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compscidude
176 Posts
http://twitter.com/markmackinnon# its 4:00pm in Korea, the bussiest time of the day. hope nothing goes wrong. | ||
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Getz
United States559 Posts
On December 20 2010 16:07 xBillehx wrote: #ROK defense ministry won't confirm drill has ended. Artillery firing still heard on Yeonpyeong by AP reporter. #Koreas http://twitter.com/#!/W7VOA ??? Thought it ended. I looked at Yonhap and I can't find a source saying it stopped. I thought it was over too, whats going on. | ||
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Terrifyer
United States338 Posts
On December 20 2010 16:07 overt wrote: South Korea flexing it's muscles is perfectly acceptable. The North just last month shelled their land and killed civilians. That's an act of war. The only reason this isn't already a full scale war is because North Korea is nuclear. If the North retaliates there will be war and it will be huge. The most interesting thing will be what China does. I don't know if they can risk going against America and the rest of the international community but at the same time they don't want to give up that North Korean buffer zone. It will also be terrifying to wonder if North Korea would actually use their nuclear arms in the event of a full scale war. Either way, I feel very bad about this whole situation. On the light-hearted side of things, if we have to re-introduce the draft at least gays and lesbians can be drafted now. edit: To something I read above, North Korea is a pretty vital buffer zone in my opinion. Yeah, I think South Korea would be a much better trading partner for China and thanks to WikiLeaks we've found out that China agrees with this logic too. However, not having tons of US military bases directly on China's border is a very advantageous thing for China.  Oh man I don't think they will ever be able to make the draft into law again, it would be political suicide to try and re-introduce that well, 99% sure.....I hope! | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On December 20 2010 16:11 sekritzzz wrote: America would be insane to try and be active in another war. They already overextended themselves with Iraq/Afghanistan. If this does into a full out war, I honestly think most major powers(japan included) would just take a step aside and wait a while before engaging in anything. South Korea > Iraq/Afghanistan. A Korean war would mean an almost immediate withdrawal from Iraq/Afghanistan at least combat troops that is. And the US would likely institute a draft as well. South Korea is probably one of the most important countries in the world for the United States. Not only is it a very successful democracy in South East Asia but it has a huge economy. Also, there are US soldiers stationed there...meaning a Korean war would instantly plunge America into war. It's the same reason why if someone declared war on Germany or Japan they'd also be declaring war on America. You don't establish military bases in a country just because they look pretty. edit: On the draft, political suicide is a lot better than having North Korea kill US soldiers stationed in South Korea. Frankly, if a Korean war broke out it'd be the biggest war since WWII. So, yeah... | ||
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NIJ
1012 Posts
On December 20 2010 16:08 Shigy wrote: They do live fire exercises regularly through the year on the disputed maritime border? I'd have to defer to you because you can observe the drills much more easily than me. However, the US joint military drills were also labeled as "previously planned" and it just sounds like bullshit rhetoric to avoid blame for provoking war. It was so planned and routine that NK gets notified in advance everytime they do it. | ||
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Sworn
Canada920 Posts
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
Still looking for sources saying they stopped, other reporters are now saying it's still being heard. I guess there was some confusion somewhere. | ||
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sekritzzz
1515 Posts
On December 20 2010 16:15 overt wrote: South Korea > Iraq/Afghanistan. A Korean war would mean an almost immediate withdrawal from Iraq/Afghanistan at least combat troops that is. And the US would likely institute a draft as well. South Korea is probably one of the most important countries in the world for the United States. Not only is it a very successful democracy in South East Asia but it has a huge economy. Also, there are US soldiers stationed there...meaning a Korean war would instantly plunge America into war. It's the same reason why if someone declared war on Germany or Japan they'd also be declaring war on America. You don't establish military bases in a country just because they look pretty. You have to remember every country is in this for their own benefits. I don't see America going as far as you claim but what they'll probably do is supply South korea with all the technology/intel with a few soldiers stationed here and there. As sick as this sounds, the American leadership will probably think to themselves, why waste American lives when we can let South Koreans waste their lives? America has no urgent need to bring its soldiers, but the South does since they are NK's neighbour. Strategically speaking, A Korean war would actually benefit America which is why they keep egging the South to retaliate(military drills/sending nuclear ships included). However the war would be disastrous for both koreas, Japan, China and Russia which is why Russia is in panic mode with the UN. | ||
