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On November 30 2010 01:24 MrHoon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 01:20 Hemling wrote:South Korean defense minister Kim Tae-young was questioned by one politician why the South's retaliation was delayed 13 minutes and not forceful enough, to which Kim replied, "This isn't StarCraft."link quite old but still the retaliation delay was only 13 minutes, not to mention it was a total surprise attack I don't understand why the defense minister 'retired' The South Korean navy assembled around 8-10 K9 thunders, loaded them with weapons, went up a relatively large hill and returned fire within 13 minutes. Can any of you tech/war/army buffs explain to me why this response is criticized for being incredibly 'slow'? (serious question no sarcasm intended)
I'm in the US Air Force and I'd say that timing is pretty damn good. I'm not going to talk about American response times, but yeah... LOL all I'm going to say is Osan, Korea still can't drink alcohol since this epidemic began. I don't think our Osan AF commander trusts us to respond without cutting off our alcohol.
I love to drink... I'm having withdrawal syndromes right now.
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On November 30 2010 18:17 Silentness wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 01:24 MrHoon wrote:On November 30 2010 01:20 Hemling wrote:South Korean defense minister Kim Tae-young was questioned by one politician why the South's retaliation was delayed 13 minutes and not forceful enough, to which Kim replied, "This isn't StarCraft."link quite old but still the retaliation delay was only 13 minutes, not to mention it was a total surprise attack I don't understand why the defense minister 'retired' The South Korean navy assembled around 8-10 K9 thunders, loaded them with weapons, went up a relatively large hill and returned fire within 13 minutes. Can any of you tech/war/army buffs explain to me why this response is criticized for being incredibly 'slow'? (serious question no sarcasm intended) I'm in the US Air Force and I'd say that timing is pretty damn good. I'm not going to talk about American response times, but yeah... LOL all I'm going to say is Osan, Korea still can't drink alcohol since this epidemic began. I don't think our Osan AF commander trusts us to respond without cutting off our alcohol. I love to drink... I'm having withdrawal syndromes right now.
Is your commander still telling you guys to be on alert?
Sounds like you guys had an awful thanksgiving 
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On November 30 2010 18:42 MrHoon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 18:17 Silentness wrote:On November 30 2010 01:24 MrHoon wrote:On November 30 2010 01:20 Hemling wrote:South Korean defense minister Kim Tae-young was questioned by one politician why the South's retaliation was delayed 13 minutes and not forceful enough, to which Kim replied, "This isn't StarCraft."link quite old but still the retaliation delay was only 13 minutes, not to mention it was a total surprise attack I don't understand why the defense minister 'retired' The South Korean navy assembled around 8-10 K9 thunders, loaded them with weapons, went up a relatively large hill and returned fire within 13 minutes. Can any of you tech/war/army buffs explain to me why this response is criticized for being incredibly 'slow'? (serious question no sarcasm intended) I'm in the US Air Force and I'd say that timing is pretty damn good. I'm not going to talk about American response times, but yeah... LOL all I'm going to say is Osan, Korea still can't drink alcohol since this epidemic began. I don't think our Osan AF commander trusts us to respond without cutting off our alcohol. I love to drink... I'm having withdrawal syndromes right now. Is your commander still telling you guys to be on alert? Sounds like you guys had an awful thanksgiving
Depends on the guy. For some, it was an amazing thanksgiving.
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Nothing is gonna happen in Korea. Both sides have too much at stake. The North is not gonna attack because they know they would get annihilated in a matter of days, and the US/South Korea is not gonna attack because there would be too many civilian casualties. Seoul is located very close to the border.
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^ what a nice promote.
Wondering how the wikileaks is actually going to affect this. Is china really ready to abandon NK. After all the last week's business agreements etc
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On November 30 2010 18:17 Silentness wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 01:24 MrHoon wrote:On November 30 2010 01:20 Hemling wrote:South Korean defense minister Kim Tae-young was questioned by one politician why the South's retaliation was delayed 13 minutes and not forceful enough, to which Kim replied, "This isn't StarCraft."link quite old but still the retaliation delay was only 13 minutes, not to mention it was a total surprise attack I don't understand why the defense minister 'retired' The South Korean navy assembled around 8-10 K9 thunders, loaded them with weapons, went up a relatively large hill and returned fire within 13 minutes. Can any of you tech/war/army buffs explain to me why this response is criticized for being incredibly 'slow'? (serious question no sarcasm intended) I'm in the US Air Force and I'd say that timing is pretty damn good. I'm not going to talk about American response times, but yeah... LOL all I'm going to say is Osan, Korea still can't drink alcohol since this epidemic began. I don't think our Osan AF commander trusts us to respond without cutting off our alcohol. I love to drink... I'm having withdrawal syndromes right now.
Wasn't the problem that the South navy was exercising live drills under full combat readiness at the time that made people criticize the 13 minutes response time? They should have been able to respond immediately.
I don’t know how the exact situation on the ground was or whether the navy even was in a position to return fire but I think that was what exerted the pressure on SK’s defense secretary to resign.
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On November 30 2010 18:53 Grettin wrote:
^ what a nice promote.
Wondering how the wikileaks is actually going to affect this. Is china really ready to abandon NK. After all the last week's business agreements etc
Yea I don't think North Korea is gonna feel to happy about those comments if they read it. I predict they ignore it completely, and act as if its US propaganda.
