IT HAS BEEN CONFIRMED IT HAS MILITARY CONNECTION WITH CHINA.
An Unidentified Flying Object (UFO), which disrupted air traffic in a Chinese city has a "military connection", a Chinese official has said.
The authorities have learnt what the UFO was after investigations, but it was not "proper time to publicly disclose" the information because there was a "military connection" to it, state run 'China Daily' quoted an official as saying.
The UFO has disrupted air traffic over Hangzhou, capital of China's Zhejiang's Province on Wednesday.
Xiaoshan Airport was closed after the UFO was detected at around 9 pm, and some flights were re-routed to airports in the cities of Ningbo and Wuxi, said a spokesman of the airport.
I'd like to start by saying, this caught me off guard. When I hear UFO footage, I think of shoddy quality video, shaky camera syndrome, and fake footage. However, this was doesn't appear to be any of those.
So what do you think this is?
Oh, and apparently it caused massive flight delays in China. Check it out.
"(July 9) — Was it a UFO or secret military aircraft that caused the shutdown of China's Xiaoshan Airport for an hour on Wednesday night? Whatever it was, it was recorded on airport radar at about 9 p.m.
According to the Xinhua news agency, after the unidentified flying object was spotted, airport authorities stopped passengers from boarding planes, and outgoing flights were grounded for an hour in Hangzhou, the capital city of China's Zhejiang province. When officials closed the airport, incoming flights were rerouted to other airports. So far, no explanation has been offered to explain the UFO. However, several hours before the airport incident, many Hangzhou residents described seeing a large, brightly lit, elongated object in the sky.
China Daily reported that authorities may know more about the mystery UFO than they're letting on, hinting that there might be a military connection and that a final explanation may be forthcoming today.
This is certainly not the first time an unexplained object has been observed in China. In July 2009, during the viewing of a solar eclipse in China, scientists at the Purple Mountain Astronomical Observatory in Nanjing filmed 40 minutes of a UFO reportedly near the sun. No definitive explanation of the event has emerged.
In a Jan. 11, 2000, article, The New York Times reported that many UFOs were seen in the skies above China, noting that "the normally conservative official news media have been lavishing attention on UFO news."
The Times added that "this is an extraordinary reversal in a country where, 25 years ago, life was so focused on Communist politics that most people could not imagine anything so ethereal as an unidentified flying object, and expressing belief in them might have been a ticket to jail."
On July 15 2010 13:32 gogogadgetflow wrote: Fuck I am so scared of Effort.
But seriously, the way the light is shining down from it so brightly from so far away? Totally looks like a lamp post or something. Or a stadium light.
On July 15 2010 13:37 travis wrote: kinda looks like something being projected if that's light being put out, light would be expanding from the source, not condensing.
yeah i agree. Definitely looks like an image being projected.
This has happened quite a bit. Also there is quite an overwhelming amount of testimony from pilots regarding crazy ufo sitings. Also, the nasa UFO videos are really, really odd - and clearly that isn't faked footage.
Why can't things be UFOs without being aliens. The word has colloquially become synonymous with an alien ship, but can't UFOs still just be flying objects that are unidentified? If I fly a Cessna (without a pilot's license, of course; not cool enough for one of those) over airspace that I really shouldn't be in, wouldn't I be an unidentified flying object? And then once I identify myself to whatever fighter jets they scramble, I'll be an identified flying object, but still in airspace that I shouldn't be in...
On July 15 2010 13:37 travis wrote: kinda looks like something being projected if that's light being put out, light would be expanding from the source, not condensing.
yeah i agree. Definitely looks like an image being projected.
I said that when I only got like 10s through the video. my browser wasn't loading properly, im surprised it posted. while what i said stands for the first images, i see that it doesn't stand for the later images.
maybe in the first images they are separate beams of light coming from different spots on the ufo, but all pointng at the same spot.
On July 15 2010 13:42 DTK-m2 wrote: Why can't things be UFOs without being aliens. The word has colloquially become synonymous with an alien ship, but can't UFOs still just be flying objects that are unidentified? If I fly a Cessna (without a pilot's license, of course; not cool enough for one of those) over airspace that I really shouldn't be in, wouldn't I be an unidentified flying object? And then once I identify myself to whatever fighter jets they scramble, I'll be an identified flying object, but still in airspace that I shouldn't be in...
because lots of UFO sightings display technology that is way, way beyond what humanity has(or is known to have at least)
(I've heard this one argued both sides but haven't been completely convinced by the arguments of how this could be illusion)
(this one is especially good... I don't know who could possibly argue that the UFO doesn't quickly change direction and that something shoots at it and misses.. unless that's not what is in the video at all. but then wtf is?)
Indeed the first few photos looked like it was being projected. Overall the whole thing is fake. Sorry for those who got their hopes up and posted this on their facebooks asap.
-A UFO (could be anything) pops on chinese radars (provided the source is good) -We get photos that could easily be photoshops or whatever, 0 video footage... If it were real, you would have hours of video footage from every angle.
It's likely that there was a "UFO" (aka, unexpected plane or something like that), and then people made up some pictures.
On July 15 2010 13:37 travis wrote: kinda looks like something being projected if that's light being put out, light would be expanding from the source, not condensing.
I was thinking this same thing
and before I get all excited, here are some possibilities:
-it was meant to be seen -it wasn't meant to be seen but couldn't be helped
meant to: chinese gov't some other gov't some other organization extraterrestrial, or unknown terrestrial lifeform
wasn't meant to: same list as above
what makes all the difference is what that was and why it was there. unless these things are definitively put to the general public's knowledge those awesome lights in the sky are only fancy lights in the sky
I know aliens are there and I wish their knowledge would be put to the public
Can you explain what's going on in the first video? I'm too lazy to watch the entire 6 minute of it and skimming through it is not helping me understand . Thanks for the videos though! Very interesting.
OP's pictures look fake lol. However, does anyone know where I can find that 40 min long video taken by the Purple Mountain Astronomical Observatory people took?
Looks obvious to me that its a weather controlling device. Pretty aurora effects. Maybe it's related with all the anti-missile tech china was all into earlier. That huge puff when it speeds up or whatever is friggin awesome. Pwwooooooof
On July 15 2010 13:45 Trizz wrote: pictures look too clean
I agree. We all know that pictures of Big foot, Loch Ness and Aliens are supposed to be blurry and incapable of being made out.
Must be fake.
(Looks like a floating street light)
I think Bigfoot is blurry, that's the problem. It's not the photographer's fault. Bigfoot is blurry, and that's extra scary to me. There's a large, out-of-focus monster roaming the countryside. Run, he's fuzzy, get out of here. /Mitch Hedberg
On July 15 2010 14:02 Djzapz wrote: Don't you guys see what's going on?
-A UFO (could be anything) pops on chinese radars (provided the source is good) -We get photos that could easily be photoshops or whatever, 0 video footage... If it were real, you would have hours of video footage from every angle.
It's likely that there was a "UFO" (aka, unexpected plane or something like that), and then people made up some pictures.
The video looks like something breaking the sound barrier in a pretty big way... definitely a UFO... but aliens? meh. It looks nothing like the pictures, btw. The pictures look something like the business end of a scanner (computer scanner) being pasted onto photographs. If it did float static above urban areas, you'd think there'd be more detailed video. I mean, cellphones can record video now.
To all of you who said it wasn't real and didn't happen. I hope you feel REALLY stupid.
I dug a bit more, and found the Chinese government apparently said this had military connections.
So sorry, it did exist.
An Unidentified Flying Object (UFO), which disrupted air traffic in a Chinese city has a "military connection", a Chinese official has said.
The authorities have learnt what the UFO was after investigations, but it was not "proper time to publicly disclose" the information because there was a "military connection" to it, state run 'China Daily' quoted an official as saying.
The UFO has disrupted air traffic over Hangzhou, capital of China's Zhejiang's Province on Wednesday.
Xiaoshan Airport was closed after the UFO was detected at around 9 pm, and some flights were re-routed to airports in the cities of Ningbo and Wuxi, said a spokesman of the airport.
When you keep saying that, oh these pictures can't be real because that sort of lighting can't happen, what world, oops I mean universe are you in? We are not even close to our full potential, whereas these beings may have had this technology millenia ago. The reason aliens seem so interesting is that they could be so much more advanced than us. We are looking for even tiniest bit of 'primitive life' so that we can agree that there is certainly life out there, and life that has been developing longer than our meagre human existence.
We cannot possibly fathom how different life can be, because we can only use our own narrow scope of science to guess. We are always looking for the Carbon-based lifeforms because we only have experience with this kind, and say, looking for a Mercury-based lifeform seems impossible due to our existence. Our technology is only within this narrow scope of what we can do with science and our resources, whereas aliens could have access to a whole range of items we cannot even begin to imagine.
That looks like an out of position lamp to be honest, but the different angles it has been shot at, and the airport closing makes it very suspicious. I'm sure more will turn up within the next few days or so. And I'm sure Obama will want to make a personal investigation, if this even gets that far. Probably a military experiment that America will want their hands on too.
On July 15 2010 13:45 Trizz wrote: pictures look too clean
I agree. We all know that pictures of Big foot, Loch Ness and Aliens are supposed to be blurry and incapable of being made out.
Must be fake.
(Looks like a floating street light)
I think Bigfoot is blurry, that's the problem. It's not the photographer's fault. Bigfoot is blurry, and that's extra scary to me. There's a large, out-of-focus monster roaming the countryside. Run, he's fuzzy, get out of here. /Mitch Hedberg
On July 15 2010 14:11 YoonHo wrote: Can you explain what's going on in the first video? I'm too lazy to watch the entire 6 minute of it and skimming through it is not helping me understand . Thanks for the videos though! Very interesting.
OP's pictures look fake lol. However, does anyone know where I can find that 40 min long video taken by the Purple Mountain Astronomical Observatory people took?
There is a tether (very very long, I can't remember how long but think 1km+)
objects move behind it, the tether covers them up so they definitely move behind it the objects are also huge
Through reading some of these comments, I feel as if the majority of people didn't watch the video. They just watched the slideshow................ lol.
On July 15 2010 14:11 YoonHo wrote: Can you explain what's going on in the first video? I'm too lazy to watch the entire 6 minute of it and skimming through it is not helping me understand . Thanks for the videos though! Very interesting.
OP's pictures look fake lol. However, does anyone know where I can find that 40 min long video taken by the Purple Mountain Astronomical Observatory people took?
There is a tether (very very long, I can't remember how long but think 1km+)
objects move behind it, the tether covers them up so they definitely move behind it the objects are also huge
Ooooh, thanks for the explanation. I love these things even though I might be skeptical of them. A part of me wants it to be true though.
On July 15 2010 13:45 Trizz wrote: pictures look too clean
I agree. We all know that pictures of Big foot, Loch Ness and Aliens are supposed to be blurry and incapable of being made out.
Must be fake.
(Looks like a floating street light)
I think Bigfoot is blurry, that's the problem. It's not the photographer's fault. Bigfoot is blurry, and that's extra scary to me. There's a large, out-of-focus monster roaming the countryside. Run, he's fuzzy, get out of here. /Mitch Hedberg
On July 15 2010 14:11 YoonHo wrote: Can you explain what's going on in the first video? I'm too lazy to watch the entire 6 minute of it and skimming through it is not helping me understand . Thanks for the videos though! Very interesting.
OP's pictures look fake lol. However, does anyone know where I can find that 40 min long video taken by the Purple Mountain Astronomical Observatory people took?
There is a tether (very very long, I can't remember how long but think 1km+)
objects move behind it, the tether covers them up so they definitely move behind it the objects are also huge
Lol, it just looked like film from a microscope or possible some underwater film with light reflecting of some particles.
On July 15 2010 14:11 YoonHo wrote: Can you explain what's going on in the first video? I'm too lazy to watch the entire 6 minute of it and skimming through it is not helping me understand . Thanks for the videos though! Very interesting.
OP's pictures look fake lol. However, does anyone know where I can find that 40 min long video taken by the Purple Mountain Astronomical Observatory people took?
There is a tether (very very long, I can't remember how long but think 1km+)
objects move behind it, the tether covers them up so they definitely move behind it the objects are also huge
It looks like dust to me. Dust illuminated by sunlight that're just translucent enough that when they pass in front of the bright-white tether, they seem to pass behind it.
On July 15 2010 14:11 YoonHo wrote: Can you explain what's going on in the first video? I'm too lazy to watch the entire 6 minute of it and skimming through it is not helping me understand . Thanks for the videos though! Very interesting.
OP's pictures look fake lol. However, does anyone know where I can find that 40 min long video taken by the Purple Mountain Astronomical Observatory people took?
There is a tether (very very long, I can't remember how long but think 1km+)
objects move behind it, the tether covers them up so they definitely move behind it the objects are also huge
It looks like dust to me. Dust illuminated by sunlight that're just translucent enough that when they pass in front of the bright-white tether, they seem to pass behind it.
It's possible, but highly arguable. This is why I prefer the 2nd video. I'd like to hear an argument about that one.
On July 15 2010 14:33 Tempest7 wrote: In the tether video, listen from 3:51. The "UFOs" are described as debris with light from the sun coming at low angles mixed with camera glare.
uh, that's just your opinion. there is an awful lot of stuff moving around in the video.
anyways this is hardly the only nasa ufo footage out there. there's plenty that is just straight up weird. I don't presume to know what goes on in all the videos and I have no problem with rational explanations but I am not interested in solidifying views unless something is proven one way or the other.
On July 15 2010 14:11 YoonHo wrote: Can you explain what's going on in the first video? I'm too lazy to watch the entire 6 minute of it and skimming through it is not helping me understand . Thanks for the videos though! Very interesting.
OP's pictures look fake lol. However, does anyone know where I can find that 40 min long video taken by the Purple Mountain Astronomical Observatory people took?
There is a tether (very very long, I can't remember how long but think 1km+)
objects move behind it, the tether covers them up so they definitely move behind it the objects are also huge
It looks like dust to me. Dust illuminated by sunlight that're just translucent enough that when they pass in front of the bright-white tether, they seem to pass behind it.
It's possible, but highly arguable. This is why I prefer the 2nd video. I'd like to hear an argument about that one.
On July 15 2010 14:33 Tempest7 wrote: In the tether video, listen from 3:51. The "UFOs" are described as debris with light from the sun coming at low angles mixed with camera glare.
uh, that's just your opinion. there is an awful lot of stuff moving around in the video.
While I agree its subjective, it also looks pretty clear to me its just dust being lit up by the sun. The nasa guy said it was just coming in view of the sun, and everything was moving around in haphazard fashion.
The 2nd video is certainly more convincing. I've seen if before, and while perspective can be a bitch in space, its seems pretty hard to believe that it didn't rapidly change direction.
On July 15 2010 14:11 YoonHo wrote: Can you explain what's going on in the first video? I'm too lazy to watch the entire 6 minute of it and skimming through it is not helping me understand . Thanks for the videos though! Very interesting.
OP's pictures look fake lol. However, does anyone know where I can find that 40 min long video taken by the Purple Mountain Astronomical Observatory people took?
There is a tether (very very long, I can't remember how long but think 1km+)
objects move behind it, the tether covers them up so they definitely move behind it the objects are also huge
It looks like dust to me. Dust illuminated by sunlight that're just translucent enough that when they pass in front of the bright-white tether, they seem to pass behind it.
It's possible, but highly arguable. This is why I prefer the 2nd video. I'd like to hear an argument about that one.
On July 15 2010 14:33 Tempest7 wrote: In the tether video, listen from 3:51. The "UFOs" are described as debris with light from the sun coming at low angles mixed with camera glare.
uh, that's just your opinion. there is an awful lot of stuff moving around in the video.
No, actually it is the opinion of one of the astronauts? filming it. But anyway, could you please point me to some material arguing for the case of the objects being UFOs? I'm interested how this video could be taken to be UFOs.
*Saw edit, nevermind then. I would like to know the source on the second video though, because this footage is a bit more interesting.
An Unidentified Flying Object (UFO), which disrupted air traffic in a Chinese city has a "military connection", a Chinese official has said.
The authorities have learnt what the UFO was after investigations, but it was not "proper time to publicly disclose" the information because there was a "military connection" to it, state run 'China Daily' quoted an official as saying.
The UFO has disrupted air traffic over Hangzhou, capital of China's Zhejiang's Province on Wednesday.
Xiaoshan Airport was closed after the UFO was detected at around 9 pm, and some flights were re-routed to airports in the cities of Ningbo and Wuxi, said a spokesman of the airport.
oh wow.... bing has a video player now (lol jk =P)
but yeah, usually these types of things are military stuff, and i think that this is no different, although the video and pictures sure do look interesting...
So fake, so fake it got on radar and shut down an airport..*shrug* I am open to the idea of some black tech be it earthly or other in nature. Hell back in the day the stealth bomber got reported as a UFO all the time..
Does it really matter? If it's the real UFO, then it will be ~10000th incident over the last 15.000 years probably, they clearly don't care enough to wipe us out. If it's a police copter or some military craft then they should probably rethink using Toshiba's electrics and nav systems.
It's possible that there is life somewhere else in space. But I find it highly unlikely that they would ever visit us, let alone have the technology to do so. People claiming they have seen alien spaceships makes me angry. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
As was mentioned earlier, it looks like a floating construct of some sort with multiple spotlights shining down. My question is, why fly something this obviously bright in a highly populated area?
So, any1 wanna take a crack at it? Airplane size, two or four rocket engines in the back, by the looks of it none of the them running on conventional rocket fuel (liquid oxygen, liquid hydrogen).
P.S. Not sure if I'm getting this right, but there seem to be 3 or 4 different objects on the video above, 2 leaving yellow trails and one with a white'ish comet tail and the 4th one @ night with the lights.
So, any1 wanna take a crack at it? Airplane size, two or four rocket engines in the back, by the looks of it none of the them running on conventional rocket fuel (liquid oxygen, liquid hydrogen).
