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Baytuts
Profile Joined January 2009
Brazil101 Posts
November 26 2010 02:24 GMT
#161
I'm in São Paulo, but my aunt lives in Rio...
Damn that makes me so nervous.
...
broz0rs
Profile Joined July 2008
United States2294 Posts
November 26 2010 02:26 GMT
#162
I always wondered what Brazil was going to do about the gangs with the two big sporting events coming up in a few years. Their solution is startling. I wonder how long the government have planned for this assault.
DamnCats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1472 Posts
November 26 2010 02:28 GMT
#163
I wonder how long the government have planned for this assault.


If it's anything like America's "war on [certain] drugs", i'd give it about 30 years and I'm guessing they will still be playing this nice little cat and mouse game. Except instead of dropping cartoon pianos on each other they use AK47s and M16s.
Disciples of a god, that neither lives nor breathes.
D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
November 26 2010 02:32 GMT
#164
On November 26 2010 11:28 DamnCats wrote:
Show nested quote +
I wonder how long the government have planned for this assault.


If it's anything like America's "war on [certain] drugs", i'd give it about 30 years and I'm guessing they will still be playing this nice little cat and mouse game. Except instead of dropping cartoon pianos on each other they use AK47s and M16s.


They have been systematically taking favelas for a long time now (1year or more), the recent massive scale operation is merely a contingency plan to stop the chaos.
" We are not humans having spiritual experiences. - We are spirits having human experiences." - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24752 Posts
November 26 2010 02:34 GMT
#165
On November 26 2010 11:24 DamnCats wrote:
When are we as a world going to wake up and realize the illegality of drugs causes worse problems than the drugs themselves? How many more times must history repeat itself without anyone in power learning a god damn thing, or refusing to admit that because of the political ramifications?

You don't see people murdering each other over vodka (anymore). WONDER WHY THAT IS?


I also see innocent people dying in car accidents because of vodka. I totally get your point but it's just not as simple as you want it to be. Just making every drug illegal (if that was somehow viable to do tomorrow) would have many advantages and disadvantages, many of which neither of us could predict with our current knowledge.

On the other hand you have made a strong case for one aspect of the advantage of legalizing drugs!
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manGomaGic
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada94 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-26 02:37:57
November 26 2010 02:35 GMT
#166
Sad to see this happening and affecting innocent people. I used to live in Salvador, Bahia for 3 years and the criminal underworld is so massive and hard to control. Police in Brazil are savages too so I'm interested to see how this all turns out (hopefully for the better with the least civilian casualties involved)...
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DamnCats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1472 Posts
November 26 2010 02:41 GMT
#167
I also see innocent people dying in car accidents because of vodka


I find that personal responsibility takes a back seat in a country like the USA where politicians have to legislate for the lowest common denominator of person. I think legalizing drugs would have many different effects but the two greatest would be that violence (as in humans using metal tubes to shoot out very fast pieces of metal at each other) would stop, and personal responsibility would FINALLY have somewhat of a comeback in the USA, which desperately needs it.

Drugs being legal would lead to more people actually accepting responsibility for themselves and their own bodies which I think would lead to a huge reduction in stupid ass shit that kills other people by "accident" like drunk driving.
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SgtMuffins
Profile Joined June 2010
United States37 Posts
November 26 2010 02:46 GMT
#168
On November 26 2010 11:35 shimamoto wrote:
Sad to see this happening and affecting innocent people. I used to live in Salvador, Bahia for 3 years and the criminal underworld is so massive and hard to control. Police in Brazil are savages too so I'm interested to see how this all turns out (hopefully for the better with the least civilian casualties involved)...


People were dying in car crashes from vodka when it was illegal as well. There is no way to remove the drugs from society, only to create criminals that sell those drugs.
DamnCats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1472 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-26 02:50:45
November 26 2010 02:49 GMT
#169
SgtMuffins, not only that but VIOLENT criminals. I read some article a while back about a dude in Texas who got 60 years in prison for < gram of crack. If I was that poor son of a bitch and I knew that some fucking policeman was about to shit all over the next 6 decades of my life (for what started as a nonviolent crime) I might get a bit violent as well. And I'm a scrawny bitch so if I'm going for violence I'm not going to be using my fists, I'm going to be grabbing a fucking gun.
Disciples of a god, that neither lives nor breathes.
MrMotionPicture
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4327 Posts
November 26 2010 02:56 GMT
#170
Hope everything works out for the best. Stay safe. Man, I feel lucky to have never experienced that kind of stuff...
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Trizz
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands1318 Posts
November 26 2010 03:12 GMT
#171
When BOPE joins, everyone dies. Good or bad.
(What I heard.)
nope
D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
November 26 2010 03:24 GMT
#172
On November 26 2010 12:12 Trizz wrote:
When BOPE joins, everyone dies. Good or bad.
(What I heard.)


