EPTBehavioural Modification Camps in the USA - Page 3
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Thorakh
Netherlands1788 Posts
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notwelldone
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
I just want to get the facts straight here before we start bashing the "Mormon point of view." I know several Mormons and I know not a single one of them would support a program like this. And just because some staff are Mormon doesn't make it a Mormon organization either. | ||
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Thorminator
Norway8 Posts
On May 28 2011 06:32 Nevy wrote: I find that hard to believe that these places still exist in 2011. Especially in the US. I wish someone would raid the place. Heard of Guantanamo? I dont like the way this is going, US needs to start paying attention to human rights | ||
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TOloseGT
United States1145 Posts
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gogogadgetflow
United States2583 Posts
On May 28 2011 07:02 jdseemoreglass wrote: Where is the evidence that this is a Mormon organization? It doesn't mention it anywhere on the site and google is turning up nothing. She said part of the evidence that it was Mormon was that she wasn't allowed to have caffeine? I just want to get the facts straight here before we start bashing the "Mormon point of view." I know several Mormons and I know not a single one of them would support a program like this. And just because some staff are Mormon doesn't make it a Mormon organization either. Its not that its a mormon organization per se, but the extreme evangelism/orthodoxy is pretty much typified by the LDS church (I'm at least sure it's the most mainstream example in the West) | ||
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roflSloth
Canada43 Posts
On May 28 2011 07:02 jdseemoreglass wrote: Where is the evidence that this is a Mormon organization? It doesn't mention it anywhere on the site and google is turning up nothing. She said part of the evidence that it was Mormon was that she wasn't allowed to have caffeine? I just want to get the facts straight here before we start bashing the "Mormon point of view." I know several Mormons and I know not a single one of them would support a program like this. And just because some staff are Mormon doesn't make it a Mormon organization either. Read her reddit posts, she actually only mentioned it was a Mormon program because it wasn't mentioned anywhere; she even said she wouldn't have made a big deal out of it if they advertised they were Mormon. As for the evidence, well, if you read her transcript carefully, she mentions many religious themes present in Cross Creek's program. Combine that with the staff being 95% Mormon (her words, not mine), and that's a pretty easy conclusion to make, in my opinion. As much as I disagree with religion in general, however, I definitely agree with your point that we shouldn't bash the Mormon point of view. There are extremists and douchebags from all beliefs; Christians, Muslims, Mormons, even atheists. I definitely see too many people on TL boards instantly condemning the religion involved when things like this happen. | ||
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Lucidx
United States122 Posts
>Must be true Don't you think, with this massive era of being politically correct in the US, that something would be done about this? If not by the government, then by huge activist groups like the ACLU? Think about it people. | ||
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rycho
United States360 Posts
On May 28 2011 07:24 Lucidx wrote: >Read first person post on Reddit >Must be true Don't you think, with this massive era of being politically correct in the US, that something would be done about this? If not by the government, then by huge activist groups like the ACLU? Think about it people. not at all, look at our prison system if you have any doubts about that | ||
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Mo0Rauder
Canada182 Posts
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N3rV[Green]
United States1935 Posts
It's a truly sad thing, and events like this actually make me a little sad for living in the USA. God damn our country is just so messed up....... | ||
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Lucidx
United States122 Posts
On May 28 2011 07:25 rycho wrote: not at all, look at our prison system if you have any doubts about that What about the prison system? The prisoners are treated way too well in my opinion. | ||
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Clearout
Norway1060 Posts
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Vore210
Ireland256 Posts
On May 28 2011 06:59 tdynasty wrote: Let's not be fooled here. Religion is not the problem. But rather the extremist "Evangelical/Morman" Point of view. I have seen many just insanely shocking things from these kinds of people. That's why this is actually believable. I mean these are the kinds of people that try to justify what they are doing with "God" but are so ironically hypocrites about how they view life it's sickening. I'm actually sick to my stomach. If I had a choice right now, pay 10 thousand dollars, and erase all of this type of activity from existence. I wouldn't even hesitate. I'd give that money and sleep happily forever. What's so ironic to me, is how these people use the term evil.... When I would call them and their words to be true evil. P.S. Move to Canada it's closer. Guaranteed permanent stay + membership. Disagree. We all have biases, prejudices etc. However religious texts which support them and religious leaders who back the anti-homosexuality position up just make the problem worse. Religion makes the perpetrators of religious doctrine righteous. For the most part we've got over racism, because it wasn't supported by our leaders. We got over subordinating women, because it wasn't supported by our leaders (in western nations at least, in islamic nations its still going strong). Homophobia is NOT gone, its alive and kicking because religious leaders back it up. So yes, the root of the corruption is religion. Christianity specifically. These people can unashamedly say, without any hint of irony, that they love jesus and hate gays. Edit: @roflSloth, I see that garbage being spouted around a lot, that there are atheists who do stuff as bad as these religious people. Who, exactly? I've never heard of it, and with our religiously-biased western media i'm pretty sure the second an atheist steps out of line we'd hear all about it. The pope would never stop talking about it for starters. So who? What atheist organization does anything remotely like this? | ||
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Lucidx
United States122 Posts
On May 28 2011 07:28 Clearout wrote: Absolutely disgusting, the worst part is I don't doubt it's validity either, this is the thing I would least expect from any western first world county. Why don't you doubt it? | ||
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Retgery
Canada1229 Posts
My daughter is a graduate of the Program, and it saved her life. Sending my daughter to the Program was one of the hardest things I have ever done in my life. The consequences of NOT sending her were too terrible to even think about. After much research I chose this program because they would treat my daughter with a great deal of love and respect. It was highly structured; her choices created her results. In order for her to ‘move up the levels’ she had to prove herself to the staff and to her peers. It turned out that is was much more difficult to fool her peers than to fool the staff. They also have parent seminars. This isn’t a program to ‘fix’ your child. This is a program that heals the whole family, including yourself. The Program deals with personal change, internalized change. This is a program that encourages change through the love and support of peers and staff alike but does not happen overnight. The patterns and habits of bad choices did not happen overnight either. This is absolute bullshit, and it disgusts what this place is advertising to people. | ||
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homeless_guy
United States321 Posts
Edit: I mean people treated like the author of this article. | ||
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Olinim
4044 Posts
On May 28 2011 07:29 Vore210 wrote: Disagree. We all have biases, prejudices etc. However religious texts which support them and religious leaders who back the anti-homosexuality position up just make the problem worse. Religion makes the perpetrators of religious doctrine righteous. For the most part we've got over racism, because it wasn't supported by our leaders. We got over subordinating women, because it wasn't supported by our leaders (in western nations at least, in islamic nations its still going strong). Homophobia is NOT gone, its alive and kicking because religious leaders back it up. So yes, the root of the corruption is religion. Christianity specifically. These people can unashamedly say, without any hint of irony, that they love jesus and hate gays. Edit: @roflSloth, I see that garbage being spouted around a lot, that there are atheists who do stuff as bad as these religious people. Who, exactly? I've never heard of it, and with our religiously-biased western media i'm pretty sure the second an atheist steps out of line we'd hear all about it. The pope would never stop talking about it for starters. So who? What atheist organization does anything remotely like this? Yes, when people say there are atheist douchebags too, I mean that's obvious they're human. But the difference is their douchebaggery isn't partially caused or fueled/assisted by their atheism, so the comparison is irrelevant. It can be pretty annoying. | ||
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schmeebs
United States115 Posts
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
People find it hard to view my flaws, and dear god my teenage sister is top among those :/ Edit: oh silly me, only read the opening paragraph or two it could be compared across still, the parents see the girl as flawed and she won't say she is | ||
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