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On February 20 2011 04:54 PanzerKing wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2011 04:44 catamorphist wrote:On February 19 2011 19:04 PanzerKing wrote:On February 19 2011 19:01 VTArlock wrote:
Meh, this is retarted... 20 years?? I love how the newscaster was like "he's chain and shackled"...because thats all so very necessary. Give him a fine, slap him on the wrist and send him on his way. The only thing he did that was wrong was not censor the kids faces. Hypothetical - I take a picture of your 5-year-old niece, put a word bubble next to her mouth with the caption "I love big hairy cocks" and post it on every telephone pole in the county where you live. The girl's mother calls you up, crying her eyes out, and her father is in a blinding rage. Would you be ok with giving me a fine and a slap on the wrist? Now imagine I did that to twenty other kids. So, twenty counts of the same offense, and you're still ok with a fine and a slap on the wrist? Yeah, I think a fine and a slap on the wrist sounds appropriate. The actual crime sounds significantly less hurtful than your hypothetical (since the kids aren't singled out in the video -- the focus is on the dude) so I think a fine and a slap on the wrist is appropriate for that, too. Hypothetical - I make a video that makes twenty mothers call your office crying for an evening and drives twenty fathers into a blinding rage. Would you be OK with charging me with a felony sex offense, which will brand me for the next seventy years of my life, making it nearly impossible for me to hold a productive job in America or live together normally with my community? If the answer is yes, then I would use much stronger words than "retarted" to describe what I think of your involvement in our legal system. I'm fine with the DA's office's decision on a conceptual level, but I don't know enough about the relevant statute and case law to say whether I'd do the same thing or not. The point is, this is just his arraignment. So yes, the charges will be much heavier than what he'll actually face. I looked at a rap sheet just the other day where the guy was arraigned on attempted murder 2 (max 25 years), charged with manslaughter, and pled to a felony assault w/ intent to cause serious physical injury w/ a deadly weapon. He did a couple years and got probation. This guy probably won't even get a few years. He's probably looking at a few months, a couple dozen handwritten letters of apology, and a plea to an A misdemeanor. But you better believe that he'll be hit with a serious felony at arraignments to show how seriously the local DA's office takes his disgusting disregard for the feelings of these children and their families as opposed to his personal amusement. And it's just ridiculous to think he'll be branded some kind of sex offender. There's just no way that's going to happen.
Well, you're the expert here, so I assume you're right and that he's likely to get a reasonable sentence. But you can hardly blame non-lawyers for thinking (ridiculously) that he stands some non-negligible risk of actually being convicted of the charges he is being arraigned under, which would indeed make him a sex offender.
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On February 20 2011 04:58 catamorphist wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2011 04:54 PanzerKing wrote:On February 20 2011 04:44 catamorphist wrote:On February 19 2011 19:04 PanzerKing wrote:On February 19 2011 19:01 VTArlock wrote:
Meh, this is retarted... 20 years?? I love how the newscaster was like "he's chain and shackled"...because thats all so very necessary. Give him a fine, slap him on the wrist and send him on his way. The only thing he did that was wrong was not censor the kids faces. Hypothetical - I take a picture of your 5-year-old niece, put a word bubble next to her mouth with the caption "I love big hairy cocks" and post it on every telephone pole in the county where you live. The girl's mother calls you up, crying her eyes out, and her father is in a blinding rage. Would you be ok with giving me a fine and a slap on the wrist? Now imagine I did that to twenty other kids. So, twenty counts of the same offense, and you're still ok with a fine and a slap on the wrist? Yeah, I think a fine and a slap on the wrist sounds appropriate. The actual crime sounds significantly less hurtful than your hypothetical (since the kids aren't singled out in the video -- the focus is on the dude) so I think a fine and a slap on the wrist is appropriate for that, too. Hypothetical - I make a video that makes twenty mothers call your office crying for an evening and drives twenty fathers into a blinding rage. Would you be OK with charging me with a felony sex offense, which will brand me for the next seventy years of my life, making it nearly impossible for me to hold a productive job in America or live together normally with my community? If the answer is yes, then I would use much stronger words than "retarted" to describe what I think of your involvement in our legal system. I'm fine with the DA's office's decision on a conceptual level, but I don't know enough about