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On December 08 2010 10:30 hunter3 wrote:
Assange is an attention-seeking egomaniac who doesn't trust his own organization enough to give them operating plans in the case of his absence. It's a small wonder he has no respect for classified information obviously meant to be private. I'm all for transparency and openness, do the cables do anything to corrupt governments? China has banned half of the internet to its civilians; North Korea doesn't even have internet. And threatening to release information if captured? That's not honest behavior; that's something the mafia takes pride in.
Assange has become that which he supposedly fights against; he's a one-man dictatorship, he controls his organization's information for their own protection (since he knows best, of course) and he's as much a terrorist as Kim Jong-il rattling his saber then threatening to nuke Seoul if attacked.
You're not going to like this... but I think you're wrong. All of it actually.
*China has censored the internet. Since the internet is basically infinite they in no way covered half.
*North Korea has at least 2 internet café's (LOL). Going through Chinese filtering ofc.
*Threatening to release INFORMATION if captured is something that heroes do in movies btw. Threatening to kill, murder, bomb is maffia stuff.
*There is no way in hell Assange does everything by himself. He just happens to sit on one big mailing list for all of the mid-level employed.
*Comparing Assange and Kim Jong-il ... I let that one speak for itse... no, Even if you somehow think that what Assange is doing is wrong, it is NO WAY AS BAD as dear old Kim keeping a whole country captured and more or less enslaved and starving.
I'm all for transparency and openness
No you're not.
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On December 08 2010 10:32 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 10:30 AttackZerg wrote:On December 08 2010 10:24 Goobus wrote:On December 08 2010 10:17 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:On December 08 2010 10:08 us.insurgency wrote:On December 08 2010 05:01 Half wrote:Honestly you people shouldn't hate on U.S. soldiers, no matter how much you disagree with the war. Its really disgusting. I basically hail the Assange as a hero, and while I often condemn the actions of the U.S. government, would never do so of soldiers (who are not actively committing war crimes of course) Realize that the actions of these soldiers are critical to sustaining your way of life. Its the inevitability of late capitalism. How do you think the average American citizen consumes roughly 3x as much resources as those in other developed nations, and 50x as much as those in 3rd world nations? Late capitalism is dependent on a strong military industrial complex in order to protect foreign "investments" of American capitalists. You and your politicians reap the economic benefits payed for in blood. The blood of Iraqis, and your own soldiers, most whom came from a lower socio-economic background. Condemning these soldiers is literally the ultimate disgrace. Sure, the military industrial complex is an abomination in this country, but the foot soldiers are no less its victims then the iraqis who have died. So yeah, U.S. politicians and generals are scum. But the flesh and blood who die defending your interests are not.
OH.. cool, thanks for the explanation. So whats up with the guys who get banned on tl.net forums and no one stands up for their freedom of speech? (no trolls allowed Whiladan)
TL is a private forum incurring no negative externalities outside of itself. Hate the war not the soliders. like hate the KKK not its members? That's really not the same thing... Not in the case of the us military in iraq or afghan. but in the case of the nazi-german military it was. because KKK = evil and Nazis = evil and US Military =/= evil?
kkk = evil
nazi's = evil
Us military is ran by evil people, but I do not believe the entire organization is evil or acts on a horrible ideology with aims to eliminate entire races of people.
Also a soldier in the american army might not have signed up to be a murder, a KKK member is nothing but evil and a nazi soldier is a man who became a part of a brilliant machine designed to turn people into heartless murders. There isn't a difference at all? Come on lets be reasonable, there are levels of evil.
The american military who are in my family or my circle of friendship are not cowardly dogs. They are force fed the shit from fox40 so hard they believe they are truly protecting america overseas. They really really believe it.
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The only trial he'll get is a propaganda trial, they can't have him leave as a free man, as he has shown the world how corrupt the system as a whole is.
A few details about Anna Ardin, one of the woman that started this fiasco against Assange
http://radsoft.net/news/20101001,01.shtml
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I love how they claim the documents threaten national security. All the documents are old and outdated, and afaik they´re not exactly naming a bunch of covert operatives or something, all they´re doing is making US diplomats look like trash.
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On December 08 2010 10:39 AttackZerg wrote:
kkk = evil
nazi's = evil
Us military is ran by evil people, but I do not believe the entire organization is evil or acts on a horrible ideology with aims to eliminate entire races of people.
