22 XenoKai wrote: I am so ashamed of those punks that are making such a bad name for our city, this is unacceptable and a complete travesty.I would write a lot more but i have to go pick up my friend from the hospital who got stomped by a bunch of guys who were also wearing canucks jersies for no fucking reason at all. I am completely disgusted and disappointed with these so called "fans"
wtf that is bs. i hope your friend gets better.
On June 16 2011 18:37 rza wrote: everybody says its bad for the reputation of the city and bla bla. personnally, if i was suppose to move to vancouver like in a month and i see the riot i would have been like "hey, thats a pretty dynamics city, they love their sports so much, cant wait to be there" or something like this... that might only be my 22 years old maturity but, its seriously what im thinking.
sorry for bad english.
^lol wtf I am sorry but you need to get out more if you actually believe that rioting is a positive city dynamic. i get the feeling you are living in a boring city.
do you live out in the middle of nowhere? if you seek true city dynamics, try Seoul, Korea.
On June 16 2011 18:37 rza wrote: everybody says its bad for the reputation of the city and bla bla. personnally, if i was suppose to move to vancouver like in a month and i see the riot i would have been like "hey, thats a pretty dynamics city, they love their sports so much, cant wait to be there" or something like this... that might only be my 22 years old maturity but, its seriously what im thinking.
sorry for bad english.
Yeah, if that's what you think, we don't want you here.
On June 16 2011 18:22 XenoKai wrote: I am so ashamed of those punks that are making such a bad name for our city, this is unacceptable and a complete travesty.I would write a lot more but i have to go pick up my friend from the hospital who got stomped by a bunch of guys who were also wearing canucks jersies for no fucking reason at all. I am completely disgusted and disappointed with these so called "fans"
On June 16 2011 18:37 rza wrote: everybody says its bad for the reputation of the city and bla bla. personnally, if i was suppose to move to vancouver like in a month and i see the riot i would have been like "hey, thats a pretty dynamics city, they love their sports so much, cant wait to be there" or something like this... that might only be my 22 years old maturity but, its seriously what im thinking.
sorry for bad english.
^lol wtf I am sorry but you need to get out more if you actually believe that rioting is a positive city dynamic. i get the feeling you are living in a boring city.
do you live out in the middle of nowhere? if you seek true city dynamics, try Seoul, Korea.
well dynamics is not the exact word im wanted to say but im havin hard time expressing my self correctly in english. by the way, im living in montreal.
On June 16 2011 18:48 JeanLuc wrote: Anarchy is the spice of life. I'm glad that these people threw their temper tantrum, it gives me something to smile about on this hot June morning.
On June 16 2011 18:37 rza wrote: everybody says its bad for the reputation of the city and bla bla. personnally, if i was suppose to move to vancouver like in a month and i see the riot i would have been like "hey, thats a pretty dynamics city, they love their sports so much, cant wait to be there" or something like this... that might only be my 22 years old maturity but, its seriously what im thinking.
sorry for bad english.
Yeah, if that's what you think, we don't want you here.
"What kind of city do you want to live in?"
"One where crazy sports fans beat on each other and try to burn the city down."
Why do you guys find it acceptable? What about all the people that got hurt? The people that got robbed?
It gives you something to smile about? The fact that millions of dollars of damage and countless people getting hurt is something to smile about? You are a sick person.
On June 16 2011 18:26 Storm[PT] wrote: I feel so god damn embarrassed. Sure, it's disappointing that we lost. But a riot? Burning cars? Robbing the Bay, London Drugs, Future Shop and god dam Bank of Montreal?
God damn, I am embarrassed to say I'm from Vancouver.
Edit: Apparently, someone got thrown off a bridge and 9 people were stabbed too.
Just gonna correct this post,
The guy was drunk and thought he could jump from one part of the bridge to the next and he fell. He didn't die though.
On June 16 2011 18:37 rza wrote: everybody says its bad for the reputation of the city and bla bla. personnally, if i was suppose to move to vancouver like in a month and i see the riot i would have been like "hey, thats a pretty dynamics city, they love their sports so much, cant wait to be there" or something like this... that might only be my 22 years old maturity but, its seriously what im thinking.
sorry for bad english.
Yeah, if that's what you think, we don't want you here.
"What kind of city do you want to live in?"
"One where crazy sports fans beat on each other and try to burn the city down."
thats not what im sayin even if it looked like this. the point is that its not THAT bad for the rep of the city.. like 1 people out of 3 keep sayin its sooo bad for the reputation of vancouver.
On June 16 2011 18:52 Storm[PT] wrote: Why do you guys find it acceptable? What about all the people that got hurt? The people that got robbed?
It gives you something to smile about? The fact that millions of dollars of damage and countless people getting hurt is something to smile about? You are a sick person.
well, i am against any sort of violence against an individu. but i dont really give a dam about the "million of dollars of damage"
On June 16 2011 18:58 svettis wrote: so i watched the game, why did the vancouver fans have so many canadian flags up? its a little weird..
because the cup hasnt been in Canada for a long time and alot of canadian from anywhere in canada are supporting the cannucks to get the cup back in canada.
also i think alot of them are recycling their canadian flag they bought during the vancouver olympics of 2010.
On June 16 2011 18:52 Storm[PT] wrote: Why do you guys find it acceptable? What about all the people that got hurt? The people that got robbed?
It gives you something to smile about? The fact that millions of dollars of damage and countless people getting hurt is something to smile about? You are a sick person.
well, i am against any sort of violence against an individu. but i dont really give a dam about the "million of dollars of damage"
oh c'mon... who do you think has to pay for the "millions of dollars in damage" and law enforcement
On June 16 2011 18:52 Storm[PT] wrote: Why do you guys find it acceptable? What about all the people that got hurt? The people that got robbed?
It gives you something to smile about? The fact that millions of dollars of damage and countless people getting hurt is something to smile about? You are a sick person.
well, i am against any sort of violence against an individu. but i dont really give a dam about the "million of dollars of damage"
You don't care about the millions of dollars of damage that are coming out of tax payers' pockets to clean up the damage? We are talking about people that probably got off work and just wanted to go back home and watch TV and got stuck in downtown because of the riot. Not only did we not do anything we are paying for the damage too. You'd like that to happen to you?
On June 16 2011 18:52 Storm[PT] wrote: Why do you guys find it acceptable? What about all the people that got hurt? The people that got robbed?
It gives you something to smile about? The fact that millions of dollars of damage and countless people getting hurt is something to smile about? You are a sick person.
well, i am against any sort of violence against an individu. but i dont really give a dam about the "million of dollars of damage"
oh c'mon... who do you think has to pay for the "millions of dollars in damage" and law enforcement
If this would have happened in Boston I bet that most of the reactions would be shame on America rather than these groups of idiots don't represent us.
On June 16 2011 18:52 Storm[PT] wrote: Why do you guys find it acceptable? What about all the people that got hurt? The people that got robbed?
It gives you something to smile about? The fact that millions of dollars of damage and countless people getting hurt is something to smile about? You are a sick person.
well, i am against any sort of violence against an individu. but i dont really give a dam about the "million of dollars of damage"
You don't care about the millions of dollars of damage that are coming out of tax payers' pockets to clean up the damage? We are talking about people that probably got off work and just wanted to go back home and watch TV and got stuck in downtown because of the riot. Not only did we not do anything we are paying for the damage too. You'd like that to happen to you?
by paying for the damage u mean tax and shits? its just another couple million on the national debt, nothing to worry about. the canada's economy will collapse before we'll pay for this.
I really don't understand. Lose a game, destroy your city? At least rioting in the other city somewhat makes sense.
On June 16 2011 18:22 XenoKai wrote: I am so ashamed of those punks that are making such a bad name for our city, this is unacceptable and a complete travesty.I would write a lot more but i have to go pick up my friend from the hospital who got stomped by a bunch of guys who were also wearing canucks jersies for no fucking reason at all. I am completely disgusted and disappointed with these so called "fans"
What did he do? Did he just happen to be close by?
just want to point out no one has actually been confirmed dead yet... otherwise it would be in the news
disgraceful shit, but there is no rule that says anarchists can't be fans of something, it's better then rioting when you win i suppose, although it's still terrible
I'm a born and raised Bostonian. No need to be so jeaous
EDIT: These seem like some pretty half-assed riots. Not terrible, but not too bad. Last Red Sox riot we had, I'm pretty sure a few people died with Rubber Bullets through the Eyes. And turning over cars is much more common than fires.
EDIT 2: If all of what i'm reading hear is true, i'll take my words back. This is a pretty respectable riot. It needed some more overturned cars, though.
On June 16 2011 14:10 EcstatiC wrote: psht thats nothing. thats literally the only car theyve torched. personally i was expecting much worse, but the vancouver PD has been preparing for this moment since the last time they lost in the finals 20 years ago, and things are going much, much better than they were last time.
and you're embarassed? fuck that, watching a riot caused purely by the loss of a hockey games gets me going all patriotic. nowhere else in the world is the greatest sport ever appreciated so much.
We'll see in the morning if they ACTUALLY riot, cuz right now I would call this a bit of a rollover on the part of the fans.
Edit: it appears they have begun to actually riot, so:
This is how it works: Every Canadian dreams of raising the stanley cup from the moment he can think for himself. When 99% of them realize that they aren't good enough to play any more, it becomes their dream to watch their team raise the cup, and for Vancouver, a team that has been around for 40 years without ever having won it, and now they not only had a chance, but they were expected to win. Most of these fans rioting have been cheering and carrying the colours for 15-20 years now, through all the trials and trebulation, and now it seemed to them that they would finally achieve it, until tonight. If you had been dreaming of something for 20 years, and then had it promised to you, only to have it ripped from your fingers at the last possible second, would you riot? I fucking would.
And @ people in this thread, man up. Seriously. This is Canada, and we go through hockey riots every year at this time, whether its montreal, vancouver, edmonton, or montreal (did i mention montreal?). Why is anybody even surprised about this? I thought we had come to expect this, and we've definitely learned how to handle it. Just stop being a bunch of pussies.
Edit 2: Okay the riots basically over. i give it a 4/10
On June 16 2011 17:37 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Hah I wish the Riots went on longer! Sure destruction and bodily harm sucks... BUT, he bigger the riot shows how much drunker/prouder the people causing it are... and as a Canadian I think we can compete with anyone for being proud and drunk! Besides Vancouver was too bloody expensive to lvie in before... maybe now they will lower the living costs xD
In all seriousness... I love you Vancouver! Though some may think this isn't a good way to show your support.. it sure as hell gets the point across! And really What better way to show support for Swedish twins and a one eyed god(Malhotra for those that didn't get reference) Then burning looting and pillaging! Epic!
Don't worry Canucks you'll slay the frost giant (Lol Chara) next year!
Spoken like a couple of teenage/early 20s idiots who have a lifetime of menial jobs and never owning property ahead of them.
On June 16 2011 15:49 Talack wrote: Psh this is nothing. Last a few hours and cause a few million in damages which insurance companies will pay for.
"Ashamed to be canadian" lol. I'm proud of those people right now, they should be mad. It's incredibly important to canadians.
Anyone surprised that the ones who started the fires and started jumping over burning cars happened to be of Aryan descent?
Do you mean 'white'? Because I don't think that there were conspicuously more blond-haired, blue-eyed rioters than brown-haired, brown-eyed rioters. And there definitely was a substantial contingent of Affliction-garbed Indo-Canadian rioters coming in from Surrey.
[QUOTE]On June 16 2011 18:15 Djagulingu wrote: [QUOTE]On June 16 2011 14:16 Kojak21 wrote: [QUOTE]On June 16 2011 14:16 Cush wrote: My question is, why are they rioting? Was there some super bs call made by the refs? Or are they just crazy? [img]http://www.canada.com/news/4953790.bin?size=620x400[/img] I WANT STANLEY CUP!!! AND I WILL GET STANLEY CUP!!![/QUOTE] Yeah, that guy is white and prancing around the fires...
The same thing happened here in Edmonton when the Oilers had their run in 2006. And in Calgary when the Flames made the finals in 2004. In Edmonton a guy got stabbed during the finals. I know a some people that were on Whyte Ave when they rioted then (I actually lived only a few blocks away) - and its not really about being a fan of hockey, its about mob mentality mixed with lots of alcohol and a little adrenaline from the games. It's completely nonsensical.
I feel sorry for these people. How anyone can get so disillusioned that they start causing mayhem over a sporting event. These are the people that would be murderers and rapists if they weren't well adjusted to societies social rules.
On June 16 2011 19:21 Treadmill wrote: The same thing happened here in Edmonton when the Oilers had their run in 2006. And in Calgary when the Flames made the finals in 2004. In Edmonton a guy got stabbed during the finals. I know a some people that were on Whyte Ave when they rioted then (I actually lived only a few blocks away) - and its not really about being a fan of hockey, its about mob mentality mixed with lots of alcohol and a little adrenaline from the games. It's completely nonsensical.
I was at 17th ave for every game of the finals nothing happened... hate to say it but this is pretty much nothing compared to some games ive been back home in eastern europe... like throwing oranges full of razor blades in to the stands of the oppossing team
It's bullshit like this that turns me away from sports. It's pathetic that people feel justified in destroying public property / hurting others just because a team of people that don't really give a fuck about any of their fans got contracted to represent their city in some sports league.
On June 16 2011 19:11 JieXian wrote: I really don't understand. Lose a game, destroy your city? At least rioting in the other city somewhat makes sense.
On June 16 2011 18:22 XenoKai wrote: I am so ashamed of those punks that are making such a bad name for our city, this is unacceptable and a complete travesty.I would write a lot more but i have to go pick up my friend from the hospital who got stomped by a bunch of guys who were also wearing canucks jersies for no fucking reason at all. I am completely disgusted and disappointed with these so called "fans"
What did he do? Did he just happen to be close by?
It turns out he was trying to stop someone from stuffing a burning newspaper into the gas tank of one of those cars and 3 guys just started whailing on him, i just dropped him off at home and he is looking really rough, they broke his nose and he has 2 black eyes. I am furious.
On June 16 2011 19:13 TALegion wrote: I'm a born and raised Bostonian. No need to be so jeaous
EDIT: These seem like some pretty half-assed riots. Not terrible, but not too bad. Last Red Sox riot we had, I'm pretty sure a few people died with Rubber Bullets through the Eyes. And turning over cars is much more common than fires.
EDIT 2: If all of what i'm reading hear is true, i'll take my words back. This is a pretty respectable riot. It needed some more overturned cars, though.
Cop cars burnt, civilian cars flipped over then burnt. I heard they made people get out of their cars so they could flip it and burn it.
On June 16 2011 18:48 JeanLuc wrote: Anarchy is the spice of life. I'm glad that these people threw their temper tantrum, it gives me something to smile about on this hot June morning.
And to you I say:
I'm going to rip your balls off, so you cannot contaminate the rest of the world!
beating people up, looting, torching the town, all over sports. This is pretty much one of the only scenario where I condone the riot police setting up a giant line and just advancing on them while showering the rioters with rubber bullets and cracking every skull that gets near enough, one of the dumbest and most senseless things I have ever seen.
I'm disappointed in the way some of the citizens of our city behaved, and I hope the Boston fans get home safely. This isn't representative to our city and is an unbelievable disgrace. I hope that the rioters' employers sees this and recognizes them in the broadcast.
I'm glad I left the CBC bigscreen after the 2nd because I suspected things would be bad if we were to lose. A lot of the people there seemed like bandwagoners who went to party. When things didn't go our way, they just proceeded to act senselessly and violently because they wanted to cheer for. It's a shameful sight to see.
On June 16 2011 19:27 Probe1 wrote: You should call the police XenoKai.
well first we have to find the right picture and identify them, thankfully this website was setup for exactly that purpose. http://www.canucksriot2011.com/ it has hundreds of photos and videos from the riot
On June 16 2011 20:50 GGitsJack wrote: o_o pretty serious over a sport?
Well I was pretty pissed off when Stork lost to Fantasy 3-0 and conducted some type of arson. I sort of get why they are doing this but come on, this is going overboard.
On June 16 2011 20:50 GGitsJack wrote: o_o pretty serious over a sport?
Pretty sure most people are just looking for an excuse to riot/cause destruction. I'd guess this is sorta similar to what happened at the G20 in Toronto. Most rioters there really have no political stance, they just want to fuck shit up. Similarly, most rioters in vancouver probably arent diehard fans, just random bandwagoners
On June 16 2011 20:50 GGitsJack wrote: o_o pretty serious over a sport?
Well I was pretty pissed off when Stork lost to Fantasy 3-0 and conducted some type of arson. I sort of get why they are doing this but come on, this is going overboard.
i also rioted when this happened
i rioted straight to the supermarket, bought one of those giant tubs of bargain ice cream, and rioted through that shit in about an hour
I was stuck within last nights riot after that dissapointment of a game. Most of the real vancouver fans just walked away after the game with our heads down in shame. The people that started this shit, came to start that riot win or lose and not for the game. And are complete assholes, we got stuck before we really had a chance to get out and got some of the teargas........Needless to say, I love my home of vancouver, but last night was just rediculous. Let alone the ass holes that pushed the boston fan off an overpass.....Get real van, I know we lost....But it's fucking hockey, a game.
With all that said, I can understand however why people would riot (not that it makes it right)Coz during points of the game (especially the third goal) I wanted to break some shit out of frustration alone. But I have self control
Go Canada Go. I felt like burning some cars after they lost. But really either way there was going to be a riotesk type thing. If they won there would be a lot more damage imo ;p Not that i condone or deem this behavior apropriate. I just feel understanding.
Vancouver tried to win the series everywhere but inside the arena.
You can have a rabid bandwagon of fans cheering for you, like Vancouver did, but in the end all that matters is the quality of the team on the ice, and that was 15 less goals than Boston, and 3 games won by a mere goal each.
this represents the canucks' effort in game 7 quite well.
That video is worth its weight in gold.
Also, Vancouver fans have no class. Real fans of the game of hockey can appreciate the efforts of a better team, instead of booing the Stanley Cup winners and burning police cars outside.
On June 16 2011 22:53 Boundless wrote: Also, Vancouver fans have no class. Real fans of the game of hockey can appreciate the efforts of a better team, instead of booing the Stanley Cup winners and burning police cars outside.
I think they were just booing Bettman, because he hates the Canadian market and wants desperately for Black people to watch hockey games. He is probably sick that Atlanta is moving to Winnipeg. Bettman relished giving the cup to Chara though, I could hear it in his voice.
I know 4-5 people that were downtown in the riot last night. One got sprayed and had a fight with a cop apparently. I saw a picture of him on the CTV photo gallery >.>
How is it that someone gets so pissed for someone else's loss? I understand IdrA raging at times when he loses but its not like when ThorZaIN loses, i go out on the town and set a car on fire...
This Vancouver riot seemed much worse than the Montreal one. On the news they were talking about over 10 stabbings. If i recall correctly, there weren't any stabbings in MTL, just people who wanted to use the commotion to steal stuff lol. Unless who ever was comparing them was talking about the 93 one, which i was only 3 yrs old so i cant say much about that but then again there was also a riot in Vancouver in 94 so..
No matter where these types of things happen (Montreal, Vancouver, Canada/USA..) most of the time it isn't even the real fans that start this crap. It's the losers that either bandwagon in the playoffs, or just some crooks that know that there will be a big commotion so they use it to their advantage to break store windows and steal whatever they can. The only good news is that with all the video footage, the police should be able to find a lot of these idiots. They arrested quite a few people in the last small Montreal riot from that.
Oh well, unfortunately i don't really see things like this stopping any time soon. If Montreal or any Canadian team would make it far in the playoffs next year, it would probably happen again.
this represents the canucks' effort in game 7 quite well.
That video is worth its weight in gold.
Also, Vancouver fans have no class. Real fans of the game of hockey can appreciate the efforts of a better team, instead of booing the Stanley Cup winners and burning police cars outside.
Makes me disgusted to be a hockey fan sometimes.
I've gotta guess its mostly bandwagoners doing this bullshit. I feel like real hockey fans would have no desire to pull that crap just because a team lost, leave it in the rink.
Come on Van, who you think you are, Montreal? (They get a bye cuz it's mtl...)
Absolutely fucking disgusting behaviour, we should be ashamed of them.
I'm 100% Canadian but I'm glad BOS won. I can't understand this whole thing about "BRING THE CUP BACK TO CANADA". If a Canadian team's gonna win it, you better believe I want it to be Toronto, I'm not gonna setting for another team :p Friggin wake up, there's probably just as many Canadian players on both teams. Look at Lucic, when he hoisted the cup, the arena was half-heartedly cheering but I feel like they should have tried to blow the fucking roof off, guy who plays most of his life in Vancouver, was raised in Vancouver and wins a Cup in Vancouver, I'm sure he wanted nothing more to win it playing for Van, but come on guys, show him some love.
Tim Thomas' performance as a 37-year old was nothing short of mind-blowingly awesome. He put up some ridiculous stats in this last series and is a such a class act, I was so happy to see him get to lift that cup instead of Lou.
(Don't really know where this post was going, just kinda rambling in my flu-induced fervor)
On June 16 2011 21:55 Vaelone wrote: I really hate people who act like complete morons on the excuse of a sport event, most of these people probably don't give a crap of the actual sport.