P.S. Not sure if I'm getting this right, but there seem to be 3 or 4 different objects on the video above, 2 leaving yellow trails and one with a white'ish comet tail and the 4th one @ night with the lights.
Why would you find it necessary to trick people like that? + Show Spoiler +
Hmmm, maybe there are aliens and they want to make contact with Chinese. I guess aliens think Chinese are great since they had a long history. Or it could be fake
On July 15 2010 23:49 Tazza wrote: Hmmm, maybe there are aliens and they want to make contact with Chinese. I guess aliens think Chinese are great since they had a long history. Or it could be fake
The time it would take for any alien craft to get here would be so long that the history of china wouldn't even seem like a Planck time unit (5.391×10^−44 seconds), infact the entierity of earths history and life span would be considered a fart in the wind.
On July 15 2010 23:49 Tazza wrote: Hmmm, maybe there are aliens and they want to make contact with Chinese. I guess aliens think Chinese are great since they had a long history. Or it could be fake
The time it would take for any alien craft to get here would be so long that the history of china wouldn't even seem like a Planck time unit (5.391×10^−44 seconds), infact the entierity of earths history and life span would be considered a fart in the wind.
Wouldn't the time actually depend on the distance to their location and traveling speed (or means)?
On July 15 2010 21:54 Aeronor wrote: As was mentioned earlier, it looks like a floating construct of some sort with multiple spotlights shining down. My question is, why fly something this obviously bright in a highly populated area?
Looks like some kind of test for whatever the craft is, with all those lights id guess its some kind of survailence craft? Or maybe they gauging the reaction of the people? Who know's...
If this is military, I can't imagine they intentionally allowed people to see it. Which makes me wonder, what went wrong? Was it able to cloak and the cloak failed? Did it go off course? This is all assuming it was even a military thing under Chinese control.
Are there any videos or accounts of what happened to it? Did it just vanish? Fly away?
On July 15 2010 23:49 Tazza wrote: Hmmm, maybe there are aliens and they want to make contact with Chinese. I guess aliens think Chinese are great since they had a long history. Or it could be fake
The time it would take for any alien craft to get here would be so long that the history of china wouldn't even seem like a Planck time unit (5.391×10^−44 seconds), infact the entierity of earths history and life span would be considered a fart in the wind.
Wouldn't the time actually depend on the distance to their location and traveling speed (or means)?
Yeah, but then were starting to get into lightspeed travel or wormhole theories, which would both get the "aliens" here very quickly for the distance. But seeing as how the universe is ~10 billion years old, our solar system is ~4billion years old, and modern man has only been around for ~200,000 years, I think its very possible a civilization thats billions and billions of years old would take the time to check in on the relatively primitive planets/cultures for study. And think of it like this, if modern humans have only had 200,000 years to develop technology, and we have already traveled in space, landed on the moon, and are already planning and building the machinery necessary for a trip to mars and asteroids, what do you think we could do if we were around for another 3 billion years?
On July 15 2010 23:49 Tazza wrote: Hmmm, maybe there are aliens and they want to make contact with Chinese. I guess aliens think Chinese are great since they had a long history. Or it could be fake
The time it would take for any alien craft to get here would be so long that the history of china wouldn't even seem like a Planck time unit (5.391×10^−44 seconds), infact the entierity of earths history and life span would be considered a fart in the wind.
Wouldn't the time actually depend on the distance to their location and traveling speed (or means)?
Yeah, but then were starting to get into lightspeed travel or wormhole theories, which would both get the "aliens" here very quickly for the distance. But seeing as how the universe is ~10 billion years old, our solar system is ~4billion years old, and modern man has only been around for ~100,000 years, I think its very possible a civilization thats billions and billions of years old would take the time to check in on the relatively primitive planets/cultures for study. And think of it like this, if modern humans have only had 100,000 years to develop technology, and we have already traveled in space, landed on the moon, and are already planning and building the machinery necessary for a trip to mars and asteroids, what do you think we could do if we were around for another 3 billion years?
There is no known physical means for anything the size of a spaceship of the magnitude seen in the OP to travel faster than the speed of light.
Even assuming there were a way, for any alien civilization looking to make contact with others, why would they try on an outer arm of a galaxy when they could go much closer to the galaxy's center where star densities are much denser than they are in our local neighborhood?
On July 15 2010 23:49 Tazza wrote: Hmmm, maybe there are aliens and they want to make contact with Chinese. I guess aliens think Chinese are great since they had a long history. Or it could be fake
The time it would take for any alien craft to get here would be so long that the history of china wouldn't even seem like a Planck time unit (5.391×10^−44 seconds), infact the entierity of earths history and life span would be considered a fart in the wind.
Wouldn't the time actually depend on the distance to their location and traveling speed (or means)?
Yeah, but then were starting to get into lightspeed travel or wormhole theories, which would both get the "aliens" here very quickly for the distance. But seeing as how the universe is ~10 billion years old, our solar system is ~4billion years old, and modern man has only been around for ~100,000 years, I think its very possible a civilization thats billions and billions of years old would take the time to check in on the relatively primitive planets/cultures for study. And think of it like this, if modern humans have only had 100,000 years to develop technology, and we have already traveled in space, landed on the moon, and are already planning and building the machinery necessary for a trip to mars and asteroids, what do you think we could do if we were around for another 3 billion years?
Even assuming there were a way, for any alien civilization looking to make contact with others, why would they try on an outer arm of a galaxy when they could go much closer to the galaxy's center where star densities are much denser than they are in our local neighborhood?
maybe we are the only alien race to send out radio signals/space ships etc
If it were aliens, why would they just come and leave so quickly?
"Well, good job, Han. We escaped the Death Star and traveled billions of light years to this solar system. This is a great road trip. Let's just hover here with our flashy lights for a few hours and then go away..."
EDIT: Why is it that every time there's some UFO sighting the UFO never actually does anything? It never touches ground. It never makes contact with any physical objects. It doesn't even send out probes or decloak the Protoss fleet or makes sounds. Nope. It always floats. Just a mass of floating metal like Sputnik.
On July 15 2010 23:49 Tazza wrote: Hmmm, maybe there are aliens and they want to make contact with Chinese. I guess aliens think Chinese are great since they had a long history. Or it could be fake
The time it would take for any alien craft to get here would be so long that the history of china wouldn't even seem like a Planck time unit (5.391×10^−44 seconds), infact the entierity of earths history and life span would be considered a fart in the wind.
Wouldn't the time actually depend on the distance to their location and traveling speed (or means)?
Yeah, but then were starting to get into lightspeed travel or wormhole theories, which would both get the "aliens" here very quickly for the distance. But seeing as how the universe is ~10 billion years old, our solar system is ~4billion years old, and modern man has only been around for ~100,000 years, I think its very possible a civilization thats billions and billions of years old would take the time to check in on the relatively primitive planets/cultures for study. And think of it like this, if modern humans have only had 100,000 years to develop technology, and we have already traveled in space, landed on the moon, and are already planning and building the machinery necessary for a trip to mars and asteroids, what do you think we could do if we were around for another 3 billion years?
Even assuming there were a way, for any alien civilization looking to make contact with others, why would they try on an outer arm of a galaxy when they could go much closer to the galaxy's center where star densities are much denser than they are in our local neighborhood?
maybe we are the only alien race to send out radio signals/space ships etc
Probabilistically, if other alien cultures exist, we'd expect a greater number of signals to occur from a star-rich area of space than a relative void.
Just ask yourself: if you had to look for alien life somewhere, would you look on the outskirts of the galaxy or near the dense core? Of course it's possible that only civilizations from relatively empty areas of space send broadcast messages, but it's much more probable that given other cultures exist, they will be found in the higher density regions.
On July 15 2010 23:49 Tazza wrote: Hmmm, maybe there are aliens and they want to make contact with Chinese. I guess aliens think Chinese are great since they had a long history. Or it could be fake
The time it would take for any alien craft to get here would be so long that the history of china wouldn't even seem like a Planck time unit (5.391×10^−44 seconds), infact the entierity of earths history and life span would be considered a fart in the wind.
Wouldn't the time actually depend on the distance to their location and traveling speed (or means)?
Yeah, but then were starting to get into lightspeed travel or wormhole theories, which would both get the "aliens" here very quickly for the distance. But seeing as how the universe is ~10 billion years old, our solar system is ~4billion years old, and modern man has only been around for ~100,000 years, I think its very possible a civilization thats billions and billions of years old would take the time to check in on the relatively primitive planets/cultures for study. And think of it like this, if modern humans have only had 100,000 years to develop technology, and we have already traveled in space, landed on the moon, and are already planning and building the machinery necessary for a trip to mars and asteroids, what do you think we could do if we were around for another 3 billion years?
Even assuming there were a way, for any alien civilization looking to make contact with others, why would they try on an outer arm of a galaxy when they could go much closer to the galaxy's center where star densities are much denser than they are in our local neighborhood?
maybe we are the only alien race to send out radio signals/space ships etc
Probabilistically, if other alien cultures exist, we'd expect a greater number of signals to occur from a star-rich area of space than a relative void.
Just ask yourself: if you had to look for alien life somewhere, would you look on the outskirts of the galaxy or near the dense core? Of course it's possible that only civilizations from relatively empty areas of space send broadcast messages, but it's much more probable that given other cultures exist, they will be found in the higher density regions.
maybe there are circumstances that make it implausible or unlikely for intelligent life to develop in the more star dense areas such as constant bombardment of asteroids, planetary collisions, supernovas, or something
On July 15 2010 23:49 Tazza wrote: Hmmm, maybe there are aliens and they want to make contact with Chinese. I guess aliens think Chinese are great since they had a long history. Or it could be fake
The time it would take for any alien craft to get here would be so long that the history of china wouldn't even seem like a Planck time unit (5.391×10^−44 seconds), infact the entierity of earths history and life span would be considered a fart in the wind.
Wouldn't the time actually depend on the distance to their location and traveling speed (or means)?
Yeah, but then were starting to get into lightspeed travel or wormhole theories, which would both get the "aliens" here very quickly for the distance. But seeing as how the universe is ~10 billion years old, our solar system is ~4billion years old, and modern man has only been around for ~100,000 years, I think its very possible a civilization thats billions and billions of years old would take the time to check in on the relatively primitive planets/cultures for study. And think of it like this, if modern humans have only had 100,000 years to develop technology, and we have already traveled in space, landed on the moon, and are already planning and building the machinery necessary for a trip to mars and asteroids, what do you think we could do if we were around for another 3 billion years?
There is no known physical means for anything the size of a spaceship of the magnitude seen in the OP to travel faster than the speed of light.
Even assuming there were a way, for any alien civilization looking to make contact with others, why would they try on an outer arm of a galaxy when they could go much closer to the galaxy's center where star densities are much denser than they are in our local neighborhood?
Who are we to say they haven't already? I feel like perhaps you aren't grasping just how long a billion years is. It could be that they are simply continuing to work their way around the galaxy and happened to finally come here.
As for there being no known physical means for something like this...Just think 2000 years ago. Now think of the LHC. The LHC was beyond impossible to people back then.
oh anyone wondering what that cloud of smoke is around the ship its the sound barrier broken. it just creates win visible cus its soo fast cutting thru air that u can see the air lol. pretty cool i know!
On July 15 2010 23:49 Tazza wrote: Hmmm, maybe there are aliens and they want to make contact with Chinese. I guess aliens think Chinese are great since they had a long history. Or it could be fake
The time it would take for any alien craft to get here would be so long that the history of china wouldn't even seem like a Planck time unit (5.391×10^−44 seconds), infact the entierity of earths history and life span would be considered a fart in the wind.
Wouldn't the time actually depend on the distance to their location and traveling speed (or means)?
Yeah, but then were starting to get into lightspeed travel or wormhole theories, which would both get the "aliens" here very quickly for the distance. But seeing as how the universe is ~10 billion years old, our solar system is ~4billion years old, and modern man has only been around for ~100,000 years, I think its very possible a civilization thats billions and billions of years old would take the time to check in on the relatively primitive planets/cultures for study. And think of it like this, if modern humans have only had 100,000 years to develop technology, and we have already traveled in space, landed on the moon, and are already planning and building the machinery necessary for a trip to mars and asteroids, what do you think we could do if we were around for another 3 billion years?
There is no known physical means for anything the size of a spaceship of the magnitude seen in the OP to travel faster than the speed of light.
Even assuming there were a way, for any alien civilization looking to make contact with others, why would they try on an outer arm of a galaxy when they could go much closer to the galaxy's center where star densities are much denser than they are in our local neighborhood?
Who are we to say they haven't already? I feel like perhaps you aren't grasping just how long a billion years is. It could be that they are simply continuing to work their way around the galaxy and happened to finally come here.
As for there being no known physical means for something like this...Just think 2000 years ago. Now think of the LHC. The LHC was beyond impossible to people back then.
Even with regard to a civilization that has managed to survive for a billion years, you have to weigh the improbability of them happening upon us in our few decades of extra-terrestrial travel. We made it to the moon fewer than fifty years ago. If aliens even visited the earth, it was probably during the other 4+ billion years of its existence. Our radio signals haven't even made it past 100 light years yet.
I'm inclined to agree with you on your second point, but still, our current knowledge of physics doesn't allow for faster than light travel of spaceship sized objects.
On July 15 2010 23:49 Tazza wrote: Hmmm, maybe there are aliens and they want to make contact with Chinese. I guess aliens think Chinese are great since they had a long history. Or it could be fake
The time it would take for any alien craft to get here would be so long that the history of china wouldn't even seem like a Planck time unit (5.391×10^−44 seconds), infact the entierity of earths history and life span would be considered a fart in the wind.
Wouldn't the time actually depend on the distance to their location and traveling speed (or means)?
Yeah, but then were starting to get into lightspeed travel or wormhole theories, which would both get the "aliens" here very quickly for the distance. But seeing as how the universe is ~10 billion years old, our solar system is ~4billion years old, and modern man has only been around for ~200,000 years, I think its very possible a civilization thats billions and billions of years old would take the time to check in on the relatively primitive planets/cultures for study. And think of it like this, if modern humans have only had 200,000 years to develop technology, and we have already traveled in space, landed on the moon, and are already planning and building the machinery necessary for a trip to mars and asteroids, what do you think we could do if we were around for another 3 billion years?
I am a man of sience, atm the only thing that is proven is that a spaceship can't go faster than the speed of light, it's against what the laws of physics describe atm. Saying that "woo we can go to mars" doesn't really work, because well it will take 18 months. just to go to mars, having that in comparison to space travel that could reach aliens we would need those 3 billion years just to get there if we started now.
But lets say some aliens manages to get here, how come they are always the same size as us? The chances of that happening is so slim it'd be more likley for us to start a zombie apocalypse.
Well our current laws of physics are only the tip of the iceberg. We don't know shit about the Universe and there are way too many questions that cannot be answered in our lifetime, all physical cosmologists knows this, and that's just the way it is.
in some of the pictures it's longer in relation to the width and in one of the pictures it's actually not even straight but it has a curve to it
also light doesn't look like that in pictures you can't have evenly lumenous beams of light that are visible that far from the source unless it's been made to look that way on purpouse (with reflective particles in the air etc) and even if there were tons of spotlights on that thing it would either have to have been REALLY big and REALLY far up to make spotlights of that caliber appear nonexistant by comparison, but seeing as there are clouds in some of the pictures clearly that isn't the case
Anyone who argues about the limits of technology that is clearly way beyond ours is an idiot. How the hell would you know.
(not to be rude.. but I mean fucking come on...)
durr they couldn't get here quickly because we can't get there quickly. clearly if we can't do something yet it's impossible anyone else would know how to do it.
and hynda: who says they are the same size as us? some of the ufo's seen have been huge. and some have been quite small.
On July 16 2010 00:54 travis wrote: Anyone who argues about the limits of technology that is clearly way beyond ours is an idiot. How the hell would you know.
I'm actually arguing from our perspective. From our current understanding of physics, ftl travel is impossible. To argue that it's possible given much more advanced technology is a dangerous argument to make, because it opens the doors for literally anything to be possible, as long as it's sufficiently advanced technologically.
On July 16 2010 00:54 travis wrote: Anyone who argues about the limits of technology that is clearly way beyond ours is an idiot. How the hell would you know.
(not to be rude.. but I mean fucking come on...)
durr they couldn't get here quickly because we can get there quickly. clearly if we can't do something yet it's impossible anyone else would know how to do it.
they would have invisibility long before they had FTL travel (I would say FTL is impossible but w/e) so there's no reasonable argument for them being there; either they don't want to be found and they use invisibility -> we can't see them or they do want to be seen in which case they could just land at the nearest public place and introduce themselves
On July 15 2010 23:49 Tazza wrote: Hmmm, maybe there are aliens and they want to make contact with Chinese. I guess aliens think Chinese are great since they had a long history. Or it could be fake
The time it would take for any alien craft to get here would be so long that the history of china wouldn't even seem like a Planck time unit (5.391×10^−44 seconds), infact the entierity of earths history and life span would be considered a fart in the wind.
Wouldn't the time actually depend on the distance to their location and traveling speed (or means)?
Yeah, but then were starting to get into lightspeed travel or wormhole theories, which would both get the "aliens" here very quickly for the distance. But seeing as how the universe is ~10 billion years old, our solar system is ~4billion years old, and modern man has only been around for ~100,000 years, I think its very possible a civilization thats billions and billions of years old would take the time to check in on the relatively primitive planets/cultures for study. And think of it like this, if modern humans have only had 100,000 years to develop technology, and we have already traveled in space, landed on the moon, and are already planning and building the machinery necessary for a trip to mars and asteroids, what do you think we could do if we were around for another 3 billion years?
Even assuming there were a way, for any alien civilization looking to make contact with others, why would they try on an outer arm of a galaxy when they could go much closer to the galaxy's center where star densities are much denser than they are in our local neighborhood?
maybe we are the only alien race to send out radio signals/space ships etc
Or they've already explored all of the inner galaxy and now it's time for them to pay us a visit.
