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gzealot
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Singapore238 Posts
March 17 2011 22:48 GMT
#761
On March 18 2011 07:48 Kipsate wrote:
So Russia, China, India abstained, was it Germany too or?


Yep. The German rep just gave a lengthy speech on why.
Elegy
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States1629 Posts
March 17 2011 22:49 GMT
#762
On March 18 2011 07:47 Ocedic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2011 07:45 s.a.y wrote:
I was hoping China would vote yes.

Lets hope that Gadafi does go away soon.


Seems like it would be smart to vote yes if you're going to abstain from a sure-win vote anyways. In a purely pragmatic sense, at least you don't look like the bad guys, even if for whatever reason you don't actually support it.


No way, China voting yes on this invalidates decades of Chinese foreign policy goals, same for Russia. Abstaining is the best they could hope for, voting yes would be both hypocritical and have negative consequences down the road in terms of setting precedent

also LOL @ the American lady, St. Patrick's Day much? She has a terrible voice though
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
March 17 2011 22:49 GMT
#763
So which other country abstained, an Arab country? or perhaps Brazil?
WriterXiao8~~
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 17 2011 22:49 GMT
#764
U.S. Ambassador speaking now.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Elegy
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States1629 Posts
March 17 2011 22:52 GMT
#765
Indian dude looks like a badass.
Nitro68
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
France470 Posts
March 17 2011 22:52 GMT
#766
I think it's Brazil. You have to remember that a no fly zone is an act of war. Voting yes means declaring war.

Is there a sum up of the german speach ?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 17 2011 22:53 GMT
#767
On March 18 2011 07:49 Kipsate wrote:
So which other country abstained, an Arab country? or perhaps Brazil?


Brazil, and South Africa.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Ocedic
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1808 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-17 22:53:51
March 17 2011 22:53 GMT
#768
On March 18 2011 07:49 Elegy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2011 07:47 Ocedic wrote:
On March 18 2011 07:45 s.a.y wrote:
I was hoping China would vote yes.

Lets hope that Gadafi does go away soon.


Seems like it would be smart to vote yes if you're going to abstain from a sure-win vote anyways. In a purely pragmatic sense, at least you don't look like the bad guys, even if for whatever reason you don't actually support it.


No way, China voting yes on this invalidates decades of Chinese foreign policy goals, same for Russia. Abstaining is the best they could hope for, voting yes would be both hypocritical and have negative consequences down the road in terms of setting precedent

also LOL @ the American lady, St. Patrick's Day much? She has a terrible voice though


What would be those foreign policies that make them abstain/vote no? I'm not arguing, I'd just like to learn more about world politics.
Elegy
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States1629 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-17 22:57:26
March 17 2011 22:53 GMT
#769
India's objections are strong, says there are no plans for which countries will be enforcing the no fly zone, etc, and don't know if the zone will actually help lower loss of life

On March 18 2011 07:53 Ocedic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2011 07:49 Elegy wrote:
On March 18 2011 07:47 Ocedic wrote:
On March 18 2011 07:45 s.a.y wrote:
I was hoping China would vote yes.

Lets hope that Gadafi does go away soon.


Seems like it would be smart to vote yes if you're going to abstain from a sure-win vote anyways. In a purely pragmatic sense, at least you don't look like the bad guys, even if for whatever reason you don't actually support it.


No way, China voting yes on this invalidates decades of Chinese foreign policy goals, same for Russia. Abstaining is the best they could hope for, voting yes would be both hypocritical and have negative consequences down the road in terms of setting precedent

also LOL @ the American lady, St. Patrick's Day much? She has a terrible voice though


What would be those foreign policies that make them abstain/vote no? I'm not arguing, I'd just like to learn more about world politics?


China historically always opposes the use of force in any situation, Tibet is a huge liability for them in this regard. likewise, Russian involvement in Chechnya means that a vote supporting the use of force against Libya means a similar measure would have to be adopted against the Russians in the event of more separatist fighting in that region

It's a very important move by the UN to do this, and when/if Tibet, Chechnya, and other regions start heating up, it sets a dangerous precedent for them to be supporting the involvement of the UN in such matters
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-17 22:54:13
March 17 2011 22:53 GMT
#770
Rofl thats a nice talk show you have theire on your state cable Kadhafi
(Al jazeera stream btw)
WriterXiao8~~
Keniji
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands2569 Posts
March 17 2011 22:53 GMT
#771
On March 18 2011 07:48 gzealot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2011 07:48 Kipsate wrote:
So Russia, China, India abstained, was it Germany too or?


Yep. The German rep just gave a lengthy speech on why.


