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Raelcun
United States3747 Posts
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Shigy
United States346 Posts
On December 20 2010 15:45 us.insurgency wrote: They do this crap all the time. They are like little kids seeing what they can get away with. A bit unrelated, but what you said about NK just there at the end it almost sounds like SK is seeing what they can get away with. They're literally testing the waters with this drill. It is a military provocation (provoke, by definition fits). It was a very short drill, close to NK water, and I think they're trying to fish a response instead of drawing out tensions for so long. I'm not accusing them of warmongering, but it does seem like this drill is actually testing North Korea's response. | ||
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Shigy
United States346 Posts
On December 20 2010 15:47 Chairman Ray wrote: Judging from North Korea's recent history, I would say that North Korea is not dumb enough to do any large scale attack, but they're too stubborn to walk away empty handed after delivering such a significant threat. They're probably going to do some sabotage, or minor bombing on YP island or something like that. I just hope that if they do, everyone will be protected in bomb shelters. I agree with most everything you say, but the big difference here that no matter what NK does - I think that SK will hit them back hard and all the "big talk" about full-scale war will become reality | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
On December 20 2010 15:51 Shigy wrote: I agree with most everything you say, but the big difference here that no matter what NK does - I think that SK will hit them back hard and all the "big talk" about full-scale war will become reality Yeah, my biggest fear is a full scale war as well. One major factor that will prevent the war is China's lack of support. North Korea knows they have no chance unless they are backed by China, and seeing as how China refused to state their support/oppose on today's issue, it looks as if they don't support NKorea, but are afraid to lose them as an ally. | ||
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Yamoth
United States315 Posts
On December 20 2010 15:49 Shigy wrote: A bit unrelated, but what you said about NK just there at the end it almost sounds like SK is seeing what they can get away with. They're literally testing the waters with this drill. It is a military provocation (provoke, by definition fits). It was a very short drill, close to NK water, and I think they're trying to fish a response instead of drawing out tensions for so long. I'm not accusing them of warmongering, but it does seem like this drill is actually testing North Korea's response. It is a whole lot more than just testing for a response. I think the biggest reason why South Korea choose to do what it does is to show that they are no pushover and to apiece its' citizen who is demanding blood. So this drill is another way for South Korea government to keep its' citizen moral high. | ||
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
On December 20 2010 15:55 Yamoth wrote: It is a whole lot more than just testing for a response. I think the biggest reason why South Korea choose to do what it does is to show that they are no pushover and to apiece its' citizen who is demanding blood. So this drill is another way for South Korea government to keep its' citizen moral high. ACtually, the drill was scheduled and planned long before all this recent crap with NK. It's pretty much routine, and not intended to to provoke NK in any way. SK have said as much. Please read news etc before posting inflammatory opinions =/ | ||
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Shigy
United States346 Posts
On December 20 2010 15:58 Subversion wrote: ACtually, the drill was scheduled and planned long before all this recent crap with NK. It's pretty much routine, and not intended to to provoke NK in any way. SK have said as much. Please read news etc before posting inflammatory opinions =/ I don't think it has anything to do with anti-North sentiments across the SK population. I also don't think that this was routine, scheduled, and planned either. All this "previously planned" stuff you hear from the US/SK/Japan is a load of shit. While they may have technically been "previously planned" the scheduled date was either changed or established in light of Yeonpyeong attacks. | ||
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Shigy
United States346 Posts
On December 20 2010 15:55 Chairman Ray wrote: Yeah, my biggest fear is a full scale war as well. One major factor that will prevent the war is China's lack of support. North Korea knows they have no chance unless they are backed by China, and seeing as how China refused to state their support/oppose on today's issue, it looks as if they don't support NKorea, but are afraid to lose them as an ally. You know the UNSC emergency meetings? Fucking China wouldn't denounce NK aggression, blocking a unified statement from the UNSC. I'm half Chinese (this is my i'mnotracist disclaimer), but China's unwavering support for NK is ridiculous. They're hardly a useful buffer state and a laughable trading partner (although there are some favorable deals that China has made regarding the rape and abuse of NK natural resources). China plzz! | ||
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SoleSteeler
Canada5472 Posts
On December 20 2010 16:01 Shigy wrote: I don't think it has anything to do with anti-North sentiments across the SK population. I also don't think that this was routine, scheduled, and planned either. All this "previously planned" stuff you hear from the US/SK/Japan is a load of shit. While they may have technically been "previously planned" the scheduled date was either changed or established in light of Yeonpyeong attacks. Err no, these live firing exercises are held fairly often year round, and this is just another one of those. It has nothing to do with last month's attacks. (And for the record, I am a Canadian living in South Korea.) | ||
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
http://twitter.com/#!/W7VOA ??? Thought it ended. I looked at Yonhap and I can't find a source saying it stopped. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
