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It's ridiculous that YOU a med student is going around here saying shit like "acute psychosis" and "delusions" from weed lol, please, please do not be my doctor if I ever need one. I use to smoke tons of weed for 4 years straight and never once have I "hallucinated" or had any psychosis or whatever term you want to define it as. The only place where I can see you having a point is "thought disorder (lol btw)". I had some thought disorder ( when your mind just wanders) which pretty much went away in a week (understandably) after quitting. and yes there is no way to measure any "delusions" or "psychosis", but i know from personal experience that everything youve been spewing out of that mouth makes it sound much worst than it is. any symptoms or side affects one might have are pretty much non factors from long term smoking of weed (unless we are talking like decades here then who knows..) even then I know people that have been smoking for more than that and are still fine.
I dont really see why people want weed to be legal, i remember being 13 and 14 running around stores with friends picking up bottles and shit, pretty much just doing it wrong and being stupid. Maybe its easier to say this in cali but weed is practically nothing here even if you dont have a card, you might get a fine if you're stupid enough to get pulled over with it on you or something. But my point is, why would you want your kids to have easy access to it? It certainly isn't anything kids should be doing because it makes *most* people lazy (some people actually do better on it) If you wanna smoke it you still can, and if you dont mind your kids smoking it dont you atleast want to introduce it to them the correct way yourself instead of running around with their friends or so?
In the end I think the laws are in place to protect the youth. The adults can do whatever they want 
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Quick google:
pot is mildly addictive, but not as addictive as cigs or alchohol. It passes through your system in several weeks. Aside from stimulating appetite, there isn't much of a side effect. Withdraw symptoms include irritability, agitation, disturbed sleep pattern. The effects of being "high" can vary from increased awareness of sensations, introspection, impaired memory, or in rare cases depression/anxiety. None of the mentioned effects are violent.
Driving while high is dangerous because of lengthened decision time and swerving in lane. Which probably translates in to bad response timing and rambo queens. Dont try to ladder while high.
That said, if you're worried about cannabis, you should be much more worried about alcohol.
That said, with regards to OP,
i'd be curious to know what the amount needed to meet a beneficial threshold is. AKA how much weed do you need to smoke in order to have some of those benefits. I'd place my bet on "A FUCK TON", so while i do encourage the research i suspect they will be trying to make a pill out of it and try to take away the making people high part, in order to make it more marketable.
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No side effects, no registered deaths attributed to cannabis ever. Probably one of the safest drugs you could possibly use. There are millions of functional cannabis smokers in society. The idea that everyone who smokes it becomes some lazy teenager, is just totally ridiculous. Arguing cannabis is bad is like arguing the world is flat, it's nonsensical. If people want to smoke some cannabis in there spare time, who really cares tobacco is worse, so is alcohol and so is just about everything else you could possibly do. Walking up a steep hill is more dangerous.
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On April 03 2011 07:26 bRuTaL!! wrote:
What about schizophrenia? If its cancer your concerned about, eat "super" foods...
MJ can trigger schizophrenia if you use in conjunction with amphetamines and you're genetically predisposed to it. So if you have a history of schizophrenia in your family you should be careful.
And what super foods are you referring to, and where are the studies that offer support for their supposed anti-tumour effects? If you had cancer you'd should be exploring every possible treatment, including MJ.
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On April 03 2011 12:36 a176 wrote:
California's marijuana bill was perhaps the best written marijuana bill I've seen.
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it was voted 54% no, 46% yes.
It was literally that close to passing. Such is the times we live in. I hope you know that Obama vs McCain ended 53%-46% and was considered a landslide. An 8 point defeat is not "close" to passing.
(edit: those 8 points in the Prop 19 Vote were equal to approx 700,000 votes which is bigger than the entire population of Washington DC, Baltimore, Boston, or numerous other large cities)
To those arguing federal legalization of marijuana, there is close to 0% chance that it will happen in the next 25 years (that being a very conservative and generous number). America is way too socially conservative at this point to even begin considering legalizing marijuana on a federal level. Look at our Congress where ultimately nearly every decision is based on getting reelected.
Every super-liberal Democrat in the House working out of a safe district who steps up and votes in favor of it will have a huge target on their back. They will face against mobilization and fundraising on an unprecedented scale in their next election as conservative money starts flowing into the district from the outside. Even someone from leadership like Pelosi or CVH might risk their seats if they co-sponsored a bill like that. That doesn't even begin to consider the fact that any chance of higher office would be shattered (Senate for Reps, President for Senators, reelection for Presidents). Ultimately, the elected official would be martyring him or herself to a cause. Nobody is going to even dare (or waste time to) take a whip count on it for at least 20 years.
