Amateur k-1 fighter here. I just started BJJ last month to learn some ground game since a grappling team joined our kickboxing gym. It's funny to see how helpless we are on the ground and how clumsy and timid they are on their feet MMA for the win!
As for the entire Krav Maga debate - if you don't spar then you can't fight. It's that simple.
Just like sex. You can theorycraft for ten years with Ron Jeremy and become a PhD virgin but at the sight of punani you'll shit your pants and jizz before you can say "ohnoes" :p
If you want to see how martial arts perform in practice watch a UFC card. Those guys know how to fight and that's how real fighting looks like. The whole eye gouging and ball twisting is more or less nonsense. Have fun trying to grab Jon Jones by the balls lol.
When an adept standup fighter is destroying you with sick footwork and power strikes or a BJJ black belt is manhandling you like a two dollar hooker the last thing you'll be able to do is pull off some fancy eye poking.
I'd also like to stress that it's plain silly to learn that kind of self defense as a preventive measure.
its up to you how much of "that kind of self-defense" you do impose on the enemy.. if you are attacked by a knife or a gun then use your fucking krav maga skills.. whats wrong with that?
Except that those are extreme situations that 1)hopefully don't occur very often, why pay and train for that? 2)Will mess with your reflexes and your mindset; you will probably make mistakes, which will probably result in more harm 3)Will make you take the wrong decisions that will go beyond your control, as in killing someone and going to jail, or trying to be a hero and get someone, or yourself, killed.
All in all I don't see the point in training yourself like the soldiers who are at war, other then being paranoid/trying to deal with your paranoia.
If you're attacked by a knife or a gun, run. If you can't, well, it's like a car accident. And you still can get away with it by just giving what the agressor wants, for example.
Are you going to pay and spend 50$ and several hours a week to learn how to react in case you happen to be in a plane crash? Or how to survive alone in the jungle, even though you live in NYC?
Many other martial arts deal with situations that are much closer to everyday life, and teach you much more than just how to theoretically kill your opponent: respect, hard work, endurance, humility, willpower. And they also teach you how to deal with a knife. They just don't cover the case of you being threatened by a giant armed with a giant bazooka.
On May 31 2011 06:11 Kukaracha wrote: Except that those are extreme situations that 1)hopefully don't occur very often, why pay and train for that? 2)Will mess with your reflexes and your mindset; you will probably make mistakes, which will probably result in more harm 3)Will make you take the wrong decisions that will go beyond your control, as in killing someone and going to jail, or trying to be a hero and get someone, or yourself, killed.
All in all I don't see the point in training yourself like the soldiers who are at war, other then being paranoid/trying to deal with your paranoia.
If you're attacked by a knife or a gun, run. If you can't, well, it's like a car accident. And you still can get away with it by just giving what the agressor wants, for example.
Are you going to pay and spend 50$ and several hours a week to learn how to react in case you happen to be in a plane crash? Or how to survive alone in the jungle, even though you live in NYC?
Many other martial arts deal with situations that are much closer to everyday life, and teach you much more than just how to theoretically kill your opponent: respect, hard work, endurance, humility, willpower. And they also teach you how to deal with a knife. They just don't cover the case of you being threatened by a giant armed with a giant bazooka.
1) it boosts your confidence, its fun, you live somewhere where it is not that rare to be attacked, no other MA school is around or someone really skilled teaches it, you like the style of this MA.. just few reasons
2) you are completely wrong here imo.. not only because you could argue this way about every other martial art but I think if you are aware of your skills you can estimate the amount of violence needed to take your enemy out.. of course tragic accidents happen, but its the nature of streetfights or someone being an idiot which cause them, not the martial art itself.. you wouldnt blame the gun if someone unnessecarily shot somebody in the head instead of a leg
3) so not training krav maga makes you do better decisions?
and with that (imo very bad) car accident analogy.. you can always buy a car which is safer, drive slower etc.. in other words minimize the risk of something - you know the concept
if the aggresor wants to rape your wife.. well fair enough, lets give it to him
and its not like people play paintball or train gun schooting because they are preparing for war or someone is a runner because he is afraid of being caught
Everyday life differs enormously between regions in the world. Western Europe is paradise compared to a south american favella. Martial arts are generally born in areas that have known conflict for quite some time.
@kickboxer: define "being able to fight". My definition is being able to find openings that allow me to stay in control of the confrontation, allowing me to get away unharmed (the Gump-doctrine, also known as "run, Forrest, run!"). Staying in control for me means either maintaining a distance I'm trained in or throwing/pushing the attacker so I can get away. Since my ground work plain sucks (it's good enough to overwhelm untrained people but I'd rather not risk it; on top of that ground work kind of negates a lot of exit strategies) I will avoid going to the ground as much as I can. Distance is key here.
My guess is that yours is somewhat more competitive in nature.
I mainly train martial arts for the fun of it. The only competition I'm interested in is overcoming my own limitations bit by bit. I don't get why so many people can't grasp the fact that not everyone trains martial arts to learn how to fight. Seriously, the city I live in safe (and boring) as can be. 70% of the population is either below 18 or above 50. The worst thing that could happen is that you get shouted at by a bunch of drunk sixteen-year-olds.
