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ixi.genocide
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States981 Posts
February 20 2011 07:20 GMT
#441
Coming from the parents perspective, yes seeing their child in a video that has explicit lyrics can be jarring and make you want to exact revenge.. In this case I would not be suprised (as it were) to see him brought up on charges. I think that the main thing people are worried about is that this law is a catch-all so to speak and it is meant for pedophiles, NOT prank videos. Saying some dude is getting off on this video (which would be the main reason for an edited video like this) is silly and improbable to say the least. If there was a correct punishment for his crimes at the START of the trial it would be a neglible matter. In reality this should be in civil court.
PylonBuilder
Profile Joined January 2011
United States59 Posts
February 20 2011 07:25 GMT
#442
This is worst than 1 degree murder in some cases.
Phenny
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1435 Posts
February 20 2011 07:28 GMT
#443
Even if it was my kid I wouldn't care, it's just been edited why get your dick in a knot over something so insignificant. It's been removed so there is no longer an issue, sure it was wrong(ish) to show young kids faces without parental consent but really there is no need for any official action because it was just joke and no one suffered in any way.
Some people just get off on complaining and trying to cause shit for other people I swear.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-20 07:31:31
February 20 2011 07:29 GMT
#444
On February 20 2011 16:25 PylonBuilder wrote:
This is worst than 1 degree murder in some cases.

you do know that if you're convicted of 1st degree murder in Michigan you get life in prison no questions.
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(1vbicdmb1wgoca45ssjqsj55))/mileg.aspx?page=getObject&objectName=mcl-750-316

On February 20 2011 16:28 Phenny wrote:
Even if it was my kid I wouldn't care, it's just been edited why get your dick in a knot over something so insignificant. It's been removed so there is no longer an issue, sure it was wrong(ish) to show young kids faces without parental consent but really there is no need for any official action because it was just joke and no one suffered in any way.
Some people just get off on complaining and trying to cause shit for other people I swear.

well if you don't want to have people complaining about how bad your jokes our don't involve their children in them. =p
Phenny
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1435 Posts
February 20 2011 07:42 GMT
#445
On February 20 2011 16:29 semantics wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2011 16:25 PylonBuilder wrote:
This is worst than 1 degree murder in some cases.

you do know that if you're convicted of 1st degree murder in Michigan you get life in prison no questions.
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(1vbicdmb1wgoca45ssjqsj55))/mileg.aspx?page=getObject&objectName=mcl-750-316

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On February 20 2011 16:28 Phenny wrote:
Even if it was my kid I wouldn't care, it's just been edited why get your dick in a knot over something so insignificant. It's been removed so there is no longer an issue, sure it was wrong(ish) to show young kids faces without parental consent but really there is no need for any official action because it was just joke and no one suffered in any way.
Some people just get off on complaining and trying to cause shit for other people I swear.

well if you don't want to have people complaining about how bad your jokes our don't involve their children in them. =p


True, he should have covered himself by trying to get permission (highly unlikely) or blurred their faces (ruining the effect), well he really just shouldn't have bothered in the first place.
Zips
Profile Joined August 2010
United States146 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-20 07:57:18
February 20 2011 07:56 GMT
#446
On February 20 2011 16:06 semantics wrote:
How about i dress up in a kkk uniform and then march in the million man march as a joke. I'm sure everyone will agree that it's a joke and nothing will go wrong at all i mean it's so ludicrous there is no way anyone could mistake it for something else.


"How bout you photoshop a KKK member participating in the million man march," is a more accurate comparison.

And while that might also be in poor taste, there's nothing wrong with it, as the people who happen to see it would recognize it as a joke, and the people marching in the photograph wouldn't actually have cause to be incited -- as there was never actually a KKK member marching in their parade.

BTW, "poor taste" != illegal.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
February 20 2011 08:27 GMT
#447
isn't poor taste illegal? As a society do we not censor each other based on shared beliefs in certain principles. Anyways it's not just the poor taste it's the filming of children without consent for the project that is so over the line, at least to me. Where are the lines? The lines to what is right and wrong when do words become harmful, when do actions become wrong where is this line. It's not an open and shut case it's why we have a judicial system to determine if there is anything wrong in this actions.

after thought
In America with our protestant hard working roots which is strong anti drugs anti laziness and anti sexuality you bet it is. Sexualizing children is a very dangerous line to walk. Look at it this way, what if i video taped you and without you knowing edited it into something distasteful to you then posted it on line for everyone to see. Although not sure on criminal I'm sure there could be a civil suit filed and won on some level. Although i don't want a society that walks on glass shards around each other there still are taboos in our culture, sexulization of children although not as strict as it used to be but in a trusted place like a school and with very young children that's still a taboo on some level. And i think 1st graders count in this.
Zips
Profile Joined August 2010
United States146 Posts
February 20 2011 09:19 GMT
#448
On February 20 2011 17:27 semantics wrote:
isn't poor taste illegal? As a society do we not censor each other based on shared beliefs in certain principles. Anyways it's not just the poor taste it's the filming of children without consent for the project that is so over the line, at least to me. Where are the lines? The lines to what is right and wrong when do words become harmful, when do actions become wrong where is this line. It's not an open and shut case it's why we have a judicial system to determine if there is anything wrong in this actions.

after thought
In America with our protestant hard working roots which is strong anti drugs anti laziness and anti sexuality you bet it is. Sexualizing children is a very dangerous line to walk. Look at it this way, what if i video taped you and without you knowing edited it into something distasteful to you then posted it on line for everyone to see. Although not sure on criminal I'm sure there could be a civil suit filed and won on some level. Although i don't want a society that walks on glass shards around each other there still are taboos in our culture, sexulization of children although not as strict as it used to be but in a trusted place like a school and with very young children that's still a taboo on some level. And i think 1st graders count in this.


