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On February 20 2011 07:36 BoxedLunch wrote:
this is a perfect example of how our country is becoming a police state. the guy did nothing wrong. what happened to freedom of speech? the kids weren't exposed to anything inappropriate. Bernie Madoff gets a pardon, but this guy's a criminal? America's legal system is fucked
Whoa, calm down there Rush. This is an example of shock jock news that most likely will result in the kid getting community service. If you think that "America is becoming a police state" then you've never read about or experienced an actual police state. Also Bernie Madoff didn't get a pardon, that article published by the Huffington Post was a piece of political satire.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/miles-mogulescu/obama-pardons-madoff_b_188504.html
Also, has anyone actually seen the video in question? I wonder what the nature of the sexually explicit material was, because the article and video only vaguely describe it as "children dancing to sexually explicit material" which is laughably called child pornography.
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On February 20 2011 09:02 bibbaly wrote:
You can't take that highroad if you keep dropping down to my level swede
How is it even possible for me to "take the highroad"?
I have no opinion. I have not disagreed. I have not agreed. you are just giving me a made up opinion based on assumptions and then try to argue with it.
Listen.
You asked me what an stereotypical American is like. I answered you. All countries have stereotypes. What puzzles me is why you are offended by them. Stereotypes are based on prejudice, people who believe stereotypes to be true do not call them "stereotypes", just like racist people do not call their beliefs "racist".
Stop this childishness.
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On February 20 2011 08:50 Karok wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2011 07:15 Darkn3ss wrote:
Oh, I'd like to say something to those who keep saying "Only in America".
You're right... only in America he has a chance to go to court and fight for his freedom. In any other country he'd get gang raped by the fathers of those children and a video of it would also be uploaded to youtube as a response to his video. ^^
My first thought would be to kill him for making a video with my kids in it... then maybe I'd settle on just beating the fuck out of him... but then I'd face charges, which is not something I need in my life, therefore I'd do exactly what those parents did (again, if it happened in USA otherwise I'd go with the first impulse ^^). in most civilized countries, that case wouldn't even have made it to court and just dismissed, "giving a chance to fight for his freedom" is bullshit. reading through how aggressive your reply is you might belong in jail more than this guy. Wanting to kill someone just because he spliced in 2 videos as a joke is exactly what this case is about, clear over-reaction on a victimless "crime" if it can be called a crime at all since none of the children actually heard that song from him while they were recording.
Perhaps you didn't read my original reply. I'm also guessing that you wouldn't mind having your kids in random youtube videos. I think you should post an ad somewhere so other people that want to make pranks involving little children can use yours as a prop. =)
I also believe you didn't really understand my comment but w/e...
Here's my view on it. Guy makes a video (sorta innocent, since he didn't actually sing to kids still pretty offensive). -> Insults parents. -> Parents want him to take it down. -> The guys, who just spent his time making the video, probably says "No, thanks!" - OR - parents can't get a hold of him. -> Parents take him to court. Seems normal since this sort of problems should be resolved in court... (Unless of course you have the power of Jedi mind tricks and can just make a person do something you want or you prefer to use brute force...)
In Russia, for example, it would be easier to just beat the guy into pulp so I think that's what would happen. I can't speak for other countries, since I've only lived in RU and US but, judging by some of the replies, you guys wouldn't do anything about this sort of thing (I'm asking you to put yourself in parents' shoes.) If that's the case then this guys biggest crime is not living in your country =)
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From the start of this thread the anti-ameicanism was there if you read the thread you know what I'm talking about.
You came into this thread and singled out a post from an ameican DESPITE all the other posts and thoughts and mocked it.
And now you're telling me you have no opinion.
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On February 20 2011 09:25 bibbaly wrote:
From the start of this thread the anti-ameicanism was there if you read the thread you know what I'm talking about.
You came into this thread and singled out a post from an ameican DESPITE all the other posts and thoughts and mocked it.
And now you're telling me you have no opinion.
He mocked a guy who said that in any other country but America, not only would this guy not get a trial, he would be gang raped or killed.
If that doesn't deserve a good piss taking, I don't know what does.
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Ok.... so to everyone that may agree that he deserves some jail time, you are pretty crazy, thats super harsh. And on the other hand.... to all the people that are going nuts about him "getting 20 yrs in prison".... calm down. It is a felony that CAN end up with a 20 yr sentence. That absolutely DOES NOT mean that he is getting/will get 20 yrs. Thats the MAX sentence people. If convicted, I highly doubt he would get anywhere near 20 yrs. Its pretty likely that either the charges will be dropped or some sort of deal will be made and he'll get a slap on the wrist. If not either of those, he'll get a few yrs or something. Besides all that tho, I agree with the general consensus here...... the fuck???