Some people like to base how they feel on whats going on around them. These people often times end up suppressing anger and eventually release it. They are doing the best they can with the awareness they have. A big problem is they learned nothing about themselves in school. Instead of taking responsibility for their thoughts, feelings, and actions these people are not thinking. They are reacting to the environment around them. This is the reason why they are making bad decisions.
Greeks - Your government is broke and can't fix itself. Egypt - Prime minister is terrible and people are being sent into forced disappearance WWII style Libya - Your leader is killing civilians Canada - We lost the Stanley cup.
On June 16 2011 22:53 Boundless wrote: Also, Vancouver fans have no class. Real fans of the game of hockey can appreciate the efforts of a better team, instead of booing the Stanley Cup winners and burning police cars outside.
I think they were just booing Bettman, because he hates the Canadian market and wants desperately for Black people to watch hockey games. Bettman relished giving the cup to Chara though, I could hear it in his voice.
Yeah, it's not like he brought back the Winnipeg Jets or anything these past few months.
What Bettman did to the Canadian teams was a sad reality of the business aspect of the game back then. With the stronger Canadian dollar, Canada can now support more franchises and will likely see more as American teams start to fold. People seem to forget that he did save the Oilers in the 90s.
In Montreal, when there's a riot because of hockey, there's this general consensus that you have to go wreck the first Foot Lockers store you see and steal the shoes. It's like a rule... hahhaha. Some people in the thread said that the riots aren't started by the fans but some other idiots starting shit and it's true. The first riot a couple of years ago in Montreal wasn't STARTED by the hockey fans, but by people who got their Wu Tang Clan concert cancelled the same night. They started shit, walked around downtown, then the Habs fan saw people breaking stuff and they joined in.
I am so glad everyone I knew who was down there left well before the end of the game. This was inevitable. I don't see why people had to die in relation to this unfortunate incident. This is definitely going to scar Canada's reputation for a while. There is no way this riot was justified.
Terrible incident very disappointed in Vancouver really. No need to kill or injure people because of a hockey game no matter how emotionally invested you are. When Ottawa lost nothing this terrible happened then again we were swept by losing 4 straight.
On June 16 2011 22:53 Boundless wrote: Also, Vancouver fans have no class. Real fans of the game of hockey can appreciate the efforts of a better team, instead of booing the Stanley Cup winners and burning police cars outside.
I think they were just booing Bettman, because he hates the Canadian market and wants desperately for Black people to watch hockey games. Bettman relished giving the cup to Chara though, I could hear it in his voice.
Yeah, it's not like he brought back the Winnipeg Jets or anything these past few months.
What Bettman did to the Canadian teams was a sad reality of the business aspect of the game back then. With the stronger Canadian dollar, Canada can now support more franchises and will likely see more as American teams start to fold. People seem to forget that he did save the Oilers in the 90s.
he did it because he had no choice, and in the end, it's what the other 29 owners in the league wants and not what bettman wants, and of course the owners don't want to take money out of their bottom line to keep atlanta alive. where else was he planning to move a team to, Siberia? winnipeg was the only place with the available venue and owners with deep enough pockets to take the mess created by the atlanta spirit ownership
meanwhile he vainly tries to keep phoenix alive for another year...
back to the riot, I think this is pretty mild compared to anything you'll see after a big soccer match in europe.. but it's disappointing to have this "LOL CANADA BOORISH NEANDERTHALS" theme keep popping up in international press coverage..
if this ends anything like the G20 in Toronto, there are gonna be some arrests made because of morons who think it's a cool idea to post pics of themselves posing in front of a burning car on facebook.
Man all the biggest/famous/tradicional football teams in europe have more then 100 years and it's not acceptable that the fans riot when they lose..
For instance Liverpool doesn't win the premier league in almost 20 years and they were the team with most wins(now man utd has more) and they don't riot..
Benfica the best team in Portugal is being overshadowed by Porto in the last 30 years and we never rioted even with Porto being accused of various crimes and corruption for the last 30 years since they started winning..
I don't think this is acceptable or understandable.. it's really stupid and sad..
On the other hand football also brings forth too much violence and even ice hockey is nothing compared to football in that department..
I expect more from you canadiens since you guys are one of the most inteligent and peacefull countrys in the world..
this represents the canucks' effort in game 7 quite well.
That video is worth its weight in gold.
Also, Vancouver fans have no class. Real fans of the game of hockey can appreciate the efforts of a better team, instead of booing the Stanley Cup winners and burning police cars outside.
Makes me disgusted to be a hockey fan sometimes.
Nope, all the true Canuck fans were too heartbroken to even look at the celebrations, let alone boo or riot..
On June 16 2011 23:16 Chill wrote: This is pretty embarassing. I'm shocked that Vancouver, of all Canadian cities, did this.
I'm sure Vancouver as a whole is /facepalming over what a small minority of people, most likely drunken idiots, did with the rioting. From the outside looking in, it does make it look like "Vancouver did it" but it really wasn't Vancouver, just a bunch of idiots who happened to be in Vancouver that did it.
Its so awkward because their fans are so shit they got absolutely hammered by the bruins in all the games they lost, take it on the chin and come back next year not kill bruins fans / riot / loot / burn the city to the ground...
If I were the NHL i'd remove the canucks from the league or play all there games behind closed doors for the next 10years, you can't expect to have fucking thugs as fans and get away with it, I feel a little disgraced for the fact was rooting for the canucks...
On June 16 2011 14:10 EcstatiC wrote: This is how it works: Every Canadian dreams of raising the stanley cup from the moment he can think for himself. When 99% of them realize that they aren't good enough to play any more, it becomes their dream to watch their team raise the cup, and for Vancouver, a team that has been around for 40 years without ever having won it, and now they not only had a chance, but they were expected to win.
...
This is Canada, and we go through hockey riots every year at this time, whether its montreal, vancouver, edmonton, or montreal (did i mention montreal?).
So basically you are saying that Canadians start thinking sometime, but then stop when they have grown up eventually? Rioting is the same as losing your self-control and letting your emotions decide your actions.
I am reminded A LOT of Frank Herbert's definition of "human" in his novel DUNE. To be a human you must be able to override your emotions and instincts. If you cant do that you are an animal (even though you belong to the species of homo sapiens and have been taught to read and write).
Drunk driving, rioting, (Starcraft) patriotism, ... lots of currently discussed topics here on TL which are based upon emotions instead of rational decisionmaking. Humanity needs to get rid of this lack of self-control, but our kiddies are taught to express themselves and their emotions much more than to think about the consequenses of their actions. The "definition" from DUNE might be a good start to point people in the right direction when it comes to our societies and finding a new direction.
Why are you guys acting like Vancouver hasn't rioted before after a cup final... cough 94 cough. They rioted after Axl Rose didn't show up... MaybeVancouver loves their rioting and looting. I just don't know why you guys are surprised. Ignorance is bliss
On June 16 2011 23:36 Roe wrote: I never understand these sports riots. Tribalism in the modern age I guess
I'll blame this on media in general. And on the culture that kind of exists as a result of that... which is just ridiculous. Sports? Really?
There are many things in this world to riot about, to be upset about, but Hockey or any sport is not one of them. It actually makes me more upset to think of all the other shit wrong and that people WOULD actually riot but only if their blue colored team wins or loses. That's just sick.
All this crap on TV and Radio and in print just blows up the importance of this crap in people's minds. It's really just a joke. And... if you've got the balls to get drunk and charge police lines and burn shit... do it because of a G8 meeting or a war or the IMF... just goes to show actually WHY our world is so fucked up and where priorities are.
On June 16 2011 23:27 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I just don't get it
Fans that take the game too seriously. Or people that use that game to create a riot. Stupid but still a minority so dont think Canadians are all like that.
It is really sad to see this, but Canadians are very fanatic when it comes to hockey. When Montreal is in the playoffs they riot every series the habs win not lose.
I am glad I don't live in a city with the potential of these riots to raise my taxes and waste tax payer money investigating. With all of this video footage a lot of people should be arrested and/or fined.
I am Idra so I should win every sc2 tourney. (since I am the best at this game) I am Canadian so my Canadian team should win it all.(since we r the best at this game)
On June 16 2011 14:23 Phantom wrote: It's like a few hundred people of the THOUSANDS of people that went out to watch the game that are causing all this trouble. And it was more than a few fires that happened, I counted at least 5 different fires from the news footage I saw on TV. Now there is looting...but to think, Montreal probably has it worse.
Why would Montreal have it worse? Vancouver's quite populated and the game was being played there. Tons of people just gathered in the streets to watch the giant TV's streaming the game.
Montreal got eliminated in quarter finals last year, and fans riotted and caused more troubles than that... Many cars turned over and burnt down, shops looted, molotov cocktails, etc...
I think that's why he means "Montreal probably has it worse", because Montreal fans are so f.ing bipolar that it's not even remotely close to such an important game, but if they lose there will still have some idiots "riotting" and burning shit after the game, "because they lost!"...
i totally expected this to happen... and i'm sure Van PD did too.
people are rioting because they are drunk and angry it doesn't mean canadians care enough about hockey to riot, they just care enough about hockey to be angry when their home team gets shut out in the finals, and when you're angry and drunk smashing things is fun
On June 16 2011 23:47 Kralic wrote: It is really sad to see this, but Canadians are very fanatic when it comes to hockey. When Montreal is in the playoffs they riot every series the habs win not lose.
I am glad I don't live in a city with the potential of these riots to raise my taxes and waste tax payer money investigating. With all of this video footage a lot of people should be arrested and/or fined.
I could see/have seen every city with a team in Canada riot except maybe Ottawa (pish posh)
On June 16 2011 14:11 EvokedSet wrote: Burn our own city to the ground. That'll teach them.
Seriously, some people are so fucking stupid. Ahahahaha. To damage property and give everyone a bad time because of a sports event? They weren't even playing. Tribal self-esteem-less idiots.
On June 16 2011 23:36 Roe wrote: I never understand these sports riots. Tribalism in the modern age I guess
I'll blame this on media in general. And on the culture that kind of exists as a result of that... which is just ridiculous. Sports? Really?
There are many things in this world to riot about, to be upset about, but Hockey or any sport is not one of them. It actually makes me more upset to think of all the other shit wrong and that people WOULD actually riot but only if their blue colored team wins or loses. That's just sick.
All this crap on TV and Radio and in print just blows up the importance of this crap in people's minds. It's really just a joke. And... if you've got the balls to get drunk and charge police lines and burn shit... do it because of a G8 meeting or a war or the IMF... just goes to show actually WHY our world is so fucked up and where priorities are.
Honestly though, anyone with half a brain and half an eye towards history saw this coming loud and clear. This would have happened win or lose as it's more or less tangential to the actual hockey happening. It's an excuse to fuck shit up and an excuse that Vancouver has acted on in the past. I love the city, but that doesn't mean this comes at all as a surprise.
On June 16 2011 23:36 Roe wrote: I never understand these sports riots. Tribalism in the modern age I guess
I'll blame this on media in general. And on the culture that kind of exists as a result of that... which is just ridiculous. Sports? Really?
There are many things in this world to riot about, to be upset about, but Hockey or any sport is not one of them. It actually makes me more upset to think of all the other shit wrong and that people WOULD actually riot but only if their blue colored team wins or loses. That's just sick.
All this crap on TV and Radio and in print just blows up the importance of this crap in people's minds. It's really just a joke. And... if you've got the balls to get drunk and charge police lines and burn shit... do it because of a G8 meeting or a war or the IMF... just goes to show actually WHY our world is so fucked up and where priorities are.
Oh you mean like the trash anarchists that did this shit in Seattle at WTO? Yeah all those people were heroes .... they really cared so much about free trade... smashing starbucks windows really helped the cause ROFL. Stay ignorant
Let me try and give a little bit of perspective here. I am an American who lives very close to the border. I live in a city that lives hockey. I would say the passion for a hockey team that canadians have can only be rivaled by Buffalo and Detroit. I can totally understand were the Canucks fans are coming from. As someone said earlier in the thread as a Canadian you are born with one dream. That is to raise the stanely cup above your head. Since most will never get the chance to they rely on there home town team to do it for them.
Now losing game 7 at home to a team that many concidered the underdog is one of the most heart breaking things that could happen to that city. I would go as far to say that this game ment as much to Canuck fans as the World Cup does to people in countries like England and Spain. They are most deffinatly angry and when you mix in Alcohol this was bound to happen. When you are drunk and somthing terrible happens instead of getting sad you get Angry and this is the sort of thing that happens when you have thousands of drunk angry people on the streets.
left game without "GG" then turned around and smashed key board/ monitor/ bedroom door.
Good thing I stopped watching hockey after the Canadiens got demolished. God raging with this many people is amazingly scary. I can't imagine the sc2 community rioting we would have some serious rage issues.
On June 17 2011 00:02 Castrophy wrote: Let me try and give a little bit of perspective here. I am an American who lives very close to the border. I live in a city that lives hockey. I would say the passion for a hockey team that canadians have can only be rivaled by Buffalo and Detroit. I can totally understand were the Canucks fans are coming from. As someone said earlier in the thread as a Canadian you are born with one dream. That is to raise the stanely cup above your head. Since most will never get the chance to they rely on there home town team to do it for them.
Now losing game 7 at home to a team that many concidered the underdog is one of the most heart breaking things that could happen to that city. I would go as far to say that this game ment as much to Canuck fans as the World Cup does to people in countries like England and Spain. They are most deffinatly angry and when you mix in Alcohol this was bound to happen. When you are drunk and somthing terrible happens instead of getting sad you get Angry and this is the sort of thing that happens when you have thousands of drunk angry people on the streets.
Why don´t you say that you are from Buffalo and be done with it?. My best friend/roomate from college was from Buffalo and in Hockey season he went absolotely nuts. I went to a couple of games with him in Buffalo and it was awesome, I still treasure the retro Blue and Gold sabres jersey I use every winter. It is still pretty crazy to me that fans can go that crazy (and unchecked) in first line, first world countries such as Canada.
and also, LOL at spanish soccer fans, nowhere near as extreme as in England, Brazil or Argentina for that matter, they are pretty tame (I was in Spain when they were eliminated by France in 06).
On June 16 2011 23:21 Mykill wrote: Reasons to have a riot around the world.
Greeks - Your government is broke and can't fix itself. Egypt - Prime minister is terrible and people are being sent into forced disappearance WWII style Libya - Your leader is killing civilians Canada - We lost the Stanley cup.
I witnessed only one major riot in my country and it also had a political/economical background. But I guess those are the joys of living on a rich country; you destroy things that you may end up paying with your own taxes just because of the most banal thing you can imagine. And don't play the passion card on me, my country is also very "passionate", but in cases like this you normally see the stadium and adjacents getting damaged, not people rampaging over the whole city.
Also, there is one thing that surprises me. Don't they have laws, judges, jails and stuff in Canada? Because I saw a lot of people with the face uncovered and nonchalantly posing for cameras. Even if drunk you have to be incredibly stupid to do that.
On June 16 2011 23:16 Chill wrote: This is pretty embarassing. I'm shocked that Vancouver, of all Canadian cities, did this.
I'm surprised, too. I have relatives in Richmond and I thought Vancouver's demographic is mostly retirees and Chinese immigrants.
It would have been ANY city where the final match was played, Vancouver is for nothing.
Ask to the people who took part in the riot if they're from Vancouver. I'd bet a lot that not that many people actually live in the town they were attempting to destroy...
On June 16 2011 23:16 Chill wrote: This is pretty embarassing. I'm shocked that Vancouver, of all Canadian cities, did this.
I'm surprised, too. I have relatives in Richmond and I thought Vancouver's demographic is mostly retirees and Chinese immigrants.
Gotta keep in mind the number of people doing the rioting, the numbers CTV was throwing out there to try to make it sound like a huge riot was "thousands", which after an hour or so they had to start saying "hundreds" but what it really looked like was one hundred people.
There are definetly one hundred to one thousand young university age males (like me) who live in Vancouver, who were drunk enough to use the game as an excuse to break some stuff (not like me). So I really don't think we should look down on the whole city for this.
Idiots will be idiots regardless, some girl was quoted as saying her boyfriend drove his truck into downtown last night with a bunch of jerry cans full of gas just in case they lost so he could set it on fire...like really? Ugh....
On June 16 2011 23:21 Mykill wrote: Reasons to have a riot around the world.
Greeks - Your government is broke and can't fix itself. Egypt - Prime minister is terrible and people are being sent into forced disappearance WWII style Libya - Your leader is killing civilians Canada - We lost the Stanley cup.
I witnessed only one major riot in my country and it also had a political/economical background. But I guess those are the joys of living on a rich country; you destroy things that you may end up paying with your own taxes just because of the most banal thing you can imagine. And don't play the passion card on me, my country is also very "passionate", but in cases like this you normally see the stadium and adjacents getting damaged, not people rampaging over the whole city.
Also, there is one thing that surprises me. Don't they have laws, judges, jails and stuff in Canada? Because I saw a lot of people with the face uncovered and nonchalantly posing for cameras. Even if drunk you have to be incredibly stupid to do that.
Well, I guess that when we have almost no major issues to worry about in our country, we have to create our own, often unimportant, reasons to riot and incite revolution... -_-
On June 16 2011 22:53 Boundless wrote: Also, Vancouver fans have no class. Real fans of the game of hockey can appreciate the efforts of a better team, instead of booing the Stanley Cup winners and burning police cars outside.
I think they were just booing Bettman, because he hates the Canadian market and wants desperately for Black people to watch hockey games. He is probably sick that Atlanta is moving to Winnipeg. Bettman relished giving the cup to Chara though, I could hear it in his voice.
Everybody boos Bettman, but they definitely continued booing and also increased the volume when Thomas was handed the Conn Smythe.
On June 16 2011 22:53 Boundless wrote: Also, Vancouver fans have no class. Real fans of the game of hockey can appreciate the efforts of a better team, instead of booing the Stanley Cup winners and burning police cars outside.
I think they were just booing Bettman, because he hates the Canadian market and wants desperately for Black people to watch hockey games. He is probably sick that Atlanta is moving to Winnipeg. Bettman relished giving the cup to Chara though, I could hear it in his voice.
Everybody boos Bettman, but they definitely continued booing and also increased the volume when Thomas was handed the Conn Smythe.
On June 16 2011 23:36 Roe wrote: I never understand these sports riots. Tribalism in the modern age I guess
I'll blame this on media in general. And on the culture that kind of exists as a result of that... which is just ridiculous. Sports? Really?
There are many things in this world to riot about, to be upset about, but Hockey or any sport is not one of them. It actually makes me more upset to think of all the other shit wrong and that people WOULD actually riot but only if their blue colored team wins or loses. That's just sick.
All this crap on TV and Radio and in print just blows up the importance of this crap in people's minds. It's really just a joke. And... if you've got the balls to get drunk and charge police lines and burn shit... do it because of a G8 meeting or a war or the IMF... just goes to show actually WHY our world is so fucked up and where priorities are.
how on earth can you blame this on the media???
I'm sure that for the last 3 weeks, not to mention the last 20 years, sports stories are front page, first on the commercials for TV news. Instead of... say... something important? Hence... people think this is actually something consequential to get upset about- because it's everywhere on TV and in magazines and always has been. Their team is their identity. Which can also be blamed on media always selecting entertainment value over actual meaningful content. ^.^
On June 16 2011 23:36 Roe wrote: I never understand these sports riots. Tribalism in the modern age I guess
I'll blame this on media in general. And on the culture that kind of exists as a result of that... which is just ridiculous. Sports? Really?
There are many things in this world to riot about, to be upset about, but Hockey or any sport is not one of them. It actually makes me more upset to think of all the other shit wrong and that people WOULD actually riot but only if their blue colored team wins or loses. That's just sick.
All this crap on TV and Radio and in print just blows up the importance of this crap in people's minds. It's really just a joke. And... if you've got the balls to get drunk and charge police lines and burn shit... do it because of a G8 meeting or a war or the IMF... just goes to show actually WHY our world is so fucked up and where priorities are.
how on earth can you blame this on the media???
I'm sure that for the last 3 weeks, not to mention the last 20 years, sports stories are front page, first on the commercials for TV news. Instead of... say... something important? Hence... people think this is actually something consequential to get upset about- because it's everywhere on TV and in magazines and always has been. Their team is their identity. Which can also be blamed on media always selecting entertainment value over actual meaningful content. ^.^
Why didn;'t every Canuck fan riot then if the media is to blame??
It sure sounds a hell of a lot more like retards doing retarded things
On June 16 2011 23:21 Mykill wrote: Reasons to have a riot around the world.
Greeks - Your government is broke and can't fix itself. Egypt - Prime minister is terrible and people are being sent into forced disappearance WWII style Libya - Your leader is killing civilians Canada - We lost the Stanley cup.
I witnessed only one major riot in my country and it also had a political/economical background. But I guess those are the joys of living on a rich country; you destroy things that you may end up paying with your own taxes just because of the most banal thing you can imagine. And don't play the passion card on me, my country is also very "passionate", but in cases like this you normally see the stadium and adjacents getting damaged, not people rampaging over the whole city.
