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Please guys, stay on topic.

This thread is about the situation in Iraq and Syria.
publicenemies
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
458 Posts
September 02 2013 09:26 GMT
#2141
Have anyone beside the US confirms that there are usage of chemical weapons over there? If it's only the US, then I'm pretty sure these are the people that said there were WMD over in Iraq..
publicenemies
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
458 Posts
September 02 2013 09:27 GMT
#2142
On September 02 2013 18:26 publicenemies wrote:
Have anyone beside the US confirms that there are usage of chemical weapons over there? If it's only the US, then I'm pretty sure those are the people that said there were WMD over in Iraq..



User was warned for this post
Rosie
Profile Joined July 2013
Russian Federation16 Posts
September 02 2013 10:09 GMT
#2143
to believe that the UN is independent, it is still something to believe in aliens. why the UN can remain independent? why the United States can not put there his people. foolish to believe that one party says, is not considered the opinion of the other side.
vk.com/lalqua
Rosie
Profile Joined July 2013
Russian Federation16 Posts
September 02 2013 10:36 GMT
#2144
Putin vs Rothschild, was is going on
vk.com/lalqua
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
September 02 2013 11:37 GMT
#2145
Syria's electronic war bureau is sick. Well, expected if they trained in russia.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/503037/20130902/syrian-electronic-army-hacks-marine-website-hacked.htm

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My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
September 02 2013 11:51 GMT
#2146
On September 02 2013 20:37 Steveling wrote:
Syria's electronic war bureau is sick. Well, expected if they trained in russia.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/503037/20130902/syrian-electronic-army-hacks-marine-website-hacked.htm

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It is only sick if it is not true.
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
September 02 2013 12:01 GMT
#2147
But it is. Didn't you visit the link.

Also these photos have all being circulating separately in the internet in the last few days, it's not some syrians dressed up as us soldiers to fake them.
SEA just collected them all to prove their point.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
heliusx
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States2306 Posts
September 02 2013 13:40 GMT
#2148
Hacking a website? That's for beginners.
dude bro.
iMOOrtal
Profile Joined March 2013
Canada144 Posts
September 02 2013 14:14 GMT
#2149
On September 02 2013 18:26 publicenemies wrote:
Have anyone beside the US confirms that there are usage of chemical weapons over there? If it's only the US, then I'm pretty sure these are the people that said there were WMD over in Iraq..


If you consider NATO "anyone else" then yes, they have.
Nine to Five? Or, Five to Nine?
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
September 02 2013 14:21 GMT
#2150
On September 02 2013 17:14 Ghanburighan wrote:
That's a good example, boys and girls, why you don't look for news in random youtube videos (referring to promiseme's post). - they are full of flat out verifiable lies. For example consider the claim that "the previous UN inspection team found that rebels used chemical weapons" (02.35) There was no earlier UN inspection team, and there is no UN report that the rebels used chemical weapons. And this is easily verified as you can check for UN reports.

I stopped soon after when he was offering a conspiracy theory regarding the FED. Go read verified news sources which fact check their claims. The reason why this guy isn't more well known is not that he's shunned by main stream media or whatnot, it's because he is full of shit.


there was a previous inspection team back in april and early may which, according to one investigator had "strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof" that the rebels used sarin gas. i have posted this 5-6 times and it was reported on in msm as well.
conspired against by a confederacy of dunces.
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
September 02 2013 14:25 GMT
#2151
On September 02 2013 23:14 iMOOrtal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 18:26 publicenemies wrote:
Have anyone beside the US confirms that there are usage of chemical weapons over there? If it's only the US, then I'm pretty sure these are the people that said there were WMD over in Iraq..


If you consider NATO "anyone else" then yes, they have.

German intelligence, french intelligence, british intelligence and soon the UN investigators will have confirmed it too. This is similar to yugoslavia, not iraq.
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
September 02 2013 14:30 GMT
#2152
On September 02 2013 23:21 nunez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 17:14 Ghanburighan wrote:
That's a good example, boys and girls, why you don't look for news in random youtube videos (referring to promiseme's post). - they are full of flat out verifiable lies. For example consider the claim that "the previous UN inspection team found that rebels used chemical weapons" (02.35) There was no earlier UN inspection team, and there is no UN report that the rebels used chemical weapons. And this is easily verified as you can check for UN reports.

I stopped soon after when he was offering a conspiracy theory regarding the FED. Go read verified news sources which fact check their claims. The reason why this guy isn't more well known is not that he's shunned by main stream media or whatnot, it's because he is full of shit.


there was a previous inspection team back in april and early may which, according to one investigator had "strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof" that the rebels used sarin gas. i have posted this 5-6 times and it was reported on in msm as well.


Do you mean the Carlo del Ponte utterance? That's a) not a report, b) not a UN inspection.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Mindflow
Profile Joined November 2010
Korea (South)320 Posts
September 02 2013 14:46 GMT
#2153
Syrian air force just bombed Damascus.

Pika Chu
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Romania2510 Posts
September 02 2013 14:52 GMT
#2154
On September 02 2013 20:37 Steveling wrote:
Syria's electronic war bureau is sick. Well, expected if they trained in russia.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/503037/20130902/syrian-electronic-army-hacks-marine-website-hacked.htm

[image loading]


How do you know they've been trained in Russia? And it's not that much, they just defaced a website. To be honest, before SEA i never imagined syria has a decent cyber war department. But if they really do, and it's not just some kids pretending, then they could deal way more damage. It may be the first conflict in which the cyberwarfare is used.
They first ignore you. After they laugh at you. Next they will fight you. In the end you will win.
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-02 15:10:56
September 02 2013 15:06 GMT
#2155
On September 02 2013 23:30 Ghanburighan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 23:21 nunez wrote:
On September 02 2013 17:14 Ghanburighan wrote:
That's a good example, boys and girls, why you don't look for news in random youtube videos (referring to promiseme's post). - they are full of flat out verifiable lies. For example consider the claim that "the previous UN inspection team found that rebels used chemical weapons" (02.35) There was no earlier UN inspection team, and there is no UN report that the rebels used chemical weapons. And this is easily verified as you can check for UN reports.

