EPTLies of Fahrenheit 9/11 - Page 5
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36402 Posts
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TeCh)PsylO
United States3552 Posts
you're not bringing any counterarguments to the table. For one, you are attacking Moore, and I never claimed to be Moore's official spokesman. I also have not yet seen the film, so maybe it is best for me to stay off the thread until I do. Unfortunetly what you presented as "your" argument was so fluffed up with belligerent nonsense that I don't want to take the time to pry out her points. Maybe the film will inspire me to do so. I have spent a great deal of time "debating" with you, and feel that it is perfectly reasonable for me to comment on your debating style. You say that you have been only met with "flames" , but that is becuase when presented with real points you tend to ignore them. Why would I, or anyone else spend a good 30 minutes of there time constructing a post to counter you, if it will be ignored? If you summarize the points in the article that you presented, and give other information to back it, then I will gladly debate what I feel is necessary(I'm not here to defend Moore) . So far you have not backed anything that you have said. You posted an article and expect it to speak for itself. If you are going to start a debate I would expect you to take the time to stand your ground and back up what you beleive, not just refer back to your original post as if it was the general consensus that it was infallible. I come here and debate for fun. I have nothing personal against you. It would just be alot more fun if you(and others on both sides of the spectrum) would actually debate, rather than make concrete declarations and then disappear. | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On June 27 2004 01:13 bObaZ wrote: i Laugh in the face of the americans that say that michael moore only tell lies... The people that live on USA don't even know what bush have done.. You only Know what the government wants you to know... You are their Little Puppets LOL! How can u refute some theory if u don't even know the truth? Just think about it . . . And you, being a non-American, have a much better viewpoint on said things that Bush has done!! Honestly, you don't know what they've done either, only the smear campaigns your country, and the rest of Europe has done against him; all that is just as bias as anything we have seen, only to the other side. You just happen to think that because it's anti-Bush, that it's true, which isn't always the case. The fact of the matter is that all governments have an agenda, and they lie to push it. Bush lies to push his agenda, Clinton did to his, your prime minister pushes his, Kerry pushes his, all politicians do it. Finding the real truth is what's hard to do, and it takes a lot of research, and even then you really can't be sure, because those people have an agenda as well. Basically, what I am saying is this: You really don't know what Bush has done either, and even if you have theories on it, they are unprovable, and no one cares about your opinion anyways. So, keep your uneducated, and bias opinion (especially if you're just going to slam a country), because you're just as "brainwashed" as anyone in America is, only for a different cause. | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On June 26 2004 23:24 TeCh)PsylO wrote: It is typical of Excal to create one of his rant threads than disappear... Also, I generally try not to do this, but could you please get the than, and then difference right? You always switch the two around (Which I'm sure you really know the difference, but are just typing fast, and/or not concentrating fully, whatever), and it's kind of annoying. So, if you could just make sure that you're using the right one from now on, that'd be great. EDIT: This has nothing to do with the above quote, but I saw the movie, and a lot of it just seemed like bullshit. Also, as a commentater, Moore sucks ass. He talks like he's talking to a fucking five year old, and while everyone else seemed to love it (in the theater I was in), I found it insulting, to say the least. Then his bullshit of going to congressmen to ENLIST their sons was stupid. Does he not realize it's not the father's choice? Also, this whole "calling upon these people to fight blah blah." Yeah, apparently no one realizes that these people signed up to do EXACTLY what they were called for. The military isn't just a place to go for free college, and a pension plan. These people signed up knowing the possibilities of their choice, and then Moore seems to imply the government did it without them having the slightest knowledge it might happen. He speaks as though they were drafted, which they weren't... | ||
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NoobSaibot
United States588 Posts
Also, this whole "calling upon these people to fight blah blah." Yeah, apparently no one realizes that these people signed up to do EXACTLY what they were called for. The military isn't just a place to go for free college, and a pension plan. These people signed up knowing the possibilities of their choice, and then Moore seems to imply the government did it without them having the slightest knowledge it might happen. He speaks as though they were drafted, which they weren't... I wonder why every single recruiting commercial always focuses entirely on the after-military life benefits and experience it can lead to. Lord knows an 18 year old would never be impressionable right? Not everybody thinks like you. Maybe if you had ever known someone in the military your age, grew up with people prone to joining the military, or visitted a recruiting station you might have a clue. | ||
Arbiter[frolix]
United Kingdom2674 Posts