the relevant statute and case law to say whether I'd do the same thing or not. The point is, this is just his arraignment. So yes, the charges will be much heavier than what he'll actually face. I looked at a rap sheet just the other day where the guy was arraigned on attempted murder 2 (max 25 years), charged with manslaughter, and pled to a felony assault w/ intent to cause serious physical injury w/ a deadly weapon. He did a couple years and got probation. This guy probably won't even get a few years. He's probably looking at a few months, a couple dozen handwritten letters of apology, and a plea to an A misdemeanor. But you better believe that he'll be hit with a serious felony at arraignments to show how seriously the local DA's office takes his disgusting disregard for the feelings of these children and their families as opposed to his personal amusement. And it's just ridiculous to think he'll be branded some kind of sex offender. There's just no way that's going to happen. Well, you're the expert here, so I assume you're right and that he's likely to get a reasonable sentence. But you can hardly blame non-lawyers for thinking (ridiculously) that he stands some non-negligible risk of actually being convicted of the charges he is being arraigned under, which would indeed make him a sex offender.
To be quite honest, I blame the education system for not providing students with even a basic understanding of the criminal justice system, and the news media for failing to provide any context beyond what will attract the most viewers. But unfortunately, I have to get to work, since I'm already going to be late =(
Thanks again for keeping it civil.
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lol.. I thought some guy spent 20 years preparing a prank on someone.. was thinking it would be crazy lol.. but youtube hasnt been around for 20 years so wasnt sure.. anyway.. was completely wrong..
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On February 20 2011 04:00 LoLAdriankat wrote:
Yeah, the American justice system fucking blows. The judges are morons.
Most people in America don't know how their own justice system works and "judging" by the knee-jerk reaction to the summary of this case showing the same supposed ridiculousness as prosecutor is.
read the posts by evil nalu and this one
+ Show Spoiler +On February 20 2011 04:54 PanzerKing wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2011 04:44 catamorphist wrote:On February 19 2011 19:04 PanzerKing wrote:On February 19 2011 19:01 VTArlock wrote:
Meh, this is retarted... 20 years?? I love how the newscaster was like "he's chain and shackled"...because thats all so very necessary. Give him a fine, slap him on the wrist and send him on his way. The only thing he did that was wrong was not censor the kids faces. Hypothetical - I take a picture of your 5-year-old niece, put a word bubble next to her mouth with the caption "I love big hairy cocks" and post it on every telephone pole in the county where you live. The girl's mother calls you up, crying her eyes out, and her father is in a blinding rage. Would you be ok with giving me a fine and a slap on the wrist? Now imagine I did that to twenty other kids. So, twenty counts of the same offense, and you're still ok with a fine and a slap on the wrist? Yeah, I think a fine and a slap on the wrist sounds appropriate. The actual crime sounds significantly less hurtful than your hypothetical (since the kids aren't singled out in the video -- the focus is on the dude) so I think a fine and a slap on the wrist is appropriate for that, too. Hypothetical - I make a video that makes twenty mothers call your office crying for an evening and drives twenty fathers into a blinding rage. Would you be OK with charging me with a felony sex offense, which will brand me for the next seventy years of my life, making it nearly impossible for me to hold a productive job in America or live together normally with my community? If the answer is yes, then I would use much stronger words than "retarted" to describe what I think of your involvement in our legal system. I'm fine with the DA's office's decision on a conceptual level, but I don't know enough about the relevant statute and case law to say whether I'd do the same thing or not. The point is, this is just his arraignment. So yes, the charges will be much heavier than what he'll actually face. I looked at a rap sheet just the other day where the guy was arraigned on attempted murder 2 (max 25 years), charged with manslaughter, and pled to a felony assault w/ intent to cause serious physical injury w/ a deadly weapon. He did a couple years and got probation. This guy probably won't even get a few years. He's probably looking at a few months, a couple dozen handwritten letters of apology, and a plea to an A misdemeanor. But you better believe that he'll be hit with a serious felony at arraignments to show how seriously the local DA's office takes his disgusting disregard for the feelings of these children and their families as opposed to his personal amusement. And it's just ridiculous to think he'll be branded some kind of sex offender. There's just no way that's going to happen.