Also, there is one thing that surprises me. Don't they have laws, judges, jails and stuff in Canada? Because I saw a lot of people with the face uncovered and nonchalantly posing for cameras. Even if drunk you have to be incredibly stupid to do that.
What country do you live in? Do I have to remind you what happened when Nueva Chicago was demoted to the B league last time?
I see Mauro Martin with his face uncovered every time I go to the stadium, and he has done worst things than burn a couple of cars and break some windows so please stop making ridiculous and untrue statements.
Minor looting, couple of cars and small fires, this wasn't even a riot. 94 was a riot. after L.A won the championship, that was a riot - this was retards jumping on cop cars.
On June 17 2011 00:53 Dac wrote: All this stupidity and the majority of the Boston players are Canadian :D they must feel embarrassed/like shit.
It would be awesome if people would STOP pointing that out. Everyone who watches hockey is fully aware of this, it's not about the players, it's about the CITY the TEAM is from, it has nothing to do with the individuals.
On June 16 2011 14:09 puttputt wrote: I am pretty embarrassed to call myself Canadian right now.
Don't be . We're not all the same just because we live in the same country! Being Canadian just means you live in a particular country with some geographical boundaries, that is governed by a particular entity. That's all it is...there's no reason why you should be ashamed for what other people do. There's no connection between you and them, except that you were born in the same country!
On June 16 2011 23:24 PetitCrabe wrote: In Montreal, when there's a riot because of hockey, there's this general consensus that you have to go wreck the first Foot Lockers store you see and steal the shoes. It's like a rule... hahhaha. Some people in the thread said that the riots aren't started by the fans but some other idiots starting shit and it's true. The first riot a couple of years ago in Montreal wasn't STARTED by the hockey fans, but by people who got their Wu Tang Clan concert cancelled the same night. They started shit, walked around downtown, then the Habs fan saw people breaking stuff and they joined in.
ahhah... like my nicknames says it, im a huge wu tang fan and i live in montreal
I was there the night the riot start, april 21th, but the show wasnt cancel at all, I saw the wu tang that nigh bro. the only thing its they were only 4 instead of 8.. (but seriously, everybody knew they would not be there all..) and the riot was started before the show was finished, when I got out of the metropolis, there was already police car flaming. it was a pretty nice night.
On June 16 2011 14:09 puttputt wrote: I am pretty embarrassed to call myself Canadian right now.
Don't be . We're not all the same just because we live in the same country! Being Canadian just means you live in a particular country with some geographical boundaries, that is governed by a particular entity. That's all it is...there's no reason why you should be ashamed for what other people do. There's no connection between you and them, except that you were born in the same country!
On June 16 2011 23:16 Chill wrote: This is pretty embarassing. I'm shocked that Vancouver, of all Canadian cities, did this.
I'm surprised, too. I have relatives in Richmond and I thought Vancouver's demographic is mostly retirees and Chinese immigrants.
You think Asians can't throw down homie???
Ahahahahaha. That pic made me laugh. I think my cousins there are still too FOBby to watch hockey.
Whether it's math, violin, or going on a violent drunken rampage after the Stanley Cup there's going to be a skinny asian kid that does it better than you
Yeah, I get it's the Stanley Cup. And yeah, I get that they're Canadian and they're supposed to "represent" . But... really? Not exactly the most mature reaction ever -.-'
On June 16 2011 23:21 Mykill wrote: Reasons to have a riot around the world.
Greeks - Your government is broke and can't fix itself. Egypt - Prime minister is terrible and people are being sent into forced disappearance WWII style Libya - Your leader is killing civilians Canada - We lost the Stanley cup.
I witnessed only one major riot in my country and it also had a political/economical background. But I guess those are the joys of living on a rich country; you destroy things that you may end up paying with your own taxes just because of the most banal thing you can imagine. And don't play the passion card on me, my country is also very "passionate", but in cases like this you normally see the stadium and adjacents getting damaged, not people rampaging over the whole city.
Also, there is one thing that surprises me. Don't they have laws, judges, jails and stuff in Canada? Because I saw a lot of people with the face uncovered and nonchalantly posing for cameras. Even if drunk you have to be incredibly stupid to do that.
What country do you live in? Do I have to remind you what happened when Nueva Chicago was demoted to the B league last time?
I see Mauro Martin with his face uncovered every time I go to the stadium, and he has done worst things than burn a couple of cars and break some windows so please stop making ridiculous and untrue statements.
A battle royal between factions that do as they want with the approval and support of the police and politicians sure is the same thing as this, right? That's why I used the word normally, to equate things. If you want me to post the differences I'll gladly do.
I saw pictures of Hitler with face uncovered; your point? Martin is "smart" enough to have contacts that protect his ass and I don't think those random canadian do, therefore, they are stupid and my statement is true.
On June 17 2011 01:36 kittensrcute wrote: Game 7 wasn't even close -.-, I'm surprised the rioting didn't start during the second period, when the game was pretty much a lost cause.
It seems like people were just looking for an excuse to do stupid shit, ehhhh, the whole thing is over my head t.t
Teams have come back from 3 goal deficits before and fans wanted to believe that the canucks could pull a 3rd period comeback
with 5 minutes left to go, people were already starting fights
On June 16 2011 23:21 Mykill wrote: Reasons to have a riot around the world.
Greeks - Your government is broke and can't fix itself. Egypt - Prime minister is terrible and people are being sent into forced disappearance WWII style Libya - Your leader is killing civilians Canada - We lost the Stanley cup.
I witnessed only one major riot in my country and it also had a political/economical background. But I guess those are the joys of living on a rich country; you destroy things that you may end up paying with your own taxes just because of the most banal thing you can imagine. And don't play the passion card on me, my country is also very "passionate", but in cases like this you normally see the stadium and adjacents getting damaged, not people rampaging over the whole city.
Also, there is one thing that surprises me. Don't they have laws, judges, jails and stuff in Canada? Because I saw a lot of people with the face uncovered and nonchalantly posing for cameras. Even if drunk you have to be incredibly stupid to do that.
What country do you live in? Do I have to remind you what happened when Nueva Chicago was demoted to the B league last time?
I see Mauro Martin with his face uncovered every time I go to the stadium, and he has done worst things than burn a couple of cars and break some windows so please stop making ridiculous and untrue statements.
A battle royal between factions that do as they want with the approval and support of the police and politicians sure is the same thing as this, right? That's why I used the word normally, to equate things. If you want me to post the differences I'll gladly do.
I saw pictures of Hitler with face uncovered; your point? Martin is "smart" enough to have contacts that protect his ass and I don't think those random canadian do, therefore, they are stupid and my statement is true.
Bostero tenías que ser.
It is ridiculous that you are trying to argue that Argentina is more civilized than Canada, but still:
1. There was no "Battle Royal" between factions. It was the Chicago supporters versus the police, which spilled out of the stadium onto the streets to the point of completely blockading the main transit highway in Buenos Aires. One person died who was not part of the fight/disturbances. Clearly a lot more serious than what happened in Canada where nobody died. Inform yourself before you continue to misinform.
2. Mauro Martin, as well as Di Zeo, are known criminals who have/had warrants for their arrest. They still go to the stadium unhindered. This is clearly a lot more serious than some canadian vandals showing their faces in public´
I will derail this conversation no further, I hope you see how stupid your argument is, that Canadians are more uncivilized than Argentines, lol.
Let's be honest, the riot was going to happen no matter what. Almost 100,000 people gathered around to watch and all it takes is a 50-100 people to get a mob started and from there it's a crowd mentality. Also don't think that Hockey Riots in Canada aren't something that happen often, Montreal is often known for rioting after a loss or win in the playoffs.
Let's just hope Toronto (rofl) never makes it back to the cup, because win or lose the city will be flipped worse than anything done in Vancouver. All that being said, so fucking stupid of people and I can't wait for the Facebook groups to get more and more people arrested.
But Canadians are some of the nicest people in the world ! After looking at some of those riot photos, people posing for pictures... it's like a semi-aggressive mob. Half the people smashing and burning, half the people following along to take pictures.
And I'm sorry, but this picture just screams "come at me bro."
Also, I should bring something up since the Olympics have been talked about quite a bit in this thread. There would have been a 0% chance of a riot had Canada lost in the Gold medal Hockey game, it's just something as a Canadian I know it wouldn't happen. But we won, and in literally every major city across the country streets were filling up with people celebrating, but not be complete fucking idiots. Where I live in London (yes in Canada), our main strip that has most of the bars was shut down from the time of Crosby's goal until about 3am because it was full of people.
On June 17 2011 02:38 Souljah wrote: Idiots... I've seen some stupid shit but this tops it. I love my NFL team, but I'm not gonna go burn my city down because they lost the superbowl.
then are you really a fan?!?!?!?!?!?!?
jk. but that picture with the couple making out in the middle of the riot needs some context. Only in Canada...
On June 17 2011 03:09 EAGER-beaver wrote: Starcraft will only become a legitimate sport after its first riot. We can make that happen guys, just hold the next MLG in Montreal, lolz.
It'll sure make headlines, that's for sure! Make even a few minutes on Fox News lol.
This is an embarrassment for Vancouver. Its ridiculous, your team loses just go out and drink your faces off, don't hurt people and burn police cars. Any one who took part in this are complete jackasses. If I was there to watch the hockey game with my family/friends and after the game we got bombarded by smoke bombs and riot tactics because of these people I'd be pissed. Even worse if any of them got injured or killed.
already posted in here but after seeing some more pics and videos
it makes me so fucking angry that these fucking morons think they can do this shit over a fucking sport, half of them are doing it because they think it makes them cool
the worst part is, they'll keep thinking that when this is all over
what a fucking disgrace of a city, canada you've just completely dropped off my list of places to go
On June 16 2011 17:20 lvlashimaro wrote: I'm not gonna lie. Stupid riots like these are the reason why I stopped being a Lakers fan. I know.. basketball =/= hockey.
If my fucking Kings won the cup. I think I'd be a little bit of a rioter. Why? Because we've never won the cup. "Screw this city for taking so damn long". Just kidding.... but really...
As glad as I am that the 'nucks lost, I'm really disappointed that this shit (although totally expected), went down. It's always sad to hear about someone losing a life to an event like this. And I feel like posters suchas EcstatiC should be thoroughly ashamed about their posts. People RATE riots? That's insane and preposterous. Way to value the life of a dead man through a 1-10 scale. Even worse, people bragging about other cities where riots are bigger? What? Why would anyone be proud of their city acting so primitively? Not only that, but when other TLers are concerned, turn back around and call us pussies? I don't know if you've ever been raided before, but it's a terrible, and traumatic experience. If anyone is to grow up, it would be the people taking the situation so lightheartedly.
Hopefully not an exorbitant amount of monetary and emotional damage was done. Best of luck Vancouver
Yes, if you take a step back an view things logically a riot is stupid and harmful... Critically Humans aren't exactly logical beings(Though we like to think we are). If you get to the core, we are just animals... and as animals we are territorially and extremely violent... And I for one think, that though the damage caused does suck... the outcome to see our basic instincts in full swing is rather entertaining... Call me primitive, call me horrible/disgusting etc. but I enjoy watching our race show its true colours. and it brings be a strange feeling of pride and hope that My Country has a chance hang with the big boys of sports riots(Europe and soccer) We're not there yet.. but dammit we are trying! Also you claim to be concerned by a loss of life... welcome to earth, people die by the thousands a minute... Yes it sucks and it prolly could be avoided(My condolences to the family) But we die... it happens people get fucked up all the time for stupid reasons/retarded freak accidents... deal with it.
"Deal with it."?? Did you really mean it when you offered your condolences? It seems you keep contradicting yourself. "It sucks... but wait it actually doesn't..." You remind me of the few "slow" people I've seen (not calling you one) when I read your post and try to follow the dim and wavering thought-processes going on in your head.
Yes it's greeaaat Canada is trying to hang with the big boys in Europe. But the reason why European riots are taken seriously while everyone is laughing at the Canadian riots is because one is over soccer and the other is over... hockey. Hockey, really.
On June 17 2011 03:26 youngminii wrote: already posted in here but after seeing some more pics and videos
it makes me so fucking angry that these fucking morons think they can do this shit over a fucking sport, half of them are doing it because they think it makes them cool
the worst part is, they'll keep thinking that when this is all over
what a fucking disgrace of a city, canada you've just completely dropped off my list of places to go
These kinds of things happen all over the place. Looks like you'll be staying in australia for your whole life
On June 17 2011 02:38 Souljah wrote: Idiots... I've seen some stupid shit but this tops it. I love my NFL team, but I'm not gonna go burn my city down because they lost the superbowl.
then are you really a fan?!?!?!?!?!?!?
jk. but that picture with the couple making out in the middle of the riot needs some context. Only in Canada...
Hahaha, I too was wondering about that. Looks like they were really getting it on.
Don't post your retarded opinions about how Vancouver hockey fans should be embarrased. I watched this with thousands of other people. Everyone there went home depressed.
The people you see here, are in no way related to hockey. They were just looking for an excuse to destroy the city and the fans are the ones who rallied up to clean this mess up starting this morning.
On June 17 2011 03:26 youngminii wrote: already posted in here but after seeing some more pics and videos
it makes me so fucking angry that these fucking morons think they can do this shit over a fucking sport, half of them are doing it because they think it makes them cool
the worst part is, they'll keep thinking that when this is all over
what a fucking disgrace of a city, canada you've just completely dropped off my list of places to go
Any Canadian would tell you that Vancouver is one of the best cities in Canada to visit. It's really embarrassing that something like this could happen here though, especially after how well the Olympics went.
What a bunch of tossers, why would wreck your own town just because you lost a sports game?
I mean the UK is known to have some of the most passionate football fans in the world but were not fucking dumb enough to trash our own citys, if we do trash a town its usually some one else's lol.
On June 16 2011 14:18 Manifesto7 wrote: I hope their employers are watching.
Simple yet true.
So many people posting pictures and bragging about taking part on their social networks... tons of photo and video evidence for police to identify people with.
This is not over. These people don't realize the trouble they're in I think. They won't catch everyone, but police are not idiots. Past riots in Canada (G20) have done very well to identify people responsible. Of course, there are always psychos coming from other countries JUST to riot and they will be gone far away but at least of the hundreds or thousands of participants, many of them will get caught.
Idiots that take joy in destruction and assault. Even just standing there and watching, taking pictures, etc... it's inciting more rioting. Everyone that stayed for the show is indirectly guilty of rioting as well, even if they didn't destroy anything. They made the job much harder for police and kept the ones rioting going. The majority of people seem like 16-24 year old people, not surprising.
With everything said, this was a pretty bad riot. Assaulting innocent people, burning random cars, stabbings, and even rumours of forcing a person to jump off a bridge (although police have said this wasn't a forced jump, who knows at this point... this don't want to incite more panic).
A sad day for humanity when a first world country has a relatively major riot over a hockey game. Makes me think some people don't deserve their liberties. I wish the army could take control of situations like this. Force everyone they catch into a boot camp and shape them up, maybe they wouldn't be as stupid in the future.
I could keep going for pages but I'll stop here. This situation and these people make me so angry I can barely think straight.
On June 17 2011 02:38 Souljah wrote: Idiots... I've seen some stupid shit but this tops it. I love my NFL team, but I'm not gonna go burn my city down because they lost the superbowl.
then are you really a fan?!?!?!?!?!?!?
jk. but that picture with the couple making out in the middle of the riot needs some context. Only in Canada...
Hahaha, I too was wondering about that. Looks like they were really getting it on.
On June 17 2011 03:26 youngminii wrote: already posted in here but after seeing some more pics and videos
it makes me so fucking angry that these fucking morons think they can do this shit over a fucking sport, half of them are doing it because they think it makes them cool
the worst part is, they'll keep thinking that when this is all over
what a fucking disgrace of a city, canada you've just completely dropped off my list of places to go
Thanks for labeling all of Canadians just because of a small group of people in Vancouver. When Calgary lost the Stanley Cup it wasn't THIS bad. You think you're the only one angry? Try being one of the large majority of sensible people living there.
On June 17 2011 02:38 Souljah wrote: Idiots... I've seen some stupid shit but this tops it. I love my NFL team, but I'm not gonna go burn my city down because they lost the superbowl.
then are you really a fan?!?!?!?!?!?!?
jk. but that picture with the couple making out in the middle of the riot needs some context. Only in Canada...
Hahaha, I too was wondering about that. Looks like they were really getting it on.
Its not as romantic as it appears, she is actually injured and he is aiding her, from a stab wound on her stomach.
On June 17 2011 03:26 youngminii wrote: already posted in here but after seeing some more pics and videos
it makes me so fucking angry that these fucking morons think they can do this shit over a fucking sport, half of them are doing it because they think it makes them cool
the worst part is, they'll keep thinking that when this is all over
what a fucking disgrace of a city, canada you've just completely dropped off my list of places to go
These kinds of things happen all over the place. Looks like you'll be staying in australia for your whole life
Yeah.
Learn to not see groups of people as a single person, other you look just as ignorant as them.
I don't understand this, at all. As an American myself, I don't understand anyone's fascination with hockey, be they Canadian, Russian, American, etc. I have a large group of friends in the Vancouver area, and I can attest to the fact that not all Canadians are indeed mindless rioters.
However, I'd like to make a comment to all the Canadians in this thread asking everyone to differentiate between the insane rioters and the mentally stable Vancouverians(?): If you'd like us to treat you as different, please don't think all Americans are redneck hillbillies who marry their own cousins and shoot squirrels from their front porch.
It's sad to know that a group of people could use something such as the loss of a sporting event (aka an insignificant event) to justify the destruction of a city and the businesses therein.
Although it's hard to differentiate the Vancouver fans from the rioters (since most of them have jerseys on, which is most likely a cover) there's no doubt that a lot of them are fans who joined in the first batch of people who planned to orchestrate this thing.
It's just an excuse to loot and cause havoc for the sake of doing so. I can't recall this sort of thing happening at any Super Bowl in America, am I wrong?
This thread is terrible. The people are mad about political stuff, the sports arena happened to set them off. Who cares what it looks like to other countries, this happens in europe too. Things are bad and people are angry.
This might be a bit radical, but I'd seriously fire at them with rubber ammo, lock everyone I could down, fine couple thousand bucks and people would think twice next time. No mercy, no tolerance. I would understand if this was a political/social/economic manifestation, but still it doesn't justify all the damage done by those criminals.
This kind of thing happens everywhere, weather its political or for sports or something else. Stop labeling all of Canada because of riots. Its ridiculous.
I don't really understand why people would be saying things like "Well, Vancouver/Canada just dropped off of my list of places to visit". I promise you that wasn't everyone from Vancouver or Canada, it was a group of shit disturbers trying to re-enact a riot from 1994.
Points of importance:
-This riot was nothing compared to what happened in 1994 -News coverage and police statements indicate that only a fraction of people were actually causing trouble, the majority of people were taking picture for Facebook and videos for YouTube -This is not an indicator of how the rest of Vancouver acts in their day to day lives.
I agree, it makes us look bad, but Canadians are still the friendly folk we've always been. Every city has their share of jagoffs, just search Boston Fans in youtube, most people know the video I'm talking about. It's time to move on and stop dignifying the stupid behaviour of a few with responses, because 12 years down the road when we get to a Stanley Cup final again, we don't need people trying to recreate the "2011 Stanley Cup Riots".
I'll be downtown with the rest of the volunteers today cleaning up.
On June 17 2011 03:32 CanucksJC wrote: STOP. BRINGING. HOCKEY. INTO. THIS.
Don't post your retarded opinions about how Vancouver hockey fans should be embarrased. I watched this with thousands of other people. Everyone there went home depressed.
The people you see here, are in no way related to hockey. They were just looking for an excuse to destroy the city and the fans are the ones who rallied up to clean this mess up starting this morning.
there are tons of pictures of people decked out Nucks gear. The hell are you talking about???
a lot of people just showed up for chaos like in '94, but there was definitely plenty of canucks fans there.
On June 17 2011 03:32 CanucksJC wrote: STOP. BRINGING. HOCKEY. INTO. THIS.
Don't post your retarded opinions about how Vancouver hockey fans should be embarrased. I watched this with thousands of other people. Everyone there went home depressed.
The people you see here, are in no way related to hockey. They were just looking for an excuse to destroy the city and the fans are the ones who rallied up to clean this mess up starting this morning.
there are tons of pictures of people decked out Nucks gear. The hell are you talking about???
a lot of people just showed up for chaos like in '94, but there was definitely plenty of canucks fans there.
you realize how little difference it makes by wearing a canucks jersey?. only a fraction of nucks fans are doing this, it's just dumbasses looting/people wanting to start shit.
idc if hate on nucks from a hockey standpoint but this doesn't have anything to do with hockey. when shit happens and people start doing stuff with 50000 other people it's a chain reaction.
i know a lot of people who went downtown just to take pictures and they weren't canucks fans. they're just people who want to be involved in this stupid shit
and 80% of the people i know who actually went downtown were just bandwagon fans. they don't care if the canucks are doing bad, or mediocre. that isn't a real fan. 80% of the people who are watching in vancouver are guys who never watch hockey in the regular season let alone 1st 2nd round of the playoffs
On June 17 2011 02:38 Souljah wrote: Idiots... I've seen some stupid shit but this tops it. I love my NFL team, but I'm not gonna go burn my city down because they lost the superbowl.
then are you really a fan?!?!?!?!?!?!?
jk. but that picture with the couple making out in the middle of the riot needs some context. Only in Canada...
