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Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
November 30 2010 09:17 GMT
#2781
On November 30 2010 01:24 MrHoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2010 01:20 Hemling wrote:
South Korean defense minister Kim Tae-young was questioned by one politician why the South's retaliation was delayed 13 minutes and not forceful enough, to which Kim replied, "This isn't StarCraft."
link

quite old but still

the retaliation delay was only 13 minutes, not to mention it was a total surprise attack
I don't understand why the defense minister 'retired'
The South Korean navy assembled around 8-10 K9 thunders, loaded them with weapons, went up a relatively large hill and returned fire within 13 minutes.

Can any of you tech/war/army buffs explain to me why this response is criticized for being incredibly 'slow'? (serious question no sarcasm intended)


I'm in the US Air Force and I'd say that timing is pretty damn good. I'm not going to talk about American response times, but yeah... LOL all I'm going to say is Osan, Korea still can't drink alcohol since this epidemic began. I don't think our Osan AF commander trusts us to respond without cutting off our alcohol.

I love to drink... I'm having withdrawal syndromes right now.
GL HF... YOLO..lololollol.
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
November 30 2010 09:42 GMT
#2782
On November 30 2010 18:17 Silentness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2010 01:24 MrHoon wrote:
On November 30 2010 01:20 Hemling wrote:
South Korean defense minister Kim Tae-young was questioned by one politician why the South's retaliation was delayed 13 minutes and not forceful enough, to which Kim replied, "This isn't StarCraft."
link

quite old but still

the retaliation delay was only 13 minutes, not to mention it was a total surprise attack
I don't understand why the defense minister 'retired'
The South Korean navy assembled around 8-10 K9 thunders, loaded them with weapons, went up a relatively large hill and returned fire within 13 minutes.

Can any of you tech/war/army buffs explain to me why this response is criticized for being incredibly 'slow'? (serious question no sarcasm intended)


I'm in the US Air Force and I'd say that timing is pretty damn good. I'm not going to talk about American response times, but yeah... LOL all I'm going to say is Osan, Korea still can't drink alcohol since this epidemic began. I don't think our Osan AF commander trusts us to respond without cutting off our alcohol.

I love to drink... I'm having withdrawal syndromes right now.

Is your commander still telling you guys to be on alert?
Sounds like you guys had an awful thanksgiving
dats racist
Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
November 30 2010 09:45 GMT
#2783
On November 30 2010 18:42 MrHoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2010 18:17 Silentness wrote:
On November 30 2010 01:24 MrHoon wrote:
On November 30 2010 01:20 Hemling wrote:
South Korean defense minister Kim Tae-young was questioned by one politician why the South's retaliation was delayed 13 minutes and not forceful enough, to which Kim replied, "This isn't StarCraft."
link

quite old but still

the retaliation delay was only 13 minutes, not to mention it was a total surprise attack
I don't understand why the defense minister 'retired'
The South Korean navy assembled around 8-10 K9 thunders, loaded them with weapons, went up a relatively large hill and returned fire within 13 minutes.

Can any of you tech/war/army buffs explain to me why this response is criticized for being incredibly 'slow'? (serious question no sarcasm intended)


I'm in the US Air Force and I'd say that timing is pretty damn good. I'm not going to talk about American response times, but yeah... LOL all I'm going to say is Osan, Korea still can't drink alcohol since this epidemic began. I don't think our Osan AF commander trusts us to respond without cutting off our alcohol.

I love to drink... I'm having withdrawal syndromes right now.

Is your commander still telling you guys to be on alert?
Sounds like you guys had an awful thanksgiving


Depends on the guy. For some, it was an amazing thanksgiving.
SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters.
Tiberius[VcK]
Profile Joined November 2010
61 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 09:59:19
November 30 2010 09:49 GMT
#2784
Nothing is gonna happen in Korea. Both sides have too much at stake. The North is not gonna attack because they know they would get annihilated in a matter of days, and the US/South Korea is not gonna attack because there would be too many civilian casualties. Seoul is located very close to the border.

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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42414 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 09:58:44
November 30 2010 09:53 GMT
#2785
^ what a nice promote.

Wondering how the wikileaks is actually going to affect this. Is china really ready to abandon NK. After all the last week's business agreements etc
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
November 30 2010 10:02 GMT
#2786
On November 30 2010 18:17 Silentness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2010 01:24 MrHoon wrote:
On November 30 2010 01:20 Hemling wrote:
South Korean defense minister Kim Tae-young was questioned by one politician why the South's retaliation was delayed 13 minutes and not forceful enough, to which Kim replied, "This isn't StarCraft."
link

quite old but still

the retaliation delay was only 13 minutes, not to mention it was a total surprise attack
I don't understand why the defense minister 'retired'
The South Korean navy assembled around 8-10 K9 thunders, loaded them with weapons, went up a relatively large hill and returned fire within 13 minutes.