Interesting event here, probably some kind of weird military ship that went off course or something, don't think it's likely to be an alien craft but the possibility is there :O
On July 16 2010 00:54 travis wrote: Anyone who argues about the limits of technology that is clearly way beyond ours is an idiot. How the hell would you know.
I'm actually arguing from our perspective. From our current understanding of physics, ftl travel is impossible. To argue that it's possible given much more advanced technology is a dangerous argument to make, because it opens the doors for literally anything to be possible, as long as it's sufficiently advanced technologically.
That's not the entirety of the argument, though. Even if FTL travel isn't possible, it still doesn't take into account alternative methods. Worm holes, warp drives, shifts in matter state, etc
On July 16 2010 00:54 travis wrote: Anyone who argues about the limits of technology that is clearly way beyond ours is an idiot. How the hell would you know.
(not to be rude.. but I mean fucking come on...)
durr they couldn't get here quickly because we can get there quickly. clearly if we can't do something yet it's impossible anyone else would know how to do it.
they would have invisibility long before they had FTL travel (I would say FTL is impossible but w/e) so there's no reasonable argument for them being there; either they don't want to be found and they use invisibility -> we can't see them or they do want to be seen in which case they could just land at the nearest public place and introduce themselves
This talks about what they do or do not want to do. Are you an alien from somewhere else in the universe?
On July 15 2010 23:49 Tazza wrote: Hmmm, maybe there are aliens and they want to make contact with Chinese. I guess aliens think Chinese are great since they had a long history. Or it could be fake
The time it would take for any alien craft to get here would be so long that the history of china wouldn't even seem like a Planck time unit (5.391×10^−44 seconds), infact the entierity of earths history and life span would be considered a fart in the wind.
Wouldn't the time actually depend on the distance to their location and traveling speed (or means)?
Yeah, but then were starting to get into lightspeed travel or wormhole theories, which would both get the "aliens" here very quickly for the distance. But seeing as how the universe is ~10 billion years old, our solar system is ~4billion years old, and modern man has only been around for ~100,000 years, I think its very possible a civilization thats billions and billions of years old would take the time to check in on the relatively primitive planets/cultures for study. And think of it like this, if modern humans have only had 100,000 years to develop technology, and we have already traveled in space, landed on the moon, and are already planning and building the machinery necessary for a trip to mars and asteroids, what do you think we could do if we were around for another 3 billion years?
Even assuming there were a way, for any alien civilization looking to make contact with others, why would they try on an outer arm of a galaxy when they could go much closer to the galaxy's center where star densities are much denser than they are in our local neighborhood?
maybe we are the only alien race to send out radio signals/space ships etc
Or they've already explored all of the inner galaxy and now it's time for them to pay us a visit.
Interesting event here, probably some kind of weird military ship that went off course or something, don't think it's likely to be an alien craft but the possibility is there :O
The possibility is there, I suppose, but it's infinitesimal. It's much more probable that it's of terrestrial origins.
But lets say some aliens manages to get here, how come they are always the same size as us? The chances of that happening is so slim it'd be more likley for us to start a zombie apocalypse.
As someone who has spent alot of time in the UFO-community, I have to point out this is not true. The aliens that people claim exist come in all shapes and sizes. In fact, the list of potential aliens is hilariously long and kind of silly.
On July 16 2010 00:54 travis wrote: Anyone who argues about the limits of technology that is clearly way beyond ours is an idiot. How the hell would you know.
I'm actually arguing from our perspective. From our current understanding of physics, ftl travel is impossible. To argue that it's possible given much more advanced technology is a dangerous argument to make, because it opens the doors for literally anything to be possible, as long as it's sufficiently advanced technologically.
That's not the entirety of the argument, though. Even if FTL travel isn't possible, it still doesn't take into account alternative methods. Worm holes, warp drives, shifts in matter state, etc
Wormholes: "There is no observational evidence for wormholes, but on a theoretical level there are valid solutions to the equations of the theory of general relativity which contain wormholes. The first type of wormhole solution discovered was the Schwarzschild wormhole which would be present in the Schwarzschild metric describing an eternal black hole, but it was found that this type of wormhole would collapse too quickly for anything to cross from one end to the other. Wormholes which could actually be crossed, known as traversable wormholes, would only be possible if exotic matter with negative energy density could be used to stabilize them (many physicists such as Stephen Hawking[1], Kip Thorne[2], and others[3][4][5] believe that the Casimir effect is evidence that negative energy densities are possible in nature). Physicists have also not found any natural process which would be predicted to form a wormhole naturally in the context of general relativity, although the quantum foam hypothesis is sometimes used to suggest that tiny wormholes might appear and disappear spontaneously at the Planck scale.[6][7] It has also been proposed that if a tiny wormhole held open by a negative-mass cosmic string had appeared around the time of the Big Bang, it could have been inflated to macroscopic size by cosmic inflation.[8]" (from wikipedia)
Warp drives are a form of faster than light travel, and shifts in matter state I don't know how to address.
All I'm saying is that it's likelier that FTL travel on a macro scale does not exist than that it does.
I would guess, that if aliens exist and do have the technology and means to get to Earth (or wherever) in reasonable time, they are probably holding us to the level of ants.
Humans for the most part don't interact with less intelligent forms of life, why should they? All we do with animals is observe and exploit for our benefit, so it should work out about the same for them.
On July 16 2010 01:08 Go0g3n wrote: I would guess, that if aliens exist and do have the technology and means to get to Earth (or wherever) in reasonable time, they are probably holding us to the level of ants.
Humans for the most part don't interact with less intelligent forms of life, why should they?
Curiosity? Remember burning ants with a magnifying glass when you were little?
On July 16 2010 01:08 Go0g3n wrote: I would guess, that if aliens exist and do have the technology and means to get to Earth (or wherever) in reasonable time, they are probably holding us to the level of ants.
Humans for the most part don't interact with less intelligent forms of life, why should they?
Curiosity? Remember burning ants with a magnifying glass when you were little?
Well, that was probably it, fly over in a craft, flick on a bright light, observe the reaction and fly out.
if they had the technology to travel to earth in reasonable time they would also not need to use what we call the visible spectra to observe us; they'd be watching us in any number of frequencies most likely not 'visible light' simply because it pierces almost nothing and gives them almost no information; also they'd use a fucking camera not a huge array of spotlights on the underside of their ship
On July 16 2010 01:08 Go0g3n wrote: I would guess, that if aliens exist and do have the technology and means to get to Earth (or wherever) in reasonable time, they are probably holding us to the level of ants.
Humans for the most part don't interact with less intelligent forms of life, why should they?
Curiosity? Remember burning ants with a magnifying glass when you were little?
Well, that was probably it, fly over in a craft, flick on a bright light, observe the reaction and fly out.
Haha, I was just addressing your point as to when humans interact with ants. It was completely out of context with the thread and I probably should've made that clear XD
On July 16 2010 01:08 Go0g3n wrote: I would guess, that if aliens exist and do have the technology and means to get to Earth (or wherever) in reasonable time, they are probably holding us to the level of ants.
Humans for the most part don't interact with less intelligent forms of life, why should they? All we do with animals is observe and exploit for our benefit, so it should work out about the same for them.
I don't hold that view of other creatures and I hold myself to be more intelligent than my average peer. What makes you think that more intelligent creatures would have similar views to something much less intelligent than them? Do we hold the same views of the universe as monkeys?
(I'm not saying you're wrong, just that it's silly to postulate such a view like you actually have some sort of solid basis for it... "they're like us, just because")
On July 16 2010 01:08 Go0g3n wrote: I would guess, that if aliens exist and do have the technology and means to get to Earth (or wherever) in reasonable time, they are probably holding us to the level of ants.
Humans for the most part don't interact with less intelligent forms of life, why should they? All we do with animals is observe and exploit for our benefit, so it should work out about the same for them.
You're assuming though that these aliens will actually be more intelligent and evolved than us, when in fact they may have the same mental capacity as human beings and it's just their technology that's allowed them to accomplish what they have. They wouldn't necessarily consider us as the level of ants but perhaps in the same kind of way we'd consider tribes people who'd never had any contact with civilization or the outside world.
What I'm saying is that the aliens could be just as intelligent as we are only better educated and with superior technology.
On July 16 2010 01:12 Ossian wrote: if they had the technology to travel to earth in reasonable time they would also not need to use what we call the visible spectra to observe us; they'd be watching us in any number of frequencies most likely not 'visible light' simply because it pierces almost nothing and gives them almost no information; also they'd use a fucking camera not a huge array of spotlights on the underside of their ship
Isn't that speculation based on the modern glorified perception of aliens? Theres no substantial evidence that would instigate that extraterrestial life are all super fancy etc. They could just as well use visual receptors in their version of a cerebral cortex to translate information. And why would the 'technology' to travel to earth affect their visual reception. Consider us traveling to mars, or even jupiter a hundred or 2 hundred years down the roar. Our technology advanced SO much, yet we still rely on our eyes. or even in the past 17 years when the internet first came out and we still had windows 3.1, then bam. look how much our technlogy has increased. compared to speculations at the time. But we still rely on translation of the visible spectra in our occipital lobe.
These pictures are amazing, regardless wether it is real or fake. I'm inclined to believe the pictures are real, just because of the different perspectives. My I don't study in photography so I would have no idea wether these photos are fake or not.
On July 16 2010 01:08 Go0g3n wrote: I would guess, that if aliens exist and do have the technology and means to get to Earth (or wherever) in reasonable time, they are probably holding us to the level of ants.
Humans for the most part don't interact with less intelligent forms of life, why should they? All we do with animals is observe and exploit for our benefit, so it should work out about the same for them.
You're assuming though that these aliens will actually be more intelligent and evolved than us, when in fact they may have the same mental capacity as human beings and it's just their technology that's allowed them to accomplish what they have. They wouldn't necessarily consider us as the level of ants but perhaps in the same kind of way we'd consider tribes people who'd never had any contact with civilization or the outside world.
It would be more likely that this alien race is completely different from us in thought and mind (having taken completely separate steps of evolution), and so we would both probably seem somewhat animalistic to each other.
The fact that they have incredibly high technology levels would reinforce this especially on their side. They may not mean us any harm, but we would be considered lesser beings. The lesser beings are always made to serve the greater, just look at cattle, fish, plants, even bacteria.
Interaction between two alien races of drastically different technological levels would most likely mean bad news for the lesser advanced race. Even if the aliens were largely benevolent (like the first Europeans to America) they still pose massive economic and physical danger to the inhabitants. Eventually the less developed people are either assimilated or destroyed, it has happened many many times when cultures collide. And that's the same species.
Cool video (the bing one). I especially like the effect at 0:34, it seems to be pressing itself out of that cloud coat and, maybe it's just the light but afterwards it looks detached from it.
Whatever it is, it's cool to look at. Probably some new fuel? Is it possible to tell how fast it is flying and how far away / high it is?
On July 16 2010 01:08 Go0g3n wrote: I would guess, that if aliens exist and do have the technology and means to get to Earth (or wherever) in reasonable time, they are probably holding us to the level of ants.
Humans for the most part don't interact with less intelligent forms of life, why should they? All we do with animals is observe and exploit for our benefit, so it should work out about the same for them.
You're assuming though that these aliens will actually be more intelligent and evolved than us, when in fact they may have the same mental capacity as human beings and it's just their technology that's allowed them to accomplish what they have. They wouldn't necessarily consider us as the level of ants but perhaps in the same kind of way we'd consider tribes people who'd never had any contact with civilization or the outside world.
It would be more likely that this alien race is completely different from us in thought and mind (having taken completely separate steps of evolution), and so we would both probably seem somewhat animalistic to each other.
The fact that they have incredibly high technology levels would reinforce this especially on their side. They may not mean us any harm, but we would be considered lesser beings. The lesser beings are always made to serve the greater, just look at cattle, fish, plants, even bacteria.
Interaction between two alien races of drastically different technological levels would most likely mean bad news for the lesser advanced race. Even if the aliens were largely benevolent (like the first Europeans to America) they still pose massive economic and physical danger to the inhabitants. Eventually the less developed people are either assimilated or destroyed, it has happened many many times when cultures collide. And that's the same species.
Life as we conceive of it would still probably be either carbon or silicon based, and have some means of passings its genetic information (or equivalent) on to the next generation. So at a very basic level, there would probably be some similarities.
But yeah, other life is probably going to be wildly different from anything on Earth.
As for your benevolence issue, if there were a benevolent alien species advanced enough to develop FTL travel, they probably know not to interfere with the lives of lesser species. Star Trek's Prime Directive, anyone?
Ok guys, I really want to believe that the videos shown are actually aliens. I'm a big sci fi buff and aliens visiting Earth would be a dream. But logic says that its just not likely at all, not even beyond an infinitesimal doubt.
Some one already posted the Carl Sagan quote, so I won't repeat it but yeah, there isn't an inkling of extraordinary evidence here. So its a UFO, and UNIDENTIFIED flying object, immediately labeling it of alien origin is just rash and isn't taking some basic logic skills into account.
First: There is absolutely no hard/physical evidence, maybe there will be in the future when they are done investigating, ie particles taken from its 'smoke trail', radiation readings, debris maybe. Pictures are NOT evidence that its an alien craft, hell the videos didn't even show it doing anything that a normal craft couldn't do.
Second: I'm sure you've heard the principel of Occam's razor which states that theory with the least assumptions is often the correct one. So lets apply that here.
Theory 1: It's some sort of human made craft, maybe government, maybe private (who knows it could be some guys aircraft he made in his backyard).
Theory 2: An alien spacecraft from hundreds to thousands of light years across the universe, after some how 'surveying' us, despite the fact that our radio signals have only traveled about 70 lyrs, decided to come to the Earth. This statement hides all the assumptions that are needed to make it reasonable.
Theory 2 assumptions: 1. Aliens exist (ok this assumption, in my opinion borders on fact given its extremely unlikely that aliens DON'T exist given the 200 billion starts int he galaxy) 2. These aliens evolved into highly sentient beings. 3. These aliens have survived for the thousands upon millions of years necessary to develop such technology, technology that according to our understanding of physics is impossible. (this statement in itself is backed by even more assumptions) 4. The aliens despite the infinitesimal chances found our planet and decided to visit it.
So which of these 2 theories seems more, likely, reasonable?
I really want to believe that aliens have visited earth because the thought that we'll never make contact with anything that hasn't originated on this planet makes me a little sick and sad. But it is a little silly to assume that every UFO is an alien craft.
so the nearest star capable of having planets that could support life is 40 light years away. Even if they went the speed of light... (theoretically impossible) .... they took a 40 year journey to flash a big flashlight on a chinese airport?
On July 16 2010 01:12 Ossian wrote: if they had the technology to travel to earth in reasonable time they would also not need to use what we call the visible spectra to observe us; they'd be watching us in any number of frequencies most likely not 'visible light' simply because it pierces almost nothing and gives them almost no information; also they'd use a fucking camera not a huge array of spotlights on the underside of their ship
Isn't that speculation based on the modern glorified perception of aliens? Theres no substantial evidence that would instigate that extraterrestial life are all super fancy etc. They could just as well use visual receptors in their version of a cerebral cortex to translate information. And why would the 'technology' to travel to earth affect their visual reception. Consider us traveling to mars, or even jupiter a hundred or 2 hundred years down the roar. Our technology advanced SO much, yet we still rely on our eyes. or even in the past 17 years when the internet first came out and we still had windows 3.1, then bam. look how much our technlogy has increased. compared to speculations at the time. But we still rely on translation of the visible spectra in our occipital lobe.
first of all you can't really compare the rift between stone-age tech and modern tech with the rift between modern tech and the ability to travel faster than light. the ability to travel to mars or jupiter is just ridiculous in this context. we KNOW there's no advanced civilization for many lightyears in any direction
also we already use infra-red in our modern world why wouldn't they. and if we were to scout out another planet for civilization we would sure as hell send a robot that probably registers a wide range of wavelengths, think of a super advanced mars rover... it all comes down to the intention, when we spy on other human nations for example we don't use a huge spotlight array; so if it were indeed an alien ship we can definetly rule spying out. what is left is either they are trying to make contact or they are doing it as a joke if they were trying to make contact they could just as easily just land and introduce themselves.. and if they were just doing it for shits and giggles why is it such a localized event?
WTF, that picture is completely different from the one I've been seeing in Chinese websites... THIS is the UFO that appeared in Hangzhou a few days ago....
On July 16 2010 02:25 iloahz wrote: WTF, that picture is completely different from the one I've been seeing in Chinese websites... THIS is the UFO that appeared in Hangzhou a few days ago....
The video in the OP looks completely fake and it might have just been a mistake since every other source has a different video with something that appears to be going very, very fast.
A theory I haven't heard mentioned is that UFO's may not necessarily be controlled by living organisms, but rather by a strong AI developed by living organisms. There would be no time limitations imposed upon such systems.
On July 16 2010 01:12 Ossian wrote: if they had the technology to travel to earth in reasonable time they would also not need to use what we call the visible spectra to observe us; they'd be watching us in any number of frequencies most likely not 'visible light' simply because it pierces almost nothing and gives them almost no information; also they'd use a fucking camera not a huge array of spotlights on the underside of their ship
Isn't that speculation based on the modern glorified perception of aliens? Theres no substantial evidence that would instigate that extraterrestial life are all super fancy etc. They could just as well use visual receptors in their version of a cerebral cortex to translate information. And why would the 'technology' to travel to earth affect their visual reception. Consider us traveling to mars, or even jupiter a hundred or 2 hundred years down the roar. Our technology advanced SO much, yet we still rely on our eyes. or even in the past 17 years when the internet first came out and we still had windows 3.1, then bam. look how much our technlogy has increased. compared to speculations at the time. But we still rely on translation of the visible spectra in our occipital lobe.
first of all you can't really compare the rift between stone-age tech and modern tech with the rift between modern tech and the ability to travel faster than light. the ability to travel to mars or jupiter is just ridiculous in this context. we KNOW there's no advanced civilization for many lightyears in any direction
No we don't. We(you and I) don't even know for certain what is on our moon. Or under our oceans. How can you make such a claim.
