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Ashera
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Lowkin
Canada232 Posts
On November 30 2010 13:05 One wrote: The article says it was just part of the planned military drills that we already knew about, nothing really new or noteworthy. This article doesn't make any mention of them going to the yellow sea. Also it says that it was planned to deploy to the Indian Ocean/Western Pacific before the North Korea altercation. But then again they can't say we are sending more carriers closer to the yellow sea just incase shit hits the fan. If only there was a way to see carrier locations It would be interesting to see how there positions have changed over the last couple of weeks to see what the US government might be thinking. On November 30 2010 13:21 mikku wrote: Plenty of people are sure. Its just not proof and doesn't make it true or not People believe god exists. There is a difference between believing he exists and knowing he exists. | ||
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Game
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Germany: "Hey... gentlemen... would you like to maybe come invade Poland with us?" Russia: "That sounds great wanna split their base right down the middle?" Germany: "Exactly what we had in mind!" Russia: "Ok go for it, let's do this." Germany: "AHAHAHA FAZERLAND RAPE ZE MOZERLAND OURS NOW BEETCHES!!!" China tells US it's "ok", but they keep it afterwards. US slowly creeps brings warships to NK. Sequence of events to follow. | ||
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ReaverDrop!
Canada81 Posts
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On November 30 2010 15:20 ReaverDrop! wrote: Just throwing this link down again for anyone who missed it, its a very good documentary on the situation in Nkr and is, to the best of my belief the only REAL documentary on North Korea at the moment. http://www.vbs.tv/en-ca/watch/the-vice-guide-to-travel/vice-guide-to-north-korea-1-of-3 good documentary, though its been posted a lot of times already in this thread  | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On November 30 2010 13:05 One wrote: The article says it was just part of the planned military drills that we already knew about, nothing really new or noteworthy. Two carriers as part of the same drill near North Korea ... sounds pretty noteworthy to me. | ||
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Lowkin
Canada232 Posts
On November 30 2010 15:38 a176 wrote: Two carriers as part of the same drill near North Korea ... sounds pretty noteworthy to me. If you read the article it says nothing of them being part of the same drill. Unless I am completely illiterate. Its just another Carrier and its fleet moving to the Indian/Western Pacific Ocean on a mission to maintain regional stability. The mission was already pre-determined before the North Korean attack althought that may just be a pretext for them sending more military ships closer to the yellow sea. | ||
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luckySe7en
148 Posts
On November 30 2010 15:38 a176 wrote: Two carriers as part of the same drill near North Korea ... sounds pretty noteworthy to me. i really don't understand any of this military power posing to see which side is more powerful. so US is more powerful with carriers and has more nukes. what does it matter though because whether we win or lose, there are nukes going off everywhere. nuke war even the winner loses, so what is the deal with all this posing to see who's the strongest. | ||
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NoobieOne
United States1183 Posts
On November 30 2010 12:37 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: I like how the situation was the same a few years back when we were invading the middle east. America under Bush: "PROTECT OUR FREEDOM, NEED TO INVADE!" Afghanistan: "oh fk getting bombed" Kim Jong Il: "HAY GUYS I HAVE MISSILES TOO" USA: "WAAAAAAAARRRRRR (on terrorrrrrrrr) IN AFGHANISTANNNNNN" KJI: "I HAVE NUCLEAR MISSILES, IM GOING TO BROW YOU UP UNLESS YOU RISTEN TO ME" USA: "IRAQ SUPPORTING TERROR!!!!!! WMDS!!!! INVADE THEM TOO!!!!!!" Iraq: "wtf" KJI: "FUCKING RISTEN TO ME YOU STUPID PIECE OF SHIT" This has to be the best post in the thread. North Korea just wants to keep attention on them as a threat because they don't want to seem week. In reality the country is dieing of starvation but nobody thinks of a week country when people talk about them because of their aggression. | ||
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Endymion
United States3701 Posts
On November 30 2010 15:41 luckySe7en wrote: i really don't understand any of this military power posing to see which side is more powerful. so US is more powerful with carriers and has more nukes. what does it matter though because whether we win or lose, there are nukes going off everywhere. nuke war even the winner loses, so what is the deal with all this posing to see who's the strongest. US/SK aren't going to use nukes, and NK more than likely doesn't have the ability to deploy them. Yep, sounds like a "nuke war" to me. The fact that the US has a sizable military force near the Korean peninsula acts as a deterrent to war, thats why they are stationing them there. In other words, to "maintain regional stability." | ||