Can any of you tech/war/army buffs explain to me why this response is criticized for being incredibly 'slow'? (serious question no sarcasm intended)


I'm in the US Air Force and I'd say that timing is pretty damn good. I'm not going to talk about American response times, but yeah... LOL all I'm going to say is Osan, Korea still can't drink alcohol since this epidemic began. I don't think our Osan AF commander trusts us to respond without cutting off our alcohol.

I love to drink... I'm having withdrawal syndromes right now.

Wasn't the problem that the South navy was exercising live drills under full combat readiness at the time that made people criticize the 13 minutes response time? They should have been able to respond immediately.

I don’t know how the exact situation on the ground was or whether the navy even was in a position to return fire but I think that was what exerted the pressure on SK’s defense secretary to resign.
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Lowkin
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada232 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 10:09:15
November 30 2010 10:03 GMT
#2787
On November 30 2010 18:53 Grettin wrote:
^ what a nice promote.

Wondering how the wikileaks is actually going to affect this. Is china really ready to abandon NK. After all the last week's business agreements etc


Yea I don't think North Korea is gonna feel to happy about those comments if they read it. I predict they ignore it completely, and act as if its US propaganda.

Its nice knowing that KimJong il is trying to get the country ready for rule under his son by getting help from china. To me it indicates that he has no plans of leaving this world in a blaze of glory and nuclear fallout.
SpectreSOF
Profile Joined July 2010
United States74 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 10:07:56
November 30 2010 10:03 GMT
#2788
Wait what? can someone actually link to a wikileaks document saying China wants N Korea to collapse? I know for sure there are documents saying Arab governments wanted the US to take out Iran's nuclear program, but China ready to let N Korea go is kind of a stretch. That makes no sense, N Korea is a convenient thorn in the US' side, not to mention should the regime collapse China would be faced with a huge wave of refugees flooding in from the border between the two countries. Not to mention Beijing would risk seeing a unified Korean peninsula under a US aligned government.

EDIT: nevermind, found a reference to the wikileak document myself: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/29/wikileaks-cables-china-reunified-korea
The road to victory is a path paved with blood and corpses
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42414 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 10:18:30
November 30 2010 10:07 GMT
#2789
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/29/wikileaks-cables-china-reunified-korea
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11871641

Heres couple links i found by checkin the last couple pages. No idea where the leak doc is though.

Edit:
North Korea warns of all-out war

North Korea warned Tuesday that the continuing military drills by the United States and South Korea could lead to "all-out war any time."



http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/11/30/koreas.crisis/index.html?eref=edition

Again it seems..

"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
November 30 2010 10:20 GMT
#2790
On November 30 2010 18:42 MrHoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2010 18:17 Silentness wrote:
On November 30 2010 01:24 MrHoon wrote:
On November 30 2010 01:20 Hemling wrote:
South Korean defense minister Kim Tae-young was questioned by one politician why the South's retaliation was delayed 13 minutes and not forceful enough, to which Kim replied, "This isn't StarCraft."
link

quite old but still

the retaliation delay was only 13 minutes, not to mention it was a total surprise attack
I don't understand why the defense minister 'retired'
The South Korean navy assembled around 8-10 K9 thunders, loaded them with weapons, went up a relatively large hill and returned fire within 13 minutes.

Can any of you tech/war/army buffs explain to me why this response is criticized for being incredibly 'slow'? (serious question no sarcasm intended)


I'm in the US Air Force and I'd say that timing is pretty damn good. I'm not going to talk about American response times, but yeah... LOL all I'm going to say is Osan, Korea still can't drink alcohol since this epidemic began. I don't think our Osan AF commander trusts us to respond without cutting off our alcohol.

I love to drink... I'm having withdrawal syndromes right now.

Is your commander still telling you guys to be on alert?
Sounds like you guys had an awful thanksgiving


Yeah my thanksgiving was good.

A navy friend of mine had to work because of the naval drills, but other than that it's been pretty "normal" day of operations. The Osan base commander talked to us today at a promotion ceremony and told everyone that we're not getting off the alcohol restriction anytime soon. Oh well.