On July 15 2010 23:49 Tazza wrote: Hmmm, maybe there are aliens and they want to make contact with Chinese. I guess aliens think Chinese are great since they had a long history. Or it could be fake
The time it would take for any alien craft to get here would be so long that the history of china wouldn't even seem like a Planck time unit (5.391×10^−44 seconds), infact the entierity of earths history and life span would be considered a fart in the wind.
Wouldn't the time actually depend on the distance to their location and traveling speed (or means)?
Yeah, but then were starting to get into lightspeed travel or wormhole theories, which would both get the "aliens" here very quickly for the distance. But seeing as how the universe is ~10 billion years old, our solar system is ~4billion years old, and modern man has only been around for ~100,000 years, I think its very possible a civilization thats billions and billions of years old would take the time to check in on the relatively primitive planets/cultures for study. And think of it like this, if modern humans have only had 100,000 years to develop technology, and we have already traveled in space, landed on the moon, and are already planning and building the machinery necessary for a trip to mars and asteroids, what do you think we could do if we were around for another 3 billion years?
Even assuming there were a way, for any alien civilization looking to make contact with others, why would they try on an outer arm of a galaxy when they could go much closer to the galaxy's center where star densities are much denser than they are in our local neighborhood?
maybe we are the only alien race to send out radio signals/space ships etc
Probabilistically, if other alien cultures exist, we'd expect a greater number of signals to occur from a star-rich area of space than a relative void.
Just ask yourself: if you had to look for alien life somewhere, would you look on the outskirts of the galaxy or near the dense core? Of course it's possible that only civilizations from relatively empty areas of space send broadcast messages, but it's much more probable that given other cultures exist, they will be found in the higher density regions.
For all we know they have been looking for the past 10 million years and could have searched the entire galaxy already. They may also have some complex life detecting equipment that alerts them where there may be a possibility of new life, and for all we know they may have found a ton of it near the core of our galaxy. If there was a new alien civilization at the outskirts of the galaxy, and they've mastered interstellar travel, why wouldn't they?
On July 15 2010 13:37 travis wrote: kinda looks like something being projected if that's light being put out, light would be expanding from the source, not condensing.
On July 15 2010 23:49 Tazza wrote: Hmmm, maybe there are aliens and they want to make contact with Chinese. I guess aliens think Chinese are great since they had a long history. Or it could be fake
The time it would take for any alien craft to get here would be so long that the history of china wouldn't even seem like a Planck time unit (5.391×10^−44 seconds), infact the entierity of earths history and life span would be considered a fart in the wind.
Wouldn't the time actually depend on the distance to their location and traveling speed (or means)?
Yeah, but then were starting to get into lightspeed travel or wormhole theories, which would both get the "aliens" here very quickly for the distance. But seeing as how the universe is ~10 billion years old, our solar system is ~4billion years old, and modern man has only been around for ~200,000 years, I think its very possible a civilization thats billions and billions of years old would take the time to check in on the relatively primitive planets/cultures for study. And think of it like this, if modern humans have only had 200,000 years to develop technology, and we have already traveled in space, landed on the moon, and are already planning and building the machinery necessary for a trip to mars and asteroids, what do you think we could do if we were around for another 3 billion years?
I am a man of sience, atm the only thing that is proven is that a spaceship can't go faster than the speed of light, it's against what the laws of physics describe atm. Saying that "woo we can go to mars" doesn't really work, because well it will take 18 months. just to go to mars, having that in comparison to space travel that could reach aliens we would need those 3 billion years just to get there if we started now.
But lets say some aliens manages to get here, how come they are always the same size as us? The chances of that happening is so slim it'd be more likley for us to start a zombie apocalypse. Whos to say we wont have some sort of technology in 50 years that would let us travel to
There is a system in development right now that would use lasers to push vehicles from the earth to mars in under a month I believe, so that would be a huge leap in technology in a very short time (I'll try to find it and edit in the link). So yeah it works because its one hell of a jumping off point into space exploration outside of our solar system.
And you almost stated my point exactly, we may need those 3 billion years to develop technology that would allow us to easily visit other alien civilizations, and I was saying that there could ALREADY be civilizations billions and billions of years old with that tech. The point was if we could do what we've done as humans in such a relatively short amount of time, imagine what a civilization that came to be when the universe was only 2 billion years old is capable of doing now.
On July 16 2010 02:37 travis wrote: A theory I haven't heard mentioned is that UFO's may not necessarily be controlled by living organisms, but rather by a strong AI developed by living organisms. There would be no time limitations imposed upon such systems.
On July 16 2010 01:12 Ossian wrote: if they had the technology to travel to earth in reasonable time they would also not need to use what we call the visible spectra to observe us; they'd be watching us in any number of frequencies most likely not 'visible light' simply because it pierces almost nothing and gives them almost no information; also they'd use a fucking camera not a huge array of spotlights on the underside of their ship
Isn't that speculation based on the modern glorified perception of aliens? Theres no substantial evidence that would instigate that extraterrestial life are all super fancy etc. They could just as well use visual receptors in their version of a cerebral cortex to translate information. And why would the 'technology' to travel to earth affect their visual reception. Consider us traveling to mars, or even jupiter a hundred or 2 hundred years down the roar. Our technology advanced SO much, yet we still rely on our eyes. or even in the past 17 years when the internet first came out and we still had windows 3.1, then bam. look how much our technlogy has increased. compared to speculations at the time. But we still rely on translation of the visible spectra in our occipital lobe.
first of all you can't really compare the rift between stone-age tech and modern tech with the rift between modern tech and the ability to travel faster than light. the ability to travel to mars or jupiter is just ridiculous in this context. we KNOW there's no advanced civilization for many lightyears in any direction
No we don't. We(you and I) don't even know for certain what is on our moon. Or under our oceans. How can you make such a claim.
A very popular theory is that the first intelligent life we encounter actually will be inorganic AI that learned how to live on almost indefinitely. So yeah, I guess floating in space towards your target for 400,000 years wouldn't really hurt them much. Guess it's time for me to go digging for some sources.
(this one is especially good... I don't know who could possibly argue that the UFO doesn't quickly change direction and that something shoots at it and misses.. unless that's not what is in the video at all. but then wtf is?)
First video was the biggest waste of time wtf? the line is NASAs tether thing and the objects are just space debris floating around every which way. Nothing out of the ordinary.
The second video I dunno, it does look strange but could the quick change in direction be the result of gravity shift or electromagnetic field?
Does the US always go around shooting missiles at random shit? That doesn't sound realistic at all. What if it was Russian or Chinese, that would cause some problems.
On July 16 2010 02:54 CharlieMurphy wrote: The second video I dunno, it does look strange but could the quick change in direction be the result of gravity shift or electromagnetic field?
Does the US always go around shooting missiles at random shit? That doesn't sound realistic at all. What if it was Russian or Chinese, that would cause some problems.
This is a video of a directional nozzle being fired on a 3rd rocket stage or a decoupling satellite just out of view to the left; the video image has been cropped to hide it. The flash is the nozzles firing, the "ufo" changing direction is a piece of debris being hit by the nozzle exhaust, and the "missile" is yet another piece of debris caught in the exhaust off-screen to the left. no aliens here, sorry.
On July 16 2010 02:20 Destro wrote: so the nearest star capable of having planets that could support life is 40 light years away. Even if they went the speed of light... (theoretically impossible) .... they took a 40 year journey to flash a big flashlight on a chinese airport?
really?
Not sayin the video looks real or that aliens are real, but this argument I hear all the time and it is bad. Who knows what the fuck they are doing when they are floating around and/or flashing lights. Are they studying and observing us? Is it just a robotic probe? Is the light actually some kind of power related thing?
Like seriously, if you assume they have the speed of light tech- then why assume that it's 'just a big flash light'?
On July 16 2010 02:54 CharlieMurphy wrote: First video was the biggest waste of time wtf? the line is NASAs tether thing and the objects are just space debris floating around every which way. Nothing out of the ordinary.
guess you don't notice that the "debris" appears to go behind the tether(which if it did, would mean that the "debris" is multiple kilomoters across). not very sharp there charlie
now, the explanation of it just being translucent dust illuminated by the sun and very near to the camera is reasonable, and I had heard that before. your explanation sucks though and doesn't explain anything.
jello: I'd have to do some research into that. it's just a random youtube comment. lots of people attempt to post explanations that doesn't mean it's correct. you can't just hear something that sounds possible and go "there you go case closed", that's stupid.
I may be overly optimistic, but I doubt that humanity will need ~3b years to come up with alien-like Sci-fi space travel, I'd say we will have everything you see on StarTrek or StarWars by 2250-2300.
On July 16 2010 02:07 MangoTango wrote: I'm currently watching Contact. Wow. This movie is awesome. What a coincidence with this post.
Sorry I have to rain on your parade, but Contact was a bad movie, just badddd.
lol, hey don't worry if jake busey is a terrorist. There is some random rich dude who hid his identical billions dollar project in china and no one is aware.
On July 16 2010 02:54 CharlieMurphy wrote: First video was the biggest waste of time wtf? the line is NASAs tether thing and the objects are just space debris floating around every which way. Nothing out of the ordinary.
guess you don't notice that the "debris" appears to go behind the tether(which if it did, would mean that the "debris" is multiple kilomoters across). not very sharp there charlie
now, the explanation of it just being translucent dust illuminated by the sun and very near to the camera is reasonable, and I had heard that before. your explanation sucks though and doesn't explain anything.
jello: I'd have to do some research into that. it's just a random youtube comment. lots of people attempt to post explanations that doesn't mean it's correct. you can't just hear something that sounds possible and go "there you go case closed", that's stupid.
why can't debris be below, above, behind, in front, to the side? Who said the debris has anything to do with the project itself? And all the objects of debris look much larger because the video is washed out and the light is reflecting. They did say that it is approaching sunrise.
On July 16 2010 02:07 MangoTango wrote: I'm currently watching Contact. Wow. This movie is awesome. What a coincidence with this post.
Sorry I have to rain on your parade, but Contact was a bad movie, just badddd.
lol, hey don't worry if jake busey is a terrorist. There is some random rich dude who hid his identical billions dollar project in china and no one is aware.
I always wondered how the hell do you hide something like that? Did the US not used to take satellite photographs? Now wed just see it on google earth lol.
On July 16 2010 02:54 CharlieMurphy wrote: First video was the biggest waste of time wtf? the line is NASAs tether thing and the objects are just space debris floating around every which way. Nothing out of the ordinary.
guess you don't notice that the "debris" appears to go behind the tether(which if it did, would mean that the "debris" is multiple kilomoters across). not very sharp there charlie
now, the explanation of it just being translucent dust illuminated by the sun and very near to the camera is reasonable, and I had heard that before. your explanation sucks though and doesn't explain anything.
jello: I'd have to do some research into that. it's just a random youtube comment. lots of people attempt to post explanations that doesn't mean it's correct. you can't just hear something that sounds possible and go "there you go case closed", that's stupid.
why can't debris be below, above, behind, in front, to the side? Who said the debris has anything to do with the project itself? And all the objects of debris look much larger because the video is washed out and the light is reflecting. They did say that it is approaching sunrise.
either the debris is translucent and close to the camera, or it is in reality huge and behind the tether.
it can't be one or the other. if it goes behind the tether, it must be huge, because if it is farther away than the tether, and the tether is huge... well.. obviously it is huge as well. (to give u an idea, the tether's length is in the kms, and it is like 90km away (or maybe more i can't remember)
the reason it can't be one or the other is that "large debris" does not turn invisible when it passes in front of objects, as far as I know. however small particles may.
This is a video of a directional nozzle being fired on a 3rd rocket stage or a decoupling satellite just out of view to the left; the video image has been cropped to hide it. The flash is the nozzles firing, the "ufo" changing direction is a piece of debris being hit by the nozzle exhaust, and the "missile" is yet another piece of debris caught in the exhaust off-screen to the left. no aliens here, sorry.
There you go.
ok, after doing research I have found multiple sources claiming unedited video and that video is the exact same
also, if u look at the video, the ufos have different trajectories and different sources from which they move. given that they are so far away, your explanation seems very unreasonable
after watching a video of expert analysis he goes to make a great point which pretty much ruins the explanation you give
"debris could not *stop*, wait for half a second, and THEN accelerate away. if it was being pushed it would accelerate away in the opposite direction immediately"
On July 16 2010 02:54 CharlieMurphy wrote: First video was the biggest waste of time wtf? the line is NASAs tether thing and the objects are just space debris floating around every which way. Nothing out of the ordinary.
guess you don't notice that the "debris" appears to go behind the tether(which if it did, would mean that the "debris" is multiple kilomoters across). not very sharp there charlie
now, the explanation of it just being translucent dust illuminated by the sun and very near to the camera is reasonable, and I had heard that before. your explanation sucks though and doesn't explain anything.
jello: I'd have to do some research into that. it's just a random youtube comment. lots of people attempt to post explanations that doesn't mean it's correct. you can't just hear something that sounds possible and go "there you go case closed", that's stupid.
why can't debris be below, above, behind, in front, to the side? Who said the debris has anything to do with the project itself? And all the objects of debris look much larger because the video is washed out and the light is reflecting. They did say that it is approaching sunrise.
either the debris is translucent and close to the camera, or it is in reality huge and behind the tether.
it can't be one or the other. if it goes behind the tether, it must be huge, because if it is farther away than the tether, and the tether is huge... well.. obviously it is huge as well. (to give u an idea, the tether's length is in the kms, and it is like 90km away (or maybe more i can't remember)
the reason it can't be one or the other is that "large debris" does not turn invisible when it passes in front of objects, as far as I know. however small particles may.
Why would it turn invisible, the shadow would be coming towards the camera (sort of) because it is approaching sunrise if that's what you mean. And the debris don't have to be miles long because even the smallest thing could be reflecting very brightly. And if they were a bunch of space craft why the hell is the audio of the people so uncaring, like it's just some standard space shit, which it is. I've seen other nasa footage where the astronauts were like "Wtf is that?" when they didn't know what something was.
Here is a diagram Sorry if it's reversed, can't really tell from the video. But even if it was it would be the same thing the other direction.
PS- the random debris could also just be spinning akwardly so that they seem to turn invisible at points because only 1 side has a bright reflection, or more correctly, one side doesn't have a bright reflection.
PPS- the tether may be miles long, but how thick is it? I doubt it's miles thick. Ever seen an aircraft shadow pass over you? They're pretty small and the shadow passes over so fast that you barely even notice anything. So imagine that for something traveling even faster ,90 miles away.
Guys stop being stupid. Lets first say that the chances of it being an ALIEN space craft is just so small. That video is hardly conclusive evidence that aliens exist and have visited us, and that the little spec you see in that video is actually a mother ship kilometers across.
Lets ignore the countless logical and more likely scenarios and focus on the aliens. Yeah great idea.
On July 16 2010 03:34 MadVillain wrote: Guys stop being stupid. Lets first say that the chances of it being an ALIEN space craft is just so small. That video is hardly conclusive evidence that aliens exist and have visited us, and that the little spec you see in that video is actually a mother ship kilometers across.
Lets ignore the countless logical and more likely scenarios and focus on the aliens. Yeah great idea.
Why even post if you won't say what makes this so unlikely and what it is that you think is more likely? Don't post for the sake of posting. Post to contribute something.
So, any1 wanna take a crack at it? Airplane size, two or four rocket engines in the back, by the looks of it none of the them running on conventional rocket fuel (liquid oxygen, liquid hydrogen).
P.S. Not sure if I'm getting this right, but there seem to be 3 or 4 different objects on the video above, 2 leaving yellow trails and one with a white'ish comet tail and the 4th one @ night with the lights.
wow i probably pressed play 50 times thinking my computer was lagging lol
This is a video of a directional nozzle being fired on a 3rd rocket stage or a decoupling satellite just out of view to the left; the video image has been cropped to hide it. The flash is the nozzles firing, the "ufo" changing direction is a piece of debris being hit by the nozzle exhaust, and the "missile" is yet another piece of debris caught in the exhaust off-screen to the left. no aliens here, sorry.
There you go.
ok, after doing research I have found multiple sources claiming unedited video and that video is the exact same
also, if u look at the video, the ufos have different trajectories and different sources from which they move. given that they are so far away, your explanation seems very unreasonable
after watching a video of expert analysis he goes to make a great point which pretty much ruins the explanation you give
"debris could not *stop*, wait for half a second, and THEN accelerate away. if it was being pushed it would accelerate away in the opposite direction immediately"
argue that :/
yes it could. By the definition above about some rocket blast. The initial blast could stop or slow it, and the second stronger stage (which happens milliseconds later) could send the slowed object off flying.
This is a video of a directional nozzle being fired on a 3rd rocket stage or a decoupling satellite just out of view to the left; the video image has been cropped to hide it. The flash is the nozzles firing, the "ufo" changing direction is a piece of debris being hit by the nozzle exhaust, and the "missile" is yet another piece of debris caught in the exhaust off-screen to the left. no aliens here, sorry.
There you go.
ok, after doing research I have found multiple sources claiming unedited video and that video is the exact same
also, if u look at the video, the ufos have different trajectories and different sources from which they move. given that they are so far away, your explanation seems very unreasonable
after watching a video of expert analysis he goes to make a great point which pretty much ruins the explanation you give
"debris could not *stop*, wait for half a second, and THEN accelerate away. if it was being pushed it would accelerate away in the opposite direction immediately"
argue that :/
yes it could. By the definition above about some rocket blast. The initial blast could stop or slow it, and the second stronger stage (which happens milliseconds later) could send the sowed object off flying.
well, maybe. i guess it's possible but this explanation seems even more far fetched than it just being ufos to me.
On July 16 2010 03:34 MadVillain wrote: Guys stop being stupid. Lets first say that the chances of it being an ALIEN space craft is just so small. That video is hardly conclusive evidence that aliens exist and have visited us, and that the little spec you see in that video is actually a mother ship kilometers across.