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Jesus Christ.
The news and subsequent reactions on this thread are mind blowing.
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how is this even a crime!?!? seriously, america is just plain insane. only about half of americans believe in evolution. double digit percents of americans dont think barrack obama was born in usa. and now this kid makes a youtube prank and faces jail time?!?
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So now its illegal to make fake videos of illegal acts?
America, FUCK YEAH!!!
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Wow. I didn't know you could get charged with crimes for what happens in an empty room.
Hope no one tells what goes on in my bedroom, I'd be put away for life 
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On February 20 2011 09:39 JMuRda5 wrote:
Ok.... so to everyone that may agree that he deserves some jail time, you are pretty crazy, thats super harsh. And on the other hand.... to all the people that are going nuts about him "getting 20 yrs in prison".... calm down. It is a felony that CAN end up with a 20 yr sentence. That absolutely DOES NOT mean that he is getting/will get 20 yrs. Thats the MAX sentence people. If convicted, I highly doubt he would get anywhere near 20 yrs. Its pretty likely that either the charges will be dropped or some sort of deal will be made and he'll get a slap on the wrist. If not either of those, he'll get a few yrs or something. Besides all that tho, I agree with the general consensus here...... the fuck???
Why not what the fuck. Imagine you have a 6 year old daughter, your most precious person in the world next to your wife/husband w.e And you found out some creepo came to her school and video taped them with the idea to take that video and cut it up into a raunchy sex themed video and then puts it up on the Internet for anyone to view. Your daughter in a sexual themed video up on the Internet that any pervert can watch. I personally be pissed, i wouldn't want to guy to go to jail but i def wanted him punished in some way, i'd also chew one into the school and who ever approved this guy to come to the class to do this, i'd know that they probably could have not avoided this but i'd expect an apology from them. But yeah i'd pitch in with other parents to try to find something illegal about what the guy did just so he at least have to officially think about what he did.
Anyone that doesn't see what this guy did was wrong on some level, lacks empathy. but people do need to get it though their head is the difference between incitement, charged, convicted, sentenced. In this case up to(not a minimum) 20 years could mean 0 years anyone who bitched about the American legal system being jacked up should maybe learn a thing or two about it becuase it is fucked up but not for the reasons posted in this thread.
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This is absolute bullsh. Inappropriate? Yes. Stupid? Yes. But deserving of 20 years? Absolutely retarded.
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On February 20 2011 14:18 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2011 09:39 JMuRda5 wrote:
Ok.... so to everyone that may agree that he deserves some jail time, you are pretty crazy, thats super harsh. And on the other hand.... to all the people that are going nuts about him "getting 20 yrs in prison".... calm down. It is a felony that CAN end up with a 20 yr sentence. That absolutely DOES NOT mean that he is getting/will get 20 yrs. Thats the MAX sentence people. If convicted, I highly doubt he would get anywhere near 20 yrs. Its pretty likely that either the charges will be dropped or some sort of deal will be made and he'll get a slap on the wrist. If not either of those, he'll get a few yrs or something. Besides all that tho, I agree with the general consensus here...... the fuck??? Why not what the fuck. Imagine you have a 6 year old daughter, your most precious person in the world next to your wife/husband w.e And you found out some creepo came to her school and video taped them with the idea to take that video and cut it up into a raunchy sex themed video and then puts it up on the Internet for anyone to view. Your daughter in a sexual themed video up on the Internet that any pervert can watch. I personally be pissed, i wouldn't want to guy to go to jail but i def wanted him punished in some way, i'd also chew one into the school and who ever approved this guy to come to the class to do this, i'd know that they probably could have not avoided this but i'd expect an apology from them. But yeah i'd pitch in with other parents to try to find something illegal about what the guy did just so he at least have to officially think about what he did. Anyone that doesn't see what this guy did was wrong on some level, lacks empathy. but people do need to get it though their head is the difference between incitement, charged, convicted, sentenced. In this case up to(not a minimum) 20 years could mean 0 years anyone who bitched about the American legal system being jacked up should maybe learn a thing or two about it becuase it is fucked up but not for the reasons posted in this thread.
Agreed with this post ^^
I want to make a thread about Britain jailing beggars...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-12514482
but that wouldn't go down too well methinks.