Before anyone starts complaining about what I train I would like to say that I respect a LOT BJJ, kickboxing, boxing and almost every kind of fighting styles I personally wouldn't try to fight face to face with any of those bare handed.
What I do is bujinkan budo taijutsu (poorly called ninjutsu - since there is that shit called American Ninjutsu lol).
It's true that we don't actually get into fight but we do spar, rarely but we do.
Anyway, this type of martial arts aren't for competing. You just can't use your lighter and turn it on near your oponent face, or grab a ashtray and smash it into his skull, or grab somebody from the croud and use him as cover, or sneak attack him from the back (what the fuck, i'm trying to survive, not to fight with honor)
If there is something that bujinkan taught me is to survive, and as far as I know, getting into fights every night ain't going to get you anywhere in your life.
and the master of anderson silva (UFC 28 wins 4 loss (16)TKO) is an aikido 8th dan that doesn't compete, funny huh.
And hell yeah BJJ rocks, I have many friends from Fortaleza-Brasil that train that and I have a hell of a fun time sparring with them
Sad how every MA thread is destined to go down the "my style owns, yours suck" swamp...
Anyway, landed in brazil. Had my first class with the gringos here. Basicly just sparring this time. Had my ass whooped quite a lot. Very humid, very sticky. Quite fun.
Edit: I also met a decent german brood war player who also trains here. Seems I have to buy a mouse to my computer...
White belt (gi). Muay thai for a year before that, and JKD for 2 years before that.
A heads up to all jiujitsu players and fans, the world championships are this weekend. Budovideos.com will be hosting the match stream (as usual), and you can tune in on Saturday for free... so check it out!
The lineups look great. Some insane brackets:
Pena Bracket 2: Tanquinho, Batata,Ryan Hall, Frazatto, Renato Tavares. SICK Medio Bracket 3: Calasans, Clark Gracie, and Murilo Santana... this bracket is just f'ing brutal
On June 02 2011 11:11 Tsuycc wrote: I would wanna do Jeet Kune Do
Does anyone have any experience with it and could possible share their thoughts?
I did JKD for 2 years - it's a lot of fun. It's based on ideas that actually work, borrowing from all martial arts, and is very self-defense oriented (as opposed to sport-oriented). It's also very focused on sparring, so realize that you will be getting into controlled fights in your classes and will most definitely get cracked in the nose... but you'll have a blast.
Ive done BJJ for about 3 years. My Wrestling coach in highschool taught Judo so after highschool ended I started practicing Judo for a year or so. Then my Judo instructor had to move so he recommended me to a buddy of his who was a BJJ instructor. All 3 sports are very fun but I must admit that I like BJJ the most and it has a very practical real life application. I competed in a few small tournaments, nothing special but I had a great time doing so.
On June 02 2011 11:51 Machine[USA] wrote: Ive done BJJ for about 3 years. My Wrestling coach in highschool taught Judo so after highschool ended I started practicing Judo for a year or so. Then my Judo instructor had to move so he recommended me to a buddy of his who was a BJJ instructor. All 3 sports are very fun but I must admit that I like BJJ the most and it has a very practical real life application. I competed in a few small tournaments, nothing special but I had a great time doing so.
People can say what they want but BJJ is the most exhausting workout I have ever done using so many muscle groups at once is amazing. At the same time it is very fun like you said Machine. I have only been doing about 2 months and had no prior martial arts or wrestling experience but in 2 months I have already gotten my first stripe on my belt :D. Also like you said it has many real life applications. My instructor is a police officer and he said its unfortunate but he has to use many of the things he teaches to restrain people who dont want to go to jail or people who attack him.
whoops didnt realize the last post was last month :X
as a former Jiu Jitsu practicioner (couldn't continue due to several surgeries because of an accident), Jiu Jitsu competition IS the chess of martial arts, if you are in good physical condition you can outsmart people that should normally beat you because they're bigger, stronger, younger, faster, etc, actually you can beat them pretty fucking bad, in that regard I loved it, when I retired from wc3, Jiu Jitsu was my new found love.
Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and boxing are my main stays. Love grappling as well.
I also have the unique experience to work as a doorman at a bar. The OP is right...it gives you more insight into martial arts then you will ever know.
While I realize this is an old thread I have a couple of new questions.
In the recent interview on "real talk" with idra, he mentions being interested in starting a martial art like bjj. Unfortunately EG isn't keen on the idea of them training because of potential injury to their hands. I've been training for two years now and no one at my school has had a hand injury. As long as you train with people who are not going to spaz, and understand what rolling is, I don't see much in the way of hand injuryes. After all jiu jitsu does translate to mean "the gental art". Does anyone else have a similar experience with this? I guess it may also depend on the school you train at.
The next part I wanted to discuss is the psychological side of bjj. It's like everything that's happened during the day up until class is wiped away. It clears your mind and checks your ego. I am in no way some sort of therapist but if I ran a Starcraft team I would make it mandatory. I personally need it. Do you guys think something like this would help a player like idras mentality?
EPT
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