Lets ignore the countless logical and more likely scenarios and focus on the aliens. Yeah great idea.
Why even post if you won't say what makes this so unlikely and what it is that you think is more likely? Don't post for the sake of posting. Post to contribute something.
From the video itself
astronaut 1: you guys getting the image?
astronaut 2: franklin we see a long line a couple of star like things and a lot of things swimming in the foreground, can you describe what you're seeing?
astronaut 1: well the long line is the tether and umm there is a little bit of debri that flys with us and uhh its illuminated by the sun at such low angles etc
This doesn't sound like they saw anything, if there were kilometer long space ships flying by I think there would be some more investigation and they would have said something. Unless of course this is a conspiracy and all the video was edited out.
You you said what makes it so unlikely? I mean come on, I don't think I need to outline that to you, it really should be obvious. The whole traveling thousands of light years, finding the obscure planet earth etc etc.
This was taken in what 1995? So the camera quality is awful, I think its just debris which makes sense because it started right after the tether broke, or it could be artifacs or dust, or the fact they are filming directly into sunlight, which in space is incredibly bright.
On July 16 2010 02:20 Destro wrote: so the nearest star capable of having planets that could support life is 40 light years away. Even if they went the speed of light... (theoretically impossible) .... they took a 40 year journey to flash a big flashlight on a chinese airport?
really?
Not sayin the video looks real or that aliens are real, but this argument I hear all the time and it is bad. Who knows what the fuck they are doing when they are floating around and/or flashing lights. Are they studying and observing us? Is it just a robotic probe? Is the light actually some kind of power related thing?
Like seriously, if you assume they have the speed of light tech- then why assume that it's 'just a big flash light'?
i was just being cheek.
of course if its actually aliens i would have no idea what it is they are doing.
a shitty windows movie maker slideshow of a bunch of grainy pictures on youtube. Im obviously convinced.
On July 16 2010 02:04 MadVillain wrote: Ok guys, I really want to believe that the videos shown are actually aliens. I'm a big sci fi buff and aliens visiting Earth would be a dream. But logic says that its just not likely at all, not even beyond an infinitesimal doubt.
Some one already posted the Carl Sagan quote, so I won't repeat it but yeah, there isn't an inkling of extraordinary evidence here. So its a UFO, and UNIDENTIFIED flying object, immediately labeling it of alien origin is just rash and isn't taking some basic logic skills into account.
First: There is absolutely no hard/physical evidence, maybe there will be in the future when they are done investigating, ie particles taken from its 'smoke trail', radiation readings, debris maybe. Pictures are NOT evidence that its an alien craft, hell the videos didn't even show it doing anything that a normal craft couldn't do.
Second: I'm sure you've heard the principel of Occam's razor which states that theory with the least assumptions is often the correct one. So lets apply that here.
Theory 1: It's some sort of human made craft, maybe government, maybe private (who knows it could be some guys aircraft he made in his backyard).
Theory 2: An alien spacecraft from hundreds to thousands of light years across the universe, after some how 'surveying' us, despite the fact that our radio signals have only traveled about 70 lyrs, decided to come to the Earth. This statement hides all the assumptions that are needed to make it reasonable.
Theory 2 assumptions: 1. Aliens exist (ok this assumption, in my opinion borders on fact given its extremely unlikely that aliens DON'T exist given the 200 billion starts int he galaxy) 2. These aliens evolved into highly sentient beings. 3. These aliens have survived for the thousands upon millions of years necessary to develop such technology, technology that according to our understanding of physics is impossible. (this statement in itself is backed by even more assumptions) 4. The aliens despite the infinitesimal chances found our planet and decided to visit it.
So which of these 2 theories seems more, likely, reasonable?
I really want to believe that aliens have visited earth because the thought that we'll never make contact with anything that hasn't originated on this planet makes me a little sick and sad. But it is a little silly to assume that every UFO is an alien craft.
You apparently didn't read my first post at all, because there is hard evidence of it. Hundreds of people saw it, it was covered by a ton of media outlets, it shut down an airport's air traffic, it was visible on their radar, and the Chinese government gave a statement about it. Nobody said every UFO is an alien craft. I personally think it's Chinese tech!
On July 16 2010 02:20 Destro wrote: so the nearest star capable of having planets that could support life is 40 light years away. Even if they went the speed of light... (theoretically impossible) .... they took a 40 year journey to flash a big flashlight on a chinese airport?
really?
Not sayin the video looks real or that aliens are real, but this argument I hear all the time and it is bad. Who knows what the fuck they are doing when they are floating around and/or flashing lights. Are they studying and observing us? Is it just a robotic probe? Is the light actually some kind of power related thing?
Like seriously, if you assume they have the speed of light tech- then why assume that it's 'just a big flash light'?
i was just being cheek.
of course if its actually aliens i would have no idea what it is they are doing.
a shitty windows movie maker slideshow of a bunch of grainy pictures on youtube. Im obviously convinced.
Another person that didn't even read the post. Just jumped onto the embedded slideshow.
Please for your sake read the post next time. Thanks.
And about the moon landing, I get so enraged when I see people who deny the moon landing happened. I wish I could pull a 1930 Soviet Russia purge on all of them.
The closed mindedness people have that aliens are like bug eyed creatures with the ability to hover with zero propulsion on earth, a planet that surely will have completely unique gravitational effects is silly.
This isn't a UFO. I would bet 1000 dollars on that no problem. Its either some aircraft or something different, man made, not from some other planet.
Just because people can come up with a down to earth explanation that is very very bad, that does not give credence to the idea that this is a UFO sighting. (so it is unidentified, but is it flying? And is it even an object, or just a light effect?)
On July 16 2010 07:12 ZlaSHeR wrote: This isn't a UFO. I would bet 1000 dollars on that no problem. Its either some aircraft or something different, man made, not from some other planet.
I'll take your bet sir, identify that flying object and I'll send you your $1000, fail to correctly identify it and you send me the money ok? ^^
On July 16 2010 08:27 Famehunter wrote: If this is a military craft then china really screwed up. What would warrant sending such a high profile piece of machinery to a civilian airport?
Lets use common sense here.
Fact: the object is flying Fact: the object was seen above an airport...
Ummm can anyone add 1+1 here?
You think aliens would take the time to actually land at an airport if they came to "visit" us?
Haha, what. I thought common sense being put into play would also bring about the assumption that the aliens saw objects flying from said airport and floated above to investigate.
On July 16 2010 02:04 MadVillain wrote: Ok guys, I really want to believe that the videos shown are actually aliens. I'm a big sci fi buff and aliens visiting Earth would be a dream. But logic says that its just not likely at all, not even beyond an infinitesimal doubt.
Some one already posted the Carl Sagan quote, so I won't repeat it but yeah, there isn't an inkling of extraordinary evidence here. So its a UFO, and UNIDENTIFIED flying object, immediately labeling it of alien origin is just rash and isn't taking some basic logic skills into account.
First: There is absolutely no hard/physical evidence, maybe there will be in the future when they are done investigating, ie particles taken from its 'smoke trail', radiation readings, debris maybe. Pictures are NOT evidence that its an alien craft, hell the videos didn't even show it doing anything that a normal craft couldn't do.
Second: I'm sure you've heard the principel of Occam's razor which states that theory with the least assumptions is often the correct one. So lets apply that here.
Theory 1: It's some sort of human made craft, maybe government, maybe private (who knows it could be some guys aircraft he made in his backyard).
Theory 2: An alien spacecraft from hundreds to thousands of light years across the universe, after some how 'surveying' us, despite the fact that our radio signals have only traveled about 70 lyrs, decided to come to the Earth. This statement hides all the assumptions that are needed to make it reasonable.
Theory 2 assumptions: 1. Aliens exist (ok this assumption, in my opinion borders on fact given its extremely unlikely that aliens DON'T exist given the 200 billion starts int he galaxy) 2. These aliens evolved into highly sentient beings. 3. These aliens have survived for the thousands upon millions of years necessary to develop such technology, technology that according to our understanding of physics is impossible. (this statement in itself is backed by even more assumptions) 4. The aliens despite the infinitesimal chances found our planet and decided to visit it.
So which of these 2 theories seems more, likely, reasonable?
I really want to believe that aliens have visited earth because the thought that we'll never make contact with anything that hasn't originated on this planet makes me a little sick and sad. But it is a little silly to assume that every UFO is an alien craft.
You apparently didn't read my first post at all, because there is hard evidence of it. Hundreds of people saw it, it was covered by a ton of media outlets, it shut down an airport's air traffic, it was visible on their radar, and the Chinese government gave a statement about it. Nobody said every UFO is an alien craft. I personally think it's Chinese tech!
I meant hard evidence of it being an alien craft. I don't doubt that the people saw something. I'm just doubting that its ET's space ferrari. The flying object being Chinese is a much more likely prospect. I was talking to the people claiming its an alien craft.
Hmmmm... from the linked video, it does look very military in nature!! Looks like a experiment gone wrong!! The pictures make it look more like a UFO though!!!
im so excited about aliens, i would really like to live so long we finally make a contact (or at least find other form of biochemistry in our solar system).
i would like to add one link and ask you if you know something about it or what your opinions are. Its about a man from portsmouth in england and he has hours and hours of UFO footage.
What do you think those objects could be? (if it is not a fake) What I hate about this guy is that if these sightings happened on regular basis he should have gotten better device (with better resolution, optics and everything) and make his contribution to one of the greatest discoveries in human history - so maybe there goes his credibility.
If this is a military craft then china really screwed up. What would warrant sending such a high profile piece of machinery to a civilian airport?
Lets use common sense here.
Fact: the object is flying Fact: the object was seen above an airport...
Ummm can anyone add 1+1 here?
You think aliens would take the time to actually land at an airport if they came to "visit" us?
Common sense is: We know nothing about why they're here, know nothing about what they're flying, know nothing about what they know ABOUT US.
They dont know what an airport is (im sure they're not stuipd though) they might be as interested in our airport as we are as interested in what the UFO is in general. They might not CARE if we see them at all, why would they want to hide their existence?
talking about possible alien intentions is pointless in my opinion.. if they came here, kidnapped all pandas, completely ignored our will to communicate with them and simply left - we couldnt say a thing.. they are aliens, they know their shit
On July 16 2010 10:22 sTromSK wrote: talking about possible alien intentions is pointless in my opinion.. if they came here, kidnapped all pandas, completely ignored our will to communicate with them and simply left - we couldnt say a thing.. they are aliens, they know their shit
explain the changing flight paths of "debris" or "dust particles"
for those who don't get it, this is the same incident this shows the flight paths of the objects in the first video
the guy has a longer, more indepth video if you're interested
The changing of direction could easily be explained by particles coming into the light while another exits the light, combined with the fact perspective in space is a bitch when your moving at the same time as everything else is. Seriously, this comes from someone who 100% sure aliens exist somewhere pretty sure some of them have probably stopped by, that's one of the worst pieces of UFO evidence I've ever seen.
Myles: no, that wouldn't explain it at all. did you even watch the video? look at the trajectories. hell, the objects are moving different directions at the same time. some of them even reverse direction. explain how light could account for one object turning right and another object turning left at the same time. one object even reverses direction (while others go straight, and others turn).
stealth: i've skimmed through that thread before. it doesn't debunk anything, and certainly doesn't address the video i posted. it has some neat discussion though.
man, how do people so easily dismiss this shit. have u guys not seen videos of debris in space before? it doesn't move like that...
i mean jesus, one of the objects turns around, and then turns again! in like a 3 second period. how could that possibly be an effect of sunlight.
On July 16 2010 14:26 travis wrote: Myles: no, that wouldn't explain it at all. did you even watch the video? look at the trajectories. hell, the objects are moving different directions at the same time. some of them even reverse direction. explain how light could account for one object turning right and another object turning left at the same time. one object even reverses direction (while others go straight, and others turn).
stealth: i've skimmed through that thread before. it doesn't debunk anything, and certainly doesn't address the video i posted. it has some neat discussion though.
man, how do people so easily dismiss this shit. have u guys not seen videos of debris in space before? it doesn't move like that...
Whatever man. I've watched all the videos, and that one is by far the least impressive. You're perspective is changing the whole time and the space dust is all moving in different directions, which which is why some things appear to curve left or right. It's nearly impossible to say an object changing direction is in fact the same object the entire time because its poor quality, it could easily be two objects entering/exiting the light. If you can't accept that this is a possibility why do expect me to accept that its not?
On July 16 2010 14:26 travis wrote: Myles: no, that wouldn't explain it at all. did you even watch the video? look at the trajectories. hell, the objects are moving different directions at the same time. some of them even reverse direction. explain how light could account for one object turning right and another object turning left at the same time. one object even reverses direction (while others go straight, and others turn).
stealth: i've skimmed through that thread before. it doesn't debunk anything, and certainly doesn't address the video i posted. it has some neat discussion though.
man, how do people so easily dismiss this shit. have u guys not seen videos of debris in space before? it doesn't move like that...
Whatever man. I've watched all the videos, and that one is by far the least impressive. You're perspective is changing the whole time and the space dust is all moving in different directions, which which is why some things appear to curve left or right. It's nearly impossible to say an object changing direction is in fact the same object the entire time because its poor quality, it could easily be two objects entering/exiting the light. If you can't accept that this is a possibility why do expect me to accept that its not?
because that doesn't make any sense when there is only one source of light and you're viewing everything from one perspective in real time.
There is one source of light, and one thing turns to the left, and another turns to the right - at the same time.
You're actually suggesting that space dust is disappearing and then other space dust is appearing in the exact same spot with a different trajectory, at the exact same time as the other dust disappears? dude that makes no sense at all.
so just so i understand, because I know you're an intelligent guy
your claim is that the video is bogus, and that it doesn't actually properly track the objects?
On July 16 2010 14:26 travis wrote: Myles: no, that wouldn't explain it at all. did you even watch the video? look at the trajectories. hell, the objects are moving different directions at the same time. some of them even reverse direction. explain how light could account for one object turning right and another object turning left at the same time. one object even reverses direction (while others go straight, and others turn).
stealth: i've skimmed through that thread before. it doesn't debunk anything, and certainly doesn't address the video i posted. it has some neat discussion though.
man, how do people so easily dismiss this shit. have u guys not seen videos of debris in space before? it doesn't move like that...
Whatever man. I've watched all the videos, and that one is by far the least impressive. You're perspective is changing the whole time and the space dust is all moving in different directions, which which is why some things appear to curve left or right. It's nearly impossible to say an object changing direction is in fact the same object the entire time because its poor quality, it could easily be two objects entering/exiting the light. If you can't accept that this is a possibility why do expect me to accept that its not?
because that doesn't make any sense when there is only one source of light and you're viewing everything from one perspective in real time.
There is one source of light, and one thing turns to the left, and another turns to the right - at the same time.
You're actually suggesting that space dust is disappearing and then other space dust is appearing in the exact same spot with a different trajectory, at the exact same time as the other dust disappears? dude that makes no sense at all.
How does that not make sense? There is a fixed light source, the sun. The sun was coming over the earth horizon, which is why everything lit up all of a sudden at the start. Thus, it's perfectly reasonable to assume certain parts of the background were illuminated, while other parts were blocked by the Earth. So when a dust particle passes behind the Earth's shadow it disappears, when ones comes out of the Earth's shadow, it appears. And there's a lot of dust and debris in space, A LOT, it's not unreasonable to think a few may have crossed paths just as they were entering/exiting the Earth's shadow.
Also, it's not one perspective. Your perspective is constantly changing because you're orbiting the earth at a ridiculous fast speed.
edit: And I'm saying that the video is real, but the interpretation that it's irregular movement is bogus.
On July 16 2010 14:26 travis wrote: Myles: no, that wouldn't explain it at all. did you even watch the video? look at the trajectories. hell, the objects are moving different directions at the same time. some of them even reverse direction. explain how light could account for one object turning right and another object turning left at the same time. one object even reverses direction (while others go straight, and others turn).
stealth: i've skimmed through that thread before. it doesn't debunk anything, and certainly doesn't address the video i posted. it has some neat discussion though.
man, how do people so easily dismiss this shit. have u guys not seen videos of debris in space before? it doesn't move like that...
Whatever man. I've watched all the videos, and that one is by far the least impressive. You're perspective is changing the whole time and the space dust is all moving in different directions, which which is why some things appear to curve left or right. It's nearly impossible to say an object changing direction is in fact the same object the entire time because its poor quality, it could easily be two objects entering/exiting the light. If you can't accept that this is a possibility why do expect me to accept that its not?
because that doesn't make any sense when there is only one source of light and you're viewing everything from one perspective in real time.
There is one source of light, and one thing turns to the left, and another turns to the right - at the same time.
You're actually suggesting that space dust is disappearing and then other space dust is appearing in the exact same spot with a different trajectory, at the exact same time as the other dust disappears? dude that makes no sense at all.
How does that not make sense? There is a fixed light source, the sun. The sun was coming over the earth horizon, which is why everything lit up all of a sudden at the start. Thus, it's perfectly reasonable to assume certain parts of the background were illuminated, while other parts were blocked by the earth. So when a dust particle passes behind the earths shadow it disappears, when ones comes out of the Earth's shadow, it appears. And there's a lot of dust and debris in space, A LOT, it's not unreasonable to think a few may have crossed paths just as they were entering/exiting the Earth's shadow.
dude if this was debris that was big enough to be moving in and out of the earth's shadow and be tracked by a camera it would blow up the shuttle to have that much debris flying around with different trajectories.
you can watch the longer video the guy posted, it first shows the trails, and then shows the actual footage of the objects moving within the trails. you can see that the objects aren't coming in and out of the picture, you can see that in each trail is one object being tracked the whole time
if you still disagree with that then whatever, but your explanation definitely still doesn't make sense to me
On July 16 2010 14:26 travis wrote: Myles: no, that wouldn't explain it at all. did you even watch the video? look at the trajectories. hell, the objects are moving different directions at the same time. some of them even reverse direction. explain how light could account for one object turning right and another object turning left at the same time. one object even reverses direction (while others go straight, and others turn).
stealth: i've skimmed through that thread before. it doesn't debunk anything, and certainly doesn't address the video i posted. it has some neat discussion though.
man, how do people so easily dismiss this shit. have u guys not seen videos of debris in space before? it doesn't move like that...