Shigy
United States346 Posts
To be real, I'm not saying that SK is being aggressive, but IMO this is more of a test than a long-awaited exercise. edit: I know they do naval exercises and joint military exercises all the time. CONSIDER THE TIMING IN WEEKS, MAYBE DAYS and you'll wake the fuck up | ||
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Getz
United States559 Posts
On December 20 2010 16:17 Sworn wrote: I doubt they would draft lol but yes this would mean a huge war not only involving koreans. There will most likely be a draft if a NK/SK war broke out, count on it. | ||
Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
On December 20 2010 16:15 overt wrote: South Korea > Iraq/Afghanistan. A Korean war would mean an almost immediate withdrawal from Iraq/Afghanistan at least combat troops that is. And the US would likely institute a draft as well. South Korea is probably one of the most important countries in the world for the United States. Not only is it a very successful democracy in South East Asia but it has a huge economy. Also, there are US soldiers stationed there...meaning a Korean war would instantly plunge America into war. It's the same reason why if someone declared war on Germany or Japan they'd also be declaring war on America. You don't establish military bases in a country just because they look pretty. edit: On the draft, political suicide is a lot better than having North Korea kill US soldiers stationed in South Korea. Frankly, if a Korean war broke out it'd be the biggest war since WWII. So, yeah... Additionally, South Korea is one of the few countries in one of the world's hotspots that the US has repeatedly stated clearly that they will support it in times of war. Hell, they have 30,000 troops there. If after all that the US backs down to a small rogue nation like North Korea, US credibility in its extended deterrence over its allies will be severely damaged, perhaps forever. You can bet your marbles that if this turns into full out war, the US will be heavily involved from day 1. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On December 20 2010 16:20 sekritzzz wrote: You have to remember every country is in this for their own benefits. I don't see America going as far as you claim but what they'll probably do is supply South korea with all the technology/intel with a few soldiers stationed here and there. As sick as this sounds, the American leadership will probably think to themselves, why waste American lives when we can let South Koreans waste their lives? America has no urgent need to bring its soldiers, but the South does since they are NK's neighbour. Well, for certain, America would declare war and provide troops. It can be debated how many but obviously every soldier currently stationed in South Korea would be used in combat operations. South Korea is pretty damn important. Of all the countries with US military bases in them South Korea is by far the most important strategically. | ||
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ShcShc
Canada912 Posts
On December 20 2010 16:15 overt wrote: South Korea > Iraq/Afghanistan. A Korean war would mean an almost immediate withdrawal from Iraq/Afghanistan at least combat troops that is. And the US would likely institute a draft as well. South Korea is probably one of the most important countries in the world for the United States. Not only is it a very successful democracy in South East Asia but it has a huge economy. Also, there are US soldiers stationed there...meaning a Korean war would instantly plunge America into war. It's the same reason why if someone declared war on Germany or Japan they'd also be declaring war on America. You don't establish military bases in a country just because they look pretty. edit: On the draft, political suicide is a lot better than having North Korea kill US soldiers stationed in South Korea. Frankly, if a Korean war broke out it'd be the biggest war since WWII. So, yeah... Lol. I think your mind is over exaggerating unfortunately (well fortunately). A Korean war wouldn't last more than 2 weeks. The 2003 Iraq war was short & simple (in terms of fighting Saddam's army). There is a possibility of having guerrilla-like fighting that could last years, but definitely not nearly the scale you are thinking of. | ||
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sekritzzz
1515 Posts
On December 20 2010 16:22 overt wrote: Well, for certain, America would declare war and provide troops. It can be debated how many but obviously every soldier currently stationed in South Korea would be used in combat operations. South Korea is pretty damn important. Of all the countries with US military bases in them South Korea is by far the most important strategically. I agree with you there, especially with China's rise. Lets see how this plays how. | ||
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Shigy