Also a soldier in the american army might not have signed up to be a murder, a KKK member is nothing but evil and a nazi soldier is a man who became a part of a brilliant machine designed to turn people into heartless murders. There isn't a difference at all? Come on lets be reasonable, there are levels of evil.
The american military who are in my family or my circle of friendship are not cowardly dogs. They are force fed the shit from fox40 so hard they believe they are truly protecting america overseas. They really really believe it.
I really wish you wouldn't stereotype the nazis and KKK like that. The Nazis and KKK are (it really isn't "were") run by evil people, but a follower might not have signed up to "be a murder" or "be evil", either. They were force-fed the same kind of BS, for much longer, than the american military members in your family. And both Nazi and KKK members faced summary execution for disloyalty.
But, as with all things, people live with their choices, by their choices. Like this man:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehren_Watada
Now, I have no trouble with supporters for the US military, inside of it or out. They have legitimate concerns, and, quite honestly, countries run militaries for a very good reason. However, I have extreme issues with apologists for said organizations or their members. People who have trouble living by their choices, and turn away from reality in order to do so.
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On December 08 2010 10:39 Starfox wrote:The only trial he'll get is a propaganda trial, they can't have him leave as a free man, as he has shown the world how corrupt the system as a whole is. A few details about Anna Ardin, one of the woman that started this fiasco against Assange http://radsoft.net/news/20101001,01.shtml
quite the opposite actually, he'll receive a fair trial of even have a positive bias because the governments won't want the social backlash of a fixed trial. He's a celebrity now, after all.
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On December 08 2010 10:51 acker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 10:39 AttackZerg wrote:
kkk = evil
nazi's = evil
Us military is ran by evil people, but I do not believe the entire organization is evil or acts on a horrible ideology with aims to eliminate entire races of people.
Also a soldier in the american army might not have signed up to be a murder, a KKK member is nothing but evil and a nazi soldier is a man who became a part of a brilliant machine designed to turn people into heartless murders. There isn't a difference at all? Come on lets be reasonable, there are levels of evil.
The american military who are in my family or my circle of friendship are not cowardly dogs. They are force fed the shit from fox40 so hard they believe they are truly protecting america overseas. They really really believe it. I really wish you wouldn't stereotype the nazis and KKK like that. The Nazis and KKK are (it really isn't "were") run by evil people, but a follower might not have signed up to "be a murder" or "be evil", either. They were force-fed the same kind of BS, for much longer, than the american military members in your family. And both Nazi and KKK members faced summary execution for disloyalty. But, as with all things, people live with their choices, by their choices. Like this man: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehren_Watada
The old german natzi's can't all be considered evil.. since they were forced into it. If you weren't a nazi you got left out.
Same thing can be argued for the old KKK's.
Recent Natzi's and KKK members can be argued being all evil, since they now joined the organisation BY CHOICE. There is NO pressure any more to join such an organisation.
The US military has pressure right now, hence you can't argue that all of them are evil (definitely no). Most of them are prob brain washed and to be fair.. everything they do ain't that bad.
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assange=evil
gave a hit list to terrorists /thread
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On December 08 2010 10:39 AttackZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 10:32 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:On December 08 2010 10:30 AttackZerg wrote:On December 08 2010 10:24 Goobus wrote:On December 08 2010 10:17 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:On December 08 2010 10:08 us.insurgency wrote:On December 08 2010 05:01 Half wrote:Honestly you people shouldn't hate on U.S. soldiers, no matter how much you disagree with the war. Its really disgusting. I basically hail the Assange as a hero, and while I often condemn the actions of the U.S. government, would never do so of soldiers (who are not actively committing war crimes of course) Realize that the actions of these soldiers are critical to sustaining your way of life. Its the inevitability of late capitalism. How do you think the average American citizen consumes roughly 3x as much resources as those in other developed nations, and 50x as much as those in 3rd world nations? Late capitalism is dependent on a strong military industrial complex in order to protect foreign "investments" of American capitalists. You and your politicians reap the economic benefits payed for in blood. The blood of Iraqis, and your own soldiers, most whom came from a lower socio-economic background. Condemning these soldiers is literally the ultimate disgrace. Sure, the military industrial complex is an abomination in this country, but the foot soldiers are no less its victims then the iraqis who have died. So yeah, U.S. politicians and generals are scum. But the flesh and blood who die defending your interests are not.