So ashamed of germany, really. At least the rest is standing up doing something. Finally.
Ayush_SCtoss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
India3051 Posts
March 17 2011 22:54 GMT
#772
On March 18 2011 07:53 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2011 07:49 Kipsate wrote:
So which other country abstained, an Arab country? or perhaps Brazil?


Brazil, and South Africa.


India, China, Russia, Germany, Brazil and South Africa...thats 6...I thought it was 5?
End my suffering
Marradron
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Netherlands1586 Posts
March 17 2011 22:55 GMT
#773
South Africa didn't abstain
Ocedic
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1808 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-17 22:55:59
March 17 2011 22:55 GMT
#774
On March 18 2011 07:54 Ayush_SCtoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2011 07:53 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On March 18 2011 07:49 Kipsate wrote:
So which other country abstained, an Arab country? or perhaps Brazil?


Brazil, and South Africa.


India, China, Russia, Germany, Brazil and South Africa...thats 6...I thought it was 5?


Looks like it was Brazil, based on Brazil's speech. Not sure where he South Africa came from.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 17 2011 22:55 GMT
#775
On March 18 2011 07:54 Ayush_SCtoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2011 07:53 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On March 18 2011 07:49 Kipsate wrote:
So which other country abstained, an Arab country? or perhaps Brazil?


Brazil, and South Africa.


India, China, Russia, Germany, Brazil and South Africa...thats 6...I thought it was 5?


Twitter is saying South Africa as well.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Marradron
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Netherlands1586 Posts
March 17 2011 22:57 GMT
#776
On March 18 2011 07:55 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2011 07:54 Ayush_SCtoss wrote:
On March 18 2011 07:53 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On March 18 2011 07:49 Kipsate wrote:
So which other country abstained, an Arab country? or perhaps Brazil?


Brazil, and South Africa.


India, China, Russia, Germany, Brazil and South Africa...thats 6...I thought it was 5?


Twitter is saying South Africa as well.


Well Watching the live vote it was certainly 5. Russia, china, germany, india, and brazil are 100% conformed so that leaves SA out.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
March 17 2011 22:58 GMT
#777
On March 18 2011 07:57 Marradron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2011 07:55 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On March 18 2011 07:54 Ayush_SCtoss wrote:
On March 18 2011 07:53 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On March 18 2011 07:49 Kipsate wrote:
So which other country abstained, an Arab country? or perhaps Brazil?


Brazil, and South Africa.


India, China, Russia, Germany, Brazil and South Africa...thats 6...I thought it was 5?


Twitter is saying South Africa as well.


Well Watching the live vote it was certainly 5. Russia, china, germany, india, and brazil are 100% conformed so that leaves SA out.


Interestingly enough, China, India, Brazil and Russia are all major economic powers(or will be )
WriterXiao8~~
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-17 23:04:22
March 17 2011 23:03 GMT
#778
On March 18 2011 07:53 Ocedic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2011 07:49 Elegy wrote:
On March 18 2011 07:47 Ocedic wrote:
On March 18 2011 07:45 s.a.y wrote:
I was hoping China would vote yes.

Lets hope that Gadafi does go away soon.


Seems like it would be smart to vote yes if you're going to abstain from a sure-win vote anyways. In a purely pragmatic sense, at least you don't look like the bad guys, even if for whatever reason you don't actually support it.


No way, China voting yes on this invalidates decades of Chinese foreign policy goals, same for Russia. Abstaining is the best they could hope for, voting yes would be both hypocritical and have negative consequences down the road in terms of setting precedent

also LOL @ the American lady, St. Patrick's Day much? She has a terrible voice though


What would be those foreign policies that make them abstain/vote no? I'm not arguing, I'd just like to learn more about world politics.


Supporting NK for one... And albeit not a foreign political subject, China isn't really a democracy either so should protests arise the Chinese government would be in quite a pickle...
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6642 Posts
March 17 2011 23:04 GMT
#779
On March 18 2011 07:58 Kipsate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2011 07:57 Marradron wrote:
On March 18 2011 07:55 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On March 18 2011 07:54 Ayush_SCtoss wrote:
On March 18 2011 07:53 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On March 18 2011 07:49 Kipsate wrote:
So which other country abstained, an Arab country? or perhaps Brazil?


Brazil, and South Africa.


India, China, Russia, Germany, Brazil and South Africa...thats 6...I thought it was 5?


Twitter is saying South Africa as well.


Well Watching the live vote it was certainly 5. Russia, china, germany, india, and brazil are 100% conformed so that leaves SA out.


Interestingly enough, China, India, Brazil and Russia are all major economic powers(or will be )

So are Germany, UK, France and USA :o

Anyway though, good news, the NFZ has finally been authorized!
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
RxN
Profile Joined May 2010
United States255 Posts
March 17 2011 23:05 GMT
#780
Horrible decision. The US was strong-armed into this by the oil-grubbing European powers.
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