Whatever man. I've watched all the videos, and that one is by far the least impressive. You're perspective is changing the whole time and the space dust is all moving in different directions, which which is why some things appear to curve left or right. It's nearly impossible to say an object changing direction is in fact the same object the entire time because its poor quality, it could easily be two objects entering/exiting the light. If you can't accept that this is a possibility why do expect me to accept that its not?
because that doesn't make any sense when there is only one source of light and you're viewing everything from one perspective in real time.
There is one source of light, and one thing turns to the left, and another turns to the right - at the same time.
You're actually suggesting that space dust is disappearing and then other space dust is appearing in the exact same spot with a different trajectory, at the exact same time as the other dust disappears? dude that makes no sense at all.
How does that not make sense? There is a fixed light source, the sun. The sun was coming over the earth horizon, which is why everything lit up all of a sudden at the start. Thus, it's perfectly reasonable to assume certain parts of the background were illuminated, while other parts were blocked by the earth. So when a dust particle passes behind the earths shadow it disappears, when ones comes out of the Earth's shadow, it appears. And there's a lot of dust and debris in space, A LOT, it's not unreasonable to think a few may have crossed paths just as they were entering/exiting the Earth's shadow.
dude if this was debris that was big enough to be moving in and out of the earth's shadow and be tracked by a camera it would blow up the shuttle to have that much debris flying around with different trajectories.
you can watch the longer video the guy posted, it first shows the trails, and then shows the actual footage of the objects moving within the trails. you can see that the objects aren't coming in and out of the picture, you can see that in each trail is one object being tracked the whole time
if you still disagree with that then whatever, but your explanation definitely still doesn't make sense to me
And I'm baffled that you don't seem to understand how it's very possible. The video is too poor quality to follow an object and be certain its the same object the entire time. The fact that you even argue that its clear enough to track everything flawlessly is ridiculous.
And since the other link said the lens was out of focus, its very possible it was very small particles being illuminated by the sun. They don't have to be extremely large to become visible in direct sunlight.
Also, if they are very small particles, wouldn't they be very damn close to the lense to be seen that big? In this case, a small change in perspective or just a simple collision (with the transparent substance that protect the lense) could explain the change in trajectory. I can bet the space station get hit by stuff like that billions of times a day. What do you think about this "collision" idea?
Not sure about anything I'm saying, but I am 99.99% sure those are just ice debris.
I'm calling bullshit until I see some better footage ;> That really does seem like grainy cellphone camera to me *shrug*. I mean I'd like to believe there's something insanely cool about this, but something tells me it's either just a natural phenomenon or something someone somewhere somehow put together, and made a cool lightshow. Let it be said I only watched the 2 vids, so I've not read up on this 'incident', but.. yeah. HF ufo fanatics! ;D
travis, have you ever heard of occam's razor? or the burden of proof?
you seem content to dismiss rational explanations in favor of baseless improbable explanations which support the existence of UFO's. you say you don't want to make judgment calls on simple explanations for the behavior seen in these grainy low quality videos yet you're clearly making a judgment call when you dismiss simple explanations over your elaborate ones, even though neither explanation has any base to it. ("space dust? until you come up with a better theory it is far more likely there are multiple kilometer long translucent ufo's slowly hovering past our space tether and then not doing anything with it") claiming to be open-minded to alternate explanations and actually being open-minded are two very different things.
how do you explain how UFO's in the 70's looked retro and ugly, and UFO's became significantly more realistic and high tech as the decades passed? example:
On July 16 2010 16:02 opsayo wrote: travis, have you ever heard of occam's razor? or the burden of proof?
you seem content to dismiss rational explanations in favor of baseless improbable explanations which support the existence of UFO's.
how do you explain how UFO's in the 70's looked retro and ugly, and UFO's became significantly more realistic and high tech as the decades passed? example:
Oh come on, that's hardly fair. Well, the Occam's Razor part isn't, but I'm sure there were much less obvious fakes taken even 50 years ago.
it's just really convenient that as human technology, understanding of science, rationality, skepticism, and film-making improves, so does the quality and believability of UFO sightings.
aliens can travel faster than the speed of light but their ship designs seem to progress with us.
Hey, the UFO's were fake 50 years ago but they're not fake anymore! Look at how realistic that looks!
edit: I'm really not going to get involved in this though, if someone thinks space debris pointed out by NASA officials is less plausible than automated AI probes sent millions of years across space to float in our atmosphere and then disappear, that doesn't affect me. someone said that there's no high tech civilization within light years from us (which is true) and travis claimed that because we haven't explored the ocean floor or under the moon's surface that we can't make that claim. i don't even know how you respond to someone who makes statements like that.
There's always going to be fakes and of course they'll get better over time. But you try to weed them out and find them small percentage that seem the most legitimate and don't have any rational explanation.
believing that UFO's travel across the universe to let us stare at them blurrily for 30 seconds and be unsure if they're real or not is an egocentrism just one degree below believing that we're the greatest life form in the universe, or that a god made us in his image and we're the only creatures in existence which ever were and ever will be.
we're not special, we're a little speck in a giant universe, and once people realize how insignificant we are, the faster we can realize how ludicrous it is to believe that so many extremely intelligent life forms travel millions upon millions of miles to visit us and not do anything. another thing i thought was funny was that travis said you can't trust explanations of videos in youtube comments, but clearly we can trust the legitimacy of the videos uploaded by youtube users.
Here, I found a nice UFO video.
This video is even more convincing than the one posted previously, because multiple UFO (possibly alien spaceships) all change direction at the same time!
I 100% think that there is another planet out there with creatures and whatnot, but those images are just a little too much in my opinion. I would rather see videos... what's with the pictures?
If you dont want to read it, it basically talks about an expert "ballistics" guy who looked at the video etc and said it looks like a ballistic missile was launched heading toward the gobi desert.
First off though, why would China launch a missile that would go over an airport that shut down air traffic, effing up their economy (losing money) and shoot it toward the gobi desert? wouldnt russian satellites/air traffic see this projectile coming toward them from china and freak out?
Travis, that high contrast edited video doesn't lead me to believe space ships. Just looks like more gravitational or magnetic movements of objects. Like someone else said, the perspective is impossible to understand as well. Probably no way of knowing for sure how far, how fast, or how big any of these objects are.
Most of the curved trajectories just look like shit curving around other larger objects or the earth itself. The specific more erractic ones look like a magnetic or very fast gravitational shift. If you've ever played any gravitational based games (I know this is not the best example) like osmos or something. You will see just how strange some objects can behave and you'll be like what? that doesn't even make sense.
I don't confirm or deny any existence of aliens or unknown space craft. but this crappy footage is probably the least convincing thing I've ever seen. and somewhat offtopic, even if it were not just natural. Who says that it can't be top secret shit. I don't like how people automatically assume aliens.
On July 21 2010 08:20 brandonc wrote: cnn is talking about it, kinda an update?
If you dont want to read it, it basically talks about an expert "ballistics" guy who looked at the video etc and said it looks like a ballistic missile was launched heading toward the gobi desert.
Wait what? The link to the atlantic I posted a while ago -also- has the same expert commenting on the footage, only in that story he says it's a resupply flight to the international space station :o
The Atlantic: "Unfortunately, this video is not from Hangzhou but from Kazakhstan and was taken on June 30th and shows a Progress M launch from the Baikonur," Forden said. The rocket seen here, in other words, was a routine launch to resupply the International Space Station. "It looks so strange because the upper stages have already left the earths atmosphere and the plume has expanded to many kilometers. It's very unusual to see this from the Earth's surface (and very interesting since it shows the transition from one stage to another) but it is not a black-ops rocket at all."
CNN: "It seems to me that a DF-21 (missile) launch somewhere near Jiuquan and aimed at a point somewhere in the eastern Gobi desert is the most likely cause of this 'UFO'", Forden wrote.
On July 21 2010 08:46 CharlieMurphy wrote: Travis, that high contrast edited video doesn't lead me to believe space ships. Just looks like more gravitational or magnetic movements of objects. Like someone else said, the perspective is impossible to understand as well. Probably no way of knowing for sure how far, how fast, or how big any of these objects are.
Most of the curved trajectories just look like shit curving around other larger objects or the earth itself. The specific more erractic ones look like a magnetic or very fast gravitational shift. If you've ever played any gravitational based games (I know this is not the best example) like osmos or something. You will see just how strange some objects can behave and you'll be like what? that doesn't even make sense.
I don't confirm or deny any existence of aliens or unknown space craft. but this crappy footage is probably the least convincing thing I've ever seen. and somewhat offtopic, even if it were not just natural. Who says that it can't be top secret shit. I don't like how people automatically assume aliens.
Charlie, thanks for bringing this back 10 years later. It was annoying enough the first time.
Nowhere in my post did I mention space ships. And your explanation of them curving around objects makes no sense. What objects are they curving around, exactly? Would they not be shown by the camera?
Actually, forget it. Reply if you want to but I am not going to continue this discussion, it's just annoying.
P.S: You might want to look up what "UFO" actually means since apparently you don't understand the term.
So what are you trying to argue? That there are UFOs? Of course there are thousands of unidentified and weird things in the sky/space that we do not understand. Just because they curve one way or another doesn't imply unnatural control (human, alien, robot, or otherwise).
Most of the objects in that video curve in a gradual arc, assuming that the earth is in the lower half of the shot it makes sense. there is even one of the erratic ones where it goes up and wiggles around another UFO slowly continues on, and just falls back down. This makes pefect sense. it's trajectory was altered slightly enough that it lost it's escape path just barely and fell back quickly.
The only real thing in question in that video is the one where it sort of zags in a straight line to the left or right. But this again, does not mean it was controlled. There could be some unseen force acting on it. I mean not every object in the sky has to reflect sun on some shitty camera footage.
On July 15 2010 13:32 gogogadgetflow wrote: Fuck I am so scared of aliens.
Dont be, there is hostile races but most of us are good and waiting for humanity to reach a certain level of intelligence before open contact publically is made, there more aliens among you than you are aware, human genetics can be untilized to allow for alien spirit to enter your world for asignments etc.
I myself im origin of pleadian/elohim my genetics even contain the dna linked to those races, pleadians are your future and ancestory brothers they appear like humans but in a more perfected form 'higher chromozones more activate dna strands' pleadians ships that people have observed are known as beamships cause they untilized light frequecys to travel and can appear instantly in location and vanish in a flash, our ships are round, the ships you should be worried about are trianglar and long they are the zetas 'greys as you miltary come to know them' also known as esponi and the orions reptilians or more correctly draconians travel on these types of ships as well, they are the ones behind the miltary abductions both with human participates of some your miltarys but also without, your world is so lied to your all conditioned programmed and dont even realize it.
Infact the technology that we ourself have and the draconians can allow a mothership to remain in your sky undected and planes can fly through that area without even realizing anything is there this is because we are capable of changing the density vibration of our craft so that we exsist in a interdimensional state, infact the true method of abductions by the advances races is to stop time and take the soul out of the body and insert into a holographically created duplicate of the form on ship with same genetic coding blueprint then change and alter via that template then reinsert back into body the soul which then changes the coding of the blueprint of the vesel in question, i.e ones behaviour can be programmed by such methods and without any awareness of it I occuring the person is simply a robot, you all been abducted in your life more than you are aware infact everyone in planet at some point will be abducted some of you have been getting abducted for your entire life special those of you who had important destinys which threaten the infrastructure of the draconian agenda.
What humanity hasnt come to understand not all of you but your general public, is what is a body you think it is just a physical biological form made up of complex systems which support each other, that is true but those systems are created by coding within the genetic blueprint which is actually information in form of complex geometry which creates the form untilizing gravitywaves to express as a holographic representation of intelligent energy. In other words your body is a projection a image that your mind occupys and by understanding that the body is a image it can be adjusted in any way same as for instance by untilizing correct frequecys you can cancel out viral pathogens from the container.
If you are curious about us I can share alot as it is almost time for the harvest, I can tell you now expect more and more sighting over the coming years.
On July 15 2010 13:32 gogogadgetflow wrote: Fuck I am so scared of aliens.
Dont be, there is hostile races but most of us are good and waiting for humanity to reach a certain level of intelligence before open contact publically is made, there more aliens among you than you are aware, human genetics can be untilized to allow for alien spirit to enter your world for asignments etc.
I myself im origin of pleadian/elohim my genetics even contain the dna linked to those races, pleadians are your future and ancestory brothers they appear like humans but in a more perfected form 'higher chromozones more activate dna strands' pleadians ships that people have observed are known as beamships cause they untilized light frequecys to travel and can appear instantly in location and vanish in a flash, our ships are round, the ships you should be worried about are trianglar and long they are the zetas 'greys as you miltary come to know them' also known as esponi and the orions reptilians or more correctly draconians travel on these types of ships as well, they are the ones behind the miltary abductions both with human participates of some your miltarys but also without, your world is so lied to your all conditioned programmed and dont even realize it.
Infact the technology that we ourself have and the draconians can allow a mothership to remain in your sky undected and planes can fly through that area without even realizing anything is there this is because we are capable of changing the density vibration of our craft so that we exsist in a interdimensional state, infact the true method of abductions by the advances races is to stop time and take the soul out of the body and insert into a holographically created duplicate of the form on ship with same genetic coding blueprint then change and alter via that template then reinsert back into body the soul which then changes the coding of the blueprint of the vesel in question, i.e ones behaviour can be programmed by such methods and without any awareness of it I occuring the person is simply a robot, you all been abducted in your life more than you are aware infact everyone in planet at some point will be abducted some of you have been getting abducted for your entire life special those of you who had important destinys which threaten the infrastructure of the draconian agenda.
What humanity hasnt come to understand not all of you but your general public, is what is a body you think it is just a physical biological form made up of complex systems which support each other, that is true but those systems are created by coding within the genetic blueprint which is actually information in form of complex geometry which creates the form untilizing gravitywaves to express as a holographic representation of intelligent energy. In other words your body is a projection a image that your mind occupys and by understanding that the body is a image it can be adjusted in any way same as for instance by untilizing correct frequecys you can cancel out viral pathogens from the container.
If you are curious about us I can share alot as it is almost time for the harvest, I can tell you now expect more and more sighting over the coming years.
I bet they're just designing some kind of glider or something as it leaves behind a defined a trail, atleast that's my guess. Or the protoss are docking Motherships in China
On July 15 2010 13:32 gogogadgetflow wrote: Fuck I am so scared of aliens.
Dont be, there is hostile races but most of us are good and waiting for humanity to reach a certain level of intelligence before open contact publically is made, there more aliens among you than you are aware, human genetics can be untilized to allow for alien spirit to enter your world for asignments etc.
I myself im origin of pleadian/elohim my genetics even contain the dna linked to those races, pleadians are your future and ancestory brothers they appear like humans but in a more perfected form 'higher chromozones more activate dna strands' pleadians ships that people have observed are known as beamships cause they untilized light frequecys to travel and can appear instantly in location and vanish in a flash, our ships are round, the ships you should be worried about are trianglar and long they are the zetas 'greys as you miltary come to know them' also known as esponi and the orions reptilians or more correctly draconians travel on these types of ships as well, they are the ones behind the miltary abductions both with human participates of some your miltarys but also without, your world is so lied to your all conditioned programmed and dont even realize it.
Infact the technology that we ourself have and the draconians can allow a mothership to remain in your sky undected and planes can fly through that area without even realizing anything is there this is because we are capable of changing the density vibration of our craft so that we exsist in a interdimensional state, infact the true method of abductions by the advances races is to stop time and take the soul out of the body and insert into a holographically created duplicate of the form on ship with same genetic coding blueprint then change and alter via that template then reinsert back into body the soul which then changes the coding of the blueprint of the vesel in question, i.e ones behaviour can be programmed by such methods and without any awareness of it I occuring the person is simply a robot, you all been abducted in your life more than you are aware infact everyone in planet at some point will be abducted some of you have been getting abducted for your entire life special those of you who had important destinys which threaten the infrastructure of the draconian agenda.
What humanity hasnt come to understand not all of you but your general public, is what is a body you think it is just a physical biological form made up of complex systems which support each other, that is true but those systems are created by coding within the genetic blueprint which is actually information in form of complex geometry which creates the form untilizing gravitywaves to express as a holographic representation of intelligent energy. In other words your body is a projection a image that your mind occupys and by understanding that the body is a image it can be adjusted in any way same as for instance by untilizing correct frequecys you can cancel out viral pathogens from the container.
If you are curious about us I can share alot as it is almost time for the harvest, I can tell you now expect more and more sighting over the coming years.
On July 21 2010 11:03 bjornkavist wrote: I bet they're just designing some kind of glider or something as it leaves behind a defined a trail, atleast that's my guess. Or the protoss are docking Motherships in China
Your miltary has what is known as plasma ships that they obtained from reengineering crashed craft and finding extra-terrestial technology left on the earth, example of obtaining technology was roswel in which a type 3 grey craft crashed it was also then that a tready was setup between certain miltary groups and the zetas and you have on your planet some joint base facilitys with technologys your public only ever sees in your sci-fiction movies.
On July 15 2010 13:32 gogogadgetflow wrote: Fuck I am so scared of aliens.
Dont be, there is hostile races but most of us are good and waiting for humanity to reach a certain level of intelligence before open contact publically is made, there more aliens among you than you are aware, human genetics can be untilized to allow for alien spirit to enter your world for asignments etc.