United States346 Posts
On December 20 2010 16:22 overt wrote: Well, for certain, America would declare war and provide troops. It can be debated how many but obviously every soldier currently stationed in South Korea would be used in combat operations. South Korea is pretty damn important. Of all the countries with US military bases in them South Korea is by far the most important strategically. cosign. We would jump right into that shit. How much we would dedicate is a mystery to me with all the guys in the Middle East and our own little economic problems. But yeah, South Korea is very economically and militarily strategic for us. | ||
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
http://twitter.com/#!/YonhapNews Okayy Yonhap just said it ended 2 minutes ago. (2 hour drill?) @ the current discussion, the US would definitely be in it on day 1. At the very least all 30k troops would be actively involved and we'd probably send in a few carriers to assist in taking out artillery. SK is way more important than Iraq/Afgan Edit: More confirmation now. #ROK Defense Ministry confirms to VOA live-fire drill has ended & it lasted 94 minutes. #Koreas http://twitter.com/#!/W7VOA The live-fire drill on Yeonpyeong has ended. Defense Ministry says it lasted 94 minutes. http://twitter.com/#!/VOA_Seoul | ||
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NIJ
1012 Posts
On December 20 2010 16:23 ShcShc wrote: The 2003 Iraq war didn't last very long (in terms of fighting Saddam's army). There is a possibility of having guerrilla-like fighting that could last years, but definitely not nearly the scale you are thinking of. i dont really think there will be a guerilla war as intense as in the middle east, if one of korean state fell. especially on the NK side. | ||
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ShcShc
Canada912 Posts
On December 20 2010 16:22 overt wrote: Well, for certain, America would declare war and provide troops. It can be debated how many but obviously every soldier currently stationed in South Korea would be used in combat operations. South Korea is pretty damn important. Of all the countries with US military bases in them South Korea is by far the most important strategically. The U.S nor the South Korean would declare war. Everything would be based on speed. Take over as many known artillery points in order to inflict the least damages on South Korean cities. That would be the whole point of a Korean war. The only real advantage North Korea has is its complex tunnel system. Nobody in the Western world knows how deep or complex its tunnel systems are. Apart from that, a pretty good chunk of their military is figured out. | ||
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ShcShc
Canada912 Posts
On December 20 2010 16:25 NIJ wrote: i dont really think there will be a guerilla war as intense as in the middle east, if one of korean state fell. especially on the NK side. Never said there will be. There is always a possibility depending on how much North Koreans are afraid of the Western ideologies. The North Koreans definitely has the training that could turn it into guerilla warfare, but I don't think many would want it. And of course North Korea would fall...the military plans found by NK were based on "topping down the North Korean regime within a few days". | ||
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
Yonhap SEOUL, Dec. 20 (Yonhap) -- South Korea's major business organizations expressed strong support for the military's artillery firing exercise Monday that came on the heels of a recent shelling of a South Korean border island by North Korea. The organizations said increasing tension with the communist North may significantly damage the country's economy, but insisted security comes before anything else. "The country's businesses are deeply worried repeated provocations from North Korea will have a grave effect on the country's economy, but they also very clearly understand that there will be no business without security," said an official from the Federation of Korean Industries (FKI), the largest industrial lobby in South Korea. North Korea bombed South Korea's Yeonpyeong Island near the border last month, killing four people, including two civilians. Seoul made it clear the latest artillery firing was part of its decades-long exercise and that it will decisively strike the North if the communist nation tries to attack any of South Korea's islands near the border. "The artillery exercise on Yeonpyeong Island is a legitimate demonstration of the country's sovereignty that has been done for the past 37 years as part of efforts to check our defensive posture," the FKI official said. The Korea Chamber of Commerce & Industry also called it a necessary demonstration of the country's sovereign rights in a released statement. "Monday's exercise clearly demonstrated the country's firm resolution that it will defend its territory and waters despite repeated threats from North Korea," it said. The Korea Employers Federation urged the government to sternly deal with any provocation from North Korea. "We again urge the government to deal with any North Korean provocation with stern and decisive measures," it said. | ||
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