Also, this whole "calling upon these people to fight blah blah." Yeah, apparently no one realizes that these people signed up to do EXACTLY what they were called for. The military isn't just a place to go for free college, and a pension plan. These people signed up knowing the possibilities of their choice, and then Moore seems to imply the government did it without them having the slightest knowledge it might happen. He speaks as though they were drafted, which they weren't... However, as I am sure you yourself agree, no government of a civilised nation should be entitled to wantonly throw away the lives of its soldiers in unnecessary and immoral military action and simply claim that that was what they signed up for. A civilised democratic society has a right to subject the military decisions its government makes to scrutiny and comment and expect it to abide by certain moral standards. I am sure you agree with all of the above. Now, Moore, like many others, believes that the war is unnecessary and immoral and therefore believes that the lives of its soldiers are being thrown away on an unnecessary and immoral war. If you want to disagree with him, I submit that you must disagree with him on this point. | ||
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TeCh)PsylO
United States3552 Posts
Also, I generally try not to do this, but could you please get the than, and then difference right? You always switch the two around (Which I'm sure you really know the difference, but are just typing fast, and/or not concentrating fully, whatever), and it's kind of annoying. I don't no the differance. Givin your tone, I won't take the time to look it up. | ||
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pfff
Belgium1352 Posts
SICKOFLIFE, you are constantly babbling about how religious you are, but you still support bush. i mean, what kind of a ridiculous contradiction is that? really, me, as a religion-hater, understands more about it then you, you are a clueless brainwashed baby. | ||
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Eniram
Sudan3166 Posts
On June 27 2004 18:53 NoobSaibot wrote: I wonder why every single recruiting commercial always focuses entirely on the after-military life benefits and experience it can lead to. Lord knows an 18 year old would never be impressionable right? Not everybody thinks like you. Maybe if you had ever known someone in the military your age, grew up with people prone to joining the military, or visitted a recruiting station you might have a clue. Its either that or we draft them. Is that better? | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7695 Posts
You on the other hand have earned how much respect in your 277 posts? Get somebody else to brag for you, doing it yourself is a conflict of interests... aka, You want to be cool, so you say your cool. Get 500~ posts and build up a reputable reputation before attacking long time members..... | ||
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SoLsiTO
United States573 Posts
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x[ReaPeR]x
United States3447 Posts
On June 27 2004 17:21 Hot_Bid wrote: haha excal thinks Moore is guilty of sedition. well, a dictatorship would be easier, as bush said himself. Not refusing help from Hezbollah is sedition, period. Don't twist the meaning of the situation. | ||
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XDawn
Canada4040 Posts
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x[ReaPeR]x
United States3447 Posts
On June 27 2004 19:17 TeCh)PsylO wrote: I don't no the differance. Givin your tone, I won't take the time to look it up. I'm in an unusually nice mood today: then: referring to time (ReaPeR thought Michael Moore was a fatass, then laughed at him.) than: used for comparison (ReaPeR is much cooler than Michael Moore.) | ||
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TeCh)PsylO
United States3552 Posts
then: referring to time than: used for comparison Thank you. | ||
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ForgoTTeN-SupeR
United States786 Posts
On June 27 2004 20:46 AttackZerg wrote: Get 500~ posts and build up a reputable reputation before attacking long time members..... I didn't know high post count was a prerequisite of an intellectual response. BTW, this has nothing to do with whether or not I agree with the pfff is smart enough to argue with ObsoleteLogic or whatever, just that it kind of sounded like an elitist assholish comment on your behalf. | ||
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TeCh)PsylO
United States3552 Posts
Not refusing help from Hezbollah is sedition, period. Don't twist the meaning of the situation. Hezbollah contacted a distribution company in the UAE and offered to help( Gaurdian ) . I don't understand how that can be interpreted as having a working relationship with Hezbollah. There are many conservative websites that seem to want to push this, but I don't think it is fooling anyone. | ||
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TeCh)PsylO
United States3552 Posts
If Crown Prince Abdullah is deposed by its extremist population, Bin Laden is the most popular replacement. Speaking of lies... Is this woman kidding? How ironic it is that she has an article attacking someone for lying and misleading, when she makes such outragous claims. Once again the conservative figure uses the same techniques she is attackin Moore for( In my opinion, even more so) . Is that not completely shaimless? | ||
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Chobohobo
United States945 Posts
On June 27 2004 19:22 pfff wrote: im completely fed up with threads like this cuz it seems like all the non-progressives are like 10 years older and A LOT better educated and informed then the conservatives, but there was one thing that made me sick. SICKOFLIFE, you are constantly babbling about how religious you are, but you still support bush. i mean, what kind of a ridiculous contradiction is that? really, me, as a religion-hater, understands more about it then you, you are a clueless brainwashed baby. Thats just plain wrong, sorry. You are no less brainwashed than anyone else. | ||
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TeCh)PsylO
United States3552 Posts
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