OH.. cool, thanks for the explanation. So whats up with the guys who get banned on tl.net forums and no one stands up for their freedom of speech? (no trolls allowed Whiladan)
TL is a private forum incurring no negative externalities outside of itself. Hate the war not the soliders. like hate the KKK not its members? That's really not the same thing... Not in the case of the us military in iraq or afghan. but in the case of the nazi-german military it was. because KKK = evil and Nazis = evil and US Military =/= evil? kkk = evil nazi's = evil Us military is ran by evil people, but I do not believe the entire organization is evil or acts on a horrible ideology with aims to eliminate entire races of people. Also a soldier in the american army might not have signed up to be a murder, a KKK member is nothing but evil and a nazi soldier is a man who became a part of a brilliant machine designed to turn people into heartless murders. There isn't a difference at all? Come on lets be reasonable, there are levels of evil. The american military who are in my family or my circle of friendship are not cowardly dogs. They are force fed the shit from fox40 so hard they believe they are truly protecting america overseas. They really really believe it.
So you say may Grandfather (not blood but mind) is evil because he served in the italians facist army but your friends who are serving for the US Military are not? Dude both kill people, with the HUGE difference that your friends had the choice to join the army without major drawbacks, my Grandfather had also a choice, death or service.
Face the fact that the soldier serving in the military is as much an asshole as the general. If you are a "walkalong" you are just as bad. It also doesn't take anything away if you are dumb (this is what you say) and actually trust the shit the cult leader is telling you. There are people in racist groups such as the KKK that aren't really that evil, still they are to blame.
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This is just the biggest outrage of them all!!!!!
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On December 08 2010 10:55 tnud wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 10:51 acker wrote:On December 08 2010 10:39 AttackZerg wrote:
kkk = evil
nazi's = evil
Us military is ran by evil people, but I do not believe the entire organization is evil or acts on a horrible ideology with aims to eliminate entire races of people.
Also a soldier in the american army might not have signed up to be a murder, a KKK member is nothing but evil and a nazi soldier is a man who became a part of a brilliant machine designed to turn people into heartless murders. There isn't a difference at all? Come on lets be reasonable, there are levels of evil.
The american military who are in my family or my circle of friendship are not cowardly dogs. They are force fed the shit from fox40 so hard they believe they are truly protecting america overseas. They really really believe it. I really wish you wouldn't stereotype the nazis and KKK like that. The Nazis and KKK are (it really isn't "were") run by evil people, but a follower might not have signed up to "be a murder" or "be evil", either. They were force-fed the same kind of BS, for much longer, than the american military members in your family. And both Nazi and KKK members faced summary execution for disloyalty. But, as with all things, people live with their choices, by their choices. Like this man: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehren_Watada The old german natzi's can't all be considered evil.. since they were forced into it. If you weren't a nazi you got left out. Same thing can be argued for the old KKK's. Recent Natzi's and KKK members can be argued being all evil, since they now joined the organisation BY CHOICE. There is NO pressure any more to join such an organisation. The US military has pressure right now, hence you can't argue that all of them are evil (definitely no). Most of them are prob brain washed and to be fair.. everything they do ain't that bad.
My apologies, I realized I had left some stuff out and was rewriting my post. Though I wouldn't say there isn't any pressure anymore...Nazism and KKK stuff generally passes down family lines, and it has nothing to do with genetics.
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On December 08 2010 10:51 acker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 10:39 AttackZerg wrote:
kkk = evil
nazi's = evil
Us military is ran by evil people, but I do not believe the entire organization is evil or acts on a horrible ideology with aims to eliminate entire races of people.
Also a soldier in the american army might not have signed up to be a murder, a KKK member is nothing but evil and a nazi soldier is a man who became a part of a brilliant machine designed to turn people into heartless murders. There isn't a difference at all? Come on lets be reasonable, there are levels of evil.
The american military who are in my family or my circle of friendship are not cowardly dogs. They are force fed the shit from fox40 so hard they believe they are truly protecting america overseas. They really really believe it. I really wish you wouldn't stereotype the nazis and KKK like that. The Nazis and KKK are (it really isn't "were") run by evil people, but a follower might not have signed up to "be a murder" or "be evil", either. T
Actually the KKK is formed from a bunch of a redneck piece of shit southerns from the post civil war south who were hell bent on keeping blacks other minorities down.
Evil is fact.
Nazi's from the 1930's-1940's... I can see that I might have staged too large of a stereotype to be fair or accurate.
American military does not operate on any of the ideologies of either of those groups and is not comparable being the most dissimilar with the KKK.