Assuming it reaches the Senate, there will be a line of 40+ senators trying to take the hero filibuster in order to combat the "drug problem in America" and look tough on crime. Since they have to act based on a larger and probably more moderate constituency, there is a miniscule chance that 60 senators will approve. Look at a list of the 100 senators right now and I can assure you that you won't hit 10 senators who would even consider it. Also, remember that more than a quarter of all senators are probably considering a presidential bid in the future and this will surely kill that chance, something that they're not willing to do.
In the miraculous chance that it actually makes it to the Oval, any president even remotely considering their legacy or reelection will auto-veto it. By the way, just to give some perspective, over the last 4 administrations, there has been a 7% success rate in overriding vetoes. Reelection will be impossible since this will spark another WillieHorton-like vicious attack. A lame duck president might be willing to sign it (I doubt he would anyways) but once again it would never get there.
I'm personally undecided regarding the issue and the morality behind it. However, I do think it is a monumental waste of time arguing its legalization. It won't happen for many many years, if ever. Also, all of the speculative numbers I provided were REALLY generous. Sorry if this sounded lecture-y but really there are better things to argue about than legalization of marijuana.
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On April 03 2011 16:01 redtooth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2011 12:36 a176 wrote:
California's marijuana bill was perhaps the best written marijuana bill I've seen.
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it was voted 54% no, 46% yes.
It was literally that close to passing. Such is the times we live in. I hope you know that Obama vs McCain ended 53%-46% and was considered a landslide. An 8 point defeat is not "close" to passing. To those arguing federal legalization of marijuana, there is close to 0% chance that it will happen in the next 25 years (that being a very conservative and generous number). America is way too socially conservative at this point to even begin considering legalizing marijuana on a federal level. Look at our Congress where ultimately nearly every decision is based on getting reelected. Every super-liberal Democrat in the House working out of a safe district who steps up and votes in favor of it will have a huge target on their back. They will face against mobilization and fundraising on an unprecedented scale in their next election as conservative money starts flowing into the district from the outside. Even someone from leadership like Pelosi or CVH might risk their seats if they co-sponsored a bill like that. That doesn't even begin to consider the fact that any chance of higher office would be shattered (Senate for Reps, President for Senators, reelection for Presidents). Ultimately, the elected official would be martyring him or herself to a cause. Nobody is going to even dare (or waste time to) take a whip count on it for at least 20 years. Assuming it reaches the Senate, there will be a line of 40+ senators trying to take the hero filibuster in order to combat the "drug problem in America" and look tough on crime. Since they have to act based on a larger and probably more moderate constituency, there is a miniscule chance that 60 senators will approve. Look at a list of the 100 senators right now and I can assure you that you won't hit 10 senators who would even consider it. Also, remember that more than a quarter of all senators are probably considering a presidential bid in the future and this will surely kill that chance, something that they're not willing to do. In the miraculous chance that it actually makes it to the Oval, any president even remotely considering their legacy or reelection will auto-veto it. By the way, just to give some perspective, over the last 4 administrations, there has been a 7% success rate in overriding vetoes. Reelection will be impossible since this will spark another WillieHorton-like vicious attack. A lame duck president might be willing to sign it (I doubt he would anyways) but once again it would never get there. I'm personally undecided regarding the issue and the morality behind it. However, I do think it is a monumental waste of time arguing its legalization. It won't happen for many many years, if ever. Also, all of the speculative numbers I provided were REALLY generous. Sorry if this sounded lecture-y but really there are better things to argue about than legalization of marijuana.
You also have to consider that marijuana won't be legalized because pharmaceutical companies won't be able to profit from it because they can't patent plants. If there was some way the corporations of America could profit from it, it would be legalized already.
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On April 03 2011 16:09 craz3d wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2011 16:01 redtooth wrote:On April 03 2011 12:36 a176 wrote:
California's marijuana bill was perhaps the best written marijuana bill I've seen.
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it was voted 54% no, 46% yes.