I myself im origin of pleadian/elohim my genetics even contain the dna linked to those races, pleadians are your future and ancestory brothers they appear like humans but in a more perfected form 'higher chromozones more activate dna strands' pleadians ships that people have observed are known as beamships cause they untilized light frequecys to travel and can appear instantly in location and vanish in a flash, our ships are round, the ships you should be worried about are trianglar and long they are the zetas 'greys as you miltary come to know them' also known as esponi and the orions reptilians or more correctly draconians travel on these types of ships as well, they are the ones behind the miltary abductions both with human participates of some your miltarys but also without, your world is so lied to your all conditioned programmed and dont even realize it.
Infact the technology that we ourself have and the draconians can allow a mothership to remain in your sky undected and planes can fly through that area without even realizing anything is there this is because we are capable of changing the density vibration of our craft so that we exsist in a interdimensional state, infact the true method of abductions by the advances races is to stop time and take the soul out of the body and insert into a holographically created duplicate of the form on ship with same genetic coding blueprint then change and alter via that template then reinsert back into body the soul which then changes the coding of the blueprint of the vesel in question, i.e ones behaviour can be programmed by such methods and without any awareness of it I occuring the person is simply a robot, you all been abducted in your life more than you are aware infact everyone in planet at some point will be abducted some of you have been getting abducted for your entire life special those of you who had important destinys which threaten the infrastructure of the draconian agenda.
What humanity hasnt come to understand not all of you but your general public, is what is a body you think it is just a physical biological form made up of complex systems which support each other, that is true but those systems are created by coding within the genetic blueprint which is actually information in form of complex geometry which creates the form untilizing gravitywaves to express as a holographic representation of intelligent energy. In other words your body is a projection a image that your mind occupys and by understanding that the body is a image it can be adjusted in any way same as for instance by untilizing correct frequecys you can cancel out viral pathogens from the container.
If you are curious about us I can share alot as it is almost time for the harvest, I can tell you now expect more and more sighting over the coming years.
Hey Fred, can you pass a message to that Protoss chick we met at the bar last thursday? She was bangin hot but I forgot to ask her for her number before she warped out.
On July 15 2010 13:32 gogogadgetflow wrote: Fuck I am so scared of aliens.
Dont be, there is hostile races but most of us are good and waiting for humanity to reach a certain level of intelligence before open contact publically is made, there more aliens among you than you are aware, human genetics can be untilized to allow for alien spirit to enter your world for asignments etc.
I myself im origin of pleadian/elohim my genetics even contain the dna linked to those races, pleadians are your future and ancestory brothers they appear like humans but in a more perfected form 'higher chromozones more activate dna strands' pleadians ships that people have observed are known as beamships cause they untilized light frequecys to travel and can appear instantly in location and vanish in a flash, our ships are round, the ships you should be worried about are trianglar and long they are the zetas 'greys as you miltary come to know them' also known as esponi and the orions reptilians or more correctly draconians travel on these types of ships as well, they are the ones behind the miltary abductions both with human participates of some your miltarys but also without, your world is so lied to your all conditioned programmed and dont even realize it.
Infact the technology that we ourself have and the draconians can allow a mothership to remain in your sky undected and planes can fly through that area without even realizing anything is there this is because we are capable of changing the density vibration of our craft so that we exsist in a interdimensional state, infact the true method of abductions by the advances races is to stop time and take the soul out of the body and insert into a holographically created duplicate of the form on ship with same genetic coding blueprint then change and alter via that template then reinsert back into body the soul which then changes the coding of the blueprint of the vesel in question, i.e ones behaviour can be programmed by such methods and without any awareness of it I occuring the person is simply a robot, you all been abducted in your life more than you are aware infact everyone in planet at some point will be abducted some of you have been getting abducted for your entire life special those of you who had important destinys which threaten the infrastructure of the draconian agenda.
What humanity hasnt come to understand not all of you but your general public, is what is a body you think it is just a physical biological form made up of complex systems which support each other, that is true but those systems are created by coding within the genetic blueprint which is actually information in form of complex geometry which creates the form untilizing gravitywaves to express as a holographic representation of intelligent energy. In other words your body is a projection a image that your mind occupys and by understanding that the body is a image it can be adjusted in any way same as for instance by untilizing correct frequecys you can cancel out viral pathogens from the container.
If you are curious about us I can share alot as it is almost time for the harvest, I can tell you now expect more and more sighting over the coming years.
On July 15 2010 13:32 gogogadgetflow wrote: Fuck I am so scared of aliens.
Dont be, there is hostile races but most of us are good and waiting for humanity to reach a certain level of intelligence before open contact publically is made, there more aliens among you than you are aware, human genetics can be untilized to allow for alien spirit to enter your world for asignments etc.
I myself im origin of pleadian/elohim my genetics even contain the dna linked to those races, pleadians are your future and ancestory brothers they appear like humans but in a more perfected form 'higher chromozones more activate dna strands' pleadians ships that people have observed are known as beamships cause they untilized light frequecys to travel and can appear instantly in location and vanish in a flash, our ships are round, the ships you should be worried about are trianglar and long they are the zetas 'greys as you miltary come to know them' also known as esponi and the orions reptilians or more correctly draconians travel on these types of ships as well, they are the ones behind the miltary abductions both with human participates of some your miltarys but also without, your world is so lied to your all conditioned programmed and dont even realize it.
Infact the technology that we ourself have and the draconians can allow a mothership to remain in your sky undected and planes can fly through that area without even realizing anything is there this is because we are capable of changing the density vibration of our craft so that we exsist in a interdimensional state, infact the true method of abductions by the advances races is to stop time and take the soul out of the body and insert into a holographically created duplicate of the form on ship with same genetic coding blueprint then change and alter via that template then reinsert back into body the soul which then changes the coding of the blueprint of the vesel in question, i.e ones behaviour can be programmed by such methods and without any awareness of it I occuring the person is simply a robot, you all been abducted in your life more than you are aware infact everyone in planet at some point will be abducted some of you have been getting abducted for your entire life special those of you who had important destinys which threaten the infrastructure of the draconian agenda.
What humanity hasnt come to understand not all of you but your general public, is what is a body you think it is just a physical biological form made up of complex systems which support each other, that is true but those systems are created by coding within the genetic blueprint which is actually information in form of complex geometry which creates the form untilizing gravitywaves to express as a holographic representation of intelligent energy. In other words your body is a projection a image that your mind occupys and by understanding that the body is a image it can be adjusted in any way same as for instance by untilizing correct frequecys you can cancel out viral pathogens from the container.
If you are curious about us I can share alot as it is almost time for the harvest, I can tell you now expect more and more sighting over the coming years.
On July 15 2010 13:32 gogogadgetflow wrote: Fuck I am so scared of aliens.
Dont be, there is hostile races but most of us are good and waiting for humanity to reach a certain level of intelligence before open contact publically is made, there more aliens among you than you are aware, human genetics can be untilized to allow for alien spirit to enter your world for asignments etc.
I myself im origin of pleadian/elohim my genetics even contain the dna linked to those races, pleadians are your future and ancestory brothers they appear like humans but in a more perfected form 'higher chromozones more activate dna strands' pleadians ships that people have observed are known as beamships cause they untilized light frequecys to travel and can appear instantly in location and vanish in a flash, our ships are round, the ships you should be worried about are trianglar and long they are the zetas 'greys as you miltary come to know them' also known as esponi and the orions reptilians or more correctly draconians travel on these types of ships as well, they are the ones behind the miltary abductions both with human participates of some your miltarys but also without, your world is so lied to your all conditioned programmed and dont even realize it.
Infact the technology that we ourself have and the draconians can allow a mothership to remain in your sky undected and planes can fly through that area without even realizing anything is there this is because we are capable of changing the density vibration of our craft so that we exsist in a interdimensional state, infact the true method of abductions by the advances races is to stop time and take the soul out of the body and insert into a holographically created duplicate of the form on ship with same genetic coding blueprint then change and alter via that template then reinsert back into body the soul which then changes the coding of the blueprint of the vesel in question, i.e ones behaviour can be programmed by such methods and without any awareness of it I occuring the person is simply a robot, you all been abducted in your life more than you are aware infact everyone in planet at some point will be abducted some of you have been getting abducted for your entire life special those of you who had important destinys which threaten the infrastructure of the draconian agenda.
What humanity hasnt come to understand not all of you but your general public, is what is a body you think it is just a physical biological form made up of complex systems which support each other, that is true but those systems are created by coding within the genetic blueprint which is actually information in form of complex geometry which creates the form untilizing gravitywaves to express as a holographic representation of intelligent energy. In other words your body is a projection a image that your mind occupys and by understanding that the body is a image it can be adjusted in any way same as for instance by untilizing correct frequecys you can cancel out viral pathogens from the container.
If you are curious about us I can share alot as it is almost time for the harvest, I can tell you now expect more and more sighting over the coming years.
From our perspective one who is retarded in context of your vocal representation of it 'how you define is' is one who doesnt investigate before judging hence remains ignorant and to put it bluntly 'Stupid'.
On July 15 2010 13:32 gogogadgetflow wrote: Fuck I am so scared of aliens.
Dont be, there is hostile races but most of us are good and waiting for humanity to reach a certain level of intelligence before open contact publically is made, there more aliens among you than you are aware, human genetics can be untilized to allow for alien spirit to enter your world for asignments etc.
I myself im origin of pleadian/elohim my genetics even contain the dna linked to those races, pleadians are your future and ancestory brothers they appear like humans but in a more perfected form 'higher chromozones more activate dna strands' pleadians ships that people have observed are known as beamships cause they untilized light frequecys to travel and can appear instantly in location and vanish in a flash, our ships are round, the ships you should be worried about are trianglar and long they are the zetas 'greys as you miltary come to know them' also known as esponi and the orions reptilians or more correctly draconians travel on these types of ships as well, they are the ones behind the miltary abductions both with human participates of some your miltarys but also without, your world is so lied to your all conditioned programmed and dont even realize it.
Infact the technology that we ourself have and the draconians can allow a mothership to remain in your sky undected and planes can fly through that area without even realizing anything is there this is because we are capable of changing the density vibration of our craft so that we exsist in a interdimensional state, infact the true method of abductions by the advances races is to stop time and take the soul out of the body and insert into a holographically created duplicate of the form on ship with same genetic coding blueprint then change and alter via that template then reinsert back into body the soul which then changes the coding of the blueprint of the vesel in question, i.e ones behaviour can be programmed by such methods and without any awareness of it I occuring the person is simply a robot, you all been abducted in your life more than you are aware infact everyone in planet at some point will be abducted some of you have been getting abducted for your entire life special those of you who had important destinys which threaten the infrastructure of the draconian agenda.
What humanity hasnt come to understand not all of you but your general public, is what is a body you think it is just a physical biological form made up of complex systems which support each other, that is true but those systems are created by coding within the genetic blueprint which is actually information in form of complex geometry which creates the form untilizing gravitywaves to express as a holographic representation of intelligent energy. In other words your body is a projection a image that your mind occupys and by understanding that the body is a image it can be adjusted in any way same as for instance by untilizing correct frequecys you can cancel out viral pathogens from the container.
If you are curious about us I can share alot as it is almost time for the harvest, I can tell you now expect more and more sighting over the coming years.
On July 15 2010 13:32 gogogadgetflow wrote: Fuck I am so scared of aliens.
Dont be, there is hostile races but most of us are good and waiting for humanity to reach a certain level of intelligence before open contact publically is made, there more aliens among you than you are aware, human genetics can be untilized to allow for alien spirit to enter your world for asignments etc.
I myself im origin of pleadian/elohim my genetics even contain the dna linked to those races, pleadians are your future and ancestory brothers they appear like humans but in a more perfected form 'higher chromozones more activate dna strands' pleadians ships that people have observed are known as beamships cause they untilized light frequecys to travel and can appear instantly in location and vanish in a flash, our ships are round, the ships you should be worried about are trianglar and long they are the zetas 'greys as you miltary come to know them' also known as esponi and the orions reptilians or more correctly draconians travel on these types of ships as well, they are the ones behind the miltary abductions both with human participates of some your miltarys but also without, your world is so lied to your all conditioned programmed and dont even realize it.
Infact the technology that we ourself have and the draconians can allow a mothership to remain in your sky undected and planes can fly through that area without even realizing anything is there this is because we are capable of changing the density vibration of our craft so that we exsist in a interdimensional state, infact the true method of abductions by the advances races is to stop time and take the soul out of the body and insert into a holographically created duplicate of the form on ship with same genetic coding blueprint then change and alter via that template then reinsert back into body the soul which then changes the coding of the blueprint of the vesel in question, i.e ones behaviour can be programmed by such methods and without any awareness of it I occuring the person is simply a robot, you all been abducted in your life more than you are aware infact everyone in planet at some point will be abducted some of you have been getting abducted for your entire life special those of you who had important destinys which threaten the infrastructure of the draconian agenda.
What humanity hasnt come to understand not all of you but your general public, is what is a body you think it is just a physical biological form made up of complex systems which support each other, that is true but those systems are created by coding within the genetic blueprint which is actually information in form of complex geometry which creates the form untilizing gravitywaves to express as a holographic representation of intelligent energy. In other words your body is a projection a image that your mind occupys and by understanding that the body is a image it can be adjusted in any way same as for instance by untilizing correct frequecys you can cancel out viral pathogens from the container.
If you are curious about us I can share alot as it is almost time for the harvest, I can tell you now expect more and more sighting over the coming years.
From our perspective one who is retarded in context of your vocal representation of it 'how you define is' is one who doesnt investigate before judging hence remains ignorant and to put it bluntly 'Stupid'.
Your grammar and spelling really makes your pseudo-intellectual attempts fail.
On July 15 2010 13:32 gogogadgetflow wrote: Fuck I am so scared of aliens.
Dont be, there is hostile races but most of us are good and waiting for humanity to reach a certain level of intelligence before open contact publically is made, there more aliens among you than you are aware, human genetics can be untilized to allow for alien spirit to enter your world for asignments etc.
I myself im origin of pleadian/elohim my genetics even contain the dna linked to those races, pleadians are your future and ancestory brothers they appear like humans but in a more perfected form 'higher chromozones more activate dna strands' pleadians ships that people have observed are known as beamships cause they untilized light frequecys to travel and can appear instantly in location and vanish in a flash, our ships are round, the ships you should be worried about are trianglar and long they are the zetas 'greys as you miltary come to know them' also known as esponi and the orions reptilians or more correctly draconians travel on these types of ships as well, they are the ones behind the miltary abductions both with human participates of some your miltarys but also without, your world is so lied to your all conditioned programmed and dont even realize it.
Infact the technology that we ourself have and the draconians can allow a mothership to remain in your sky undected and planes can fly through that area without even realizing anything is there this is because we are capable of changing the density vibration of our craft so that we exsist in a interdimensional state, infact the true method of abductions by the advances races is to stop time and take the soul out of the body and insert into a holographically created duplicate of the form on ship with same genetic coding blueprint then change and alter via that template then reinsert back into body the soul which then changes the coding of the blueprint of the vesel in question, i.e ones behaviour can be programmed by such methods and without any awareness of it I occuring the person is simply a robot, you all been abducted in your life more than you are aware infact everyone in planet at some point will be abducted some of you have been getting abducted for your entire life special those of you who had important destinys which threaten the infrastructure of the draconian agenda.
What humanity hasnt come to understand not all of you but your general public, is what is a body you think it is just a physical biological form made up of complex systems which support each other, that is true but those systems are created by coding within the genetic blueprint which is actually information in form of complex geometry which creates the form untilizing gravitywaves to express as a holographic representation of intelligent energy. In other words your body is a projection a image that your mind occupys and by understanding that the body is a image it can be adjusted in any way same as for instance by untilizing correct frequecys you can cancel out viral pathogens from the container.
If you are curious about us I can share alot as it is almost time for the harvest, I can tell you now expect more and more sighting over the coming years.
That's very interesting, please tell us more.
What would you like to know?
How can one follow the path of enlightenment as you have?
On July 15 2010 13:32 gogogadgetflow wrote: Fuck I am so scared of aliens.
Dont be, there is hostile races but most of us are good and waiting for humanity to reach a certain level of intelligence before open contact publically is made, there more aliens among you than you are aware, human genetics can be untilized to allow for alien spirit to enter your world for asignments etc.
I myself im origin of pleadian/elohim my genetics even contain the dna linked to those races, pleadians are your future and ancestory brothers they appear like humans but in a more perfected form 'higher chromozones more activate dna strands' pleadians ships that people have observed are known as beamships cause they untilized light frequecys to travel and can appear instantly in location and vanish in a flash, our ships are round, the ships you should be worried about are trianglar and long they are the zetas 'greys as you miltary come to know them' also known as esponi and the orions reptilians or more correctly draconians travel on these types of ships as well, they are the ones behind the miltary abductions both with human participates of some your miltarys but also without, your world is so lied to your all conditioned programmed and dont even realize it.
Infact the technology that we ourself have and the draconians can allow a mothership to remain in your sky undected and planes can fly through that area without even realizing anything is there this is because we are capable of changing the density vibration of our craft so that we exsist in a interdimensional state, infact the true method of abductions by the advances races is to stop time and take the soul out of the body and insert into a holographically created duplicate of the form on ship with same genetic coding blueprint then change and alter via that template then reinsert back into body the soul which then changes the coding of the blueprint of the vesel in question, i.e ones behaviour can be programmed by such methods and without any awareness of it I occuring the person is simply a robot, you all been abducted in your life more than you are aware infact everyone in planet at some point will be abducted some of you have been getting abducted for your entire life special those of you who had important destinys which threaten the infrastructure of the draconian agenda.
What humanity hasnt come to understand not all of you but your general public, is what is a body you think it is just a physical biological form made up of complex systems which support each other, that is true but those systems are created by coding within the genetic blueprint which is actually information in form of complex geometry which creates the form untilizing gravitywaves to express as a holographic representation of intelligent energy. In other words your body is a projection a image that your mind occupys and by understanding that the body is a image it can be adjusted in any way same as for instance by untilizing correct frequecys you can cancel out viral pathogens from the container.
If you are curious about us I can share alot as it is almost time for the harvest, I can tell you now expect more and more sighting over the coming years.