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On December 08 2010 11:00 acker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 10:55 tnud wrote:On December 08 2010 10:51 acker wrote:On December 08 2010 10:39 AttackZerg wrote:
kkk = evil
nazi's = evil
Us military is ran by evil people, but I do not believe the entire organization is evil or acts on a horrible ideology with aims to eliminate entire races of people.
Also a soldier in the american army might not have signed up to be a murder, a KKK member is nothing but evil and a nazi soldier is a man who became a part of a brilliant machine designed to turn people into heartless murders. There isn't a difference at all? Come on lets be reasonable, there are levels of evil.
The american military who are in my family or my circle of friendship are not cowardly dogs. They are force fed the shit from fox40 so hard they believe they are truly protecting america overseas. They really really believe it. I really wish you wouldn't stereotype the nazis and KKK like that. The Nazis and KKK are (it really isn't "were") run by evil people, but a follower might not have signed up to "be a murder" or "be evil", either. They were force-fed the same kind of BS, for much longer, than the american military members in your family. And both Nazi and KKK members faced summary execution for disloyalty. But, as with all things, people live with their choices, by their choices. Like this man: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehren_Watada The old german natzi's can't all be considered evil.. since they were forced into it. If you weren't a nazi you got left out. Same thing can be argued for the old KKK's. Recent Natzi's and KKK members can be argued being all evil, since they now joined the organisation BY CHOICE. There is NO pressure any more to join such an organisation. The US military has pressure right now, hence you can't argue that all of them are evil (definitely no). Most of them are prob brain washed and to be fair.. everything they do ain't that bad. My apologies, I realized I had left some stuff out and was rewriting my post. Though I wouldn't say there isn't any pressure anymore...Nazism and KKK, just like normal political viewpoints, generally pass down family lines, and it has absolutely nothing to do with genetics.
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On December 08 2010 10:55 TributeBoxer wrote:
assange=evil
gave a hit list to terrorists /thread
Stop. Listening. To. All. US. Propaganda.
A wikileak has yet killed a single person. It's not like he's leaking people under cover.
Wikileaks goes through the material beforehand and sorts information like that out. There where for sure reports that COULD put people in jeopardy
Have you still not realised that as soon as US is using the Al-Qaeda/Terror thing something is fishy.
EDIT: Don't get me wrong, I'm not supporting terrorism, I'm just pointing out that US (and many other countries) are riding the train.
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On December 08 2010 11:00 AttackZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 10:51 acker wrote:On December 08 2010 10:39 AttackZerg wrote:
kkk = evil
nazi's = evil
Us military is ran by evil people, but I do not believe the entire organization is evil or acts on a horrible ideology with aims to eliminate entire races of people.
Also a soldier in the american army might not have signed up to be a murder, a KKK member is nothing but evil and a nazi soldier is a man who became a part of a brilliant machine designed to turn people into heartless murders. There isn't a difference at all? Come on lets be reasonable, there are levels of evil.
The american military who are in my family or my circle of friendship are not cowardly dogs. They are force fed the shit from fox40 so hard they believe they are truly protecting america overseas. They really really believe it. I really wish you wouldn't stereotype the nazis and KKK like that. The Nazis and KKK are (it really isn't "were") run by evil people, but a follower might not have signed up to "be a murder" or "be evil", either. T Actually the KKK is formed from a bunch of a redneck piece of shit southerns from the post civil war south who were hell bent on keeping blacks other minorities down. Evil is fact. Nazi's from the 1930's-1940's... I can see that I might have staged too large of a stereotype to be fair or accurate. American military does not operate on any of the ideologies of either of those groups and is not comparable being the most dissimilar with the KKK.
it doesn not matter at all if the ideology of the KKK and the idiology of the nazis or the US military match. the point is whether you can call a follower of a cult (KKK, Nazi, US Military) an asshole for what the cult is doing.
EDIT:
I say you can always pass the black peter to the followers, because you always have a choice what you follow. It is also no excuse to say I support the defensive character of the US Military (as an example) so I join it and then go and attack some random country (Iraq). Thats like saying "I joined the Hitleryouth because I get to camp a lot out in the wild". Sorry dude but thats bullshit.