Hahaha, I too was wondering about that. Looks like they were really getting it on.
Its not as romantic as it appears, she is actually injured and he is aiding her, from a stab wound on her stomach.
Almost makes me wish we lived in a big brother type society where every single on of those miscreants was hunted down and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
Burning cop cars is one thing (standard mob fare), but that video of the mob beating a civilian trying to maintain a semblance of sanity sent me overboard. Most fucking disgusting thing I've ever seen.
Are we really still this primitive? Civilization is a joke.
On June 17 2011 03:32 CanucksJC wrote: STOP. BRINGING. HOCKEY. INTO. THIS.
Don't post your retarded opinions about how Vancouver hockey fans should be embarrased. I watched this with thousands of other people. Everyone there went home depressed.
The people you see here, are in no way related to hockey. They were just looking for an excuse to destroy the city and the fans are the ones who rallied up to clean this mess up starting this morning.
there are tons of pictures of people decked out Nucks gear. The hell are you talking about???
a lot of people just showed up for chaos like in '94, but there was definitely plenty of canucks fans there.
Wearing a Canucks jersey doesn't make you a Canucks fan.
On June 17 2011 03:26 youngminii wrote: already posted in here but after seeing some more pics and videos
it makes me so fucking angry that these fucking morons think they can do this shit over a fucking sport, half of them are doing it because they think it makes them cool
the worst part is, they'll keep thinking that when this is all over
what a fucking disgrace of a city, canada you've just completely dropped off my list of places to go
Over one riot in Vancouver?
Come on Australia Riots happen everywhere as morons are everywhere.
Saying "Oh my god Canadians/people from Vancouver/Canucks fans are such a disgrace" is like saying that German people are a disgrace because some German people were Nazis. Stop being retarded.
On June 17 2011 04:23 GolemMadness wrote: Saying "Oh my god Canadians/people from Vancouver/Canucks fans are such a disgrace" is like saying that German people are a disgrace because some German people were Nazis. Stop being retarded.
Only because "some" Nazi's murdered about 2 million jews
Pretty poor rioting. And what is up with smiling into the camera and then smashing a window in? At least cover your face up. COME ON. Bunch of amateurs.
On June 17 2011 04:25 Harris1st wrote: i heard canadians are one of the most peaceful people on earth.... maybe only 364 days a year
364 days a year every 17 years lol
vancouver a great place, great people and shit. it's sad that this has to happen, and people will forget about this eventually. just want people to know that the city is really beautiful, there are good people, it's diverse. don't judge because of 1 event.
I believe riots are caused by a small handful of troublemakers mixed into a huge crowd - they may not even care about hockey at all - their sole purpose is to cause trouble and create a confusion so they can rob stores.
I believe the police will be hunting down trouble makers who foolishly allow themselves to be caught on camera.
I was right there for about an hour after the game and I regret not leaving. Thankfully I haven't seen my face in any pictures or videos, but I remember looking right into a camera and screaming for no reason. I wasn't drunk and I wasn't being an idiot. I was just kinda there trolling around with some friends. Like "yeah! kill that window! that's why we lost!" etc etc. I was right there when the first squad of riot police showed up and everyone started throwing things at them and yelled out "Why the hell do we hate the police!??!" and a bunch of people screamed at me swearing and that's when I threw my morals out and decided a white knight is not what I needed to be. It was insane and I think I stayed around just because I'll never experience anything like that ever again. I'm pretty worried something will pop up with me on it, even though there were tens of thousands of onlookers who weren't actually participating (like I was). That's why things go so out of hand, because the drunk idiots were getting cheers and attention from the people watching. If everyone who wasn't actually going to do anything got out of there, the situation would've been nothing. The police did a great job with the situation presented and the amount of resources they had. I just had hoped they would have all been in position well before the game ended because everyone knew this would happen with the score out of hand halfway through the 3rd. I was there to watch the game and when it ended I should have have left. Even when the game was on and still close, I could tell probably half the people there had no interest in the game. Everyone was drunk and high and just being complete idiots. It was inevitable that those type of actions would arise after what I saw before the game even ended.
On June 16 2011 23:35 shell wrote: Man all the biggest/famous/tradicional football teams in europe have more then 100 years and it's not acceptable that the fans riot when they lose..
For instance Liverpool doesn't win the premier league in almost 20 years and they were the team with most wins(now man utd has more) and they don't riot..
Benfica the best team in Portugal is being overshadowed by Porto in the last 30 years and we never rioted even with Porto being accused of various crimes and corruption for the last 30 years since they started winning..
I don't think this is acceptable or understandable.. it's really stupid and sad..
On the other hand football also brings forth too much violence and even ice hockey is nothing compared to football in that department..
I expect more from you canadiens since you guys are one of the most inteligent and peacefull countrys in the world..
My guess is that we're used to taking care of hooligans in Europe.. We've got PLENTY of experience with cases like this..
The picture of that skinny Asian guy is hilarious. Not even with a hokey stick he looks dangerous.
On June 17 2011 04:23 GolemMadness wrote: Saying "Oh my god Canadians/people from Vancouver/Canucks fans are such a disgrace" is like saying that German people are a disgrace because some German people were Nazis. Stop being retarded.
Only because "some" Nazi's murdered about 2 million jews
lol it never gets old doesn't it?
u do realize that was almost 70 years ago? why are we always the bad guys? a long time ago the north american continent was populated by natives, where are they now? most of them are dead... u know who did it? you people and dont get me started on the church and how many they killed...
I gained an ounce of respect for Vancouver through these riots. Rioting shows that the people of Vancouver really, REALLY like their hockey, and are motivated enough to emotionally react in a visible, active way. Business owners have insurance, so I would not view the looting/destruction as completely annihilating a owner's savings: I do acknowledge that insurance doesn't wipe their losses clean, however, and I feel for their extreme loss. All in all, it was a relatively controlled riot that showed spirit and heart for a team destined for a cup soon; it was not the riot of '94.
The above statement does not apply in any way, shape or form to riots regarding the Oakland Raiders football team.
On June 17 2011 04:23 GolemMadness wrote: Saying "Oh my god Canadians/people from Vancouver/Canucks fans are such a disgrace" is like saying that German people are a disgrace because some German people were Nazis. Stop being retarded.
Only because "some" Nazi's murdered about 2 million jews
lol it never gets old doesn't it?
u do realize that was almost 70 years ago? why are we always the bad guys? a long time ago the north american country was populated by natives, where are they now? most of dead... u know who did it? you people and dont get me started on the church and how many they killed...
so get over it, shit happens
Pretty much this. Too much blaming going on. We need to act like people functioning in a society. No more "Japan bombed pearl harbor." "Nazis killed Jews" "Americans killed indians." "Slavery." If we keep bringing up what our ancestors did, how can we move forward? No more excuses.
On June 17 2011 04:23 GolemMadness wrote: Saying "Oh my god Canadians/people from Vancouver/Canucks fans are such a disgrace" is like saying that German people are a disgrace because some German people were Nazis. Stop being retarded.
Only because "some" Nazi's murdered about 2 million jews
lol it never gets old doesn't it?
u do realize that was almost 70 years ago? why are we always the bad guys? a long time ago the north american continent was populated by natives, where are they now? most of them are dead... u know who did it? you people and dont get me started on the church and how many they killed...
On June 17 2011 04:36 Crazyspoon wrote: I gained an ounce of respect for Vancouver through these riots. Rioting shows that the people of Vancouver really, REALLY like their hockey, and are motivated enough to emotionally react in a visible, active way.
People were planning to riot and loot regardless of if we won or lost, so this doesn't really add up. If trashing our own shit is something that gave you respect for us, we really don't need your support, thanks.
On June 17 2011 03:32 CanucksJC wrote: STOP. BRINGING. HOCKEY. INTO. THIS.
Don't post your retarded opinions about how Vancouver hockey fans should be embarrased. I watched this with thousands of other people. Everyone there went home depressed.
The people you see here, are in no way related to hockey. They were just looking for an excuse to destroy the city and the fans are the ones who rallied up to clean this mess up starting this morning.
there are tons of pictures of people decked out Nucks gear. The hell are you talking about???
a lot of people just showed up for chaos like in '94, but there was definitely plenty of canucks fans there.
Wearing a Canucks jersey doesn't make you a Canucks fan.
On June 17 2011 03:32 CanucksJC wrote: STOP. BRINGING. HOCKEY. INTO. THIS.
Don't post your retarded opinions about how Vancouver hockey fans should be embarrased. I watched this with thousands of other people. Everyone there went home depressed.
The people you see here, are in no way related to hockey. They were just looking for an excuse to destroy the city and the fans are the ones who rallied up to clean this mess up starting this morning.
there are tons of pictures of people decked out Nucks gear. The hell are you talking about???
a lot of people just showed up for chaos like in '94, but there was definitely plenty of canucks fans there.
you realize how little difference it makes by wearing a canucks jersey?. only a fraction of nucks fans are doing this, it's just dumbasses looting/people wanting to start shit.
idc if hate on nucks from a hockey standpoint but this doesn't have anything to do with hockey. when shit happens and people start doing stuff with 50000 other people it's a chain reaction.
i know a lot of people who went downtown just to take pictures and they weren't canucks fans. they're just people who want to be involved in this stupid shit
and 80% of the people i know who actually went downtown were just bandwagon fans. they don't care if the canucks are doing bad, or mediocre. that isn't a real fan. 80% of the people who are watching in vancouver are guys who never watch hockey in the regular season let alone 1st 2nd round of the playoffs
ah yes, I too generally spent $100 something dollars to buy a shirt that I completely and totally hate!
while there was plenty of dudes in black who came for the sole purpose of fucking shit up, there were assloads of canucks fans there. I don't see how one can deny that.
On June 17 2011 03:32 CanucksJC wrote: STOP. BRINGING. HOCKEY. INTO. THIS.
Don't post your retarded opinions about how Vancouver hockey fans should be embarrased. I watched this with thousands of other people. Everyone there went home depressed.
The people you see here, are in no way related to hockey. They were just looking for an excuse to destroy the city and the fans are the ones who rallied up to clean this mess up starting this morning.
there are tons of pictures of people decked out Nucks gear. The hell are you talking about???
a lot of people just showed up for chaos like in '94, but there was definitely plenty of canucks fans there.
Wearing a Canucks jersey doesn't make you a Canucks fan.
On June 17 2011 03:32 CanucksJC wrote: STOP. BRINGING. HOCKEY. INTO. THIS.
Don't post your retarded opinions about how Vancouver hockey fans should be embarrased. I watched this with thousands of other people. Everyone there went home depressed.
The people you see here, are in no way related to hockey. They were just looking for an excuse to destroy the city and the fans are the ones who rallied up to clean this mess up starting this morning.
there are tons of pictures of people decked out Nucks gear. The hell are you talking about???
a lot of people just showed up for chaos like in '94, but there was definitely plenty of canucks fans there.
you realize how little difference it makes by wearing a canucks jersey?. only a fraction of nucks fans are doing this, it's just dumbasses looting/people wanting to start shit.
idc if hate on nucks from a hockey standpoint but this doesn't have anything to do with hockey. when shit happens and people start doing stuff with 50000 other people it's a chain reaction.
i know a lot of people who went downtown just to take pictures and they weren't canucks fans. they're just people who want to be involved in this stupid shit
and 80% of the people i know who actually went downtown were just bandwagon fans. they don't care if the canucks are doing bad, or mediocre. that isn't a real fan. 80% of the people who are watching in vancouver are guys who never watch hockey in the regular season let alone 1st 2nd round of the playoffs
ah yes, I too generally spent $100 something dollars to buy a shirt that I completely and totally hate!
while there was plenty of dudes in black who came for the sole purpose of fucking shit up, there were assloads of canucks fans there. I don't see how one can deny that.
I have a $150 Habs jersey and I don't particularly care though.
On June 17 2011 04:23 GolemMadness wrote: Saying "Oh my god Canadians/people from Vancouver/Canucks fans are such a disgrace" is like saying that German people are a disgrace because some German people were Nazis. Stop being retarded.
Only because "some" Nazi's murdered about 2 million jews
lol it never gets old doesn't it?
u do realize that was almost 70 years ago? why are we always the bad guys? a long time ago the north american continent was populated by natives, where are they now? most of them are dead... u know who did it? you people and dont get me started on the church and how many they killed...
so get over it, shit happens
lol, "shit happens"
You funny =)
ok, change that in "shit happens, if we let it happen"
They breaking stuff as if they were not paying for it in the end... come on guys, torching police cars, breaking theyr own city, who you think pay the taxes? you think the cops are like ** oh fuck they burning our cars !! ** hell no! they more like ** look at those monkeys, they want more taxes **
Pretty much every major sporting event will eventually turn into a shit storm if repeated enough. Here in Edmonton we had riots and the Oilers didn't even make the finals, or were at home.
What Vancouver did was merely a interesting example of mob mentality and had little to do with Hockey. Hockey facilitated the gathering of people which was the catalyst and possibly in some cases put people in the state of mind where they were susceptible to escalation but all it really is is interesting; Nothing remarkable about it as far as riots go.
On June 17 2011 04:23 GolemMadness wrote: Saying "Oh my god Canadians/people from Vancouver/Canucks fans are such a disgrace" is like saying that German people are a disgrace because some German people were Nazis. Stop being retarded.
Only because "some" Nazi's murdered about 2 million jews
lol it never gets old doesn't it?
u do realize that was almost 70 years ago? why are we always the bad guys? a long time ago the north american continent was populated by natives, where are they now? most of them are dead... u know who did it? you people and dont get me started on the church and how many they killed...
so get over it, shit happens
lol, "shit happens"
You funny =)
ok, change that in "shit happens, if we let it happen"
agreed?
I agreed at first, I just thought it was a funny way of saying it =)
On June 17 2011 03:32 CanucksJC wrote: STOP. BRINGING. HOCKEY. INTO. THIS.
Don't post your retarded opinions about how Vancouver hockey fans should be embarrased. I watched this with thousands of other people. Everyone there went home depressed.
The people you see here, are in no way related to hockey. They were just looking for an excuse to destroy the city and the fans are the ones who rallied up to clean this mess up starting this morning.
there are tons of pictures of people decked out Nucks gear. The hell are you talking about???
a lot of people just showed up for chaos like in '94, but there was definitely plenty of canucks fans there.
Wearing a Canucks jersey doesn't make you a Canucks fan.
On June 17 2011 03:32 CanucksJC wrote: STOP. BRINGING. HOCKEY. INTO. THIS.
Don't post your retarded opinions about how Vancouver hockey fans should be embarrased. I watched this with thousands of other people. Everyone there went home depressed.
The people you see here, are in no way related to hockey. They were just looking for an excuse to destroy the city and the fans are the ones who rallied up to clean this mess up starting this morning.
there are tons of pictures of people decked out Nucks gear. The hell are you talking about???
a lot of people just showed up for chaos like in '94, but there was definitely plenty of canucks fans there.
you realize how little difference it makes by wearing a canucks jersey?. only a fraction of nucks fans are doing this, it's just dumbasses looting/people wanting to start shit.
idc if hate on nucks from a hockey standpoint but this doesn't have anything to do with hockey. when shit happens and people start doing stuff with 50000 other people it's a chain reaction.
i know a lot of people who went downtown just to take pictures and they weren't canucks fans. they're just people who want to be involved in this stupid shit
and 80% of the people i know who actually went downtown were just bandwagon fans. they don't care if the canucks are doing bad, or mediocre. that isn't a real fan. 80% of the people who are watching in vancouver are guys who never watch hockey in the regular season let alone 1st 2nd round of the playoffs
ah yes, I too generally spent $100 something dollars to buy a shirt that I completely and totally hate!
while there was plenty of dudes in black who came for the sole purpose of fucking shit up, there were assloads of canucks fans there. I don't see how one can deny that.
define fan
i think of fan as a person who regularly watches the team. through ups and downs, everything. a lot of these people are in downtown for the social aspect and not for the actual hockey game. they like to be pumped and excited. i know people wearing the jersey who don't ever watch hockey.
sure they care about the canucks but they weren't fucking stuff up JUST because they were in grief or mourning over their teams loss. it may seem like it but it's just a bunch of people conforming to the small fraction of people who did shit. alcohol helps too
gofarman is right, hockey was just a catalyst.
i actually think the police could've handled this better. they knew it was going to happen, i fucking knew it going to happen if we lost.
This happened quite a few times recently, here in Montreal. Everytime it was started by dumb anarchist groups, who don't care about hockey at all, and just see this as an opportunity to fuck shit up. They even found facebook groups planning some vandalism, whatever the results the Habs would get in the playoffs. And then, of course, every drunk (or stupid) hockey fan gets influenced in vandalism.
Just a picture from the cleanup scene I wanted to share. Planks of plywood were used to board up some shop windows, this is what has been done. These are the true fans.
I'm surprised this pale little twerp has enough strength to carry the stick. It looks like he's never played a sport or had a physical job in his whole life. Seriously, that's about as undeveloped as a human body can be!
I hate Hockey for reasons like this, the complete lack of sportsmanship. Any sport that allows people to beat each other up once a game, stops being a sport for me. I feel more like it's entertainment at any cost, and fans like these are just taking it too far.
On June 17 2011 05:05 Stijx wrote: I hate Hockey for reasons like this, the complete lack of sportsmanship. Any sport that allows people to beat each other up once a game, stops being a sport for me. I feel more like it's entertainment at any cost, and fans like these are just taking it too far.
People riot over just about any sport under the sun pal. If you think this type of thing is about hockey...you are very very ill informed. Have you never watched soccer before? Fighting isnt allowed in that sport and look how the fucking fans act. They cut up eachothers faces and shit for not liking the same team.
This isnt about sports being fucked up it's about people being fucked up.
On June 17 2011 05:07 nemahsys wrote: I was out and about during the "riots". it really wasnt that bad at all.
Yeah it's every day that riot squads needs to come out, tear gas needs to be deployed, cars (including police vehicles) are toppled over, lit on fire and store fronts are destroyed and looted.
Yep, no excuses for this. I'm also ashamed to be a Canadian. Unbelievable. A good indicator the power institutional sport is allowed. It is often difficult to see the social machinations of sport due to perceptions of what is acceptable as entertainment. I'm truly, truly sad to see this happen on Canadian soil although I hold little value in nationalistic paradigm it feels like a step back in time for our country... Q_Q
On June 17 2011 05:28 Obbeskrutt wrote: This is so crazy. How many people have got hurt so far?
Local hospital officials have confirmed that nearly 150 people needed treatment after the riots, though it is not clear if injured police officers were included in those figures.
Two of the injured parties admitted to hospital had been stabbed, while another male patient suffered head injuries and is now in critical condition.
On June 17 2011 05:12 Roeder wrote: This shit happens in lots of sports. Football too. You can only laugh at those inbred fuckers.
They must have the best life in the whole world, if their reason to tear down a city is because of a hockey game.
Good life much?
So your saying if your country won the world cup there wouldn't be a single riot? I think not.
Please guide me to where I said, that it wouldn't happen here?
Are you trying to protect them?
he misinterperrted your post thinking that rioting for football/soccor was okay and that it hadnt happened where you live, but it was unreasonable for hockey. however how i see your post is that you laugh and dont condone rioting of either sort
Wow i've never witnessed such primitive and retarded behavior from people in a civilized city before.
The clip where the guy is trying to stop the people from trashing a window to a shop and then goes on to get smashed down by a large grp of people who were cheering on the trashers.
This has absolutely nothing to do with the hockey game.
The same thing happened during the G20 summit in Toronto. If there are a lot of people in one location, and a possibility of frustration, there are groups of people that don't give a shit about the event and just go out to create chaos.
These people are despicable and the reason that any of this shit happens. The game itself and the frustration over it has nothing to do with this.
On June 17 2011 06:27 Mailing wrote: Does Canada not have riot police? Where was the tear gas, the fire hoses, the pepper spray, even the night sticks? Even the lead bullets.
There is a difference between stopping a protest and stopping a riot doing building damage.
With people getting attacked for defending their property...
On June 17 2011 06:27 Mailing wrote: Does Canada not have riot police? Where was the tear gas, the fire hoses, the pepper spray, even the night sticks? Even the lead bullets.
There is a difference between stopping a protest and stopping a riot doing building damage.
With people getting attacked for defending their property...
On June 17 2011 06:27 Mailing wrote: Does Canada not have riot police? Where was the tear gas, the fire hoses, the pepper spray, even the night sticks? Even the lead bullets.
There is a difference between stopping a protest and stopping a riot doing building damage.
With people getting attacked for defending their property...
We deal with these things....peacefully lol
I am guessing a lot of these idiot people were drunk, and you cannot deal with drunk people peacefully. You have to beat some sense into them.
On June 17 2011 06:27 Mailing wrote: Does Canada not have riot police? Where was the tear gas, the fire hoses, the pepper spray, even the night sticks? Even the lead bullets.
There is a difference between stopping a protest and stopping a riot doing building damage.
