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Thorakh
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands1788 Posts
May 27 2011 22:00 GMT
#41
I'm just speachless...
notwelldone
Profile Joined June 2010
92 Posts
May 27 2011 22:00 GMT
#42
So sad...
Losing is Fun
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 22:05:13
May 27 2011 22:02 GMT
#43
Where is the evidence that this is a Mormon organization? It doesn't mention it anywhere on the site and google is turning up nothing. She said part of the evidence that it was Mormon was that she wasn't allowed to have caffeine?

I just want to get the facts straight here before we start bashing the "Mormon point of view." I know several Mormons and I know not a single one of them would support a program like this.

And just because some staff are Mormon doesn't make it a Mormon organization either.
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
Thorminator
Profile Joined November 2010
Norway8 Posts
May 27 2011 22:07 GMT
#44
On May 28 2011 06:32 Nevy wrote:
I find that hard to believe that these places still exist in 2011. Especially in the US. I wish someone would raid the place.


Heard of Guantanamo? I dont like the way this is going, US needs to start paying attention to human rights
TOloseGT
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1145 Posts
May 27 2011 22:12 GMT
#45
Not surprised. The world is full of nutjobs, and giving them power leads to this.
gogogadgetflow
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2583 Posts
May 27 2011 22:18 GMT
#46
On May 28 2011 07:02 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Where is the evidence that this is a Mormon organization? It doesn't mention it anywhere on the site and google is turning up nothing. She said part of the evidence that it was Mormon was that she wasn't allowed to have caffeine?

I just want to get the facts straight here before we start bashing the "Mormon point of view." I know several Mormons and I know not a single one of them would support a program like this.

And just because some staff are Mormon doesn't make it a Mormon organization either.


Its not that its a mormon organization per se, but the extreme evangelism/orthodoxy is pretty much typified by the LDS church (I'm at least sure it's the most mainstream example in the West)
roflSloth
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada43 Posts
May 27 2011 22:22 GMT
#47
On May 28 2011 07:02 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Where is the evidence that this is a Mormon organization? It doesn't mention it anywhere on the site and google is turning up nothing. She said part of the evidence that it was Mormon was that she wasn't allowed to have caffeine?

I just want to get the facts straight here before we start bashing the "Mormon point of view." I know several Mormons and I know not a single one of them would support a program like this.

And just because some staff are Mormon doesn't make it a Mormon organization either.


Read her reddit posts, she actually only mentioned it was a Mormon program because it wasn't mentioned anywhere; she even said she wouldn't have made a big deal out of it if they advertised they were Mormon.

As for the evidence, well, if you read her transcript carefully, she mentions many religious themes present in Cross Creek's program. Combine that with the staff being 95% Mormon (her words, not mine), and that's a pretty easy conclusion to make, in my opinion.


As much as I disagree with religion in general, however, I definitely agree with your point that we shouldn't bash the Mormon point of view. There are extremists and douchebags from all beliefs; Christians, Muslims, Mormons, even atheists. I definitely see too many people on TL boards instantly condemning the religion involved when things like this happen.
Lucidx
Profile Joined December 2010
United States122 Posts
May 27 2011 22:24 GMT
#48
>Read first person post on Reddit
>Must be true

Don't you think, with this massive era of being politically correct in the US, that something would be done about this? If not by the government, then by huge activist groups like the ACLU?
Think about it people.
" I would rather get AIDS then get hit by a bus then have my expansion blocked by a pylon" - Day[9]
rycho
Profile Joined July 2010
United States360 Posts
May 27 2011 22:25 GMT
#49
On May 28 2011 07:24 Lucidx wrote:
>Read first person post on Reddit
>Must be true

Don't you think, with this massive era of being politically correct in the US, that something would be done about this? If not by the government, then by huge activist groups like the ACLU?
Think about it people.


not at all, look at our prison system if you have any doubts about that
Mo0Rauder
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada182 Posts
May 27 2011 22:26 GMT
#50
This is exactly why I keep a Katana directly beside my bed. GG
All work or all play? Nive to five? Or, five to nine?
N3rV[Green]
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1935 Posts
May 27 2011 22:26 GMT
#51
This is what happens when religious radicals go unchecked into mainstream society for generations.

It's a truly sad thing, and events like this actually make me a little sad for living in the USA.

God damn our country is just so messed up.......
Never fear the darkness, Bran. The strongest trees are rooted in the dark places of the earth. Darkness will be your cloak, your shield, your mother's milk. Darkness will make you strong.
Lucidx
Profile Joined December 2010
United States122 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 22:29:54
May 27 2011 22:28 GMT
#52
On May 28 2011 07:25 rycho wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2011 07:24 Lucidx wrote:
>Read first person post on Reddit
>Must be true

Don't you think, with this massive era of being politically correct in the US, that something would be done about this? If not by the government, then by huge activist groups like the ACLU?
Think about it people.


not at all, look at our prison system if you have any doubts about that

What about the prison system?
The prisoners are treated way too well in my opinion.
" I would rather get AIDS then get hit by a bus then have my expansion blocked by a pylon" - Day[9]
Clearout
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway1060 Posts
May 27 2011 22:28 GMT
#53
Absolutely disgusting, the worst part is I don't doubt it's validity either, this is the thing I would least expect from any western first world county.
really?
Vore210
Profile Joined January 2011
Ireland256 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 22:33:17
May 27 2011 22:29 GMT
#54
On May 28 2011 06:59 tdynasty wrote:
Let's not be fooled here. Religion is not the problem.

But rather the extremist "Evangelical/Morman" Point of view. I have seen many just insanely shocking things from these kinds of people. That's why this is actually believable.

