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Please guys, stay on topic.
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On September 03 2013 02:00 TheOneWhoKnocks wrote:
It wasn't long ago that the US got 48 countries to support a ground invasion of Iraq, actual boots on the ground. There was no war going on, chemical weapons were not being used, but 48 countries agreed to invade.
Please, check the background on that one. Iraq invaded a sovereign country ffs.
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On September 03 2013 02:04 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 02:00 TheOneWhoKnocks wrote:
It wasn't long ago that the US got 48 countries to support a ground invasion of Iraq, actual boots on the ground. There was no war going on, chemical weapons were not being used, but 48 countries agreed to invade.
Please, check the background on that one. Iraq invaded a sovereign country ffs.
In 1990???
I'm talking about the 2003 invasion, not the Gulf War
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I'm always in favor of ending dictators but this smells fish just like iraq..
What would Assad gain in using those weapons? NOTHING!
Do you think he needs to use Sarin Gas to kill people? they have soldiers, militias, bombs, planes, boats, missiles to do that shit..
HE HAD EVERYTHING TO LOOSE IN USING TOXIC GAS and nothing to gain
Now the international community(meaning Israel and USA) won't stop until they get him, because they had the excuse for it.. that is all they ever wanted.. a fucking excuse! Now they can invade and attack all they want, without any EVIDENCE!
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On September 03 2013 02:09 TheOneWhoKnocks wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 02:04 Godwrath wrote:On September 03 2013 02:00 TheOneWhoKnocks wrote:
It wasn't long ago that the US got 48 countries to support a ground invasion of Iraq, actual boots on the ground. There was no war going on, chemical weapons were not being used, but 48 countries agreed to invade.
Please, check the background on that one. Iraq invaded a sovereign country ffs. In 1990??? I'm talking about the 2003 invasion, not the Gulf War
My bad, thought you were talking about the Gulf War and not the WMD's stupidity that Iraq war was, and which is the main reason why most countries remain skeptical to consider US intel anymore to support international military interventions.
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On September 03 2013 02:00 TheOneWhoKnocks wrote:
It wasn't long ago that the US got 48 countries to support a ground invasion of Iraq, actual boots on the ground. There was no war going on, chemical weapons were not being used, but 48 countries agreed to invade.
Now you have Syria, where an actual war is taking place, chemical weapons have been used, over 100,000 people killed, and nobody even wants to launch a few rockets from miles away. Not even Great Britain will join the US, won't even lend a plane to strike. France is the only supporter?
My, how quickly and how high the pendulum swings, how fickle populations are. We swing from one extreme to another.
That's a very nice description of the two situations.
The difference being that now Russia is ready to maul.
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On September 03 2013 02:00 TheOneWhoKnocks wrote:
It wasn't long ago that the US got 48 countries to support a ground invasion of Iraq, actual boots on the ground. There was no war going on, chemical weapons were not being used, but 48 countries agreed to invade.
Now you have Syria, where an actual war is taking place, chemical weapons have been used, over 100,000 people killed, and nobody even wants to launch a few rockets from miles away. Not even Great Britain will join the US, won't even lend a plane to strike. France is the only supporter?
My, how quickly and how high the pendulum swings, how fickle populations are. We swing from one extreme to another.
People were shocked about 9/11. Now arabs/terrorist/AQ/radicalists haven't done anything major in years
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On September 03 2013 03:14 zezamer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 02:00 TheOneWhoKnocks wrote:
It wasn't long ago that the US got 48 countries to support a ground invasion of Iraq, actual boots on the ground. There was no war going on, chemical weapons were not being used, but 48 countries agreed to invade.
Now you have Syria, where an actual war is taking place, chemical weapons have been used, over 100,000 people killed, and nobody even wants to launch a few rockets from miles away. Not even Great Britain will join the US, won't even lend a plane to strike. France is the only supporter?
My, how quickly and how high the pendulum swings, how fickle populations are. We swing from one extreme to another. People were shocked about 9/11. Now arabs/terrorist/AQ/radicalists haven't done anything major in years
Do you mean on American soil, or have you forgotten what happened in Benghazi among a host of other places?
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At least three chemical attacks were staged in Syria between April and August, a declassified French intelligence report claims, while President Bashar Assad said it was “illogical” for the government to launch a chemical weapons strike.
The declassified nine-page French intelligence report, issued by the country’s external and military services, suggests government forces loyal to President Assad were behind the attack, which took place on August 21 in eastern Ghouta, on the outskirts of Damascus.