With people getting attacked for defending their property...
That's what I thought because I turned it on like 2.5 hrs after the game and people were still fucking shit up. I'd be pissed as hell if I were an owner of a building and the police basically stared them down for two hours before doing something.
it's even more baffling when everyone knew this shit was gonna happen after the game, win or lose.
On June 17 2011 06:27 Mailing wrote: Does Canada not have riot police? Where was the tear gas, the fire hoses, the pepper spray, even the night sticks? Even the lead bullets.
There is a difference between stopping a protest and stopping a riot doing building damage.
With people getting attacked for defending their property...
the police used ALL of that!. damm drunk kids still would not back down. also, it was thousands of stupid kids, not just a small mob like most riots causing most of the craziness.
i was there o.o we went to get seats 4 hours before game time, we promptly left when we saw the nucks were getting blown out. didn't want to be a part of all the car flipping/burning and looting.
On June 17 2011 06:27 Mailing wrote: Does Canada not have riot police? Where was the tear gas, the fire hoses, the pepper spray, even the night sticks? Even the rubber bullets.
There is a difference between stopping a protest and stopping a riot doing building damage.
With people getting attacked for defending their property...
So this is the third major riot in Vancouver? The 94 riot, 2010 olympics riot and now the 2011 stanley cup riot. Maybe Vancouver is not the peaceful city the inhabitants make it out to be
The sad part of this all, is that about 18 players, give or take a few, on the Boston Bruins are Canadians lol, for some reason thats amusing and yet the people rioting probably don't even realize it.
On June 17 2011 04:42 K_Dilkington wrote: Gotta say... my image of Canada changed a bit.
Come on, over one riot? Do you have to generalize over one riot? Really?
You have riots in Sweden too, give us a chance.
Its not the riot itself. Its the reason why you guys rioted.
Over a fucking game? Two teams play for the sake of competition and the team you like loses and your first thought is, 'fuck, well gotta go break private/public property."
LOL. If I was in charge or the owner of any of these places i'de be shooting in the croud.
This is why im so disgusted by sports like hucky/basketball/football/american football. The fans are so simple minded and power hungry is repulsive.
On June 17 2011 06:27 Mailing wrote: Does Canada not have riot police? Where was the tear gas, the fire hoses, the pepper spray, even the night sticks? Even the lead bullets.
There is a difference between stopping a protest and stopping a riot doing building damage.
With people getting attacked for defending their property...
Of course, and they were out in full force, will all the gear you mentioned (plus policemen on horseback). But all they really did was form lines to marshall the crowd to one direction or another.
The big problem was that there were the real rioters and looters, but hundreds of harmless loiterers and spectators just milling around or documenting the rioting. The cops took a much more patient approach (too patient in my eyes, personally).
On June 17 2011 04:42 K_Dilkington wrote: Gotta say... my image of Canada changed a bit.
Come on, over one riot? Do you have to generalize over one riot? Really?
You have riots in Sweden too, give us a chance.
Its not the riot itself. Its the reason why you guys rioted.
Over a fucking game? Two teams play for the sake of competition and the team you like loses and your first thought is, 'fuck, well gotta go break private/public property."
LOL. If I was in charge or the owner of any of these places i'de be shooting in the croud.
This is why im so disgusted by sports like hucky/basketball/football/american football. The fans are so simple minded and power hungry is repulsive.
Aw c'mon, it's not about the sports. The people doing the actual damage during the riot would've done it anyway, win or lose. They were already armed with fire hydrants and shit before the game. The result of the game has nothing to do with it.
On June 17 2011 07:42 LeLeech wrote: Its not the riot itself. Its the reason why you guys rioted.
Over a fucking game? Two teams play for the sake of competition and the team you like loses and your first thought is, 'fuck, well gotta go break private/public property."
I believe this is a very short sighted comment. If you truely believe that the riot was CAUSED by the loss of a hockey game, you really need to look at the bigger picture. People were aware that there would be a 100 of thousand+ people downtown for the game. Some people decided to bring mask's and weapons with them. They are the minority of the 100 of thousand+ of people that are downtown at the time when this erupts.
The people who came with masks and weapons were going to start a riot no matter which team won! Unfortunately the few have given people like yourself who sit all high and mighty in a land where nothing ever goes wrong an incorrect view on Vancouver.
I truely feel sorry for you that your view of the world is so askew that you honestly believe what you originally typed.
On June 17 2011 07:32 FreddYCooL wrote: So this is the third major riot in Vancouver? The 94 riot, 2010 olympics riot and now the 2011 stanley cup riot. Maybe Vancouver is not the peaceful city the inhabitants make it out to be
wtf are you talking about 2010 olympics riot??, before judging you might wanna educate yourself on the subject. If you knew anything about that you would have known that the 2010 vancouver olympics were one of the greatest moments of vancouver and absolutely no rioting happened. People came from all over and everyone had a great time
On June 17 2011 07:32 FreddYCooL wrote: So this is the third major riot in Vancouver? The 94 riot, 2010 olympics riot and now the 2011 stanley cup riot. Maybe Vancouver is not the peaceful city the inhabitants make it out to be
wtf are you talking about 2010 olympics riot??, before judging you might wanna educate yourself on the subject. If you knew anything about that you would have known that the 2010 vancouver olympics were one of the greatest moments of vancouver and absolutely no rioting happened. People came from all over and everyone had a great time
He probably meant when Axel didn't come!
For some it was like the Olympics! except GnR decided not to show and everyone got sad in the pants.
Either way, everyone loves blowing shit out of proportion
On June 17 2011 04:42 K_Dilkington wrote: Gotta say... my image of Canada changed a bit.
Come on, over one riot? Do you have to generalize over one riot? Really?
You have riots in Sweden too, give us a chance.
Its not the riot itself. Its the reason why you guys rioted.
Over a fucking game? Two teams play for the sake of competition and the team you like loses and your first thought is, 'fuck, well gotta go break private/public property."
LOL. If I was in charge or the owner of any of these places i'de be shooting in the croud.
This is why im so disgusted by sports like hucky/basketball/football/american football. The fans are so simple minded and power hungry is repulsive.
Aw c'mon, it's not about the sports. The people doing the actual damage during the riot would've done it anyway, win or lose. They were already armed with fire hydrants and shit before the game. The result of the game has nothing to do with it.
That makes it even worse. And I agree its not about the sport at all. It's about the fans. And the fans are the ones doing this not the people who participated in a friendly game of hockey.
On June 17 2011 07:32 FreddYCooL wrote: So this is the third major riot in Vancouver? The 94 riot, 2010 olympics riot and now the 2011 stanley cup riot. Maybe Vancouver is not the peaceful city the inhabitants make it out to be
It may appear that way to some because people like you draw conclusions when you have no idea what you're talking about.
On June 17 2011 04:42 K_Dilkington wrote: Gotta say... my image of Canada changed a bit.
Come on, over one riot? Do you have to generalize over one riot? Really?
You have riots in Sweden too, give us a chance.
Its not the riot itself. Its the reason why you guys rioted.
Over a fucking game? Two teams play for the sake of competition and the team you like loses and your first thought is, 'fuck, well gotta go break private/public property."
LOL. If I was in charge or the owner of any of these places i'de be shooting in the croud.
This is why im so disgusted by sports like hucky/basketball/football/american football. The fans are so simple minded and power hungry is repulsive.
Aw c'mon, it's not about the sports. The people doing the actual damage during the riot would've done it anyway, win or lose. They were already armed with fire hydrants and shit before the game. The result of the game has nothing to do with it.
That makes it even worse. And I agree its not about the sport at all. It's about the fans. And the fans are the ones doing this not the people who participated in a friendly game of hockey.
funny how you respond to something thinking that you know what hes talking about when you ARE the type of person hes talking to. Its a bunch of anarchists looking for an excuse to destroy things and they would have win or lose and then a lot of super drunk people not being able to handle the craziness. I still laugh that people think fans are ever the start of violent sports riots
On June 17 2011 04:42 K_Dilkington wrote: Gotta say... my image of Canada changed a bit.
Come on, over one riot? Do you have to generalize over one riot? Really?
You have riots in Sweden too, give us a chance.
Its not the riot itself. Its the reason why you guys rioted.
Over a fucking game? Two teams play for the sake of competition and the team you like loses and your first thought is, 'fuck, well gotta go break private/public property."
LOL. If I was in charge or the owner of any of these places i'de be shooting in the croud.
This is why im so disgusted by sports like hucky/basketball/football/american football. The fans are so simple minded and power hungry is repulsive.
This whole post makes you sound incredibly stupid and ignorant. No offense intended, but that's how it seems.
The rioters obviously weren't real fans as its been shown in every news story. Many of these people are just anarchists who were waiting for a big event like this to riot. Maybe 1% of the rioters were actual fans. The rest were people just looking for an excuse to do something stupid. So please don't try and group real fans with those people.
Also if you were shooting the crowd you would be worse than the rioters themselves. You criticize them and then stoop to a level even lower than them? It doesn't make sense.
This is really strange to me... Boston riots are all about cars. We flip them. We burn them. We break them. We jump on them. If you want to find the rioters, just follow the trail of destroyed cars.
On June 17 2011 04:42 K_Dilkington wrote: Gotta say... my image of Canada changed a bit.
Come on, over one riot? Do you have to generalize over one riot? Really?
You have riots in Sweden too, give us a chance.
Its not the riot itself. Its the reason why you guys rioted.
Over a fucking game? Two teams play for the sake of competition and the team you like loses and your first thought is, 'fuck, well gotta go break private/public property."
LOL. If I was in charge or the owner of any of these places i'de be shooting in the croud.
This is why im so disgusted by sports like hockey/basketball/football/american football. The fans are so simple minded and power hungry is repulsive.
This whole post makes you sound incredibly stupid and ignorant. No offense intended, but that's how it seems.
The rioters obviously weren't real fans as its been shown in every news story. Many of these people are just anarchists who were waiting for a big event like this to riot. Maybe 1% of the rioters were actual fans. The rest were people just looking for an excuse to do something stupid. So please don't try and group real fans with those people.
Also if you were shooting the crowd you would be worse than the rioters themselves. You criticize them and then stoop to a level even lower than them? It doesn't make sense.
Ignorant in what way? In Texas if you step on private property the owner has the right to shoot. All of the state legislator in Texas cant be ignorant i'm sure of it.
And how does pulling statistics from the air make you any less ignorant than I?
Look at any of the videos on youtube they were sporting jerseys of the team. All the news reports also say "Fans" not "Anarchist."
Please don't trow around the ignorant card so loosely when your post was so half-assed.
On June 17 2011 04:42 K_Dilkington wrote: Gotta say... my image of Canada changed a bit.
Come on, over one riot? Do you have to generalize over one riot? Really?
You have riots in Sweden too, give us a chance.
Its not the riot itself. Its the reason why you guys rioted.
Over a fucking game? Two teams play for the sake of competition and the team you like loses and your first thought is, 'fuck, well gotta go break private/public property."
LOL. If I was in charge or the owner of any of these places i'de be shooting in the croud.
This is why im so disgusted by sports like hockey/basketball/football/american football. The fans are so simple minded and power hungry is repulsive.
This whole post makes you sound incredibly stupid and ignorant. No offense intended, but that's how it seems.
The rioters obviously weren't real fans as its been shown in every news story. Many of these people are just anarchists who were waiting for a big event like this to riot. Maybe 1% of the rioters were actual fans. The rest were people just looking for an excuse to do something stupid. So please don't try and group real fans with those people.
Also if you were shooting the crowd you would be worse than the rioters themselves. You criticize them and then stoop to a level even lower than them? It doesn't make sense.
Ignorant in what way? In Texas if you step on private property the owner has the right to shoot. All of the state legislator in Texas cant be ignorant i'm sure of it.
And how does pulling statistics from the air make you any less ignorant than I?
Look at any of the videos on youtube they were sporting jerseys of the team. All the news reports also say "Fans" not "Anarchist."
Please don't trow around the ignorant card so loosely when your post was so half-assed.
i hear Texas and News reports are great places to find intelligence and non-biasness /sarcasm
sorry if that sounds a little offensive to Texans and i dont mean anything by it, its just what he said was so blatantly trollish that im still not sure how to respond to it WITHOUT being offensive
On June 17 2011 04:42 K_Dilkington wrote: Gotta say... my image of Canada changed a bit.
Come on, over one riot? Do you have to generalize over one riot? Really?
You have riots in Sweden too, give us a chance.
Its not the riot itself. Its the reason why you guys rioted.
Over a fucking game? Two teams play for the sake of competition and the team you like loses and your first thought is, 'fuck, well gotta go break private/public property."
LOL. If I was in charge or the owner of any of these places i'de be shooting in the croud.
This is why im so disgusted by sports like hockey/basketball/football/american football. The fans are so simple minded and power hungry is repulsive.
This whole post makes you sound incredibly stupid and ignorant. No offense intended, but that's how it seems.
The rioters obviously weren't real fans as its been shown in every news story. Many of these people are just anarchists who were waiting for a big event like this to riot. Maybe 1% of the rioters were actual fans. The rest were people just looking for an excuse to do something stupid. So please don't try and group real fans with those people.
Also if you were shooting the crowd you would be worse than the rioters themselves. You criticize them and then stoop to a level even lower than them? It doesn't make sense.
Ignorant in what way? In Texas if you step on private property the owner has the right to shoot. All of the state legislator in Texas cant be ignorant i'm sure of it.
And how does pulling statistics from the air make you any less ignorant than I?
Look at any of the videos on youtube they were sporting jerseys of the team. All the news reports also say "Fans" not "Anarchist."
Please don't trow around the ignorant card so loosely when your post was so half-assed.
i hear Texas and News reports are great places to find intelligence and non-biasness /sarcasm
sorry if that sounds a little offensive to Texans and i dont mean anything by it, its just what he said was so blatantly trollish that im still not sure how to respond to it WITHOUT being offensive
The rioters obviously weren't real fans as its been shown in every news story.
Jesus fucking Christ im just responding to the post. Way to completely ignore it. Now you trow around the troll card when it seems like you are the one who is the troll, reading one comment and making up your mind.
On June 17 2011 04:42 K_Dilkington wrote: Gotta say... my image of Canada changed a bit.
Come on, over one riot? Do you have to generalize over one riot? Really?
You have riots in Sweden too, give us a chance.
Its not the riot itself. Its the reason why you guys rioted.
Over a fucking game? Two teams play for the sake of competition and the team you like loses and your first thought is, 'fuck, well gotta go break private/public property."
LOL. If I was in charge or the owner of any of these places i'de be shooting in the croud.
This is why im so disgusted by sports like hockey/basketball/football/american football. The fans are so simple minded and power hungry is repulsive.
This whole post makes you sound incredibly stupid and ignorant. No offense intended, but that's how it seems.
The rioters obviously weren't real fans as its been shown in every news story. Many of these people are just anarchists who were waiting for a big event like this to riot. Maybe 1% of the rioters were actual fans. The rest were people just looking for an excuse to do something stupid. So please don't try and group real fans with those people.
Also if you were shooting the crowd you would be worse than the rioters themselves. You criticize them and then stoop to a level even lower than them? It doesn't make sense.
Ignorant in what way? In Texas if you step on private property the owner has the right to shoot. All of the state legislator in Texas cant be ignorant i'm sure of it.
And how does pulling statistics from the air make you any less ignorant than I?
Look at any of the videos on youtube they were sporting jerseys of the team. All the news reports also say "Fans" not "Anarchist."
Please don't trow around the ignorant card so loosely when your post was so half-assed.
Just wearing a team sweater doesn't make you a true fan. Do you think actual hockey fans were the ones who prepared molotov cocktails before the game even began?
On June 17 2011 04:42 K_Dilkington wrote: Gotta say... my image of Canada changed a bit.
Come on, over one riot? Do you have to generalize over one riot? Really?
You have riots in Sweden too, give us a chance.
Its not the riot itself. Its the reason why you guys rioted.
Over a fucking game? Two teams play for the sake of competition and the team you like loses and your first thought is, 'fuck, well gotta go break private/public property."
LOL. If I was in charge or the owner of any of these places i'de be shooting in the croud.
This is why im so disgusted by sports like hucky/basketball/football/american football. The fans are so simple minded and power hungry is repulsive.
This whole post makes you sound incredibly stupid and ignorant. No offense intended, but that's how it seems.
The rioters obviously weren't real fans as its been shown in every news story. Many of these people are just anarchists who were waiting for a big event like this to riot. Maybe 1% of the rioters were actual fans. The rest were people just looking for an excuse to do something stupid. So please don't try and group real fans with those people.
Also if you were shooting the crowd you would be worse than the rioters themselves. You criticize them and then stoop to a level even lower than them? It doesn't make sense.
Really, ignorant? Pulling percentages from a hat.. Oh man the irony
On June 17 2011 04:42 K_Dilkington wrote: Gotta say... my image of Canada changed a bit.
Come on, over one riot? Do you have to generalize over one riot? Really?
You have riots in Sweden too, give us a chance.
Its not the riot itself. Its the reason why you guys rioted.
Over a fucking game? Two teams play for the sake of competition and the team you like loses and your first thought is, 'fuck, well gotta go break private/public property."
LOL. If I was in charge or the owner of any of these places i'de be shooting in the croud.
This is why im so disgusted by sports like hockey/basketball/football/american football. The fans are so simple minded and power hungry is repulsive.
This whole post makes you sound incredibly stupid and ignorant. No offense intended, but that's how it seems.
The rioters obviously weren't real fans as its been shown in every news story. Many of these people are just anarchists who were waiting for a big event like this to riot. Maybe 1% of the rioters were actual fans. The rest were people just looking for an excuse to do something stupid. So please don't try and group real fans with those people.
Also if you were shooting the crowd you would be worse than the rioters themselves. You criticize them and then stoop to a level even lower than them? It doesn't make sense.
Ignorant in what way? In Texas if you step on private property the owner has the right to shoot. All of the state legislator in Texas cant be ignorant i'm sure of it.
And how does pulling statistics from the air make you any less ignorant than I?
Look at any of the videos on youtube they were sporting jerseys of the team. All the news reports also say "Fans" not "Anarchist."
Please don't trow around the ignorant card so loosely when your post was so half-assed.
Just wearing a team sweater doesn't make you a true fan. Do you think actual hockey fans were the ones who prepared molotov cocktails before the game even began?
Fan or True fan is irrelevant. Maybe the fans in the riots believe you arnt a true fan because you took the loss so passively? Is that what you are really here to argue? "These guys arnt true fans becuase I am a true fan! And I would never do something so idiotic!"
Hockey team loses game. Immediately after people (fans) dressed in their attire start destroying property. How in there do you make the connection that they arnt 'true fans.'
Kind of shameful for Canada, BC and Vancouver. They spend millions on tourism and the city gets a bad name world wide because some ignorant drunks decided to start a riot. Out of all things, a riot over hockey, come on.. Disgusting.
Personal Story I went to six of the final seven games, missed game 3. This game was by far the most packed, in all the other games there was no rioting or hooligans. When I first got there at 5:00 they had sealed off the inner city so no one could get in. People were leaving but the security guards wouldn't let anyone enter. After roaming around I found an entrance with no security guards (??) to check my backpack. Then I got in!! About 5 minutes into the game. From there it was super packed! You felt like you were in a river and had to ride the current in order to move. By the end, I was literally 20 feet to the right of the car in the opening post (2nd picture and last picture on page 1). There were so many people there it was crazy. Like I had trouble breathing because I was too close to the people around me and the body heat of everyone was suffocating. By the start of the second period I had some room, I could stretch my arms and spread my feet apart (finally!). It was pretty much a mosh pit for the first 20 minutes of the game, with no one jumping.
Some scary moments: 1) Guy pushing people around him got threatened and shoved by like 6 people. 2) full bottles of pop (750mL) being thrown into the crowd in the 1st period 3) People pelting fans in trees with garbage/bottles 4) Other debris being thrown 5) Pot smokers (gross!) 6) People threatening Boston fans at Roger arena "I will kill that b****", "Thomas' kids and wife are dead", add your own expletives 7) People mentioning that they will riot, regardless of outcome and that they were there to cause trouble. 8) At the end of the game people throwing (some glass) bottles at the tv and disrupting the image (georgia street) 9) People jumping on the car (vw golf) then flipping it over (same one as in 2nd picture on opening page and last picture on opening page). I left after that.
Thoughts: I in no way believe that Canuck fans were cause of the riot. I believe it was people who went to the streets to cause trouble whether we one or lost. They just wanted to create mayhem and see how much crap they can get away with. Jumping on Police cars, lighting police cars, looting, etc. Lots of mob mentality and that is a catalyst for more people to get into it. Disappointed!
How it could be handled better. 1) No cars in the downtown core. Why was there a golf on Georgia and Hamilton street? All cars should be towed by 10:00am. 2) There needed to be more police, 200 was not enough. (500?) 3) Stores should have purchased metal bars or some other deterrent to stop people from getting in to their stores 4) Water cannons!! With dye. 5) Some annoucements after the game that everyone needs to clear out in one hour. Then after that hour, police will come in force with water cannons(!!), dogs, flashbangs, smoke grenades (forget the exact name, the ones that make your eyes sting), shields, etc 5a) I am not sure what they would have done if the Canucks won because then everyone (innocent included) would have headed to Granville Street 6) More big tv screens so people had more room at each screen (not so crowded)
Changes for next time: No tvs or people allowed in downtown at all. Seems sad because it was a great experience (except for game 7 because it was too full). But fool me once (1994) shame on you, fool me twice (2011) shame on Vancouver.