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On December 08 2010 10:39 Starfox wrote:The only trial he'll get is a propaganda trial, they can't have him leave as a free man, as he has shown the world how corrupt the system as a whole is. A few details about Anna Ardin, one of the woman that started this fiasco against Assange http://radsoft.net/news/20101001,01.shtml
Lol at the tweets, the google cache is gone but he saved it. Not very hard to fake but, no idea how this evidence would hold up in court. It is however some interesting stuff and if true, absolutely despiceable. I've heard several stories of men being accused of rape, it turns out the woman was lying too get revenge/was mentally ill but by then it is too late, their lives are already ruined. Not to mention it discredits actual rape victims since these cases are usually so hard to determine since its often word against word.
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On December 08 2010 10:30 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 10:24 Goobus wrote:On December 08 2010 10:17 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:On December 08 2010 10:08 us.insurgency wrote:On December 08 2010 05:01 Half wrote:Honestly you people shouldn't hate on U.S. soldiers, no matter how much you disagree with the war. Its really disgusting. I basically hail the Assange as a hero, and while I often condemn the actions of the U.S. government, would never do so of soldiers (who are not actively committing war crimes of course) Realize that the actions of these soldiers are critical to sustaining your way of life. Its the inevitability of late capitalism. How do you think the average American citizen consumes roughly 3x as much resources as those in other developed nations, and 50x as much as those in 3rd world nations? Late capitalism is dependent on a strong military industrial complex in order to protect foreign "investments" of American capitalists. You and your politicians reap the economic benefits payed for in blood. The blood of Iraqis, and your own soldiers, most whom came from a lower socio-economic background. Condemning these soldiers is literally the ultimate disgrace. Sure, the military industrial complex is an abomination in this country, but the foot soldiers are no less its victims then the iraqis who have died. So yeah, U.S. politicians and generals are scum. But the flesh and blood who die defending your interests are not.
OH.. cool, thanks for the explanation. So whats up with the guys who get banned on tl.net forums and no one stands up for their freedom of speech? (no trolls allowed Whiladan)
TL is a private forum incurring no negative externalities outside of itself. Hate the war not the soliders. like hate the KKK not its members? That's really not the same thing... can you elaborate on that? for me its the exact same thing.
Ignorance, thy name is internet.
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On December 08 2010 11:00 AttackZerg wrote:
Actually the KKK is formed from a bunch of a redneck piece of shit southerns from the post civil war south who were hell bent on keeping blacks other minorities down.
Evil is fact.
Nazi's from the 1930's-1940's... I can see that I might have staged too large of a stereotype to be fair or accurate.
American military does not operate on any of the ideologies of either of those groups and is not comparable being the most dissimilar with the KKK.
There is absolutely no doubt that the US military comes from more honorable roots than the KKK or Nazis. However, the roots or even ideology of an organization have absolutely nothing to do with their capacity for "evil", as recent events have clearly demonstrated. The men and women US military easily surpassed the KKK's body count in less than two years, during Operation Iraqi "Freedom".
Nor do ideology or "roots" constitute credible arguments for apologia. If people join an organization and act in its name, I expect them to live with the choices they made.
I'm going to quote myself, sorry; I'm sounding far more combative than I really am. I'm not an anti-military whacko, and I really do agree with the principles the US military sometimes abides by. Hell, I even agree with their former decision to nuke Hiroshima.
And if your family served in Afghanistan, not Iraq...well, I can't exactly praise them, but they certainly have my utmost respect.
On December 08 2010 10:51 acker wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehren_WatadaNow, I have no trouble with supporters for the US military, inside of it or out. They have legitimate concerns, and, quite honestly, countries run militaries for a very good reason. However, I have extreme issues with apologists for said organizations or their members. People who have trouble living by their choices, and turn away from reality in order to do so.
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On December 08 2010 10:38 tnud wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 10:30 hunter3 wrote:
Assange is an attention-seeking egomaniac who doesn't trust his own organization enough to give them operating plans in the case of his absence. It's a small wonder he has no respect for classified information obviously meant to be private. I'm all for transparency and openness, do the cables do anything to corrupt governments? China has banned half of the internet to its civilians; North Korea doesn't even have internet. And threatening to release information if captured? That's not honest behavior; that's something the mafia takes pride in.