I mean these are the kinds of people that try to justify what they are doing with "God" but are so ironically hypocrites about how they view life it's sickening.

I'm actually sick to my stomach. If I had a choice right now, pay 10 thousand dollars, and erase all of this type of activity from existence. I wouldn't even hesitate. I'd give that money and sleep happily forever.

What's so ironic to me, is how these people use the term evil.... When I would call them and their words to be true evil.

P.S.

Move to Canada it's closer. Guaranteed permanent stay + membership.


Disagree. We all have biases, prejudices etc. However religious texts which support them and religious leaders who back the anti-homosexuality position up just make the problem worse. Religion makes the perpetrators of religious doctrine righteous.

For the most part we've got over racism, because it wasn't supported by our leaders. We got over subordinating women, because it wasn't supported by our leaders (in western nations at least, in islamic nations its still going strong). Homophobia is NOT gone, its alive and kicking because religious leaders back it up.

So yes, the root of the corruption is religion. Christianity specifically.

These people can unashamedly say, without any hint of irony, that they love jesus and hate gays.

Edit: @roflSloth, I see that garbage being spouted around a lot, that there are atheists who do stuff as bad as these religious people. Who, exactly? I've never heard of it, and with our religiously-biased western media i'm pretty sure the second an atheist steps out of line we'd hear all about it. The pope would never stop talking about it for starters.

So who? What atheist organization does anything remotely like this?
Light a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day, but set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life. - Terry Pratchett
Lucidx
Profile Joined December 2010
United States122 Posts
May 27 2011 22:29 GMT
#55
On May 28 2011 07:28 Clearout wrote:
Absolutely disgusting, the worst part is I don't doubt it's validity either, this is the thing I would least expect from any western first world county.

Why don't you doubt it?
" I would rather get AIDS then get hit by a bus then have my expansion blocked by a pylon" - Day[9]
Retgery
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1229 Posts
May 27 2011 22:50 GMT
#56
This is from one of their "honest interview"
My daughter is a graduate of the Program, and it saved her life. Sending my daughter to the Program was one of the hardest things I have ever done in my life. The consequences of NOT sending her were too terrible to even think about. After much research I chose this program because they would treat my daughter with a great deal of love and respect. It was highly structured; her choices created her results. In order for her to ‘move up the levels’ she had to prove herself to the staff and to her peers. It turned out that is was much more difficult to fool her peers than to fool the staff. They also have parent seminars. This isn’t a program to ‘fix’ your child. This is a program that heals the whole family, including yourself. The Program deals with personal change, internalized change. This is a program that encourages change through the love and support of peers and staff alike but does not happen overnight. The patterns and habits of bad choices did not happen overnight either.
This is absolute bullshit, and it disgusts what this place is advertising to people.
Fall down 7 times, stand up 8.
homeless_guy
Profile Joined June 2005
United States321 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 22:51:46
May 27 2011 22:51 GMT
#57
How can I help people like this?

Edit: I mean people treated like the author of this article.
Olinim
Profile Joined March 2011
4044 Posts
May 27 2011 23:03 GMT
#58
On May 28 2011 07:29 Vore210 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2011 06:59 tdynasty wrote:
Let's not be fooled here. Religion is not the problem.

But rather the extremist "Evangelical/Morman" Point of view. I have seen many just insanely shocking things from these kinds of people. That's why this is actually believable.

I mean these are the kinds of people that try to justify what they are doing with "God" but are so ironically hypocrites about how they view life it's sickening.

I'm actually sick to my stomach. If I had a choice right now, pay 10 thousand dollars, and erase all of this type of activity from existence. I wouldn't even hesitate. I'd give that money and sleep happily forever.

What's so ironic to me, is how these people use the term evil.... When I would call them and their words to be true evil.

P.S.

Move to Canada it's closer. Guaranteed permanent stay + membership.


Disagree. We all have biases, prejudices etc. However religious texts which support them and religious leaders who back the anti-homosexuality position up just make the problem worse. Religion makes the perpetrators of religious doctrine righteous.

For the most part we've got over racism, because it wasn't supported by our leaders. We got over subordinating women, because it wasn't supported by our leaders (in western nations at least, in islamic nations its still going strong). Homophobia is NOT gone, its alive and kicking because religious leaders back it up.

So yes, the root of the corruption is religion. Christianity specifically.

These people can unashamedly say, without any hint of irony, that they love jesus and hate gays.

Edit: @roflSloth, I see that garbage being spouted around a lot, that there are atheists who do stuff as bad as these religious people. Who, exactly? I've never heard of it, and with our religiously-biased western media i'm pretty sure the second an atheist steps out of line we'd hear all about it. The pope would never stop talking about it for starters.

So who? What atheist organization does anything remotely like this?

Yes, when people say there are atheist douchebags too, I mean that's obvious they're human. But the difference is their douchebaggery isn't partially caused or fueled/assisted by their atheism, so the comparison is irrelevant. It can be pretty annoying.
schmeebs
Profile Joined August 2010
United States115 Posts
May 27 2011 23:04 GMT
#59
Anyone who has any doubts that these places exist should put a little effort into researching them. I live in Utah and have seen these places, was almost sent to one until my parents realized the hellholes they were. I had friends that were sent to these places and while its not a horror story for everyone, it is for many.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 23:13:20
May 27 2011 23:10 GMT
#60
I wouldn't be surprised if that kid was a right pain in the ass originally, and this was extreme measure to make it civil
People find it hard to view my flaws, and dear god my teenage sister is top among those :/

Edit: oh silly me, only read the opening paragraph or two
it could be compared across still, the parents see the girl as flawed and she won't say she is
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
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