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ha! No way this will go through. This is definitely just news stations over-blowing another story.
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Do the kids even know what YouTube is?
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On February 20 2011 06:31 SaYyId wrote:
Do the kids even know what YouTube is?
My grandmother and her aunt know what youtube is...
But it's actually irrelevant, none of the kids have seen the vid, but neither would it change anything. It's not about the kids, it's about how (rightfully) offended the parents are.
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lol 20 years for a prank
only in america...
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I mean he probably won't go to jail (or at least not for 20 years)... but this is a good example for anyone else who tries this sort of thing...
I don't think that the prank is worth so much jail time but I do see why parents are tripping out. They don't care if someone edits a video to make it seem like he's singing about sex (drugs, rock-n-roll?) to a group of children. They care in this case because it's their children he's supposedly singing to. If this was a real music video with a good budget and producers actually found parents who'd allow their kids to show up in a video like this - there wouldn't be a problem... I think he was lazy and wanted to make an "easy" prank instead of actually finding people with similar mindset, researching a bit, etc...
If someone made this sort of video with my kids and didn't ask my permission I'd probably press charges as well. If someone approached me and made a good proposition, perhaps I'd allow my kids to be filmed? Of course there would be a BIG FUCKING SIGN in the end saying "NONE OF THE CHILDREN PARTICIPATED DURING FILMING OF THIS SONG". In the end of the clip there would be a link to the real video where he sings about bunnies and candies. First song would make people laugh (or frown) and second link would clean authors hands.
EzPz.
It's not the prank he got in trouble for... it's his approach!
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I find what he did funny. People need to lighten up lol, it was a joke.
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The only ones in this case that should be punished is the prosecution and the parents for launching an idiotic claim and wasint the courts time they could have spent on real criminals.
Followed by that guy taking all those parents to court for defamation.
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this seems so stereotype american - im sry to say that
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Oh, I'd like to say something to those who keep saying "Only in America".
You're right... only in America he has a chance to go to court and fight for his freedom. In any other country he'd get gang raped by the fathers of those children and a video of it would also be uploaded to youtube as a response to his video. ^^
My first thought would be to kill him for making a video with my kids in it... then maybe I'd settle on just beating the fuck out of him... but then I'd face charges, which is not something I need in my life, therefore I'd do exactly what those parents did (again, if it happened in USA otherwise I'd go with the first impulse ^^).
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Wasn't there a thread in TL few months ago talking about sueing a 4 year old kid just because she allegedly hurt an old woman by running over her with a bicycle?
What the hell is up with American justice system?
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they want to ruin his life for a victimless crime?
makes sense. it is afterall the justice system
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This is why America has so many people in prison..
It is ridiculous to give him jail time, it was stupid and he shouldn't of done it but 20 YEARS of jail time for it is completely irrational. Just make him remove the video ( like he did ), and give him a slap on the wrist.
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I cant understand why the parents are even angry or anything (other than privacy issues of showing kids without consent which deserves a slap on the wrist and removal of the vid, nothing more), he sung them a nice song and edited it so it looked like a dirty song, no one was harmed, wtf?
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he isnt going to be punished 20 years...
Its just a scare factor to get views. If anything the judge will knock it down to a fine, some community hours and apology letters.
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Meanwhile on TV
+ Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-Fe-IwAPA8#t=1m30s
Community service would seem more appropriate. This isn't a psychopath we need off the streets and in prison, he's just a dumb kid.
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