I understand the reasoning behind it. US/SK should be ready to fight in case North Korea actually starts a full out attack, but then HOW COME every other military installation on the Korean peninsula can drink as much as they want? WTF? Seriously it's hurting a lot of Korean people in this area because Osan has a TON of bars/clubs that are losing alcohol revenue.
GL HF... YOLO..lololollol.
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
November 30 2010 10:32 GMT
#2791
I love how North Korea says "If the U.S. and the South Korean war-like forces fire even a shell into the inviolable land and territorial waters of the DPRK, they will have to pay dearly for this" in Grettlin's link, but it's completely fine for them to bombard a civilian village, regardless of provocations..
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3007 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 10:40:28
November 30 2010 10:34 GMT
#2792
Looks like South Korea, USA AND China's patience is running thin.
At this pace, one day, North Korea will be like "Lets fire a missile at South Korea. Nothing will happen."
Some 30 min later, "Oh shit..." Calls China "Hey, can you guys send some reinforcement?"
China "No..."
"fack...."
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42414 Posts
November 30 2010 10:41 GMT
#2793
S. Korea's counterfire killed one N. Korean officer, wounded two: activist

SEOUL, Nov. 30 (Yonhap) -- An anti-North Korea activist in Seoul said Tuesday that North Korea suffered just one death from South Korea's return fire during cross-border gunfire exchanges in the Yellow Sea on Nov. 23.

Choi Sung-yong, the head of a group of relatives of South Koreans kidnapped by North Korea, told reporters that he has obtained intelligence that one North Korean officer was killed and two soldiers were wounded by South Korean artillery fired from Yeonpyeong Island.


http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2010/11/30/0200000000AEN20101130008900315.HTML
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Slacker
Profile Joined March 2010
Finland32 Posts
November 30 2010 10:42 GMT
#2794
http://kotaku.com/5700983/south-korean-politician-on-korean-crisis-this-isnt-starcraft
hubfub
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Australia352 Posts
November 30 2010 10:57 GMT
#2795
On November 30 2010 19:42 Slacker wrote:
http://kotaku.com/5700983/south-korean-politician-on-korean-crisis-this-isnt-starcraft


is that a joke????

if not .. thats quite cool
Meiya
Profile Joined August 2007
Australia1169 Posts
November 30 2010 10:57 GMT
#2796
On November 30 2010 19:42 Slacker wrote:
http://kotaku.com/5700983/south-korean-politician-on-korean-crisis-this-isnt-starcraft


That has been posted countless times and was posted again about 3 pages ago. Fucking halt, hammerzeit. We get it; breaking news, people in South Korea have heard of Starcraft more at 11. If you think something like that hasn't popped up in nearly 150 pages of discussion on the largest SC forum in existence then perhaps you should try getting a feel of things around here before continuing to post.

This buildup of tensions just keeps going and is unusually strong, and it does make me wonder if the DPRK really was trying to force more money out of the US or if they have a somewhat more dangerous motive. I find it hard to credit the military and political elite of North Korea actually *want* a showdown with the US/ROK, because with Chinese support looking less and less likely their final trump card (playing China off vs the US, as China complained about in the cables) is looking pretty much sunk.

Does anybody have an idea of what they really were planning by initiating all of this? Because I'm struggling to figure it out.

Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42414 Posts
November 30 2010 11:15 GMT
#2797
Seems like NK saw the "wikileak" or then its just a coincidence.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-11-30/kim-jong-il-sends-top-aide-to-beijing-as-diplomacy-founders.html
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
StiX
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands220 Posts
November 30 2010 14:11 GMT
#2798
On November 30 2010 11:56 DisBabylonSystem wrote:
I dont act in the name of Jah, I'm not sure if a "god" exists or not.

Maybe I do burn too much, but I'm pretty sure I just care about life.


I love people like you .. Props
"Think for yourself, question authority" Timothy Leary
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
November 30 2010 18:21 GMT
#2799
http://news.naver.com/main/hotissue/read.nhn?mid=hot&sid1=100&cid=307268&iid=9598771&oid=028&aid=0002070889&ptype=011

i thought this was funny...

From Senataor Hwang Jin Ha
[image loading]
1. "This is an artillery shell."
2. "And this must be 76mm..."
"Ah, so this is a howitzer shell"
3. "This has a label...doesn't look like a shell"
4. "This isn't a shell, its a thermos!"
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Kezzer
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1268 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 18:38:43
November 30 2010 18:37 GMT
#2800
Judging from what I'm hearing of these attacks, I have a question... How is it that only 4 people were killed in the shellings on South Korea's side? I figured an artillery strike would kill a lot more people than that...

And then SK's counterfire killed one person? Didn't they counterfire to kill? I don't really understand why these were so ineffective. Unless they were just scare tactics.

EDIT: 2 civilians and 2 soldiers, so 4 dead on SK
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