If the North retaliates there will be war and it will be huge. The most interesting thing will be what China does. I don't know if they can risk going against America and the rest of the international community but at the same time they don't want to give up that North Korean buffer zone. It will also be terrifying to wonder if North Korea would actually use their nuclear arms in the event of a full scale war. Either way, I feel very bad about this whole situation. On the light-hearted side of things, if we have to re-introduce the draft at least gays and lesbians can be drafted now. edit: To something I read above, North Korea is a pretty vital buffer zone in my opinion. Yeah, I think South Korea would be a much better trading partner for China and thanks to WikiLeaks we've found out that China agrees with this logic too. However, not having tons of US military bases directly on China's border is a very advantageous thing for China.  | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
On December 20 2010 16:01 Shigy wrote: I also don't think that this was routine, scheduled, and planned either. Are you intentionally trying to provoke people? You know the drills the NK fired on were announced well in advance and done annually? | ||
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Shigy
United States346 Posts
On December 20 2010 16:04 SoleSteeler wrote: Err no, these live firing exercises are held fairly often year round, and this is just another one of those. It has nothing to do with last month's attacks. (And for the record, I am a Canadian living in South Korea.) They do live fire exercises regularly through the year on the disputed maritime border? I'd have to defer to you because you can observe the drills much more easily than me. However, the US joint military drills were also labeled as "previously planned" and it just sounds like bullshit rhetoric to avoid blame for provoking war. | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
On December 20 2010 16:08 Shigy wrote: They do live fire exercises regularly through the year on the disputed maritime border? Read this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=171194 You really need to do your homework before posting. | ||
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Contagious
United States1319 Posts
On December 20 2010 16:04 SoleSteeler wrote: Err no, these live firing exercises are held fairly often year round, and this is just another one of those. It has nothing to do with last month's attacks. (And for the record, I am a Canadian living in South Korea.) Even though it's a test, it's still pretty scary, because of how close it is, and the repercussions that could follow. Hopefully they can get everything figured out over there, but I find it unlikely. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On December 20 2010 16:08 Shigy wrote: They do live fire exercises regularly through the year on the disputed maritime border? I'd have to defer to you because you can observe the drills much more easily than me. However, the US joint military drills were also labeled as "previously planned" and it just sounds like bullshit rhetoric to avoid blame for provoking war. The US does drills with the South Korean navy all the time in those disputed waters. Partly to flex their muscles and also to be prepared for potential war. | ||
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sekritzzz
1515 Posts
On December 20 2010 16:07 overt wrote: South Korea flexing it's muscles is perfectly acceptable. The North just last month shelled their land and killed civilians. That's an act of war. The only reason this isn't already a full scale war is because North Korea is nuclear. If the North retaliates there will be war and it will be huge. The most interesting thing will be what China does. I don't know if they can risk going against America and the rest of the international community but at the same time they don't want to give up that North Korean buffer zone. It will also be terrifying to wonder if North Korea would actually use their nuclear arms in the event of a full scale war. Either way, I feel very bad about this whole situation. On the light-hearted side of things, if we have to re-introduce the draft at least gays and lesbians can be drafted now. America would be insane to try and be active in another war. They already overextended themselves with Iraq/Afghanistan. If this does into a full out war, I honestly think most major powers(japan included) would just take a step aside and wait a while before engaging in anything. | ||
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Shigy
United States346 Posts
On December 20 2010 16:08 Craton wrote: Are you intentionally trying to provoke people? You know the drills the NK fired on were announced well in advance and done annually? Yep, but I don't think that any of the drills since the shelling were "previously planned" specifically to counter a North Korean attack. I think that the timing of the US exercises were absolutely unplanned and were a response to rising tensions. | ||
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Kpyolysis32
553 Posts
On December 20 2010 16:07 xBillehx wrote: #ROK defense ministry won't confirm drill has ended. Artillery firing still heard on Yeonpyeong by AP reporter. #Koreas http://twitter.com/#!/W7VOA ??? Thought it ended. I looked at Yonhap and I can't find a source saying it stopped. Weird, I'd like to hear more about this | ||
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regerstreen
Canada57 Posts
On December 20 2010 16:08 Shigy wrote: They do live fire exercises regularly through the year on the disputed maritime border? I'd have to defer to you because you can observe the drills much more easily than me. However, the US joint military drills were also labeled as "previously planned" and it just sounds like bullshit rhetoric to avoid blame for provoking war. Wow... South Korea has more than enough cause to go to war with cheonan sinking and artillery strike at yeonpyung island. Just imagine if your own neighbourhood was subjected under artillery strike from another country with hostile intentions. | ||
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