Its nice knowing that KimJong il is trying to get the country ready for rule under his son by getting help from china. To me it indicates that he has no plans of leaving this world in a blaze of glory and nuclear fallout.
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Wait what? can someone actually link to a wikileaks document saying China wants N Korea to collapse? I know for sure there are documents saying Arab governments wanted the US to take out Iran's nuclear program, but China ready to let N Korea go is kind of a stretch. That makes no sense, N Korea is a convenient thorn in the US' side, not to mention should the regime collapse China would be faced with a huge wave of refugees flooding in from the border between the two countries. Not to mention Beijing would risk seeing a unified Korean peninsula under a US aligned government.
EDIT: nevermind, found a reference to the wikileak document myself: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/29/wikileaks-cables-china-reunified-korea
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On November 30 2010 18:42 MrHoon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 18:17 Silentness wrote:On November 30 2010 01:24 MrHoon wrote:On November 30 2010 01:20 Hemling wrote:South Korean defense minister Kim Tae-young was questioned by one politician why the South's retaliation was delayed 13 minutes and not forceful enough, to which Kim replied, "This isn't StarCraft."link quite old but still the retaliation delay was only 13 minutes, not to mention it was a total surprise attack I don't understand why the defense minister 'retired' The South Korean navy assembled around 8-10 K9 thunders, loaded them with weapons, went up a relatively large hill and returned fire within 13 minutes. Can any of you tech/war/army buffs explain to me why this response is criticized for being incredibly 'slow'? (serious question no sarcasm intended) I'm in the US Air Force and I'd say that timing is pretty damn good. I'm not going to talk about American response times, but yeah... LOL all I'm going to say is Osan, Korea still can't drink alcohol since this epidemic began. I don't think our Osan AF commander trusts us to respond without cutting off our alcohol. I love to drink... I'm having withdrawal syndromes right now. Is your commander still telling you guys to be on alert? Sounds like you guys had an awful thanksgiving
Yeah my thanksgiving was good.
A navy friend of mine had to work because of the naval drills, but other than that it's been pretty "normal" day of operations. The Osan base commander talked to us today at a promotion ceremony and told everyone that we're not getting off the alcohol restriction anytime soon. Oh well.
I understand the reasoning behind it. US/SK should be ready to fight in case North Korea actually starts a full out attack, but then HOW COME every other military installation on the Korean peninsula can drink as much as they want? WTF? Seriously it's hurting a lot of Korean people in this area because Osan has a TON of bars/clubs that are losing alcohol revenue.
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I love how North Korea says "If the U.S. and the South Korean war-like forces fire even a shell into the inviolable land and territorial waters of the DPRK, they will have to pay dearly for this" in Grettlin's link, but it's completely fine for them to bombard a civilian village, regardless of provocations..
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Looks like South Korea, USA AND China's patience is running thin.
At this pace, one day, North Korea will be like "Lets fire a missile at South Korea. Nothing will happen."
Some 30 min later, "Oh shit..." Calls China "Hey, can you guys send some reinforcement?"
China "No..."
"fack...."
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S. Korea's counterfire killed one N. Korean officer, wounded two: activist
SEOUL, Nov. 30 (Yonhap) -- An anti-North Korea activist in Seoul said Tuesday that North Korea suffered just one death from South Korea's return fire during cross-border gunfire exchanges in the Yellow Sea on Nov. 23.
Choi Sung-yong, the head of a group of relatives of South Koreans kidnapped by North Korea, told reporters that he has obtained intelligence that one North Korean officer was killed and two soldiers were wounded by South Korean artillery fired from Yeonpyeong Island.
http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2010/11/30/0200000000AEN20101130008900315.HTML
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is that a joke????
if not .. thats quite cool
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That has been posted countless times and was posted again about 3 pages ago. Fucking halt, hammerzeit. We get it; breaking news, people in South Korea have heard of Starcraft more at 11. If you think something like that hasn't popped up in nearly 150 pages of discussion on the largest SC forum in existence then perhaps you should try getting a feel of things around here before continuing to post.
This buildup of tensions just keeps going and is unusually strong, and it does make me wonder if the DPRK really was trying to force more money out of the US or if they have a somewhat more dangerous motive. I find it hard to credit the military and political elite of North Korea actually *want* a showdown with the US/ROK, because with Chinese support looking less and less likely their final trump card (playing China off vs the US, as China complained about in the cables) is looking pretty much sunk.
Does anybody have an idea of what they really were planning by initiating all of this? Because I'm struggling to figure it out.
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On November 30 2010 11:56 DisBabylonSystem wrote:
I dont act in the name of Jah, I'm not sure if a "god" exists or not.
Maybe I do burn too much, but I'm pretty sure I just care about life.
I love people like you  .. Props
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Judging from what I'm hearing of these attacks, I have a question... How is it that only 4 people were killed in the shellings on South Korea's side? I figured an artillery strike would kill a lot more people than that...
And then SK's counterfire killed one person? Didn't they counterfire to kill? I don't really understand why these were so ineffective. Unless they were just scare tactics.
EDIT: 2 civilians and 2 soldiers, so 4 dead on SK
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