Hope: Today there were hundreds of volunteers in Vancouver helping clean up the streets. My friend on facebook just posted some really cool pictures. Those people are what I think about when I think about how awesome the Vancouver is. Not the scum who who in their narcissism did whatever they wanted with little or no regard for others. Those people have no self-control.
On June 17 2011 04:42 K_Dilkington wrote: Gotta say... my image of Canada changed a bit.
Come on, over one riot? Do you have to generalize over one riot? Really?
You have riots in Sweden too, give us a chance.
Its not the riot itself. Its the reason why you guys rioted.
Over a fucking game? Two teams play for the sake of competition and the team you like loses and your first thought is, 'fuck, well gotta go break private/public property."
LOL. If I was in charge or the owner of any of these places i'de be shooting in the croud.
This is why im so disgusted by sports like hockey/basketball/football/american football. The fans are so simple minded and power hungry is repulsive.
This whole post makes you sound incredibly stupid and ignorant. No offense intended, but that's how it seems.
The rioters obviously weren't real fans as its been shown in every news story. Many of these people are just anarchists who were waiting for a big event like this to riot. Maybe 1% of the rioters were actual fans. The rest were people just looking for an excuse to do something stupid. So please don't try and group real fans with those people.
Also if you were shooting the crowd you would be worse than the rioters themselves. You criticize them and then stoop to a level even lower than them? It doesn't make sense.
Ignorant in what way? In Texas if you step on private property the owner has the right to shoot. All of the state legislator in Texas cant be ignorant i'm sure of it.
And how does pulling statistics from the air make you any less ignorant than I?
Look at any of the videos on youtube they were sporting jerseys of the team. All the news reports also say "Fans" not "Anarchist."
Please don't trow around the ignorant card so loosely when your post was so half-assed.
Just wearing a team sweater doesn't make you a true fan. Do you think actual hockey fans were the ones who prepared molotov cocktails before the game even began?
Fan or True fan is irrelevant. Maybe the fans in the riots believe you arnt a true fan because you took the loss so passively? Is that what you are really here to argue? "These guys arnt true fans becuase I am a true fan! And I would never do something so idiotic!"
Hockey team loses game. Immediately after people (fans) dressed in their attire start destroying property. How in there do you make the connection that they arnt 'true fans.'
Ya ya post hoc ergo proctor hoc etcetc.
I watched every single Canucks playoff game this year and last. I've supported them for my whole life. I would consider myself a true fan. How do those people who rioted fall under the category of 'fan'? They decided to start a riot no matter who won and came solely to destroy things. You are just broadening the meaning of the word to fit your own conclusions.
On June 17 2011 04:42 K_Dilkington wrote: Gotta say... my image of Canada changed a bit.
Come on, over one riot? Do you have to generalize over one riot? Really?
You have riots in Sweden too, give us a chance.
Its not the riot itself. Its the reason why you guys rioted.
Over a fucking game? Two teams play for the sake of competition and the team you like loses and your first thought is, 'fuck, well gotta go break private/public property."
LOL. If I was in charge or the owner of any of these places i'de be shooting in the croud.
This is why im so disgusted by sports like hockey/basketball/football/american football. The fans are so simple minded and power hungry is repulsive.
This whole post makes you sound incredibly stupid and ignorant. No offense intended, but that's how it seems.
The rioters obviously weren't real fans as its been shown in every news story. Many of these people are just anarchists who were waiting for a big event like this to riot. Maybe 1% of the rioters were actual fans. The rest were people just looking for an excuse to do something stupid. So please don't try and group real fans with those people.
Also if you were shooting the crowd you would be worse than the rioters themselves. You criticize them and then stoop to a level even lower than them? It doesn't make sense.
Ignorant in what way? In Texas if you step on private property the owner has the right to shoot. All of the state legislator in Texas cant be ignorant i'm sure of it.
And how does pulling statistics from the air make you any less ignorant than I?
Look at any of the videos on youtube they were sporting jerseys of the team. All the news reports also say "Fans" not "Anarchist."
Please don't trow around the ignorant card so loosely when your post was so half-assed.
Just wearing a team sweater doesn't make you a true fan. Do you think actual hockey fans were the ones who prepared molotov cocktails before the game even began?
Fan or True fan is irrelevant. Maybe the fans in the riots believe you arnt a true fan because you took the loss so passively? Is that what you are really here to argue? "These guys arnt true fans becuase I am a true fan! And I would never do something so idiotic!"
Hockey team loses game. Immediately after people (fans) dressed in their attire start destroying property. How in there do you make the connection that they arnt 'true fans.'
Ya ya post hoc ergo proctor hoc etcetc.
I watched every single Canucks playoff game this year and last. I've supported them for my whole life. I would consider myself a true fan. How do those people who rioted fall under the category of 'fan'? They decided to start a riot no matter who won and came solely to destroy things. You are just broadening the meaning of the word to fit your own conclusions.
The word is so broad in its own definition. It has a subjective meaning and is subject to change in of its self for every individual.
So fine they arnt Canucks fan then they are hockey fans. That was my original point anyways.
[QUOTE]On June 17 2011 08:35 Sharkey wrote: What a travesty!!
Some scary moments: 1) Guy pushing people around him got threatened and shoved by like 6 people. 2) full bottles of pop (750mL) being thrown into the crowd in the 1st period 3) People pelting fans in trees with garbage/bottles 4) Other debris being thrown 5) Pot smokers (gross!) 6) People threatening Boston fans at Roger arena "I will kill that b****", "Thomas' kids and wife are dead", add your own expletives 7) People mentioning that they will riot, regardless of outcome and that they were there to cause trouble. 8) At the end of the game people throwing (some glass) bottles at the tv and disrupting the image (georgia street) 9) People jumping on the car (vw golf) then flipping it over (same one as in 2nd picture on opening page and last picture on opening page). I left after that.
How are pot smokers scarier then people threatening to kill Tim Thomas and his family?
This is crazy. I was in Vancouver last Summer visiting family and it was an absolutely gorgeous city. It's a shame to see this happen. Why trash your beautiful town?!
Isn't there a bit of unrest in Canada due to their whole political shenanigans? I can easily see a small group of people doing something dumb, and it just ballooning out of control.
I got stuck in the middle of a riot in Barcelona, when Barcelona won the treble last summer... Riot started when cops showed up in riot gear and were just standing around, and with that many people around, its very easy for 1 person to do something stupid(in this case it was throwing bicicles at cops), then everything hitting the fan, as the riot cops started moving in from severaldirections and people paniced.
The riot turned out about how I thought it would. I stayed up late last night watching all the awesome footage. Wish I could of been down there to get a better view of all the action.
What surprises me so much is that people didn't think this would happen. A riot was so damn easy to predict, I would of been shocked if one didn't happen. The fucking police are so damn incompetent it is embarrassing. The police chief admitted he didn't think a riot would happen. How could he be that stupid?
It's sad. People riot and fight for their rights in order to have a better life. These lowlives riot because their team lost a hockey game. I think every Vancouver rioter should swap lives with a Libyan... See what it really means to fight for something, not something as meaningless as a hockey game.
On June 16 2011 23:21 Mykill wrote: Reasons to have a riot around the world.
Greeks - Your government is broke and can't fix itself. Egypt - Prime minister is terrible and people are being sent into forced disappearance WWII style Libya - Your leader is killing civilians Canada - We lost the Stanley cup.
I witnessed only one major riot in my country and it also had a political/economical background. But I guess those are the joys of living on a rich country; you destroy things that you may end up paying with your own taxes just because of the most banal thing you can imagine. And don't play the passion card on me, my country is also very "passionate", but in cases like this you normally see the stadium and adjacents getting damaged, not people rampaging over the whole city.
Also, there is one thing that surprises me. Don't they have laws, judges, jails and stuff in Canada? Because I saw a lot of people with the face uncovered and nonchalantly posing for cameras. Even if drunk you have to be incredibly stupid to do that.
What country do you live in? Do I have to remind you what happened when Nueva Chicago was demoted to the B league last time?
I see Mauro Martin with his face uncovered every time I go to the stadium, and he has done worst things than burn a couple of cars and break some windows so please stop making ridiculous and untrue statements.
A battle royal between factions that do as they want with the approval and support of the police and politicians sure is the same thing as this, right? That's why I used the word normally, to equate things. If you want me to post the differences I'll gladly do.
I saw pictures of Hitler with face uncovered; your point? Martin is "smart" enough to have contacts that protect his ass and I don't think those random canadian do, therefore, they are stupid and my statement is true.
Bostero tenías que ser.
It is ridiculous that you are trying to argue that Argentina is more civilized than Canada, but still:
1. There was no "Battle Royal" between factions. It was the Chicago supporters versus the police, which spilled out of the stadium onto the streets to the point of completely blockading the main transit highway in Buenos Aires. One person died who was not part of the fight/disturbances. Clearly a lot more serious than what happened in Canada where nobody died. Inform yourself before you continue to misinform.
2. Mauro Martin, as well as Di Zeo, are known criminals who have/had warrants for their arrest. They still go to the stadium unhindered. This is clearly a lot more serious than some canadian vandals showing their faces in public´
I will derail this conversation no further, I hope you see how stupid your argument is, that Canadians are more uncivilized than Argentines, lol.
Shouldn't have called it battle royal, true. It was more like a hunting of Tigre fans. Still, this is a mayhem on the downtown and Mataderos is not ours. And the dead guy (hited by stones) argument is pretty lame considering they even have stabbed people here. Totally worst event because someone missed by 2 inches, yes. Let's ignore the rest of the damage.
I talked about them being stupid for not cover their faces while comiting a crime and you brought a measure of the gravity of their acts. You derailed this on your own.
Keep being a delusional worshiper of other countries. We are a shithole and the rest of the world is ranboiws and cookies, sure.
On June 17 2011 08:35 Sharkey wrote: What a travesty!!
Some scary moments: 1) Guy pushing people around him got threatened and shoved by like 6 people. 2) full bottles of pop (750mL) being thrown into the crowd in the 1st period 3) People pelting fans in trees with garbage/bottles 4) Other debris being thrown 5) Pot smokers (gross!) 6) People threatening Boston fans at Roger arena "I will kill that b****", "Thomas' kids and wife are dead", add your own expletives 7) People mentioning that they will riot, regardless of outcome and that they were there to cause trouble. 8) At the end of the game people throwing (some glass) bottles at the tv and disrupting the image (georgia street) 9) People jumping on the car (vw golf) then flipping it over (same one as in 2nd picture on opening page and last picture on opening page). I left after that.
How are pot smokers scarier then people threatening to kill Tim Thomas and his family?
Sorry for the confusion. The number system I used in no way reflects the importance (ie. 1 is not higher priority or scarier than 2), it is purely nominal. I just really hate the smell of pot and it lessened my experience. I know many others may feel the exact opposite, but whatever.
Edit:
On June 17 2011 09:07 Stipulation wrote: Of the events that I've discovered through TL this has managed to disturb me the most.
Really? For me it was the Tsunami in Southeast Asia. There was a picture of hundreds of bodies floating in the water face down. That was awful, I haven't looked at the picture since then but it I can still visualize it. The riot was bad and scary (I watched the game in downtown) but for me seeing people die is always worse then idiots making fools of themselves.
This is depressing. Canada (especially Western CA) is one of the nicer places in the world, and now they pull a stunt like this? Must have been all those unwashed southerners hopping the border for the game :p
Let's all remember the Canadian National Anthem, and sing it now in hopes for a better tomorrow.
O Canada! Our home and native land! True patriot love in all thy sons command. With glowing hearts we see thee rise, The True North strong and free! From far and wide, O Canada, we stand on guard for thee. God keep our land glorious and free! O Canada, we stand on guard for thee. O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
On June 17 2011 09:13 bahl sofs tiil wrote: Wanting to riot and being a Canucks fan are not mutually exclusive.
Sports and rioting go together, Hell LA will riot when the lakers loses it will also riot when they win except it will be called a party but cars will still be overturned and burned.
On June 17 2011 09:07 EnderCraft wrote: It's sad. People riot and fight for their rights in order to have a better life. These lowlives riot because their team lost a hockey game. I think every Vancouver rioter should swap lives with a Libyan... See what it really means to fight for something, not something as meaningless as a hockey game.
For the record, hockey is my favorite sport.
I don't think you understand how culturally important that hockey is in Canada. It's been almost 20 years since the Stanley Cup has been won by a Canadian team. Plus the Canucks kinda have a reputation for choking.
On June 17 2011 09:07 EnderCraft wrote: It's sad. People riot and fight for their rights in order to have a better life. These lowlives riot because their team lost a hockey game. I think every Vancouver rioter should swap lives with a Libyan... See what it really means to fight for something, not something as meaningless as a hockey game.
For the record, hockey is my favorite sport.
I don't think you understand how culturally important that hockey is in Canada. It's been almost 20 years since the Stanley Cup has been won by a Canadian team. Plus the Canucks kinda have a reputation for choking.
As compared to how culturally suppressed other countries are LOL. I'm talking about the shit that matters. Life. Hockey as much as we love it, doesn't have any effect on any part of our immediate lives what so ever.
People in the middle east on the other hand riot for a reason. Not to just take advantage of a situation to go out and break laws just because they can. It's stupid, and it should never happen.
Your team lost, tough shit. So did mine
Edit: It frankly makes me ashamed to be a human being that we riot over dumb crap like this, while people are slaughtered in the streets just because they have a different view then their respective governments. At the end of the day, does it really matter? People need to learn to grow up. We don't know what it's like to have to live in fear constantly... It's down right ignorant.
On June 17 2011 04:42 K_Dilkington wrote: Gotta say... my image of Canada changed a bit.
Come on, over one riot? Do you have to generalize over one riot? Really?
You have riots in Sweden too, give us a chance.
Its not the riot itself. Its the reason why you guys rioted.
Over a fucking game? Two teams play for the sake of competition and the team you like loses and your first thought is, 'fuck, well gotta go break private/public property."
LOL. If I was in charge or the owner of any of these places i'de be shooting in the croud.
This is why im so disgusted by sports like hockey/basketball/football/american football. The fans are so simple minded and power hungry is repulsive.
This whole post makes you sound incredibly stupid and ignorant. No offense intended, but that's how it seems.
The rioters obviously weren't real fans as its been shown in every news story. Many of these people are just anarchists who were waiting for a big event like this to riot. Maybe 1% of the rioters were actual fans. The rest were people just looking for an excuse to do something stupid. So please don't try and group real fans with those people.
Also if you were shooting the crowd you would be worse than the rioters themselves. You criticize them and then stoop to a level even lower than them? It doesn't make sense.
Ignorant in what way? In Texas if you step on private property the owner has the right to shoot. All of the state legislator in Texas cant be ignorant i'm sure of it.
And how does pulling statistics from the air make you any less ignorant than I?
Look at any of the videos on youtube they were sporting jerseys of the team. All the news reports also say "Fans" not "Anarchist."
Please don't trow around the ignorant card so loosely when your post was so half-assed.
Just wearing a team sweater doesn't make you a true fan. Do you think actual hockey fans were the ones who prepared molotov cocktails before the game even began?
Fan or True fan is irrelevant. Maybe the fans in the riots believe you arnt a true fan because you took the loss so passively? Is that what you are really here to argue? "These guys arnt true fans becuase I am a true fan! And I would never do something so idiotic!"
Hockey team loses game. Immediately after people (fans) dressed in their attire start destroying property. How in there do you make the connection that they arnt 'true fans.'
Ya ya post hoc ergo proctor hoc etcetc.
"VPD chief Jim Chu said that instigators appeared to be some of the same individuals involved in a protest on the opening day of the 2010 Winter Olympics, and that they came equipped with eye protection, gasoline and other tools. He called them "criminals and anarchists" who disguised themselves as fans."
Also people like you should be banned because you're obviously just trying to start arguments.
On June 17 2011 09:59 mikeymoo wrote: wtf -_- I'm on vacation telling people what a great place Canada is. Now I'm embarrassed to tell them I'm Canadian.
Don't be embarrassed man! That was just a small portion of 19/20 yr old misfits who are going nowhere in life!
11,000ish people showed up this morning to help city officials clean up the streets. NOW THATS MY BC! :D
I'm going to ask a really stupid question, but what exactly are they rioting? Usually there are reasons for riots but I just don't see one in this case...
On June 17 2011 10:31 freeloader625 wrote: I'm going to ask a really stupid question, but what exactly are they rioting? Usually there are reasons for riots but I just don't see one in this case...
No reasons, just a bunch of arrogant persons who just want to destroy their own city...
On June 17 2011 10:35 Kojak21 wrote: Cause the canucks lost is the excuse, but no real reason
That was my point
Edit: It's great to see so many volunteers in the aftermath though. Still, this was something that shouldn't have happened. May the police catch those responsible in a swift manner.
On June 17 2011 11:51 Mykill wrote: Good for the city to clean itself up! who's that moron Anton Brock lol... sounds like a massive troll. nobody's that stupid
On June 17 2011 11:13 Snausages wrote: "OUR TEAM LOST THE FINAL, SO WE'RE GONNA TEAR UP OUR OWN CITY TO SHOW HOW PISSED OFF WE ARE AT BOSTON! FUCK YOU"
It is fucking embarrassing that three retards with skateboards can do that and 50 people stand there like dumb sheep watching it. I applaud that guy, but it should have been the whole crowd turning on those jerks.
It's sad and pathetic to see this. If they are pissed they should be pissed at the soft team that rolled over and died. The bruins were full measure for the win. The goal dif is so high it's disgusting. For people who say that it is ok because canadiens care that much about hockey: you are just wrong. I'm from Vancouver and until this point I've never had a reason to think that it is not the most amazing city in the world. This was Almost as pathetic as the lack of heart from the Canucks during the games.
On June 17 2011 12:08 CoachMcGuirk wrote: It's sad and pathetic to see this. If they are pissed they should be pissed at the soft team that rolled over and died. The bruins were full measure for the win. The goal dif is so high it's disgusting. For people who say that it is ok because canadiens care that much about hockey: you are just wrong. I'm from Vancouver and until this point I've never had a reason to think that it is not the most amazing city in the world. This was Almost as pathetic as the lack of heart from the Canucks during the games.
you're from Vancouver and yet you live in the United States? You are from Canada and you don't know how to spell Canadian? wtf? are you french?
What a despicable display from the city of Vancouver. As a long time Canucks fan I can say I'm deeply embarrassed just to have cheered for a team whose city acts like this. It's unfortunate what happened and I know a lot of us Canuck fans are pretty upset about it, hopefully we can right the ship.
On June 17 2011 13:27 DeepElemBlues wrote: Sometimes even the super-nice Canadians just get mad as hell and they aren't gonna take it anymore!
i'm beginning to realize we're pretty much just like americans with some exceptions
Whoa whoa whoa. Lets not lump US with Canada. Feels like an insult son damn. We are the bad ass' of the world thank you very much. Canada can be 2nd. But we are a different level of crazy.
What's with the makeout session? I mean, I don't blame the guy, but I imagine it'd be difficult to get some alone time in the center of a riot. But yeah, it's just hockey. I'm surprised Miami didn't riot after Lebron choked in the finals (he really did choke. 8 point in a pivotal game 3, just garbage.)
I was in the riot observing stuff, saw a ton of fires in trashcans, one guy that was super bloody for some reason, a ton of idiots breaking everything they could find (gg what are you going to loot from budget brake and muffler? A free check up or something) and basically I hope people send their pictures to the RCMP if they got some good ones of peoples faces.
Basically it was definitely a bunch of stupid anarachists that were planning on doing that no matter what the result was. They brought lighters gas rags etc so they could cause damage and impressionable idiots decided to go with it. Its one of the reasons I was happy to get a reservation with me and my friends at a restaurant
The RCMP from what I could tell handled it well, they were controlling the crowds e Zz and effectively surrounding it from all sides. Yes it sucks that stores got broken into but at least no one was killed (afaik?). Honestly I don't even like the cops in vancouver but that was an impressive display from my perspective.
Also the next day I was in downtown again and people were cleaning everything up and signing boards that covered the broken windows apologizing to businesses / boston fans etc etc etc
dispersed tear gas is a great way to get sober btw haha
On June 17 2011 11:13 Snausages wrote: "OUR TEAM LOST THE FINAL, SO WE'RE GONNA TEAR UP OUR OWN CITY TO SHOW HOW PISSED OFF WE ARE AT BOSTON! FUCK YOU"
It is fucking embarrassing that three retards with skateboards can do that and 50 people stand there like dumb sheep watching it. I applaud that guy, but it should have been the whole crowd turning on those jerks.
God, I really hate people so much. What is the fucking point of acting this way? What's fun about it, too? Such a waste of precious air those fucks are. I really hope the guys in the video will face some kind of charges. It's nice to see that people found out the name (and job) of one of the idiots in the video, I sincerely hope he gets fired on his ass.
