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In 2008, O’Donnell called then presidential candidate Barack Obama “anti-American” because “he did not vote for English as the (nation's) official language. What does that say?,“ she said.[76]
Really now? You are using the term anti-American if you speak a different language? Isn't this the same words that Bush used with the Patriot Act and McCarthy did against communists. I do not want this woman anywhere near Washington this is just a disgrace.
In a 1996 discussion on CNN, O'Donnell advocated the teaching of creationism in public schools and argued for a literal interpretation of The Bible's Book of Genesis.[17] O'Donnell has rejected Charles Darwin's theory of evolution, asserting that it "had not met scientific criteria" and that "when you get down to the hard evidence, it's merely a theory."[17]
Sigh so she supports the Bill of Rights and the Constitution but not separation of Church and State. Didn't we solve this problem 100 years ago?
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Only in america this kinda of crap can happen 
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On September 17 2010 17:46 Rokit5 wrote:Only in america this kinda of crap can happen
No Italy has Berlusconi France have Sarkozy, it"s like a world disease
You still have Obama ....
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Wow, for the rest of the world I hope she doesn't come any further. I cannot understand why it's so easy for such dumb people to come into positions of power somehow..
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On September 17 2010 17:58 Erectum wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2010 17:46 Rokit5 wrote:Only in america this kinda of crap can happen No Italy has Berlusconi France have Sarkozy, it"s like a world disease You still have Obama ....
Yeah I hate Sarkozy too, but this is on a completely new level. Though to be faire you'd have to compare her to Le Pen.
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On September 17 2010 18:05 Elroi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2010 17:58 Erectum wrote:On September 17 2010 17:46 Rokit5 wrote:Only in america this kinda of crap can happen No Italy has Berlusconi France have Sarkozy, it"s like a world disease You still have Obama .... Yeah I hate Sarkozy too, but this is on a completely new level. Though to be faire you'd have to compare her to Le Pen.
Well, yes clearly, but last months SArkozy gave us a lot of Le Pen, which is also a complet new level in France.
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On September 17 2010 17:58 Erectum wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2010 17:46 Rokit5 wrote:Only in america this kinda of crap can happen No Italy has Berlusconi France have Sarkozy, it"s like a world disease You still have Obama ....
Please, you cannot compete with us.
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Lol american politics are crazy stuff. Yesterday the opposing swedish parties held their last debate before election and at the end there was a part where each of them had to compliment each other for 15 seconds and then they ended up shaking hands, laughing and hugging as the program was fading out. Everything politics here is so tame compared.
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Being a libertarian and seeing what the Tea Party movement has turned into, there's really only one way for me to express my feelings:
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"Fox news makes people stupider"
And Maher calling them Tea Baggers and no Tea Partiers. I wonder when old people are going to learn that tea bagginging is not a good thing lol.
On a serious note though this just makes me sick. I cant wait to finish school here and move to another country. Its not that the system might be better but at least i dont have to put up with these tea baggers and their ridiculous radical ideas and notions.
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Sanya12364 Posts
I don't know what's worse, an wealthy establishment suit or an unintelligent unrefined candidate.
The establishment has consistently failed the average citizen so one might view it as the people overthrowing the political elite. That the establishment lost is probably a good thing. But there is no guarantee of a high quality candidate. It's still better to clean house so that you get another shot at improvement in 6 years.
I think of Washington DC as the augean stables of American politics. We could probably diverge the Potomac through the city and the rest of the country would make a turn for the better.
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It's interesting to see the anti-tea party sentiment, and anti conservative sentiment, and I'm deeply respectful of your opinions.
There's a couple of things that we should be aware of regarding the tea party though. First is that it doesn't really have an official "platform". And by that I don't mean a podium from which to speak, because it certainly has that. What I do mean is that each year at each party's political conventions they pull together a document that articulates where the party officially stands on issues. This is what is commonly referred to as the platform.
The tea party doesn't have one.
What the tea party does have is a lot of energized people who are very dis-satisfied with the current administration's march toward bigger and bigger government emulating European Socialism. No disrespect is intended here. The European system is working well for Europeans, and they have some wonderful things that the US doesn't have.
We're never going to come together if we don't understand each other.
Let's take health care. Nearly 60% of American's favor the repeal of that bill. It's a real Tea Party hot button. Now don't think that people in the tea party who are ticked about the methods, the lack of transparency, the cost, and the quality of the final product want people to die in the streets.