I stopped soon after when he was offering a conspiracy theory regarding the FED. Go read verified news sources which fact check their claims. The reason why this guy isn't more well known is not that he's shunned by main stream media or whatnot, it's because he is full of shit.


there was a previous inspection team back in april and early may which, according to one investigator had "strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof" that the rebels used sarin gas. i have posted this 5-6 times and it was reported on in msm as well.


Do you mean the Carlo del Ponte utterance? That's a) not a report, b) not a UN inspection.


you are correct.
a United Nations independent panel investigating human rights violations.
it's report was inconclusive on the matter of who used chemical weapons.

it does however state that:
"...there remains no military solution. The conflict will end only through a comprehensive, inclusive political process. The international community must prioritize the de-escalation of the war and work within the framework of the final communiqueé of the Action Group for Syria."

commision page
conspired against by a confederacy of dunces.
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6342 Posts
September 02 2013 15:13 GMT
#2156
On September 02 2013 23:52 Pika Chu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 20:37 Steveling wrote:
Syria's electronic war bureau is sick. Well, expected if they trained in russia.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/503037/20130902/syrian-electronic-army-hacks-marine-website-hacked.htm

[image loading]


How do you know they've been trained in Russia? And it's not that much, they just defaced a website. To be honest, before SEA i never imagined syria has a decent cyber war department. But if they really do, and it's not just some kids pretending, then they could deal way more damage. It may be the first conflict in which the cyberwarfare is used.

It would be really interesting to see the public reaction in America if the wars they are involved in start 'coming home'. Imagine if someone just took out the internet in NA alltogether. Very few countries can reach mainland America with troops so electronic warfare would be the only real offence most countries could put together in the face of NATO aggresion.
Pre-emptive retaliatory de-escalation action
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
September 02 2013 15:19 GMT
#2157
On September 02 2013 23:52 Pika Chu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 20:37 Steveling wrote:
Syria's electronic war bureau is sick. Well, expected if they trained in russia.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/503037/20130902/syrian-electronic-army-hacks-marine-website-hacked.htm

[image loading]


How do you know they've been trained in Russia? And it's not that much, they just defaced a website. To be honest, before SEA i never imagined syria has a decent cyber war department. But if they really do, and it's not just some kids pretending, then they could deal way more damage. It may be the first conflict in which the cyberwarfare is used.



Well they could be some kids pretending, though I'm assuming they aren't since syria-russia military bonds are very strong.

Cyberwarfare definitely is on the table though, the russians have just brought their best anti-intelligence ship in east mediterranean, so we'll see how that turns out.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/02/syria-russia-spy-ship-us-military
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
HeartOfTheSwarm
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
Niue585 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-02 15:54:40
September 02 2013 15:45 GMT
#2158
Iranian ex president says Syria government behind chemical attack
Former Iranian President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani said the Syrian government, a strong ally of Tehran, had carried out chemical weapons attacks against its own people, the semi-official Iranian Labour News Agency reported on Sunday.

"The people have been the target of chemical attacks by their own government and now they must also wait for an attack by foreigners," Rafsanjani said, according to ILNA. "The people of Syria have seen much damage in these two years."
source

This was apparently denied later on by the officials in Iran

Lavrov brushes aside Western evidence suggesting that Syrian regime was behind chemical attack
The AP new agency reports on Russian foreign minister Sergey Lavrov's latest rejection of western intelligence against the Assad regime:

Evidence of alleged chemical weapons use by the Syrian regime presented to Moscow by the US and its allies is "absolutely unconvincing", Russia's foreign minister said.

Lavrov said: there was nothing specific there, no geographic coordinates, no names, no proof that the tests were carried out by the professionals."

He did not describe the tests further. (AJE notes: although the US secretary of State, John Kerry, did say the US had field and blood evidence that sarin was used in the attack on August 21)

Lavrov brushed aside Western evidence of an alleged Syrian regime role. Russia, along with China and Iran, has staunchly backed Assad throughout the conflict.

"What our American, British and French partners showed us in the past and have showed just recently is absolutely unconvincing," Lavrov said at Russia's top diplomatic school. "And when you ask for more detailed proof they say all of this is classified so we cannot show this to you."
source
"I do not join. I lead." - Queen of Blades
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
September 02 2013 16:24 GMT
#2159
da! well put, esteemed comrade sergey lavrov.
conspired against by a confederacy of dunces.
TheOneWhoKnocks
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
160 Posts
September 02 2013 17:00 GMT
#2160
It wasn't long ago that the US got 48 countries to support a ground invasion of Iraq, actual boots on the ground. There was no war going on, chemical weapons were not being used, but 48 countries agreed to invade.

Now you have Syria, where an actual war is taking place, chemical weapons have been used, over 100,000 people killed, and nobody even wants to launch a few rockets from miles away. Not even Great Britain will join the US, won't even lend a plane to strike. France is the only supporter?

My, how quickly and how high the pendulum swings, how fickle populations are. We swing from one extreme to another.
I did it for myself.
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