They should get those 3 skater dicks in the last video, round them up, and beat them half to death with a skateboard. Props to that guy stopping them. I actually think that the police handle these situations too liberally. They should go in and beat these retards half to death.
As for the guy earlier in the thread that is saying that people are getting mad for nothing cause insurance will pay for everything and we should just enjoy the show, please leave our country. If you think that is in any way the case, and you think that line of reasoning is sane, do us a favour and just go away, cause people like you are the reason shit like this happens. What about those families, who lost their vehicles, and cant drive anywhere? What if they have kids to take to school? They now need to get a rental car, then they need to go through weeks of insurance bs to get a family car back. What about those shop owners whos places were destroyed. Itll take weeks to fix their shops. They lose business being closed. Why? All so you can "enjoy the show". Youre an asshole.
On June 17 2011 15:39 jeeeeohn wrote: What's with the makeout session? I mean, I don't blame the guy, but I imagine it'd be difficult to get some alone time in the center of a riot. But yeah, it's just hockey. I'm surprised Miami didn't riot after Lebron choked in the finals (he really did choke. 8 point in a pivotal game 3, just garbage.)
On June 17 2011 11:13 Snausages wrote: "OUR TEAM LOST THE FINAL, SO WE'RE GONNA TEAR UP OUR OWN CITY TO SHOW HOW PISSED OFF WE ARE AT BOSTON! FUCK YOU"
I applaud this guy for realizing how dumb this is + Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWLqLeRv5sw
The guy was fucking drunk and even he realized how dumb the riot is.
On June 17 2011 16:01 Focuspants wrote: They should get those 3 skater dicks in the last video, round them up, and beat them half to death with a skateboard. Props to that guy stopping them. I actually think that the police handle these situations too liberally. They should go in and beat these retards half to death.
As for the guy earlier in the thread that is saying that people are getting mad for nothing cause insurance will pay for everything and we should just enjoy the show, please leave our country. If you think that is in any way the case, and you think that line of reasoning is sane, do us a favour and just go away, cause people like you are the reason shit like this happens. What about those families, who lost their vehicles, and cant drive anywhere? What if they have kids to take to school? They now need to get a rental car, then they need to go through weeks of insurance bs to get a family car back. What about those shop owners whos places were destroyed. Itll take weeks to fix their shops. They lose business being closed. Why? All so you can "enjoy the show". Youre an asshole.
I agree that these worthless pieces of shit need to be beaten but they are not just going to sit there and take it. There was no need to escalate the situation, would only make it worse.
That I'm glad that dude stood up to the assholes but i wish more of the crowd joined in.
I think it's clear many people who don't give a shit about hockey went downtown dressed as Canucks fan for the sole purpose of exploiting the situation to cause trouble. You don't bring a black mask downtown if all you are is a frustrated hockey fan.
I think the main point that needs to be made here, is that the people who were "observing" the riots, were actually enablers to the riots. The police gave people 10 minutes leave a now dangerous area and those who didn't because they were too busy getting pictures with the burning cars should all have been issued a disturbing the peace fine/charge. The minority did the damage, but because the majority stood around, cheered and took pictures, the minority just took things to worse ans worse levels. Anybody who stayed past the police warning or once the riots started, was an active participant as far as I'm concerned and should be financially responsible for the damage and should have it recorded on their record.
Those who did the damage should just be sued by the city for all they own, then thrown in the same correctional facility, so they can have their own riot every day.
On June 17 2011 17:01 ThePimpImp wrote: Anybody who stayed past the police warning or once the riots started, was an active participant as far as I'm concerned and should be financially responsible for the damage and should have it recorded on their record.
funny how the police are asking these people for help
On June 17 2011 16:01 Focuspants wrote: They should get those 3 skater dicks in the last video, round them up, and beat them half to death with a skateboard. Props to that guy stopping them. I actually think that the police handle these situations too liberally. They should go in and beat these retards half to death.
As for the guy earlier in the thread that is saying that people are getting mad for nothing cause insurance will pay for everything and we should just enjoy the show, please leave our country. If you think that is in any way the case, and you think that line of reasoning is sane, do us a favour and just go away, cause people like you are the reason shit like this happens. What about those families, who lost their vehicles, and cant drive anywhere? What if they have kids to take to school? They now need to get a rental car, then they need to go through weeks of insurance bs to get a family car back. What about those shop owners whos places were destroyed. Itll take weeks to fix their shops. They lose business being closed. Why? All so you can "enjoy the show". Youre an asshole.
Actually about 4 hours ago there was a top rated comment on the youtube video that linked two facebook profiles to the guy in the 40 shirt and another one of the vandals, but it has strangely disappeared. It had 81 thumbs up at the time i saw it.
On June 17 2011 16:25 OsoVega wrote: I think it's clear many people who don't give a shit about hockey went downtown dressed as Canucks fan for the sole purpose of exploiting the situation to cause trouble. You don't bring a black mask downtown if all you are is a frustrated hockey fan.
Untrue. There are plenty of situations that people din't riot in. Not all Canucks fans are rioters, but a large portion of the rioters are Canucks fans. To say otherwise is disingenuous and ignores a pretty obvious problem.
The fans shouldn't be excused, any more than soccer hooligans in England should be excused, or the fanatics in South America (don't remember which nation, sorry) that ended up assassinating a player who scored an own-goal during a World Cup.
That kind of behavior is inexcusable, and trying to claim that 'real fans' don't engage in it just lets people sweep it under the rug and pretend they have no connection to or influence over the folks responsible.
Just been to the downtown area in Vancouver, and all the broken shops have been boarded up. However, sharpies were provided so that people could write whatever they could on it like thanking the police and cheering on the canucks and boston for a well deserved win.
Seriously, I thought they were rioting because some kind of political/economy reason. But after finding out that they had one of the largest riot in Canada over a freaking sport is something quite laughable and sad at the same time.
Could someone link me a video with rioters in black mask because all the videos i have seen sofar have shown rioters without masks destroying stuff yet everyone keeps mentioning these anarchists with masks running around
On June 17 2011 03:26 youngminii wrote: already posted in here but after seeing some more pics and videos
it makes me so fucking angry that these fucking morons think they can do this shit over a fucking sport, half of them are doing it because they think it makes them cool
the worst part is, they'll keep thinking that when this is all over
what a fucking disgrace of a city, canada you've just completely dropped off my list of places to go
Over one riot in Vancouver?
Come on Australia Riots happen everywhere as morons are everywhere.
ROFL im sure 90% of those people in the riot are the ones on the internet ... looking down on those who get mad at video games ..... BUT BUT BUT THIS IS HOCKEY THIS IS SRS BSN
but srsly i agree with the OP ... just looking for an excuse
On June 17 2011 03:26 youngminii wrote: already posted in here but after seeing some more pics and videos
it makes me so fucking angry that these fucking morons think they can do this shit over a fucking sport, half of them are doing it because they think it makes them cool
the worst part is, they'll keep thinking that when this is all over
what a fucking disgrace of a city, canada you've just completely dropped off my list of places to go
Over one riot in Vancouver?
Come on Australia Riots happen everywhere as morons are everywhere.
true okay i will just avoid vancouver
Montreal does this after winning in the first round soooooooo
On June 17 2011 11:13 Snausages wrote: "OUR TEAM LOST THE FINAL, SO WE'RE GONNA TEAR UP OUR OWN CITY TO SHOW HOW PISSED OFF WE ARE AT BOSTON! FUCK YOU"
It is fucking embarrassing that three retards with skateboards can do that and 50 people stand there like dumb sheep watching it. I applaud that guy, but it should have been the whole crowd turning on those jerks.
An Australian man and his girlfriend. The woman was apparently knocked down by a shield from the riot police and was crying. He was trying to calm her down.
On June 18 2011 01:19 Hawk wrote: while I generally like stupid sucker punches like that, I fully endorse this one based on the stupid hat and man purse bag hes got over his shoulder
Youtube just removed it for "shocking and disgusting content"
It was an awful choice of hats but I think Youtube goes too far.
Sweet got it from another angle. Oh and reportedly this guy did the most damage to that car in the other popular video.
On June 18 2011 01:27 floor exercise wrote: Sweet got it from another angle. Oh and reportedly this guy did the most damage to that car in the other popular video.
ya. that's the guy at like 0:22. can't mistake the goofy hat and pack.
On June 18 2011 01:19 Hawk wrote: while I generally like stupid sucker punches like that, I fully endorse this one based on the stupid hat and man purse bag hes got over his shoulder
Youtube just removed it for "shocking and disgusting content"
It was an awful choice of hats but I think Youtube goes too far.
On June 18 2011 01:19 Hawk wrote: while I generally like stupid sucker punches like that, I fully endorse this one based on the stupid hat and man purse bag hes got over his shoulder
Youtube just removed it for "shocking and disgusting content"
It was an awful choice of hats but I think Youtube goes too far.
On June 18 2011 01:19 Hawk wrote: while I generally like stupid sucker punches like that, I fully endorse this one based on the stupid hat and man purse bag hes got over his shoulder
Youtube just removed it for "shocking and disgusting content"
It was an awful choice of hats but I think Youtube goes too far.
Sweet got it from another angle. Oh and reportedly this guy did the most damage to that car in the other popular video.
How barbaric. "YEAH THIS GUY JUST GOT SUCKER PUNCHED WOO"
Watch the other videos of some idiots (one of them being the goofy guy getting knocked out) trashing a car and just being destructive. I am glad that punk got sucker punched. Guess it's o.k. since it isn't your car getting smashed!
On June 18 2011 01:19 Hawk wrote: while I generally like stupid sucker punches like that, I fully endorse this one based on the stupid hat and man purse bag hes got over his shoulder
Youtube just removed it for "shocking and disgusting content"
It was an awful choice of hats but I think Youtube goes too far.
Sweet got it from another angle. Oh and reportedly this guy did the most damage to that car in the other popular video.
How barbaric. "YEAH THIS GUY JUST GOT SUCKER PUNCHED WOO"
So the guy shouldn't have been doing shit in the first place, then maybe he wouldn't have been sucker punched. What if that car belonged to some fucking 300lb body builder who doesn't take shit from anyone, and saw that guy busting up his car.
The dude who got sucker punched should have taken into account a simple cause and effect logic before he started wailing on the car, and maybe then he wouldn't have been sucker punched.
This sort of stuff makes me so angry. I saw some videos where people are trying to protect their property and noone gives a crap. People just standing around filming it and laughing. One shopowner even got beaten up by the crowd. How little empathy do you need to have to behave like this. In my opinion they should track down all these people via the images collected and lock them up for life. We don't need these sorts of sociopaths in out societies.
If I was the mayor of Vancouver I would have told the police to shoot on sight.
On June 18 2011 01:19 Hawk wrote: while I generally like stupid sucker punches like that, I fully endorse this one based on the stupid hat and man purse bag hes got over his shoulder
Youtube just removed it for "shocking and disgusting content"
It was an awful choice of hats but I think Youtube goes too far.
Sweet got it from another angle. Oh and reportedly this guy did the most damage to that car in the other popular video.
How barbaric. "YEAH THIS GUY JUST GOT SUCKER PUNCHED WOO"
So the guy shouldn't have been doing shit in the first place, then maybe he wouldn't have been sucker punched. What if that car belonged to some fucking 300lb body builder who doesn't take shit from anyone, and saw that guy busting up his car.
The dude who got sucker punched should have taken into account a simple cause and effect logic before he started wailing on the car, and maybe then he wouldn't have been sucker punched.
The car in the video was a smart-car. I would love to see a 300lb muscle-man climb into one of those ;D
Anyways, I think it is a better way to blow off steam built up by an 7 game series that you cared deeply about to knock a vandal out than to knock in the windows to a store. That guy might be my hero.
On June 18 2011 01:19 Hawk wrote: while I generally like stupid sucker punches like that, I fully endorse this one based on the stupid hat and man purse bag hes got over his shoulder
Youtube just removed it for "shocking and disgusting content"
It was an awful choice of hats but I think Youtube goes too far.
Sweet got it from another angle. Oh and reportedly this guy did the most damage to that car in the other popular video.
How barbaric. "YEAH THIS GUY JUST GOT SUCKER PUNCHED WOO"
So the guy shouldn't have been doing shit in the first place, then maybe he wouldn't have been sucker punched. What if that car belonged to some fucking 300lb body builder who doesn't take shit from anyone, and saw that guy busting up his car.
The dude who got sucker punched should have taken into account a simple cause and effect logic before he started wailing on the car, and maybe then he wouldn't have been sucker punched.
The car in the video was a smart-car. I would love to see a 300lb muscle-man climb into one of those ;D
Anyways, I think it is a better way to blow off steam built up by an 7 game series that you cared deeply about to knock a vandal out than to knock in the windows to a store. That guy might be my hero.
Oh I know. Okay well maybe the wife of a 300lb body builder owned it, but the point is, the guy who was mindlessly destroying someone else's property didn't know that, and didn't care about the effect of him causing damage to the vehicle. In this case the effect was being sucker punched.
On June 18 2011 02:53 Thorakh wrote: That motherfucker got what he deserved. Under no circumstances do you walk around beating up the property of others. Fucking animals.
Yeah, and sucker punching the guy like that makes you an animal too. I'm glad that humanity still hasn't evolved past the middle ages.
Wait? What? The Stanley Cup Finals happened this week? What a bunch of chumps getting that pissed over a sport. Makes me sad to be a Canadian knowing people with such stupidity and disregard or respect for their country live here.
On June 18 2011 02:53 Thorakh wrote: That motherfucker got what he deserved. Under no circumstances do you walk around beating up the property of others. Fucking animals.
Yeah, and sucker punching the guy like that makes you an animal too. I'm glad that humanity still hasn't evolved past the middle ages.
I have never understood that logic. Ofcourse there is a difference between using force to hurt people / destroy peoples property or using force to defend people / peoples property.
Whether you like it or not but sometimes people will not listen to reason at which point force is, unfortunately, the only option. Or, alternitavely, you will have to accept that people can do anything they want as long as they are willing to use force.
On June 18 2011 02:53 Thorakh wrote: That motherfucker got what he deserved. Under no circumstances do you walk around beating up the property of others. Fucking animals.
Yeah, and sucker punching the guy like that makes you an animal too. I'm glad that humanity still hasn't evolved past the middle ages.
I have never understood that logic. Ofcourse there is a difference between using force to hurt people / destroy peoples property or using force to defend people / peoples property.
Whether you like it or not but sometimes people will not listen to reason at which point force is, unfortunately, the only option. Or, alternitavely, you will have to accept that people can do anything they want as long as they are willing to use force.
Yea exactly. Other thing people have to realize we are still VERY MUCH animals, most of our decisions in life are still dictated by emotions and instinct. Just like animals. For beings with such capacity for logic it really is remarkable just how stupid and primitive we can be sometimes.
On June 18 2011 02:53 Thorakh wrote: That motherfucker got what he deserved. Under no circumstances do you walk around beating up the property of others. Fucking animals.
Yeah, and sucker punching the guy like that makes you an animal too. I'm glad that humanity still hasn't evolved past the middle ages.
I have never understood that logic. Ofcourse there is a difference between using force to hurt people / destroy peoples property or using force to defend people / peoples property.
Whether you like it or not but sometimes people will not listen to reason at which point force is, unfortunately, the only option. Or, alternitavely, you will have to accept that people can do anything they want as long as they are willing to use force.
Yea exactly. Other thing people have to realize we are still VERY MUCH animals, most of our decisions in life are still dictated by emotions and instinct. Just like animals. For beings with such capacity for logic it really is remarkable just how stupid and primitive we can be sometimes.
I'm glad you agree with me but I would like to distance myself from the "we" you are referring to that are supposedly stupid and primitive. If you feel the need to belittle yourself based on the stupid and primitive actions of others go ahead, but please do so in your own name. I do not accept responsibility for this.
On June 18 2011 02:53 Thorakh wrote: That motherfucker got what he deserved. Under no circumstances do you walk around beating up the property of others. Fucking animals.
Yeah, and sucker punching the guy like that makes you an animal too. I'm glad that humanity still hasn't evolved past the middle ages.
I have never understood that logic. Ofcourse there is a difference between using force to hurt people / destroy peoples property or using force to defend people / peoples property.
Whether you like it or not but sometimes people will not listen to reason at which point force is, unfortunately, the only option. Or, alternitavely, you will have to accept that people can do anything they want as long as they are willing to use force.
Yea exactly. Other thing people have to realize we are still VERY MUCH animals, most of our decisions in life are still dictated by emotions and instinct. Just like animals. For beings with such capacity for logic it really is remarkable just how stupid and primitive we can be sometimes.
I'm glad you agree with me but I would like to distance myself from the "we" you are referring to that are supposedly stupid and primitive. If you feel the need to belittle yourself based on the stupid and primitive actions of others go ahead, but please do so in your own name. I do not accept responsibility for this.
I don't think he was calling everyone stupid, just that we are deep down animals. As much as you want to try and rise above and try and act superior to the primitive animals, at our core we still have an animal instinct.
The people who riot and destroy property like this are not going out to watch hockey. They just know there is going to be a crowd and they use it as an excuse to burn, wreck and destroy things. It's like when the G8 meeting is going on there are protesters who have signs and chant and then there are the "protesters" that burn cop cars. The people who are using violence don't care about the cause they are just going to cause shit and use what ever event (playoffs, G8) as an excuse to get together and use the crowds for safety.
you know what's sad is japan goes through an catastrophic earthquake and they all wait patiently and obey the law waiting for help to arrive. none of them raid supermarkets or loot shops. other western nations (U.S. unfortunately as well) do disgusting things like this over sports or w/e.
On June 18 2011 02:59 SichuanPanda wrote: Wait? What? The Stanley Cup Finals happened this week? What a bunch of chumps getting that pissed over a sport. Makes me sad to be a Canadian knowing people with such stupidity and disregard or respect for their country live here.
sorry to burst the righteous bubble but these people are everywhere, not just in canada. no need to belittle yourself and most sensible people because these events happened to take place here.
frankly i look at this and wonder what sets people off into committing such idiotic and mindless acts. not talking about the punks who walked into the game ready to riot regardless of what happened, i'm talking about the bystanders who felt the need to join in because it'll further themselves in their own minds or satisfy some random desire. what is being implanted into our minds in society that makes this an acceptable decision to make at such a time?
On June 18 2011 03:26 Shrimpy949 wrote: The people who riot and destroy property like this are not going out to watch hockey. They just know there is going to be a crowd and they use it as an excuse to burn, wreck and destroy things. It's like when the G8 meeting is going on there are protesters who have signs and chant and then there are the "protesters" that burn cop cars. The people who are using violence don't care about the cause they are just going to cause shit and use what ever event (playoffs, G8) as an excuse to get together and use the crowds for safety.
i have the sad feeling that the real fans are just there hanging out with other fans while certain crazy people are providing the un-called for "entertainment"
Their true nature shows up during these events... the asian guy with the hockey stick goes to some random high school which I won't name though... he does have a facebook in which he goes "why is everyone breaking shit" when he's also the one participating in it... he's also not from vancouver...
There was an interesting article in the Toronto Star discussing on of the many videos shot of people "standing up" to rioters, looters and general asshats. Managed to dig up the article and video here . Mostly just more of the same, the part the article focuses on is about 3 minutes into the video. Always amazes and saddens me when you see examples of people sinking to stuff like this.
And I don't know about anyone else, but that flashbang to the groin made me flinch. God damn that looked painful.
On June 18 2011 02:53 Thorakh wrote: That motherfucker got what he deserved. Under no circumstances do you walk around beating up the property of others. Fucking animals.
Yeah, and sucker punching the guy like that makes you an animal too. I'm glad that humanity still hasn't evolved past the middle ages.
I have never understood that logic. Ofcourse there is a difference between using force to hurt people / destroy peoples property or using force to defend people / peoples property.
Whether you like it or not but sometimes people will not listen to reason at which point force is, unfortunately, the only option. Or, alternitavely, you will have to accept that people can do anything they want as long as they are willing to use force.
Yea exactly. Other thing people have to realize we are still VERY MUCH animals, most of our decisions in life are still dictated by emotions and instinct. Just like animals. For beings with such capacity for logic it really is remarkable just how stupid and primitive we can be sometimes.
I'm glad you agree with me but I would like to distance myself from the "we" you are referring to that are supposedly stupid and primitive. If you feel the need to belittle yourself based on the stupid and primitive actions of others go ahead, but please do so in your own name. I do not accept responsibility for this.
I don't think he was calling everyone stupid, just that we are deep down animals. As much as you want to try and rise above and try and act superior to the primitive animals, at our core we still have an animal instinct.
His entire point is that people, including you, are saying "we" for things that don't necessarily apply to everyone. It's entirely possible for people to "rise above and act superior to primitive animals".
(and what he is saying has always been a pet peeve of mine lol)
Dunno if this has been posted yet. I've read most, but certainly not all posts in this thread.
edit: Btw, I think calling this a riot only cheapens any meaningful riot which has occurred in the past. It should be called what it is - a temper tantrum.
On June 18 2011 02:53 Thorakh wrote: That motherfucker got what he deserved. Under no circumstances do you walk around beating up the property of others. Fucking animals.