There was and is large scale agreement that the current system is unsustainable, and that was the going in position. In the end, we ended up with a bill that did nothing to bend the cost curve down.
Perhaps of more concern, there is no evidence that measures set forth in the bill will actually improve upon the care available now, and when Americans look to some countries that have socialized medicine, they are not impressed by the comparison to what we have now.
People who also self-affiliate with the tea party are also ticked about the big bailouts, many of which benefited big labor, a huge democrat contingency and source of cash.
Tea-party advocates are concerned about the adverse effects of illegal immigration in this country and its impact to local schools, and hospitals. When Arizona acted in response to the outbreak of kidnappings, home invasions, and other violent crime in the Phoenix area, the response of the administration was to sue Arizona. More than 60% of Americans would like to see a law simlar to Arizona's implemented in their own state.
People who self-affiliate with the Tea party are also ticked off at the Republican Party for squandering 6 years majority and spending money like drunken sailors during W. The federal deficit ballooned and fiscal conservatives were left with nowhere to turn.
The Tea party is an utter rejection of the establishment. Look at who the Republican leadership has endorsed in Primary races that have subsequently gone down in flames. Check out Florida, Colorado, Alaska, Kentucky, Nevada, Utah, Maine, ...
Fiscal conservatives are energized.
It's no surprise to me that a candidate that advocated a repeal of health care won against a candidate that said he would not repeal it.
Is she a fruit loop? Probably.
I think that we can agree that both sides use their own form of fear to motivate their base and try to sway independents. Fear that the right will try to legislate morality is a constant one used by the left. "She'll try to outlaw masturbation"...
If it is indeed true that the social conservatives want to do this, what success have they had in last 30 years? What socially conservative law have they managed to pass? Zero as far as I can see. Even when they had control. What are you worried about?
Regarding her opponent, Coons at one point in his life declared himself a Marxist, (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36726.html).
I agree with Reagan. "Government is not the answer to our problems, Government is the problem."
So sadly, if I only get to choose between a fiscal conservative, whose social agenda (should she try to pursue it) would go nowhere, and a self-avowed Marxist in an era when I'm concerned that the cost of Government is out of control, and the corresponding size and intrusiveness of Government is way past my comfort level, my choice is sadly clear.
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It's ignorance. Nothing but ignorance and hate. That's what the party thrives on. I've met far too many of these idiots. The local head of my tea party is some fuckin' douchebag that's been on disability for a decade because of his own fault, but is completely dead set against health care. Not just against it, but that anyone who is for it is unamerican or some horse shit.
That guy is probalby above average in terms of intellegence when compared with average party members.
All this is is a super radical sect of republicans. At least normal republicans have some ideals that aren't totally ridiculous. Hell, most of the tea party members dont share any similarities besides just being really fucking pissed and not having a clue as to why.
On September 17 2010 21:20 Jalle wrote:Being a libertarian and seeing what the Tea Party movement has turned into, there's really only one way for me to express my feelings:
Exactly. A lot of people try to describe it as libertarian but it's not even close to that at all.
The only thing that i'm happy about is that all these tea party wins will majorly fracture the GOP
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On September 17 2010 21:47 lightrise wrote:
"Fox news makes people stupider"
And Maher calling them Tea Baggers and no Tea Partiers. I wonder when old people are going to learn that tea bagginging is not a good thing lol.
On a serious note though this just makes me sick. I cant wait to finish school here and move to another country. Its not that the system might be better but at least i dont have to put up with these tea baggers and their ridiculous radical ideas and notions.
I can't wait either
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...And this is why I rage and refuse to vote for anyone. Literally, there is no one in the current political atmosphere that I would really want to entrust my fate to.
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On September 17 2010 18:05 Elroi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2010 17:58 Erectum wrote:On September 17 2010 17:46 Rokit5 wrote:Only in america this kinda of crap can happen No Italy has Berlusconi France have Sarkozy, it"s like a world disease You still have Obama .... Yeah I hate Sarkozy too, but this is on a completely new level.
No, it's not. I think most people here are too ignorant about american politics to be making these sorts of judgments, americans included. :/
Fringe candidates run all the time and they win more often in parlaiments. In this case she has no seat and is going to get crushed.
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Amazing o,o
All old people ...
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Please Tea Party, break off from the Republicans and ruin any hope of right wing governmental control for the next decade.
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