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Deadlyhazard
United States1177 Posts
On November 30 2010 15:45 NoobieOne wrote: This has to be the best post in the thread. North Korea just wants to keep attention on them as a threat because they don't want to seem week. In reality the country is dieing of starvation but nobody thinks of a week country when people talk about them because of their aggression. Is it wrong I read the entire USA portion in George Bush's voice? | ||
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Lowkin
Canada232 Posts
On November 30 2010 15:41 luckySe7en wrote: i really don't understand any of this military power posing to see which side is more powerful. so US is more powerful with carriers and has more nukes. what does it matter though because whether we win or lose, there are nukes going off everywhere. nuke war even the winner loses, so what is the deal with all this posing to see who's the strongest. They are not doing the drills to see what side is more powerful. They are doing it to show North Korea their strength and subliminally saying "we will fucking destroy you if you attack South Korea again". They are doing this because they in fact wish to avoid war and they have to do something in retaliation to the attack on civilians. How else would you go about this other than demanding North Korea pay damages and give a formal apology. Which they won't do because they claim South Korea attacked first. Everyone knows whos stronger even North Korea. | ||
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ZerglingSoup
United States346 Posts
On November 30 2010 15:58 Lowkin wrote: They are not doing the drills to see what side is more powerful. They are doing it to show North Korea their strength and subliminally saying "we will fucking destroy you if you attack South Korea again". They are doing this because they in fact wish to avoid war and they have to do something in retaliation to the attack on civilians. How else would you go about this other than demanding North Korea pay damages and give a formal apology. Which they won't do because they claim South Korea attacked first. Everyone knows whos stronger even North Korea. That's the point where China appears to disagree right now. Peace through superior firepower is a good thought if the country being intimidated shows signs of sanity.. However, the NKR system is built on a facade of invincibility, so to preserve its own authority it has to show that it is not afraid of anything and that it does not believe any military is more powerful than its own, leaving the world to wonder if the NKR leadership will take the whole country down sooner than losing its face in front of its populace. I think China understands this as it is a mindset that they have been moving away from recently, which is why they are advising the US not to push NKR into doing anything that would start a war. It wouldn't be foolhardy to at least understand China's point here. It seems to me that if SKR wanted to let off some steam, it could turn the tables on them. Maybe launch a missile to knock down the giant statue of their great leader or knock a hole in the royal palace and leave it up to NKR to see if they want to try and invade the south.. Certainly if NKR can fire on SKR sovereign without igniting a full scale war, SKR ought to be able to bring some humiliation without committing as well. I just don't know how that could end well... I'd rather see this end peacefully, because I think it still has a chance. | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
They're busy in Iraq... finding all those... WMDs wasn't it? | ||
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ZerglingSoup
United States346 Posts
On November 30 2010 17:00 Euronyme wrote: I doubt the US will get involved.. There's no oil in NK. They're busy in Iraq... finding all those... WMDs wasn't it? zzzing! | ||
infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
More confirmation of China's stance on NK. | ||
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Meiya
Australia1169 Posts
On November 30 2010 16:57 ZerglingSoup wrote: That's the point where China appears to disagree right now. Peace through superior firepower is a good thought if the country being intimidated shows signs of sanity.. However, the NKR system is built on a facade of invincibility, so to preserve its own authority it has to show that it is not afraid of anything and that it does not believe any military is more powerful than its own, leaving the world to wonder if the NKR leadership will take the whole country down sooner than losing its face in front of its populace. I think China understands this as it is a mindset that they have been moving away from recently, which is why they are advising the US not to push NKR into doing anything that would start a war. It wouldn't