Assange has become that which he supposedly fights against; he's a one-man dictatorship, he controls his organization's information for their own protection (since he knows best, of course) and he's as much a terrorist as Kim Jong-il rattling his saber then threatening to nuke Seoul if attacked. You're not going to like this... but I think you're wrong. All of it actually. *China has censored the internet. Since the internet is basically infinite they in no way covered half. *North Korea has at least 2 internet café's (LOL). Going through Chinese filtering ofc. *Threatening to release INFORMATION if captured is something that heroes do in movies btw. Threatening to kill, murder, bomb is maffia stuff. *There is no way in hell Assange does everything by himself. He just happens to sit on one big mailing list for all of the mid-level employed. *Comparing Assange and Kim Jong-il ... I let that one speak for itse... no, Even if you somehow think that what Assange is doing is wrong, it is NO WAY AS BAD as dear old Kim keeping a whole country captured and more or less enslaved and starving.
*China censors any media that portrays it in a negative light, including Wikileaks. Shouldn't they be the ones we go after?
*North Korean internet cafe only for very wealthy, and doesn't connect outside Korea.
*Yes heroes in movies threaten to release information. Those same heroes also destroy property and murder scores of people along the way, but it's a movie, dude. In real-life blackmail is morally one of the worst crimes you can commit against another person.
*Assange doesn't do everything by himself, but if he could he probably would. The internal conflicts of that organization will be their downfall. http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/12/wikileaks-reels/
*Assange is obviously not on the same level as Kim Jong-il, but now that you brought it up... Both are extraordinarily paranoid. Both believe the US government is out to get them. Both are dictator figures. Both trust few if any people at all. Both are notoriously secretive. Both are attention-seekers, out to grab headlines from the world while contributing nothing. Both take out insurance policies in case they're attacked.
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On December 08 2010 11:33 hunter3 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 10:38 tnud wrote:On December 08 2010 10:30 hunter3 wrote:
Assange is an attention-seeking egomaniac who doesn't trust his own organization enough to give them operating plans in the case of his absence. It's a small wonder he has no respect for classified information obviously meant to be private. I'm all for transparency and openness, do the cables do anything to corrupt governments? China has banned half of the internet to its civilians; North Korea doesn't even have internet. And threatening to release information if captured? That's not honest behavior; that's something the mafia takes pride in.
Assange has become that which he supposedly fights against; he's a one-man dictatorship, he controls his organization's information for their own protection (since he knows best, of course) and he's as much a terrorist as Kim Jong-il rattling his saber then threatening to nuke Seoul if attacked. You're not going to like this... but I think you're wrong. All of it actually. *China has censored the internet. Since the internet is basically infinite they in no way covered half. *North Korea has at least 2 internet café's (LOL). Going through Chinese filtering ofc. *Threatening to release INFORMATION if captured is something that heroes do in movies btw. Threatening to kill, murder, bomb is maffia stuff. *There is no way in hell Assange does everything by himself. He just happens to sit on one big mailing list for all of the mid-level employed. *Comparing Assange and Kim Jong-il ... I let that one speak for itse... no, Even if you somehow think that what Assange is doing is wrong, it is NO WAY AS BAD as dear old Kim keeping a whole country captured and more or less enslaved and starving. *China censors any media that portrays it in a negative light, including Wikileaks. Shouldn't they be the ones we go after? *North Korean internet cafe only for very wealthy, and doesn't connect outside Korea. *Yes heroes in movies threaten to release information. Those same heroes also destroy property and murder scores of people along the way, but it's a movie, dude. In real-life blackmail is morally one of the worst crimes you can commit against another person. *Assange doesn't do everything by himself, but if he could he probably would. The internal conflicts of that organization will be their downfall. http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/12/wikileaks-reels/*Assange is obviously not on the same level as Kim Jong-il, but now that you brought it up... Both are extraordinarily paranoid. Both believe the US government is out to get them. Both are dictator figures. Both trust few if any people at all. Both are notoriously secretive. Both are attention-seekers, out to grab headlines from the world while contributing nothing. Both take out insurance policies in case they're attacked.
*Well yes, you go ahead and publish bad press about china, noone has ever done that before.
-Rest of points are clarifications/bad explanations of the original ones.-
I think a person like Assange is needed to pull this off. When you're chased by goverments worldwide you need to be paraniod. (US Senators and other top political figures are stating/wishing that Assage was dead.). Releasing information that reveal nations wrongdoings all over the world is NOT EQUAL TO NUKING SEOUL. If anything it makes the world better! Governments shouldn't get away with all the shit they pull all the time. It's good that they fear being busted.
Assange IS contributing, being the head of such an organisation sure isn't a job I would like to have. He's giving his entire life for this.
The documents ARE helping. Just where I live 2 or 3 political scandals have already been revealed and is currently being investigated. This WOULD NOT have come to the surface without wikileaks.
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