It was literally that close to passing. Such is the times we live in. I hope you know that Obama vs McCain ended 53%-46% and was considered a landslide. An 8 point defeat is not "close" to passing. To those arguing federal legalization of marijuana, there is close to 0% chance that it will happen in the next 25 years (that being a very conservative and generous number). America is way too socially conservative at this point to even begin considering legalizing marijuana on a federal level. Look at our Congress where ultimately nearly every decision is based on getting reelected. Every super-liberal Democrat in the House working out of a safe district who steps up and votes in favor of it will have a huge target on their back. They will face against mobilization and fundraising on an unprecedented scale in their next election as conservative money starts flowing into the district from the outside. Even someone from leadership like Pelosi or CVH might risk their seats if they co-sponsored a bill like that. That doesn't even begin to consider the fact that any chance of higher office would be shattered (Senate for Reps, President for Senators, reelection for Presidents). Ultimately, the elected official would be martyring him or herself to a cause. Nobody is going to even dare (or waste time to) take a whip count on it for at least 20 years. Assuming it reaches the Senate, there will be a line of 40+ senators trying to take the hero filibuster in order to combat the "drug problem in America" and look tough on crime. Since they have to act based on a larger and probably more moderate constituency, there is a miniscule chance that 60 senators will approve. Look at a list of the 100 senators right now and I can assure you that you won't hit 10 senators who would even consider it. Also, remember that more than a quarter of all senators are probably considering a presidential bid in the future and this will surely kill that chance, something that they're not willing to do. In the miraculous chance that it actually makes it to the Oval, any president even remotely considering their legacy or reelection will auto-veto it. By the way, just to give some perspective, over the last 4 administrations, there has been a 7% success rate in overriding vetoes. Reelection will be impossible since this will spark another WillieHorton-like vicious attack. A lame duck president might be willing to sign it (I doubt he would anyways) but once again it would never get there. I'm personally undecided regarding the issue and the morality behind it. However, I do think it is a monumental waste of time arguing its legalization. It won't happen for many many years, if ever. Also, all of the speculative numbers I provided were REALLY generous. Sorry if this sounded lecture-y but really there are better things to argue about than legalization of marijuana. You also have to consider that marijuana won't be legalized because pharmaceutical companies won't be able to profit from it because they can't patent plants. If there was some way the corporations of America could profit from it, it would be legalized already. No, it won't. The reasons are listed above.
How are pharmaceutical companies going to push it? By offering money for campaigns. If you are even in a position to co-sponsor or even support a marijuana bill, you won't be needing money for reelection and pandering to the pharmaceuticals is a waste of your time. On the other hand, all the money in the world won't win you a campaign in 99% of districts if your opponent is attacking your voting record for being pro-marijuana.
The U.S. Federal Government isn't a big conspiracy with strings being pulled by companies. It comes down to elections and this is one subject where pharmaceuticals will have little to no pull.
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On April 03 2011 16:09 craz3d wrote:
You also have to consider that marijuana won't be legalized because pharmaceutical companies won't be able to profit from it because they can't patent plants. If there was some way the corporations of America could profit from it, it would be legalized already.
Anyone can grow there own cannabis, thats almost communism. Can't have that.
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On April 03 2011 16:09 craz3d wrote:
You also have to consider that marijuana won't be legalized because pharmaceutical companies won't be able to profit from it because they can't patent plants. If there was some way the corporations of America could profit from it, it would be legalized already.
They can and have patented plants. All they have to do is genetically modify them first. It's been done with Soy beans already. Just google Monsanto.
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On April 03 2011 15:51 PhiGgoT wrote:It's ridiculous that YOU a med student is going around here saying shit like "acute psychosis" and "delusions" from weed lol, please, please do not be my doctor if I ever need one. I use to smoke tons of weed for 4 years straight and never once have I "hallucinated" or had any psychosis or whatever term you want to define it as. The only place where I can see you having a point is "thought disorder (lol btw)". I had some thought disorder ( when your mind just wanders) which pretty much went away in a week (understandably) after quitting. and yes there is no way to measure any "delusions" or "psychosis", but i know from personal experience that everything youve been spewing out of that mouth makes it sound much worst than it is. any symptoms or side affects one might have are pretty much non factors from long term smoking of weed (unless we are talking like decades here then who knows..) even then I know people that have been smoking for more than that and are still fine. I dont really see why people want weed to be legal, i remember being 13 and 14 running around stores with friends picking up bottles and shit, pretty much just doing it wrong and being stupid. Maybe its easier to say this in cali but weed is practically nothing here even if you dont have a card, you might get a fine if you're stupid enough to get pulled over with it on you or something. But my point is, why would you want your kids to have easy access to it? It certainly isn't anything kids should be doing because it makes *most* people lazy (some people actually do better on it) If you wanna smoke it you still can, and if you dont mind your kids smoking it dont you atleast want to introduce it to them the correct way yourself instead of running around with their friends or so? In the end I think the laws are in place to protect the youth. The adults can do whatever they want
You really don't have a clue how easy it is to get cannabis or any illegal drug do you? As we speak i could make 1 call and get absolutely anything delivered within 30 minutes all because i know a number. I could for instance give these numbers to a couple teenagers tell them my name and they would now be able to get anything they want as long as they have money, as you see unlike regulated drugs dealers don't give a shit how old you are.