Source
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Whats the problem ? The U.S.A. has troops in every country why ? They wanna dominate. Syria has a civil war so why is the U.S. involved, for land, they give weapons so the opposition doesn't get land, same thing they did to Bosnia. U.S. gave us weapons to defend against the Serbs because the Russians gave weapons to the Serbs. U.S. didn't want the Russia or Serbs to control more land and set up their military, they're both orthodox Christians. Bosnia is the only muslim country in Europe and after Tito died the serbs felt like they had the most weapons and attacked, mass graves of dead bodies, I went thru the war and I have gone thru a lot of painful things which I remember to this day. My mom and my auntie my sister and myself were on a bus going to Germany as refugees and before the serbs soldier with the ak47 came on my mother told me to lay in the middle of the bus and she covered herself on top of me right after she out girl shoes on me, we survived. My dad was in a concentration camp for almost a whole year and that's the reason we were able to come to Canada. A lot of people just talk but have no clue about how it really is in a war and how innocent kids lose their lives because of people in power thinking it's maybe they right move or just because they want more land or oil. It's discusting.
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On September 03 2013 03:58 bosnia wrote:
Whats the problem ? The U.S.A. has troops in every country why ? They wanna dominate. Syria has a civil war so why is the U.S. involved, for land, they give weapons so the opposition doesn't get land, same thing they did to Bosnia. U.S. gave us weapons to defend against the Serbs because the Russians gave weapons to the Serbs. U.S. didn't want the Russia or Serbs to control more land and set up their military, they're both orthodox Christians. Bosnia is the only muslim country in Europe and after Tito died the serbs felt like they had the most weapons and attacked, mass graves of dead bodies, I went thru the war and I have gone thru a lot of painful things which I remember to this day. My mom and my auntie my sister and myself were on a bus going to Germany as refugees and before the serbs soldier with the ak47 came on my mother told me to lay in the middle of the bus and she covered herself on top of me right after she out girl shoes on me, we survived. My dad was in a concentration camp for almost a whole year and that's the reason we were able to come to Canada. A lot of people just talk but have no clue about how it really is in a war and how innocent kids lose their lives because of people in power thinking it's maybe they right move or just because they want more land or oil. It's discusting.
I'm not sure what you're talking about, but the Serbs, headed by Slobodan Milosevic, were killing minorities by the thousands. So yes, international powers wanted to stop that.
Furthermore, the connection between the conflict in Bosnia and the one in Syria is going to require more than a mere personal anecdote.
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Ok Im sorry you totally didn't understand what I said, you obviously have no idea about whats going on. Most people care more about what miley cyrus did at the awards than whats going on in Syria. You said the serbs killed minorities? There were thousand of graves its the most modern genocide known to man, please look it up and become familiar with your facts. Seems to me like your stating your personal opinion as well except you haven't seen anything that I have. I just feel so sorry for those innocent lives.
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Why do you think the internation powers wanted to stop it after almost two years after watching it on CNN, because so many other countries were pissed off nobody was doing anything about it. Nobody helps until it benefits them to do so. You think the U.S.A sends soldiers to war because they want to help out? They send soldiers because they want to secure land, Military positions, it's been talked about by Clinton, Bush, Obama,
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On September 03 2013 03:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +At least three chemical attacks were staged in Syria between April and August, a declassified French intelligence report claims, while President Bashar Assad said it was “illogical” for the government to launch a chemical weapons strike.
The declassified nine-page French intelligence report, issued by the country’s external and military services, suggests government forces loyal to President Assad were behind the attack, which took place on August 21 in eastern Ghouta, on the outskirts of Damascus. Source
The document is here.
scribd declassified info from french intel
of course since it's declassified information, it doesn't outright tell the exact sources and stays a bit vague. the rest is still classified and accessible only to authorized people.
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The German intelligence agency has enough evidence in its possession to conclude President Bashar Assad ordered the suspected chemical attack in Syria, Germany’s Der Spiegel reports, quoting the results of a secret security briefing.
Source
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On September 03 2013 02:00 TheOneWhoKnocks wrote:
Now you have Syria, where an actual war is taking place, chemical weapons have been used, over 100,000 people killed, and nobody even wants to launch a few rockets from miles away. Not even Great Britain will join the US, won't even lend a plane to strike. France is the only supporter?
Trust is kind of a thin commodity in the MidEast. You can't really blame them for being so reluctant, especially with what happened to the transitional government in Libya.
They have officially stayed out of this cesspit for two years and it's likely going to stay that way for a while longer or until this mess is over.
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On September 03 2013 04:05 bosnia wrote:
Ok Im sorry you totally didn't understand what I said, you obviously have no idea about whats going on. Most people care more about what miley cyrus did at the awards than whats going on in Syria. You said the serbs killed minorities? There were thousand of graves its the most modern genocide known to man, please look it up and become familiar with your facts. Seems to me like your stating your personal opinion as well except you haven't seen anything that I have. I just feel so sorry for those innocent lives.