be foolhardy to at least understand China's point here. It seems to me that if SKR wanted to let off some steam, it could turn the tables on them. Maybe launch a missile to knock down the giant statue of their great leader or knock a hole in the royal palace and leave it up to NKR to see if they want to try and invade the south.. Certainly if NKR can fire on SKR sovereign without igniting a full scale war, SKR ought to be able to bring some humiliation without committing as well. I just don't know how that could end well... I'd rather see this end peacefully, because I think it still has a chance. What you are not mentioning is that North Korea's people only know what they are told. The US could send carrier groups all day and the North Korean government will tell its people that the US are fruitlessly trying to intimidate the invincible People's Navy, which is glorious and powerful and unbeatable, and they'll believe it because they know no other way. North Korea doesn't have to do a damn thing to impress its people, it is its standing with the rest of the world that is important to them. Specifically, how much money they are getting. On November 30 2010 17:00 Euronyme wrote: I doubt the US will get involved.. There's no oil in NK. They're busy in Iraq... finding all those... WMDs wasn't it? I get the feeling we've done this before. | ||
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Ballistixz
United States1269 Posts
On November 30 2010 12:37 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: I like how the situation was the same a few years back when we were invading the middle east. America under Bush: "PROTECT OUR FREEDOM, NEED TO INVADE!" Afghanistan: "oh fk getting bombed" Kim Jong Il: "HAY GUYS I HAVE MISSILES TOO" USA: "WAAAAAAAARRRRRR (on terrorrrrrrrr) IN AFGHANISTANNNNNN" KJI: "I HAVE NUCLEAR MISSILES, IM GOING TO BROW YOU UP UNLESS YOU RISTEN TO ME" USA: "IRAQ SUPPORTING TERROR!!!!!! WMDS!!!! INVADE THEM TOO!!!!!!" Iraq: "wtf" KJI: "FUCKING RISTEN TO ME YOU STUPID PIECE OF SHIT" LOL! funniest thing i read in this thread since it started. also ur name makes me chuckle aswell. | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On November 30 2010 17:55 Jugglenaught wrote: What you are not mentioning is that North Korea's people only know what they are told. The US could send carrier groups all day and the North Korean government will tell its people that the US are fruitlessly trying to intimidate the invincible People's Navy, which is glorious and powerful and unbeatable, and they'll believe it because they know no other way. North Korea doesn't have to do a damn thing to impress its people, it is its standing with the rest of the world that is important to them. Specifically, how much money they are getting. I get the feeling we've done this before. Yes and the upper brass who are in the know have pride too and won't take too kindly to uncle sam flexing muscle in what they consider their backyard. | ||
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ZerglingSoup
United States346 Posts
On November 30 2010 17:55 Jugglenaught wrote: What you are not mentioning is that North Korea's people only know what they are told. The US could send carrier groups all day and the North Korean government will tell its people that the US are fruitlessly trying to intimidate the invincible People's Navy, which is glorious and powerful and unbeatable, and they'll believe it because they know no other way. North Korea doesn't have to do a damn thing to impress its people, it is its standing with the rest of the world that is important to them. Specifically, how much money they are getting. I see your point, but I don't think their behavior at all boosts their standings in the world. If it does anything it just makes people tired of them. They've already blown their shot at getting the 6-party talks back underway for a long time, and every time China tries to help them out in the global community, they throw it in their face. NKR leaders may not need to do anything specific to sway the masses, but certainly there are elements within the upper echelon of the North Korean military society that would need to see words backed up with some action to continue buying into the lie, or else there would have been no shelling of Yeonpyeong in the first place... they could have just made the whole thing up. This isn't to say that an American fleet will cause a North Korean attack in a reactionary sense, but it does 'build tensions' as China says, because it puts the NKR establishment's back against the wall, threatening to expose the underlying fear which the KJI government cannot allow anyone to see. Hence, the rhetorical hubris we've seen from them this past few days. But rhetoric can only mask fear for so long. Eventually, your threats have to be acted on lest they be seen as hollow and timid. China wants everyone to avoid finding out what goes down if this happens to NKR, because they prefer the status quo, and they certainly don't want open hostilities along their borders. | ||
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