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Wow, that's pretty fucked up...
Those prosecutors need to calm the fuck down and try to remember what it was like when they were dumb kids... I bet they played spin the bottle, and truth or dare -- which today probably gets you 10 years in prison and a permanent reservation on the sex offender list.
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Michigan I am disappoint.
User was warned for this post
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On February 20 2011 14:38 Zips wrote:
Wow, that's pretty fucked up...
Those prosecutors need to calm the fuck down and try to remember what it was like when they were dumb kids... I bet they played spin the bottle, and truth or dare -- which today probably gets you 10 years in prison and a permanent reservation on the sex offender list.
If you play it with a bunch of pre-teens - sure! lol
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On February 20 2011 14:18 semantics wrote:
Why not what the fuck. Imagine you have a 6 year old daughter, your most precious person in the world next to your wife/husband w.e And you found out some creepo came to her school and video taped them with the idea to take that video and cut it up into a raunchy sex themed video and then puts it up on the Internet for anyone to view.
Um, are you aware of a thing called "Photoshop?"
Spoiler, it allows anyone on the Internet to modify pictures in any way they want.
Eg.
![[image loading]](http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b32/Juggo/GMF/GMFjackbauerchloedancing.gif)
OMG, these peoples lives are in ruinous tatters, because every day they will have to live in shame because of a splice somebody else made of them, using their image, right?
Wrong. It's called having a thick skin, and learning that you shouldn't worry about things that don't affect you, that you can't control, and that nobody who's not a senile old man is going to believe is authentic.
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On February 20 2011 15:08 Darkn3ss wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2011 14:38 Zips wrote:
Wow, that's pretty fucked up...
Those prosecutors need to calm the fuck down and try to remember what it was like when they were dumb kids... I bet they played spin the bottle, and truth or dare -- which today probably gets you 10 years in prison and a permanent reservation on the sex offender list. If you play it with a bunch of pre-teens - sure! lol
I'm talking about kids playing it with other kids, just to be clear! 
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On February 20 2011 15:11 Zips wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2011 14:18 semantics wrote:
Why not what the fuck. Imagine you have a 6 year old daughter, your most precious person in the world next to your wife/husband w.e And you found out some creepo came to her school and video taped them with the idea to take that video and cut it up into a raunchy sex themed video and then puts it up on the Internet for anyone to view. Um, are you aware of a thing called "Photoshop?" Spoiler, it allows anyone on the Internet to modify pictures in any way they want. Eg. OMG, these peoples lives are in ruinous tatters, because every day they will have to live in shame because of a splice somebody else made of them, using their image, right? Wrong. It's called having a thick skin, and learning that you shouldn't worry about things that don't affect you, that you can't control, and that nobody who's not a senile old man is going to believe is authentic.
You do realize the intent of the law to which he is being charged with is exactly there to deal with photoshoping sexual content dealing with young children. It's a law against pedophiles who claim that video or photos are faked and thus legal. It's not as clean in this case as the intent is not sexual in nature but rather a joke. Which is why he'll likely be getting little to nothing in the punishment department if he is ever convicted of anything, but if you cannot understand why parents wouldn't seek blood in this issue then well consider this. Thick skin is nice for the one being verbally abused or w.e sure it gets you though the day but it doesn't make the actions of malice any less harmful and degrading. I take it you don't understand why bullying is illegal why there are laws on harassment and crap. Come on just grow some thick skin, when to you does something stop being a joke and just start being wrong. How about i dress up in a kkk uniform and then march in the million man march as a joke. I'm sure everyone will agree that it's a joke and nothing will go wrong at all i mean it's so ludicrous there is no way anyone could mistake it for something else.
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Yall ought to be aware that these kinds of seemingly absurd prosecutions happen more often than you realize. Regardless of your position on the supposed "issue," I would definitely suspect that this prosecutor has his eyes on public office in the near future.
Especially at the local level, prosecutors are notorious for being overly "tough on crime" when they see an opportunity to run for mayor, or are seeking a judicial position. Sometimes, they go too far and make a fool of themselves. More commonly, they appeal to the fears of parents and eventually land themselves a bigger office. It is irresponsible to be sure, but it is standard operating procedure in all developed countries. One great perpetual example is the New York State Attorney, no matter who s/he may be.
Regardless, this case will most definitely be seen by a Michigan state appeal's court, given it will have lasting repercussions on their interpretation of this law. Still, as much as people want it to be, this will almost assuredly not become a first amendment issue. Sorry!
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