When you spend the bulk of a post telling the other person how wrong they are instead of showing how wrong they are, it becomes clear that you don't have a leg to stand on. And while this isn't the thread for it, you would do well to read this, as it lays out quite clearly that Serbs were the chief perpetrators of war crimes.
In what is believed to be the most comprehensive United States assessment of atrocities in Bosnia, the Central Intelligence Agency has concluded that 90 percent of the acts of "ethnic cleansing" were carried out by Serbs and that leading Serbian politicians almost certainly played a role in the crimes.
The C.I.A. report, based on aerial photography and what one senior official called "an enormous amount of precise technical analysis," also concludes that while war crimes were by no means committed exclusively by Serbs, they were the only party involved in a systematic attempt to eliminate all traces of other ethnic groups from their territory.
C.I.A. Report on Bosnia Blames Serbs for 90% of the War Crimes
And again, all this revisionist history has nothing to do with the war in Syria, as much as you'd like to say that it does.
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I haven't really been keeping with this Syrian situation. From what I'm gathering, Assad used chemical weapons on rebels. Obama wants to step in with military action, however doesn't want a regime change? Congress doesn't seem convinced to do anything regarding Syria. Watching CNN right now, with McCain speaking, he says he wants "strong response" from US. But doesn't seem to bring up regime change in the response. The problem with support rebels is that they have a strong Al Queda influence? Right?
EDIT: looks like McCain just brought up Assad leaving if the tides turn on him, but seemed more hypothetical than an actual forced response by America.
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On September 03 2013 03:14 zezamer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 02:00 TheOneWhoKnocks wrote:
It wasn't long ago that the US got 48 countries to support a ground invasion of Iraq, actual boots on the ground. There was no war going on, chemical weapons were not being used, but 48 countries agreed to invade.
Now you have Syria, where an actual war is taking place, chemical weapons have been used, over 100,000 people killed, and nobody even wants to launch a few rockets from miles away. Not even Great Britain will join the US, won't even lend a plane to strike. France is the only supporter?
My, how quickly and how high the pendulum swings, how fickle populations are. We swing from one extreme to another. People were shocked about 9/11. Now arabs/terrorist/AQ/radicalists haven't done anything major in years
Nice how you equall arabs with terrorists and AQ and radicalists in this post.
Guess this is the way manny people see the world now,its sad kinda what the world has become to
The end of the cold war should have brought an era of peace and mutual understanding, but the complete opposite has happend.People now hate arabs like they hated communists and the empire of evil.
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Now your just being ignorant, I watch news everyday instead of posting on TL as much as you do. I've been in a war you haven't, I actually have memories you just have thoughts and opinions, you think about what might be true and you feel like you have to put your two cents in while I actually talk about what has happened. I'm not trying to connect Bosnia to Syria, I'm connecting civial war to civil war and the United States once again feeling like they have to be in the middle of it all. Didn't you watch Obama when he said he would try his best to stay out of countries? And when he said he would help out, how is he helping out? He actually just went in because it's the best for his own interests. So please before you start copy and pasting links you actually have to have some knowledge about what you're trying to say. I'm not here to argue with someone that just feels mad if his point that he's trying to make is totally invalid. Your one of those people that almost cries when his opinion doesn't seem right and I feel bad for you, I understand your trying to somehow believe the things you are saying are right but they are not, you just misunderstood me completely.
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On September 03 2013 04:22 bosnia wrote:
Now your just being ignorant, I watch news everyday instead of posting on TL as much as you do. I've been in a war you haven't, I actually haven't memories you just have thoughts and opinions, you think about what might be true and you feel like you have to put your two cents in while I actually talk about what has happened. I'm not trying to connect Bosnia to Syria, I'm connecting civial war to civil war and the United States once again feeling like they have to be in the middle of it all. Didn't you watch Obama when he said he would try his best to stay out of countries? And when he said he would help out, how is he helping out? He actually just went in because it's the best for his own interests. So please before you start copy and pasting links you actually have to have some knowledge about what you're trying to say. I'm not here to argue with someone that just feels mad if his point that he's trying to make is totally invalid. Your one of those people that almost cries when his opinion doesn't seem right and I feel bad for you, I understand your trying to somehow believe the things you are saying are right but they are not, you just misunderstood me completely.
Looking past all of your meaningless whine, why do you think nations like Turkey, France, and Australia are all for intervention? And what exactly does the US stand to gain from an air strike campaign that does not include boots on the ground? (which is likely going to be the chief means of intervention)
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