Yeah, and sucker punching the guy like that makes you an animal too. I'm glad that humanity still hasn't evolved past the middle ages.
I have never understood that logic. Ofcourse there is a difference between using force to hurt people / destroy peoples property or using force to defend people / peoples property.
Whether you like it or not but sometimes people will not listen to reason at which point force is, unfortunately, the only option. Or, alternitavely, you will have to accept that people can do anything they want as long as they are willing to use force.
Yea exactly. Other thing people have to realize we are still VERY MUCH animals, most of our decisions in life are still dictated by emotions and instinct. Just like animals. For beings with such capacity for logic it really is remarkable just how stupid and primitive we can be sometimes.
I'm glad you agree with me but I would like to distance myself from the "we" you are referring to that are supposedly stupid and primitive. If you feel the need to belittle yourself based on the stupid and primitive actions of others go ahead, but please do so in your own name. I do not accept responsibility for this.
I don't think he was calling everyone stupid, just that we are deep down animals. As much as you want to try and rise above and try and act superior to the primitive animals, at our core we still have an animal instinct.
His entire point is that people, including you, are saying "we" for things that don't necessarily apply to everyone. It's entirely possible for people to "rise above and act superior to primitive animals".
(and what he is saying has always been a pet peeve of mine lol)
Sure you can live and act as if you are rising above primitive animals, but that doesn't mean that your being doesn't still have primitive aspects to it. I'm not trying to say everyone should act like savages, and not try to be intellectual, just because we are at our core primitive, all I was trying to say is that just because you want to try and act like you are more than an animal, doesn't mean that you don't have core functions that make you one.
On June 18 2011 02:53 Thorakh wrote: That motherfucker got what he deserved. Under no circumstances do you walk around beating up the property of others. Fucking animals.
Yeah, and sucker punching the guy like that makes you an animal too. I'm glad that humanity still hasn't evolved past the middle ages.
I have never understood that logic. Ofcourse there is a difference between using force to hurt people / destroy peoples property or using force to defend people / peoples property.
Whether you like it or not but sometimes people will not listen to reason at which point force is, unfortunately, the only option. Or, alternitavely, you will have to accept that people can do anything they want as long as they are willing to use force.
Yea exactly. Other thing people have to realize we are still VERY MUCH animals, most of our decisions in life are still dictated by emotions and instinct. Just like animals. For beings with such capacity for logic it really is remarkable just how stupid and primitive we can be sometimes.
I'm glad you agree with me but I would like to distance myself from the "we" you are referring to that are supposedly stupid and primitive. If you feel the need to belittle yourself based on the stupid and primitive actions of others go ahead, but please do so in your own name. I do not accept responsibility for this.
I don't think he was calling everyone stupid, just that we are deep down animals. As much as you want to try and rise above and try and act superior to the primitive animals, at our core we still have an animal instinct.
His entire point is that people, including you, are saying "we" for things that don't necessarily apply to everyone. It's entirely possible for people to "rise above and act superior to primitive animals".
(and what he is saying has always been a pet peeve of mine lol)
Sure you can live and act as if you are rising above primitive animals, but that doesn't mean that your being doesn't still have primitive aspects to it. I'm not trying to say everyone should act like savages, and not try to be intellectual, just because we are at our core primitive, all I was trying to say is that just because you want to try and act like you are more than an animal, doesn't mean that you don't have core functions that make you one.
So if it wasn't pointing out what I thought you were trying to say, then you are simply stating that humans are part of the animal kingdom? I'm pretty sure that has been established a little over a 150 years ago by a chap named Darwin. But thanks for the general info then. Not sure what this has to do with this thread though.
Also yay at finding the asian guy. Now they just need to find the rest of these scumbags.
I must say though that so far the Canadians have reacted surprisingly well to this event. I wish our media / leaders would speak out like this against these lowlifes in Europe. But it seems that here we have pretty much accepted hooliganism as part of life. It is entirely normal here in the netherlands for football supporters of the away team to be escorted by police (on my tax money mind you) back and too the match. Plus of course all the policemen that have to be there during the match.
A good ol' public whippin' would do Jason Li some good!
I miss the days when, if you did something like riot over a fucking hockey game, you'd get your ass beat for sheer idiocy, but it's probably too politically incorrect to wish for that to happen
On June 18 2011 05:25 Flaccid wrote: In Angry Asian Kid news, apparently he's been identified, arrested, and expelled from school. I'm willing to guess his dad is vewy disappoint.
Dunno if this has been posted yet. I've read most, but certainly not all posts in this thread.
edit: Btw, I think calling this a riot only cheapens any meaningful riot which has occurred in the past. It should be called what it is - a temper tantrum.
RIOT MIDGET is the second best person and he's gonna get it soon too
I'm sorry, but fuck everyone* who says this is a positive sign of bullshit like "nationalism" or "patriotism". Scumbags used the occasion to wreak havoc against innocent bystanders, shop owners etc. Truly disgraceful behaviour.
It's really awesome to see people not standing for this kind of bullshit. This is one of the reasons I hope Esports doesn't get too big. I could see the same people who were threatening Kelly MIlkis doing this type of thing, if they ever got the courage to leave their houses.
On June 18 2011 05:25 Flaccid wrote: In Angry Asian Kid news, apparently he's been identified, arrested, and expelled from school. I'm willing to guess his dad is vewy disappoint.
Dunno if this has been posted yet. I've read most, but certainly not all posts in this thread.
edit: Btw, I think calling this a riot only cheapens any meaningful riot which has occurred in the past. It should be called what it is - a temper tantrum.
RIOT MIDGET is the second best person and he's gonna get it soon too
Yeah, Riot Midget is a boss. I spent a lot of time today on that Facebook group looking at the photos. Some chump with a water polo scholarship to the U of C got busted lighting a cop car on fire too. Oops. There are a few grade-A popped-collar douche bags who show up in like 3/4s of the riot footage on YouTube too.
Apparently some twat mased him while he was on the ground too. Insult to injury. Vancouver is a gorgeous city but there are way too many people from Vancouver living there. I kid, I kid.
On June 17 2011 08:35 Sharkey wrote: What a travesty!!
Some scary moments: 1) Guy pushing people around him got threatened and shoved by like 6 people. 2) full bottles of pop (750mL) being thrown into the crowd in the 1st period 3) People pelting fans in trees with garbage/bottles 4) Other debris being thrown 5) Pot smokers (gross!) 6) People threatening Boston fans at Roger arena "I will kill that b****", "Thomas' kids and wife are dead", add your own expletives 7) People mentioning that they will riot, regardless of outcome and that they were there to cause trouble. 8) At the end of the game people throwing (some glass) bottles at the tv and disrupting the image (georgia street) 9) People jumping on the car (vw golf) then flipping it over (same one as in 2nd picture on opening page and last picture on opening page). I left after that.
How are pot smokers scarier then people threatening to kill Tim Thomas and his family?
Sorry for the confusion. The number system I used in no way reflects the importance (ie. 1 is not higher priority or scarier than 2), it is purely nominal. I just really hate the smell of pot and it lessened my experience. I know many others may feel the exact opposite, but whatever.
On June 17 2011 09:07 Stipulation wrote: Of the events that I've discovered through TL this has managed to disturb me the most.
Really? For me it was the Tsunami in Southeast Asia. There was a picture of hundreds of bodies floating in the water face down. That was awful, I haven't looked at the picture since then but it I can still visualize it. The riot was bad and scary (I watched the game in downtown) but for me seeing people die is always worse then idiots making fools of themselves.
Sorry my mistake T.T....I just thought that was a weird priority list. Makes sense now...Sorry you had to be there man...I don't get how the police "didn't see it coming" when casual fans across the country did.
The man is a fucking hero. What the fuck were the people thinking stomping him like 15 vs. 1 and the people filming that shit don't even bother defending a man getting stomped. Fucking animals.
On June 18 2011 10:15 419 wrote: As the inimitable Mark Steyn points out, the fact that the rioters smashed a bookstore's windows, yet didn't loot any books is quite ... illuminating.
In a just world, there would be resignations coming from the incompetent police department officials, but I predict there will be none.
How are they incompetent? They can't just stop people from starting a riot in a crowd of more than 100,000. I wonder how well you could have handled that situation...
On June 18 2011 10:15 419 wrote: As the inimitable Mark Steyn points out, the fact that the rioters smashed a bookstore's windows, yet didn't loot any books is quite ... illuminating.
In a just world, there would be resignations coming from the incompetent police department officials, but I predict there will be none.
How are they incompetent? They can't just stop people from starting a riot in a crowd of more than 100,000. I wonder how well you could have handled that situation...
There have been plenty of recommendations made ever since the 1994 riots. For one, allowing vehicles to remain in high-population density zones is just asking for trouble. Vehicular torching is one of the more popular pursuits of the average rioter (see: Paris, etc.)
By some accounts, the police did next to nothing as the first incidents of property destruction occurred due to no orders from superiors -- this indecision was quite costly.
In some other reality, you'd be correct--this is like Monday-morning quarterbacking--but there's a huge base of prior knowledge to draw on as far as dealing with sports rioting. Instead, the police department acknowledges no mistakes, and blames a "small group of hooligans", when in fact everyone who loitered around spectating the property destruction were enablers of the situation. Seems like standard "cover your ass" play.
PS. I believe Boston, during the game, made a conscious effort to avoid having too many people into their downtown area, while Vancouver did just the opposite...
While there are external factors that may have influenced people's decisions to riot (Vancouver's reputation as a fairly high drug use city, the fact that the game was being held in Vancouver, etc.), I think that this really highlights just how silly it is to pack 150,000 people into a small geographic area.
PPS. I also believe that the outcries of "police brutality" after the G8 (or G20?) riots hamstringed the ability of the police to react effectively, though of course this is just speculative.
On June 16 2011 14:24 Deapht wrote: cant win in the only thing they are good at? fuck it just destroy the city
Only thing they're good at? Ever heard of curling bro?
Lol this is the most unintentionally hilarious response to anything I've ever read. Clearly I should not be laughing this hard but holy shit. Rofls
If you new anything of Canada, you'd know that the humor was entirely intentional. Unless of course the poster hailed from Saskatchewan, but their use of the term, "bro" would indicate otherwise.
On June 18 2011 10:15 419 wrote: As the inimitable Mark Steyn points out, the fact that the rioters smashed a bookstore's windows, yet didn't loot any books is quite ... illuminating.
In a just world, there would be resignations coming from the incompetent police department officials, but I predict there will be none.
How are they incompetent? They can't just stop people from starting a riot in a crowd of more than 100,000. I wonder how well you could have handled that situation...
There have been plenty of recommendations made ever since the 1994 riots. For one, allowing vehicles to remain in high-population density zones is just asking for trouble. Vehicular torching is one of the more popular pursuits of the average rioter (see: Paris, etc.)
I agree.
By some accounts, the police did next to nothing as the first incidents of property destruction occurred due to no orders from superiors -- this indecision was quite costly.
In some other reality, you'd be correct--this is like Monday-morning quarterbacking--but there's a huge base of prior knowledge to draw on as far as dealing with sports rioting. Instead, the police department acknowledges no mistakes, and blames a "small group of hooligans", when in fact everyone who loitered around spectating the property destruction were enablers of the situation. Seems like standard "cover your ass" play.
Of course the police wouldn't act right away. The absolute worst thing they could have done would have been for the riot police to rush in with tear gas and their batons as soon as the riot began. They did the right thing by allowing time for people to leave, angry people to calm down, etc. The crowd thinned down significantly all by itself without the police doing anything. Attacking such a tightly packed crowd with tear gas and rubber bullets like some people seem to think they should have would have resulted in people being trampled to death.
Overall, the police never have a good choice available. If they inadvertently cause a crush there would be a huge inquiry. If they wait too long for things to calm down they are blamed for indecisiveness. I think they made the right choice.
PS. I believe Boston, during the game, made a conscious effort to avoid having too many people into their downtown area, while Vancouver did just the opposite...
Well after the positive experience at the Olympics it didn't seem like such a bad idea to let people gather and watch the game.
I heard that Vancouver was very multi-ethnic and laid back, and made me want to visit sometime. This incident didn't bother me so much of the actual riot as it seemed to show a side of Vancouver I was unfamiliar with: the drunk white frat boy side that I really despised when I lived in Eugene, OR. A lot of stories detailed racial slurs and such being thrown around, and as I look at pictures of the crowd, it's almost entirely the white frat boy type.
Not to generalize all of Vancouver, and I'll still end up going there one day probably, but I suppose my original view was too idealistic.
On June 18 2011 12:18 Ocedic wrote: I heard that Vancouver was very multi-ethnic and laid back, and made me want to visit sometime. This incident didn't bother me so much of the actual riot as it seemed to show a side of Vancouver I was unfamiliar with: the drunk white frat boy side that I really despised when I lived in Eugene, OR. A lot of stories detailed racial slurs and such being thrown around, and as I look at pictures of the crowd, it's almost entirely the white frat boy type.
Not to generalize all of Vancouver, and I'll still end up going there one day probably, but I suppose my original view was too idealistic.
i, and a lot of people i know, were downtown and didn't see any racism. can you link to these "lot of stories" that detail racism? google news -> "vancouver riot racism", "riot racism", google -> "vancouver riot racism", etc all bring up 0 responses.
it sounds like you're trying to create a narrative that doesn't exist, but feel free to link these stories and prove me wrong
On June 18 2011 12:18 Ocedic wrote: I heard that Vancouver was very multi-ethnic and laid back, and made me want to visit sometime. This incident didn't bother me so much of the actual riot as it seemed to show a side of Vancouver I was unfamiliar with: the drunk white frat boy side that I really despised when I lived in Eugene, OR. A lot of stories detailed racial slurs and such being thrown around, and as I look at pictures of the crowd, it's almost entirely the white frat boy type.
Not to generalize all of Vancouver, and I'll still end up going there one day probably, but I suppose my original view was too idealistic.
i, and a lot of people i know, were downtown and didn't see any racism. can you link to these "lot of stories" that detail racism? google news -> "vancouver riot racism", "riot racism", google -> "vancouver riot racism", etc all bring up 0 responses.
it sounds like you're trying to create a narrative that doesn't exist, but feel free to link these stories and prove me wrong
Yeah there was a large number of young males of Middle Eastern and Asiatic descent, and smaller numbers of those with Indigenous, other heritages, that were also actively participating in the more destructive behavior of the riot. If anything the destructive acts were just as multi-ethnic as the city itself. As always idiots come in all shapes and colors.
I was born downtown Vancouver. I've lived in the city all my life and I'm starting to become ashamed to call myself a Vancouverite. I don't think Vancouverite has any meaning anymore. It was once a community of different peoples of all races and cultures. The city it used to be made it inviting to immigration, however its starting to feel like the people who were born and raised here are being overwhelmed by the amount of new people taking up residence.
Its not about race or where they are from its the fact that they are not from this city and they lack the respect for someone else's community they have been welcomed into. I rarely get to have a conversation with someone where they question of where were are you from is answered with, "I'm born here", and its never really spoken proudly as it once was. It almost always ends with where else they are from and how great that place with no regard for Vancouver as a comparison.
It makes me wonder then why so many people come here. The answer is, that Vancouver has so much to offer. Beaches by the downtown core, mountains, fresh lakes and great outdoors less then an hour away. Most importantly one of the most racially and culturally diverse and accepting populaces that I've seen.
This makes me sick to my stomach to see this. I just came back from Kauai, Hawaii where people are proud to show you around the island. The respect they have for the land and water, and the native peoples and culture. The attitude that the people there have for there island, has been lost in the Vancouver populace. The respect for helping each other has gone. Smiling as strangers and helping tourist's is almost non-existent. Even if its lending your cell for a minute to help someone on their way if they need to make a call.
Hastings and Main St. is the worst ghetto in North America, ( Google it if you don't believe me) I once walked as a teenager in perfect safety, would now be asking to be mugged or assaulted. Even the people considered the "lowest" (poor and drug addicts) of society were neither violent or aggressive but were still good people with a problem or disability,who just needed a hand and used to usually get one. We had to help them they were Vancouverites as well, even if it was just buying them a meal when you stopped in at McDonalds.
This attitude has been lost and those people destroying my home and my city are NOT Vancouverites they are visitors and thugs, and people looking for a mob to perform for and entice into violence. They have no rhyme or reason to be doing this other then they do not care for my home and the home of other Vancouverites. I really would like to know how they would feel if I was doing this to their home city. I really hope that this isn't what sticks into people and TL's minds when they see this of my city.
It really doesn't take much to be a Vancouverite, just respect, socially morale, and polite, even if you are a visitor you will be considered one of us if you have these qualities. At least any true person from here will treat you as such. I wish all these people who rioted would go home and take the negative attitudes with them. It makes me sad they wont though, since they now live here since its much better then where ever they came from. But to those who realize what this city has to offer and have the right attitude I would like to welcome you, just I warn you its not the city that was once at the top of the best 10 cities list in the world.
PS. I would like to throw a shout out to the few of us (Vancouverites) left that went downtown to help clean and reclaim our downtown core. I only regret that I wasnt in the country to help as well.
On June 18 2011 16:06 Bobble wrote: lol Canada lost.
Yeah, I have no opinion here, just wanted to join in the thread...
Eh, it's subjective. The Boston team is composed of 66% canadians and the canucks team 54%.
But the Boston team is American, well, as long as my random glances at map are correct. I don't know how you think about sporting teams, but it doesn't matter what the team is composed for, it's what the team represents that is important. For example, in the AFL, Richmond was allowed to play in the annual game that honours aboriginals and aboriginal football players. That was because they had the most Aboriginal players in their team. We still get to play in Dreamtime at the 'G, even though we know have an all white team now, and a lot of aboriginal people still barrack for Richmond. They don't jump to the team which has a tonne of Aboriginals now. What I'm saying is that when you barrack for a team, you barrack for the team, the banner a group unites under, not the players.
I don't really see how people think Vancouver handled this poorly, when in LA when the Lakers lose, or win, crowds that are 90% smaller then this start riots and just about the same thing happens, and it happens in LA pretty much every time the team loses a Finals series. The only way to stop it is to not put massive screens downtown and let people come to watch the games, literally nothing else would have stopped it.
On June 16 2011 14:10 EcstatiC wrote: psht thats nothing. thats literally the only car theyve torched. personally i was expecting much worse, but the vancouver PD has been preparing for this moment since the last time they lost in the finals 20 years ago, and things are going much, much better than they were last time.
and you're embarassed? fuck that, watching a riot caused purely by the loss of a hockey games gets me going all patriotic. nowhere else in the world is the greatest sport ever appreciated so much.
We'll see in the morning if they ACTUALLY riot, cuz right now I would call this a bit of a rollover on the part of the fans.
Edit: it appears they have begun to actually riot, so:
This is how it works: Every Canadian dreams of raising the stanley cup from the moment he can think for himself. When 99% of them realize that they aren't good enough to play any more, it becomes their dream to watch their team raise the cup, and for Vancouver, a team that has been around for 40 years without ever having won it, and now they not only had a chance, but they were expected to win. Most of these fans rioting have been cheering and carrying the colours for 15-20 years now, through all the trials and trebulation, and now it seemed to them that they would finally achieve it, until tonight. If you had been dreaming of something for 20 years, and then had it promised to you, only to have it ripped from your fingers at the last possible second, would you riot? I fucking would.
And @ people in this thread, man up. Seriously. This is Canada, and we go through hockey riots every year at this time, whether its montreal, vancouver, edmonton, or montreal (did i mention montreal?). Why is anybody even surprised about this? I thought we had come to expect this, and we've definitely learned how to handle it. Just stop being a bunch of pussies.
Edit 2: Okay the riots basically over. i give it a 4/10
Well, at least people are making sure intellectualism is a rarity.
Apparently some twat mased him while he was on the ground too. Insult to injury. Vancouver is a gorgeous city but there are way too many people from Vancouver living there. I kid, I kid.
EPT![[image loading]](http://www.identifyrioters.com/images/rioters/30.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ZhXj3.png)
![[image loading]](http://nationalpostnews.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/riot3.jpg?w=940&h=626)
![[image loading]](http://media.topscms.com//MetroNews/Published/images/e8/67/707fe50b4103b4b500516dfd66b6.jpeg)
![[image loading]](http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/949/img2407r.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z443/joeshmoe762/ShootSelf.gif)
![[image loading]](http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/253436_218002028231631_100000655076382_707674_3500986_n.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://imageftw.com/uploads/20110616/asian.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://imageftw.com/uploads/20110616/kingoftheworld.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://l.yimg.com/a/p/sp/editorial_image/10/1008efd8b6b72e49e3b1133efad75d53/gallery_shocking_scenes_from_the_vancouver_game_riots.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/H9aja.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://nationalpostnews.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/riot5.jpg?w=940&h=1046)
![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b7/Melb_g20_riot.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/8p95f.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://nationalpostnews.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/riot30.jpg?w=940&h=1331)
![[image loading]](http://js-kit.com/blob/hcY4EA0MDkfMTQgo_8AKQw.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://www.flickr.com/photos/vfxmonkey/5838377375/sizes/z/in/photostream/)
![[image loading]](http://publicshamingeternus.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/mallory-newton.jpg?w=497&h=538)