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On April 03 2011 15:51 PhiGgoT wrote:It's ridiculous that YOU a med student is going around here saying shit like "acute psychosis" and "delusions" from weed lol, please, please do not be my doctor if I ever need one. I use to smoke tons of weed for 4 years straight and never once have I "hallucinated" or had any psychosis or whatever term you want to define it as. The only place where I can see you having a point is "thought disorder (lol btw)". I had some thought disorder ( when your mind just wanders) which pretty much went away in a week (understandably) after quitting. and yes there is no way to measure any "delusions" or "psychosis", but i know from personal experience that everything youve been spewing out of that mouth makes it sound much worst than it is. any symptoms or side affects one might have are pretty much non factors from long term smoking of weed (unless we are talking like decades here then who knows..) even then I know people that have been smoking for more than that and are still fine. I dont really see why people want weed to be legal, i remember being 13 and 14 running around stores with friends picking up bottles and shit, pretty much just doing it wrong and being stupid. Maybe its easier to say this in cali but weed is practically nothing here even if you dont have a card, you might get a fine if you're stupid enough to get pulled over with it on you or something. But my point is, why would you want your kids to have easy access to it? It certainly isn't anything kids should be doing because it makes *most* people lazy (some people actually do better on it) If you wanna smoke it you still can, and if you dont mind your kids smoking it dont you atleast want to introduce it to them the correct way yourself instead of running around with their friends or so? In the end I think the laws are in place to protect the youth. The adults can do whatever they want
It's because weed would be a lot harder to get for kids if it were legal. Instead of some shady dealer selling kids weed cause he doesn't care, you'd have stores refusing sales to minors as well as high fines/jail time for people supplying minors with mj
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8 Pages of people writeing "someone somewhere did something that PROVES..." but noone links sources.... so can´t realy see how your so called "prooff is something more then a joke.
Personally, never done drugs, never wanted them either. I drinks about 4-5 beers a year. but i realy do believe its your life and as long as they allow cigarettes i dont feel they should ban other kinda addictive stuff.
So i hope that cigarettes become illegal sone..
PS... im a smoker.
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On April 03 2011 15:51 PhiGgoT wrote:It's ridiculous that YOU a med student is going around here saying shit like "acute psychosis" and "delusions" from weed lol, please, please do not be my doctor if I ever need one. I use to smoke tons of weed for 4 years straight and never once have I "hallucinated" or had any psychosis or whatever term you want to define it as. The only place where I can see you having a point is "thought disorder (lol btw)". I had some thought disorder ( when your mind just wanders) which pretty much went away in a week (understandably) after quitting. and yes there is no way to measure any "delusions" or "psychosis", but i know from personal experience that everything youve been spewing out of that mouth makes it sound much worst than it is. any symptoms or side affects one might have are pretty much non factors from long term smoking of weed (unless we are talking like decades here then who knows..) even then I know people that have been smoking for more than that and are still fine. I dont really see why people want weed to be legal, i remember being 13 and 14 running around stores with friends picking up bottles and shit, pretty much just doing it wrong and being stupid. Maybe its easier to say this in cali but weed is practically nothing here even if you dont have a card, you might get a fine if you're stupid enough to get pulled over with it on you or something. But my point is, why would you want your kids to have easy access to it? It certainly isn't anything kids should be doing because it makes *most* people lazy (some people actually do better on it) If you wanna smoke it you still can, and if you dont mind your kids smoking it dont you atleast want to introduce it to them the correct way yourself instead of running around with their friends or so? In the end I think the laws are in place to protect the youth. The adults can do whatever they want
Lol? I don't care what you smoke or how often you smoke it. If you come to me complaining of sickness, I'll treat you. A doctor's job is to treat illness and advise you on how to live your life, not enforce it. Key thing is, the patients come to us. We don't go to them. Do what ever you want with your life, I honestly don't care.
