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On December 04 2010 05:17 kataa wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 05:15 muse5187 wrote:
Yeah because gambling, sex, and over eating are not addictions that are dealt with in the medical field. They're delt with in a totally different ways, and saying otherwise is either stupidity or hyperbole. No one is saying psychological addiction doesn't exist, but it's not the same damn thing. There is no methadone as a perscribed medical treatment for over eating. What do you perscribe, giving them smaller cup cakes?
If you care to point out where I said they are dealt with in the same way. Or are you just trying to start an argument? When you are done using the old strawman, we could of course discuss the things I ACTUALLY SAID.
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On December 04 2010 05:22 kataa wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 05:19 muse5187 wrote:
If you care to point out where I said they are dealt with in the same way. Or are you just trying to start an argument? When you are done using the old strawman, we could of course discuss the things I ACTUALLY SAID. Claim strawman Not point out why there is actually a strawman ????????? Profit?
You're arguing against a point I never made.
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like 5% of the population have a brain disease(addictive personality) that makes them get addicted to stuff much more easily than other people. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addictive_personality
anyhow, from my experience of playing WoW i think its both a physical addiction and mentally addictve too. physically it increases your dopamine levels and you can feel that in your head, mentally its still addictive even after i stopped playing for enjoyment/to get high(couldnt get high from playing it anymore because i had no chemicals left in my brain), and only continued to play because the feeling of withdrawal was horrible, after quiting, even though i was 10x better looking and 10x better marks in school i still wanted to play WoW more than anything else because of the horrible feeling, which initially put me in an edgy state for 2 days or so then a depressive state for about 3 months after that.
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More or less anything can be an "addiction" (just like almost everything can be a carcinogen). It depends largely on the person engaging in the activity.
I wouldn't really call gaming in general an addiction. It certainly has the potential, though. Not everyone that plays games is compelled to keep playing and coming back, just like not everyone that drinks alcohol feels a need to keep drinking on regular basis/heavily. Smoking (and many drugs) is an even better (if not overused) example as just about anyone that smokes will suffer side effects if they try to just stop cold turkey.
Not every addiction is a physical addiction (like nicotine and many other drugs), as mentioned. Some are psychological.
Games (some more than others) certainly have the potential, and many game developers try to specifically structure and design their games in a way that will make people want to keep coming back (example: almost any MMO). Repeat customers = more business = just makes sense to make games that way. Even still, it's not as universal as something like smoking. Although some people may get addicted to certain games, other people can play those exact same games and have no trouble just walking away from them.
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Well it was on tonight. I'll spoiler the main points but I raged quite hard and lost all credibility in Panorama documentaries.
+ Show Spoiler +It opens with the launch of StarCraft 2, with the reporter conveying shock at how long the queues are at the midnight launch.
It then goes on about some teen who failed in college since he was playing Modern Warfare 2 for about 12 hours a day.
Then as inevitable as the fucking tides, the show takes a turn to talk about World of Warcraft, documenting two players with God-awful UI's, one who plays for 12 hours a day for 2 years and one who plays 20 hours a day.
Then it gets some psychologist viewpoints who's researching the field of video game addiction in the UK that video game addiction should receive the same awareness as alcohol or tobacco.
The reported then skips to South Korea where there is an anti-video gaming addiction camp set up, which offers activity to the boys and teens. The participants claim they only played the video games because there was nothing else better to do.
Then...
He makes the rage worthy criticism that playing video games at the internet cafe in Korea is not as worthy as going nightclubbing or drinking in the most eurocentric bias I have ever seen.
There is a brief bit where they show how Korea glorifies gaming with pictures of Korean StarCraft 2 players which I think was FireBatHero, Flash and I think Jaedong, but I could be mistaken.
So not content with labelling Korea as addicted to games without a counter argument, they give 2 extreme cases of video game addiction with the well known mother leaving her child to starve and announce there has been 12 deaths because of gaming addiction, not predisposing factors that led them to that addiction but simply "gaming addiction".
They then go back to the WoW player and the reporter gives a condescending tone for "online friends" and the teen says something akin to what the Korean kids said in that there is nothing else better to do.
Then finally within the closing minutes of the documentary it explains a 2 minute hypothesis about the base of the addiction, in that games use a "random reward" to keep people playing, which is a similar device to Fruit Machines so obviously must be generalizable.
Then even quicker than the 2 minute hypothesis, it gives a 2 second disclaimer from Blizzard about the fact that there are PARENTAL controls to monitor the amount their child can play.
It was an absolute farce of a documentary which agrees with my original post that they had already set an agenda for the outcome of the investigation into "addiction to games".
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Anything can be an addiction. I have friends who lost 5 years of their life to WoW; dropped out of school, now broke and nothing to show for it. There are also people who become addicted to marijuana, porn, food, and any number of other things, even if they don't have a chemical dependency. All types of addiction can be crippling.
Maybe it will get me flamed, but I definitely think there are people who are hurting their life by playing SC2 (or ANY game) too much. It does have benefits of course, but after some time, you'll look back on your life and wonder where those years went.
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I think just about anything can be addictive. The important distinction is between something that is addictive because of its chemistry and something that is addictive because it becomes a habit. I think the latter type developes because of a preexisting problem, be it depression or just a mixture of hormones and a lot of stress. I'll bet the vast majority of who become almost dependent on games are teenagers that are having a hard time at school etc and are looking for an escape.
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Hi, my name is Christian
(Hi Christian)
And I'm a game addict. I go by the name AddictedZealot, nicely shows my addiction. I've noticed that the game some how takes over my real emotions. I kinda suck at University right now, reason is because I play to much. When get into the gaming environment I start to forget my obligations, towards school, friends and even my family. I start to not care. It also ruins my schedule, I go to bed late. "Just one more last game".
So yesterday I uninstalled all that can be called games on my computer. I allready feel restless. I think this feeling is the first step to begin studying for real, getting the A's like I used to get. And hopefully someone might read this and say "Hey, that feels just like me".
Instead of gaming, I will study and read books (Such as Dracula, it's really good) and workout (that I already do, even though I played games, got to look good infront of the girls  ).
Thank you for your time. Have a nice day.
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