EPTRio de Janeiro on the edge of Civil War - Page 7
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CosmicAC
United States238 Posts
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
On November 26 2010 03:48 Durak wrote: Do the police really need to raid Complexo do Alemao? Can't they just patrol the area and make sure no one with weapons escapes? That'd probably reduce casualties by a lot and would prevent some civilian casualties. Thats what has been happening for decades, police gets payed by the bad guys, and ignores them as long as there are no AK 47 on the streets, its not the right way, those people living in the favelas are terrorized by tyranical gangsters, we should at least want to help them On November 26 2010 03:51 CosmicAC wrote: Wait, so the gangsters basically have civilian hostages? That could be really bad if they decide to put up some kind off demand and if the government doesn't' fulfill it they threaten to kill the civilians in the bunkered up area... Well the badguys are mostly poor people from the favelas as well, so they have some sense of pride in not trying to directly endanger their fellow poor people, they want to use people as human shields to inhibit action, not as actual human shields or hostages for demands, that would completely destroy their gang as not all gang members want to see random people in the favelas dying (most dont, thats where they were born) | ||
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debasers
737 Posts
The state government started with this policy to occupy the favelas and erradicate all the drug dealing in each community. They are doing it for several years now, but now the criminals are feeling that they don't have anywhere else to run, so they started all of those semi-terrorist attacks all over the place. Anyway, one good thing to notice is that is not like the hole city is in war, the shit is happenning at the poor places. Near the beach where the more whealthy live I believe everything is pretty fine. On November 26 2010 03:51 CosmicAC wrote: Wait, so the gangsters basically have civilian hostages? That could be really bad if they decide to put up some kind off demand and if the government doesn't' fulfill it they threaten to kill the civilians in the bunkered up area... I don't think they would do that, as a matter of fact, the gangsters actually "like" the people of their favelas, and they kinda support them at a certain point. I mean, it's not like they actually like them, but there is a mutual relationship. | ||
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Gleen
Brazil707 Posts
On November 26 2010 03:51 debasers wrote: Anyway, one good thing to notice is that is not like the hole city is in war, the shit is happenning at the poor places. Near the beach where the more whealthy live I believe everything is pretty fine. Actually, there are some attacks all over the city, shootings at police departments, setting various vehicles on fire and stealing raids. | ||
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
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Durak
Canada3685 Posts
On November 26 2010 03:51 D10 wrote: Thats what has been happening for decades, police gets payed by the bad guys, and ignores them as long as there are no AK 47 on the streets, its not the right way, those people living in the favelas are terrorized by tyranical gangsters, we should at least want to help them Sounds like that's a corruption problem in the police then. I made that comment in the context of the short-term. Now that they've coralled the gangsters into one favela, they should probably proceed cautiously. I was suggesting that they form a solid perimeter and then do progressive raids. Do you think it would be more effective to charge and shoot everyone holding a weapon? (Honest question) | ||
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NIIINO
Slovakia1320 Posts
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St0rmRush
Brazil448 Posts
http://globonews.globo.com/videos/v/globo-news-ao-vivo/61910 its in portuguese, of course, but you can see the action and get an idea | ||
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
On November 26 2010 03:59 Durak wrote: Sounds like that's a corruption problem in the police then. I made that comment in the context of the short-term. Now that they've coralled the gangsters into one favela, they should probably proceed cautiously. I was suggesting that they form a solid perimeter and then do progressive raids. Do you think it would be more effective to charge and shoot everyone holding a weapon? (Honest question) No, rio has more than 800 favelas, these dangerous criminals burning cars and killing people are a small fraction of the power of organized crime, they need to take this on baby steps and make no mistakes, the potential for escalation is absurd | ||
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Skullflower
United States3779 Posts
On November 26 2010 03:24 CosmicAC wrote: Man this is the kind of shit i'm scared about... war where I actually live. Don't die bro. Depending on where you live in the US war is actually very close. | ||
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polgas
Canada1791 Posts
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Tekin
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leandroqm
Netherlands874 Posts
You don't need to live in Brazil to know that Rio de Janeiro has the biggest favelas in the world and has an incredible machine that is the organized crime. If "we" want to host the world cup/olympics/whatever "we" really needed to sweep the dirt off the house and not under the carpet, as has been done for so long. I really don't care where the world cup will be hosted, I prefer to watch it at home, anyway. What I *do* care is about the life of those people living in the favelas threatened by the organized crime. Too bad that a really big event was necessary for the police/government/etc take responsibility for what is happening and do something about it. Anyways, lets just hope everything ends well. | ||
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night terrors
China1284 Posts
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Caos2
United States1728 Posts
On November 26 2010 01:46 Delta__ wrote: (...) After Rio was chosen to host the 2016 olympics summer games and also some soccer games of the 2014 World Cup, all the world wasn't very sure if the "public security" of the city could handle such a thing, so the goverment came up with a thing that they call "UPP", which means "Pacifier Police Unit", this is a police headquarter that they want to build in every "favela" that is dominated by criminals, so they can take the control of these areas back to the State. So far they have been succesful executing this plan and building an UPP in some small favelas, but the thing is, after the police took control of some areas that were dominated by criminals, they didn't killed or arrested every one that was involved with the "mafia", so these ones that scaped had to go somewhere else, and they went to this exactly favela that the police is trying to build an UPP right now, the "Complexo do Alemão". The police found out that they were all hidden there because some leaders of the mafia in here ordered the bandits to make attaks in order to show the police that they didn't like the UPP thing. So all the mafia members went out the street making vandalism arround the Complexo do Alemão area, and by doing so they just got the police attention to that area and now they're so damn fucked up because this time the State really wants to put an end to their "drugs kingdom", only because of the 2014 & 2016 things. A good summary. As we all know, people act crazier when cornered, that's what's happening in Rio. On November 26 2010 03:48 Durak wrote: Do the police really need to raid Complexo do Alemao? Can't they just patrol the area and make sure no one with weapons escapes? That'd probably reduce casualties by a lot and would prevent some civilian casualties. The favelas are the world's biggest mazes, there are tons of hidden passages inside and passageways to the outside. Most favelas are on the hills (people live there because there was nothing there before so they invade and build house), which make invasions that much harder. | ||
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Ghad
Norway2551 Posts
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
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Angryhorse
Sweden387 Posts
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Jswizzy
United States791 Posts
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night terrors
China1284 Posts
On November 26 2010 06:51 Jswizzy wrote: I was in the Navy and Rio was one of the ports we hit. I most say that Rio is the scariest play I have ever been. Cmon man dont leave us hanging with that. Why is is the scariest place you've been to? | ||
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