Thats not ... necessarily... true

BOPE is on a huge wave of success lately, for the last 10 years or so no hostages have died in any situation, but often civilians get caught in the crossfire with them, but almost 99% of the times the stray bullet comes from the bad guys, every 3 months or so you will hear about someone who died from a stray bullet that came out of a police weapon, but they usually cover that up with masterfull media manipulation claiming the gun was stolen by the gangsters.

When the angle from the shot blows any possible cover they just admit it right away and give no names, but I cant really remember that happening in the last 5 years.
" We are not humans having spiritual experiences. - We are spirits having human experiences." - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
Gooseheaded
Profile Joined May 2009
United States126 Posts
November 26 2010 03:41 GMT
#173
On November 26 2010 12:12 Trizz wrote:
When BOPE joins, everyone dies. Good or bad.
(What I heard.)


Largely untrue.

BOPE is pretty effing brutal, that is definitely true (Watch movie, "Tropa de Elite"), but they are VERY successful in their missions.

Just look at their name, man. They are, quite literally, Brazil's Spec-Ops team.
Compare them to S.W.A.T., or Spetsnaz. They do not fuck around.

play better, macro, control
Gooseheaded
Profile Joined May 2009
United States126 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-26 03:53:18
November 26 2010 03:41 GMT
#174
Sorry, double-post.
play better, macro, control
QuoC
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States724 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-26 04:20:39
November 26 2010 04:19 GMT
#175
reminds me of this movie called My Lai (about the Vietnam War and how our American soldiers killed 400+ Vietnamese Citizens (children, mothers, grandmothers - directed to kill anything that was moving, burn any house down, cut down any plant growing, etc in this town called My Lai in 1969) in 4 HOURS and a failed attempt by the soldiers to cover it up. Very worth watching.. but anyways, stay safe man :/
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MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
November 26 2010 04:34 GMT
#176
Since everyone in brazil (and also my close brazillian friend) told me how much of a great movie Tropa De Elite was, I decided to torrent buy it.

Only to realize out of every illegal copy of Tropa De Elite in the internet, there are no reliable subs that is sync and is somewhat accurate except 1, which is this sub
http://www.opensubtitles.org/en/subtitles/3265833/tropa-de-elite-en
now because opensubtitles.org is a wonderful website, it decides to not load for me (or other members)
dats racist
jmillz
Profile Joined November 2010
73 Posts
November 26 2010 04:36 GMT
#177
oppressed poor take to the streets, brazil propaganda protrays it as gangster drug dealers terrorizing the country. hah
D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
November 26 2010 04:39 GMT
#178
On November 26 2010 13:36 jmillz wrote:
oppressed poor take to the streets, brazil propaganda protrays it as gangster drug dealers terrorizing the country. hah


Poor people dont possess guns, specially assault weapons.

Maybe in america, in Brazil not only they wouldnt have the money, but its illegal
" We are not humans having spiritual experiences. - We are spirits having human experiences." - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
Asshat
Profile Joined September 2010
593 Posts
November 26 2010 04:44 GMT
#179
On November 26 2010 13:34 MrHoon wrote:
Since everyone in brazil (and also my close brazillian friend) told me how much of a great movie Tropa De Elite was, I decided to torrent buy it.

Only to realize out of every illegal copy of Tropa De Elite in the internet, there are no reliable subs that is sync and is somewhat accurate except 1, which is this sub
http://www.opensubtitles.org/en/subtitles/3265833/tropa-de-elite-en
now because opensubtitles.org is a wonderful website, it decides to not load for me (or other members)




Not a verbatim translation, but close enough and it accurately conveys the meaning of whatever is being said.
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-26 04:47:19
November 26 2010 04:46 GMT
#180
On November 26 2010 13:44 Asshat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2010 13:34 MrHoon wrote:
Since everyone in brazil (and also my close brazillian friend) told me how much of a great movie Tropa De Elite was, I decided to torrent buy it.

Only to realize out of every illegal copy of Tropa De Elite in the internet, there are no reliable subs that is sync and is somewhat accurate except 1, which is this sub
http://www.opensubtitles.org/en/subtitles/3265833/tropa-de-elite-en
now because opensubtitles.org is a wonderful website, it decides to not load for me (or other members)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qwUFgf-2GI

Not a verbatim translation, but close enough and it accurately conveys the meaning of whatever is being said.

thank you so so so much, you have no idea how much I've been waiting to watch this with decent eng subs :D

edit: what an ironic ID for a guy like you hah
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