edit: And just because you personally haven't hallucinated or had delusions whilst smoking weed, it means it doesn't happen? LOL! I know plenty of people who have smoked weed and reported these symptoms. I've smoked myself and had it happen, on multiple occasions. Once I was with my friends, and we were walking through the park and I thought some one was chasing us. I also thought parked cars were moving and leaving a slow-motion time trail of their previous movements. I was experiencing an episode of acute drug-induced psychosis. I also have many other friends who smoke weed all the time and are hardly affected by it. It does different things to different people. If you don't like the word "psychosis", fine, I don't care. If you think "psychosis" means murdering babies and being a bad, evil person, that's your fault for not understanding what the word means.
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Smoking up cures cancer kids!
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On April 03 2011 07:52 Almin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2011 07:30 chonkyfire wrote:On April 03 2011 07:27 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:
that MJ has been linked to triggering a psychosis or paranoid episodes in people who are sensitive for it, that's also hard to deny.
marijuana in high doses does cause acute psychosis along with numerous other drugs The % of getting dementia later in life from marijuana has proven in studies to be very very low, like 1-2% higher then a person who never smoked pot, might be just a coincidence since the % is so small.
In psychiatric studies, I think that anything below 5% is an allowed statistic deviation(dunno how it's called in english. it's a deviation that's well within a statistic boundary, like saying "50 years, give or take five years" hope that makes more sense now), meaning it's pretty much there just to say "yeah, so we proved that there are no ill effects, but people still don't believe us, so we're putting this here to make them think that they're right."
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On April 03 2011 15:51 PhiGgoT wrote:
It's ridiculous that YOU a med student is going around here saying shit like "acute psychosis" and "delusions" from weed lol, please, please do not be my doctor if I ever need one. I use to smoke tons of weed for 4 years straight and never once have I "hallucinated" or had any psychosis or whatever term you want to define it as.
I know somebody who smoked two packs a day and didn't get lung cancer. Anecdotes are evidence guys.
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Way to start the endless debate. I wonder how many forums iv'e read had this same discussion all the time.
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On April 03 2011 08:08 Kaonis wrote:
To the stoners: Do you -really- want to see marijuana legalized? Think about it: once it is, the government will have to regulate it. And tax it. And a company will come along to distribute it. And they'll decide how much they charge for it. Which will be a lot. And anyone caught with their own will be considered a thief.
I'd just prefer it to be decriminalized, not "legalized".
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On April 03 2011 07:46 Fyodor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2011 07:22 zalz wrote:
Cannabis could cure everything known to man and people would still not want to see it legalized.
This report once agains shows that the stuff isn't just harmless, it's even beneficial. The stigma however is just too great, an entire generation has been brought up on the notion that weed makes you want to kill your family.
Atleast it's semi-legal in my country, that still leaves it up in the air and very easy to ban. I don't even use the stuff and i still want to see police do real police work rather then going after people that smoke weed whilst child-porn cases are left on the shelves due to understaffing. You're completely out of your mind if you think child-porn cases are under-enforced. In the grand scheme of societal harm, they are likely the most disproportionately high-priority crimes in any system of law. Think of all the meth labs, weed plantations, work camps and slave labor in the world and then stop to think about the people that put together child porn to make money. Oh wait, you can't? That's right, nobody makes money from producing child porn and no actual children are really at risk as we speak. It's illegal and stigmatized so much that people don't wanna touch or be associated with it so it's a problem that will never grow. Domestic abuse and sexual predators are a real problem make no mistake about that but there is no child porn industry in the same sense as drugs constitute an industry. Largely an imaginary evil.
For your information, a worldwide childporn ring has just been uncovered. Key people got nabbed all over the world. Not quite like the depraved uncle taking some nasty pictures. More like a syndicate. Also not quite imaginary.
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On April 03 2011 07:16 dANiELcanuck wrote:
At the very least, this leaves the Feds in a tough spot with marijuana as a Schedule 1 narcotic/drug.
Best unintentional pun I've read all day!
From the personal experience of a close relative who's life was drastically improved by the benefits of medicinal marijuana; people are far too hasty to dismiss it and over emphasize it's detrimental effects. Especially when you consider it alongside other legal substances such as nicotine and alcohol.
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