Pretty sure poor taste is not illegal..

and there are a lot of children who become sexually active at very young ages, including myself.. I don't think it's a dangerous line to walk.. it's a natural response to raging hormones that your body naturally produces; though, no child should ever be forced into having sex, or introduced to sex against his/her will. That shit is wrong. Baring those conditions, though, it happens on its own at a fairly young age for some of us. I guess it takes longer for others.
Obelisk7
Profile Joined January 2010
Korea (South)65 Posts
February 20 2011 09:25 GMT
#449
Not sure if anything brought this up in the thread yet, but if he gets 20 years for a video like this then wouldn't South Park put the creators in court hands as well?

Also wouldn't something like South Park actually help with his case? Ya it was real kids, but he merely "represented" the sitatuation for humor in the same way South Park "represents" kids for their humor.

Take Nothing For Granted, For Everything Changes.
methematics
Profile Joined August 2010
United States392 Posts
February 20 2011 09:42 GMT
#450
There is a point when excessive punishment leads to excessive crime. for example, if a cop could kill you the spot for speed (a traffic ticket at its most extreme), then theres no cost of the speeder to pull out a gun and try to shoot the cop. There has been heavy economic analysis on this type of shit and this punishment is way to far, if he had produced child porn he would serve no greater penalty. The result is . . . "crimes" like this get worse just by fewer people (but its the fucking internet. . .)
InsaniaK
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden120 Posts
February 20 2011 17:28 GMT
#451
Intelligence of those people must be like a 5th of a normal person, he didn't sing it to the children so they did not come into harm in any way. What kind of fucked up country would call that an offense?
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
February 20 2011 17:33 GMT
#452
Doesn't SNL and The Daily Show do this all the time? I have definitely seen many comedy routines that involve splicing in shots of children in the audience while someone says something obscene. this happens all the time on American T.V. why is this guy in trouble?
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aurawashere
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada454 Posts
February 20 2011 17:39 GMT
#453
Good justice is good. I would imagine most of the TLer's.net don't have children and to have someone even joke about such a matter I would cut that person up with a chainsaw.
TeeF
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1 Post
Last Edited: 2011-02-20 17:42:58
February 20 2011 17:39 GMT
#454
Woah, this is absolutely bull**it

.. I mean, yeah its rude as hell towards the children and their parents, and he should be forced to remove the vid, and give some sort of apology to those involved (Imagine being edited/photoshopped and published online, in regard to something that makes you uncomfortable, thats just rude, and also mixing children and sex is just disgusting, and very poor taste. He should have known how people would react)

...but to even CONSIDER prison is just absurd, and 20 years.. really? /facepalm, people demanding prison for a stupid prank, should really see a doctor, and get whatever is up their butt removed...
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5617 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-20 18:16:07
February 20 2011 17:46 GMT
#455
I saw that video. It was not offensive - maybe slightly for the parents, but still nothing to worry about. This court case is the stupidest most moronic thing I have ever heard of.

American justice system is just hillariously fucked up.

this only has to do with the parents anyway since the children didn't even hear the song. But the bottom line is, if you see the video there is no way of taking it serioulys. It is not more offensive than some month python videos, or the simpsons. And MUCH less offensive than South Park.
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ddrddrddrddr
Profile Joined August 2010
1344 Posts
February 20 2011 17:56 GMT
#456
Slap a 5k fine on him and he'll learn his lesson. Slap a jail sentence on him and society loses a productive member and gains more baggage.
KahunaNui
Profile Joined October 2010
Spain257 Posts
February 20 2011 18:26 GMT
#457
If you're sentenced to life imprisonment in Spain, you can only be actualy imprisoned for 20 years. Ridiculous decision.
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Dr. ROCKZO
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand396 Posts
February 20 2011 18:29 GMT
#458
[image loading]

I still don't know if the prosecutors realize that the children have never heard the song.
or something
Zerksys
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States569 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-20 20:29:30
February 20 2011 20:20 GMT
#459
Dear Rick Snyder (governor of Michigan),

So this is where our tax dollars are going. Thank you!

Seriously though he said in his campaign one of his primary goals is to clean up spending that is not necessary. Being a resident of Michigan I'm kind of mad that spending like this eats up my tax dollars.

Edit: I just thought of something. The parents' purpose in filing suit against this 21 year old was to prevent others from viewing their kids in a negative way am I correct? Isn't filing suit the exact opposite of what that does? It sensationalizes the video! My 2cents
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Darkn3ss
Profile Joined November 2009
United States717 Posts
February 20 2011 21:22 GMT
#460
Omg. Do you guys not realize that it's more about children's parents than it is about the children themselves?

Just like someone above mentioned "million man march". Some people might find it funny. Some people might frown upon it. Some people (mostly non-white/homosexuals) WILL DEFINITELY get offended and take those guys to court OR get into a confrontation with them.

It's like saying a bunch of people dressing up in nazi uniforms and marching through a jewish/gay community would be taken as a joke. Yeah... right! People would get offended... would they have a reason? I'm pretty sure they would...

So just because you think what the guy did is totally fine doesn't make it fine at all. As I said in my last few posts - if you're fine with your children appearing in this sort of clips - you should probably post an ad on the internet so the next guy, who decides to edit a video in this manner, can use your children and avoid getting in trouble! =)



On the sidenote - I'd take a person to court even if they edited a video of ME in ANY manner without my consent... I think I have a right to decide whether I want to be all over youtube or not. If someone fails to recognize that right - I'll have to do something about it.
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