From our perspective one who is retarded in context of your vocal representation of it 'how you define is' is one who doesnt investigate before judging hence remains ignorant and to put it bluntly 'Stupid'.
Your grammar and spelling really makes your pseudo-intellectual attempts fail.
perhaps your chosen name is a reflection of your state of mind... You presume grammar and spelling has any true important in context of universal design, from our perception it is actually a hinderance to humanitys communication abilitys.
On July 15 2010 13:32 gogogadgetflow wrote: Fuck I am so scared of aliens.
Dont be, there is hostile races but most of us are good and waiting for humanity to reach a certain level of intelligence before open contact publically is made, there more aliens among you than you are aware, human genetics can be untilized to allow for alien spirit to enter your world for asignments etc.
I myself im origin of pleadian/elohim my genetics even contain the dna linked to those races, pleadians are your future and ancestory brothers they appear like humans but in a more perfected form 'higher chromozones more activate dna strands' pleadians ships that people have observed are known as beamships cause they untilized light frequecys to travel and can appear instantly in location and vanish in a flash, our ships are round, the ships you should be worried about are trianglar and long they are the zetas 'greys as you miltary come to know them' also known as esponi and the orions reptilians or more correctly draconians travel on these types of ships as well, they are the ones behind the miltary abductions both with human participates of some your miltarys but also without, your world is so lied to your all conditioned programmed and dont even realize it.
Infact the technology that we ourself have and the draconians can allow a mothership to remain in your sky undected and planes can fly through that area without even realizing anything is there this is because we are capable of changing the density vibration of our craft so that we exsist in a interdimensional state, infact the true method of abductions by the advances races is to stop time and take the soul out of the body and insert into a holographically created duplicate of the form on ship with same genetic coding blueprint then change and alter via that template then reinsert back into body the soul which then changes the coding of the blueprint of the vesel in question, i.e ones behaviour can be programmed by such methods and without any awareness of it I occuring the person is simply a robot, you all been abducted in your life more than you are aware infact everyone in planet at some point will be abducted some of you have been getting abducted for your entire life special those of you who had important destinys which threaten the infrastructure of the draconian agenda.
What humanity hasnt come to understand not all of you but your general public, is what is a body you think it is just a physical biological form made up of complex systems which support each other, that is true but those systems are created by coding within the genetic blueprint which is actually information in form of complex geometry which creates the form untilizing gravitywaves to express as a holographic representation of intelligent energy. In other words your body is a projection a image that your mind occupys and by understanding that the body is a image it can be adjusted in any way same as for instance by untilizing correct frequecys you can cancel out viral pathogens from the container.
If you are curious about us I can share alot as it is almost time for the harvest, I can tell you now expect more and more sighting over the coming years.
That's very interesting, please tell us more.
What would you like to know?
How can one follow the path of enlightenment as you have?
Path to enlightenment as you call it is not a set path but rather a flow of learning one aquires as one Questions. So to begin to grow your tree one must first plant the seeds, so we are telling you it all begins with a Question.
On July 21 2010 11:42 Hydrolisko wrote: Blizzard's publicity stunt to promote sc2 in China. That's supposed to be a command center about to land.
What about events in france and others events such as the spiral in norway? I do know what both events are the spiral was not ufos as you would call it a spacecraft, that was more to do with effect cosmic dust had on the ions.
That's why I say: focus on building giant rayguns and THEN start exploring space.
haha not really, either way it's pretty fun at how regularly those sightings apear, in diferent shapes and colors but in the end it's always the same UFO UFO shishishit thingy for some weeks... then it dies out... and eventually it begins again.
In the end, I like alien theorys, but they offer to many holes... I mean, let's assume this is actually a machine from space... Why can we see it just now? It HAD to come from somewhere and avoided all detections until this point in time. Why is it suddenly observable? Did it broke down? Does he need to turn off some engines to rapt cows? nice science fiction plots but I cannot seriously beleive it happened. The most convincing reason (for me at least) is that I can see it because it allowed itself to be observable. Now again, why? to establish contact most sure, now is it the best way? I mean, poping out from the blue out of nothing and fly over citys seems not so adecuate for first contact and unfitting of super advanced alien dudes.
I guess my point is that UFOs, besides all the space travel associated with them seem to have a rather odd way of acting... I'm going with the military ship on this one
In the end, I like alien theorys, but they offer to many holes... I mean, let's assume this is actually a machine from space... Why can we see it just now? It HAD to come from somewhere and avoided all detections until this point in time. Why is it suddenly observable? Did it broke down? Does he need to turn off some engines to rapt cows? nice science fiction plots but I cannot seriously beleive it happened. The most convincing reason (for me at least) is that I can see it because it allowed itself to be observable. Now again, why? to establish contact most sure, now is it the best way? I mean, poping out from the blue out of nothing and fly over citys seems not so adecuate for first contact and unfitting of super advanced alien dudes.
On July 15 2010 13:32 gogogadgetflow wrote: Fuck I am so scared of aliens.
Dont be, there is hostile races but most of us are good and waiting for humanity to reach a certain level of intelligence before open contact publically is made, there more aliens among you than you are aware, human genetics can be untilized to allow for alien spirit to enter your world for asignments etc.
I myself im origin of pleadian/elohim my genetics even contain the dna linked to those races, pleadians are your future and ancestory brothers they appear like humans but in a more perfected form 'higher chromozones more activate dna strands' pleadians ships that people have observed are known as beamships cause they untilized light frequecys to travel and can appear instantly in location and vanish in a flash, our ships are round, the ships you should be worried about are trianglar and long they are the zetas 'greys as you miltary come to know them' also known as esponi and the orions reptilians or more correctly draconians travel on these types of ships as well, they are the ones behind the miltary abductions both with human participates of some your miltarys but also without, your world is so lied to your all conditioned programmed and dont even realize it.
Infact the technology that we ourself have and the draconians can allow a mothership to remain in your sky undected and planes can fly through that area without even realizing anything is there this is because we are capable of changing the density vibration of our craft so that we exsist in a interdimensional state, infact the true method of abductions by the advances races is to stop time and take the soul out of the body and insert into a holographically created duplicate of the form on ship with same genetic coding blueprint then change and alter via that template then reinsert back into body the soul which then changes the coding of the blueprint of the vesel in question, i.e ones behaviour can be programmed by such methods and without any awareness of it I occuring the person is simply a robot, you all been abducted in your life more than you are aware infact everyone in planet at some point will be abducted some of you have been getting abducted for your entire life special those of you who had important destinys which threaten the infrastructure of the draconian agenda.
What humanity hasnt come to understand not all of you but your general public, is what is a body you think it is just a physical biological form made up of complex systems which support each other, that is true but those systems are created by coding within the genetic blueprint which is actually information in form of complex geometry which creates the form untilizing gravitywaves to express as a holographic representation of intelligent energy. In other words your body is a projection a image that your mind occupys and by understanding that the body is a image it can be adjusted in any way same as for instance by untilizing correct frequecys you can cancel out viral pathogens from the container.
If you are curious about us I can share alot as it is almost time for the harvest, I can tell you now expect more and more sighting over the coming years.
That's very interesting, please tell us more.
What would you like to know?
How can one follow the path of enlightenment as you have?
Path to enlightenment as you call it is not a set path but rather a flow of learning one aquires as one Questions. So to begin to grow your tree one must first plant the seeds, so we are telling you it all begins with a Question.
Blizzard will be happy to hear that even extraterrestrials are purchasing SC2 preorders.
On July 15 2010 13:32 gogogadgetflow wrote: Fuck I am so scared of aliens.
Dont be, there is hostile races but most of us are good and waiting for humanity to reach a certain level of intelligence before open contact publically is made, there more aliens among you than you are aware, human genetics can be untilized to allow for alien spirit to enter your world for asignments etc.
I myself im origin of pleadian/elohim my genetics even contain the dna linked to those races, pleadians are your future and ancestory brothers they appear like humans but in a more perfected form 'higher chromozones more activate dna strands' pleadians ships that people have observed are known as beamships cause they untilized light frequecys to travel and can appear instantly in location and vanish in a flash, our ships are round, the ships you should be worried about are trianglar and long they are the zetas 'greys as you miltary come to know them' also known as esponi and the orions reptilians or more correctly draconians travel on these types of ships as well, they are the ones behind the miltary abductions both with human participates of some your miltarys but also without, your world is so lied to your all conditioned programmed and dont even realize it.
Infact the technology that we ourself have and the draconians can allow a mothership to remain in your sky undected and planes can fly through that area without even realizing anything is there this is because we are capable of changing the density vibration of our craft so that we exsist in a interdimensional state, infact the true method of abductions by the advances races is to stop time and take the soul out of the body and insert into a holographically created duplicate of the form on ship with same genetic coding blueprint then change and alter via that template then reinsert back into body the soul which then changes the coding of the blueprint of the vesel in question, i.e ones behaviour can be programmed by such methods and without any awareness of it I occuring the person is simply a robot, you all been abducted in your life more than you are aware infact everyone in planet at some point will be abducted some of you have been getting abducted for your entire life special those of you who had important destinys which threaten the infrastructure of the draconian agenda.
What humanity hasnt come to understand not all of you but your general public, is what is a body you think it is just a physical biological form made up of complex systems which support each other, that is true but those systems are created by coding within the genetic blueprint which is actually information in form of complex geometry which creates the form untilizing gravitywaves to express as a holographic representation of intelligent energy. In other words your body is a projection a image that your mind occupys and by understanding that the body is a image it can be adjusted in any way same as for instance by untilizing correct frequecys you can cancel out viral pathogens from the container.
If you are curious about us I can share alot as it is almost time for the harvest, I can tell you now expect more and more sighting over the coming years.
That's very interesting, please tell us more.
What would you like to know?
How can one follow the path of enlightenment as you have?
Path to enlightenment as you call it is not a set path but rather a flow of learning one aquires as one Questions. So to begin to grow your tree one must first plant the seeds, so we are telling you it all begins with a Question.
Blizzard will be happy to hear that even extraterrestrials are purchasing SC2 preorders.
Question you should ask is humanity really a resident of the earth, or a vistor...
Yes ballistic missles are disk shaped and have beams shining down vertically, if you look at the specific photos the person is talking about you would realize how stupid that claim is in respect to those photos, how what was a missle was the norway event the spiral but that was also a sign of coming dangers you are not even told about 'cosmic dust' cause the effect due to the ions but ask what the cosmic dust is and came from.
Yes ballistic missles are disk shaped and have beams shining down vertically, if you look at the specific photos the person is talking about you would realize how stupid that claim is in respect to those photos, how what was a missle was the norway event the spiral but that was also a sign of coming dangers you are not even told about 'cosmic dust' cause the effect due to the ions but ask what the cosmic dust is and came from.
Are you a follower or believer of David Icke per chance?
anything strange in the air space of superpowers like china, usa, russia will have jets on its ass in a matter of minutes. if there were not any spotted then it most likely something the government is messing with or insignificant crap
if there is one thing learned on the internet, it is that no one will ever take you seriously if your theories are littered with grammatical and spelling errors. And if you can't fix them on your own, then you are retarded and so are your theories.
On July 21 2010 12:51 CharlieMurphy wrote: if there is one thing learned on the internet, it is that no one will ever take you seriously if your theories are littered with grammatical and spelling errors. And if you can't fix them on your own, then you are retarded and so are your theories.
if there is one thing to learn about things in life is grammar and spelling is irrelevant everywhere except professional papers and things of that nature. very few people in the world communicate with perfect usage of whatever language they know. as long as someone is able to understand the message it is sufficient. however some people feel the need to display whatever little skill they have in life to put down others to feel better about themselves. or maybe once you hit a certain amount of post on certain forums your e-penis just grows and feel like everyone should do as they say. that does seem to the be trend of most forumers other than mods that has a ridicolously high post count. have a nice day and put your grammar crusade flag to rest because most people do not care for your dickish attitude
since you like to call people retarded for grammatical and spelling errors, i encourage you to learn a second language. let me know how perfect your grammar and spelling is then on forums of whatever language you choose to learn.
Yes ballistic missles are disk shaped and have beams shining down vertically, if you look at the specific photos the person is talking about you would realize how stupid that claim is in respect to those photos, how what was a missle was the norway event the spiral but that was also a sign of coming dangers you are not even told about 'cosmic dust' cause the effect due to the ions but ask what the cosmic dust is and came from.
Are you a follower or believer of David Icke per chance?
No he knows some things but does not know much about us, reptilians as he knows it are a enermy of mine that strenches back millions of years as humans percieve time.
On July 21 2010 12:51 CharlieMurphy wrote: if there is one thing learned on the internet, it is that no one will ever take you seriously if your theories are littered with grammatical and spelling errors. And if you can't fix them on your own, then you are retarded and so are your theories.
if there is one thing to learn about things in life is grammar and spelling is irrelevant everywhere except professional papers and things of that nature. very few people in the world communicate with perfect usage of whatever language they know. as long as someone is able to understand the message it is sufficient. however some people feel the need to display whatever little skill they have in life to put down others to feel better about themselves. or maybe once you hit a certain amount of post on certain forums your e-penis just grows and feel like everyone should do as they say. that does seem to the be trend of most forumers other than mods that has a ridicolously high post count. have a nice day and put your grammar crusade flag to rest because most people do not care for your dickish attitude
since you like to call people retarded for grammatical and spelling errors, i encourage you to learn a second language. let me know how perfect your grammar and spelling is then on forums of whatever language you choose to learn.
Good, gramar and spelling and punchuation are irrelevant yes, do you know those systems where designed to limit human communication and to shutdown parts of your brain that aloud a more psychic form of communition, it is part of the human condition reason people act as you presented they are conditioned to care about irrelevant things to keep there minds busy while those in power control things for them.
Just as public is told not to care about certain topics, hence truth remains hidden when there is no seeker. Humanity as public precieve reality right now is biggest lie being told you have gone backwards as your technology developed because your technology is used to hynotise you we can explain how this occurs and the connection to your drinks and food if like because this world you all occupy is much much more than you are told it is.
It was later identified as debris from an intercontinental missile launched by the US, Song Huagang, secretary general of the Xinjiang Astronomy Society said.
Is this confirmed to be the UFO in question for this thread? Based on the description I would say this video is accurate, but there are tons of pictures floating around (including the beginning of this thread) showing a different UFO that's shining light on the ground. These are obviously two separate things.
I ask because a news web page (yahoo or something) ran a story recently that said scientists analyzed the footage and concluded it appears to be a missile. Funny thing is, the story had the picture of the shining light UFO attached, which is very obviously not a missile. Made the scientists look like it's some huge cover up "Oh it's just a missile!" on this crazy light show UFO, when really I think the news story used the wrong picture. No wonder there are so many conspiracy theories when such erroneous information is spread around.
i've seen so many ufo vids and this one just looks like a normal craft flying over airspace. perhaps its just some military craft that had some miscommunication and flew over the airport.
They said it had military connections. Either China is working with aliens or that's just a new aircraft. I hope that it's not the first option... Or the second one.
On July 22 2010 22:57 JMave wrote: i've seen so many ufo vids and this one just looks like a normal craft flying over airspace. perhaps its just some military craft that had some miscommunication and flew over the airport.
It's definitely not a normal aircraft. The contrail is very disperse, and the craft appears to break the sound barrier early in the video. The contrail is very similar to test missiles, which can either be subsonic or supersonic. My guess on it would either be a missile or a new fighter with some experimental propulsion system.
From parrarel earth where evolution direction took different path so exsists alongside your spacetime seperated by a dimension bountry, but occupys same spacetime this one slipped through during a natural occuring event which causes a tear.
On July 24 2010 07:18 Kyuukyuu wrote: Isn't chupacabra supposed to be some like furry wolf-y thing that eats cattle/sheep? Not Andy Serkis?
the correct one is the one seen in above video, the other one people saw is a mutation this humanoid one is part of a race so imagine how it feels suddenly trapped in a strange world it quite scared.
Based on the video, my theory is that it is a failed rocket launch. Instead of going up it went sideways, and the military advised the airport to lockdown. Due to potential embarrasment they did not report it and left people to their imaginations.
They're at it again and people have got to know. They've got to know because they don't know; they won't report this stuff on the news because they own the news! Conspiracy? This goes beyond conspiracy, okay? There is no word for something as devious and secret as this, you understand? People need to hear this; they need to know the real story! Alright, as we all know the Americans established a Moon base back in the late seventies, that's no secret. But what most people don't know is that they have been conducting a dig. Not for resources, but for artifacts. Well, it's no coincidence that the Chinese have started conducting space missions. You know why? I'll tell you why. The reason is because the Chinese are trying to stop the Americans from finding an ancient space probe send by the Beta-Centaurians. And why? Because the Beta-Centaurians are giving space technology to the Chinese to get back at the Andromedans - a.k.a. The Greys - for giving space technology to the Americans in The Fifties. The American government's been putting more money into space. Don't you see what's happening? I can't believe I'm the only one that's figured it out! Am I the only person alive that can see what's going on? It's because the Andromedans and the Betas are going to be fighting their war in this galaxy through us!. And the American people, the people of Earth, you people, cannot let this happen! It's Mu versus Atlantis all over again!
On July 24 2010 07:44 Spyfire242 wrote: They're at it again and people have got to know. They've got to know because they don't know; they won't report this stuff on the news because they own the news! Conspiracy? This goes beyond conspiracy, okay? There is no word for something as devious and secret as this, you understand? People need to hear this; they need to know the real story! Alright, as we all know the Americans established a Moon base back in the late seventies, that's no secret. But what most people don't know is that they have been conducting a dig. Not for resources, but for artifacts. Well, it's no coincidence that the Chinese have started conducting space missions. You know why? I'll tell you why. The reason is because the Chinese are trying to stop the Americans from finding an ancient space probe send by the Beta-Centaurians. And why? Because the Beta-Centaurians are giving space technology to the Chinese to get back at the Andromedans - a.k.a. The Greys - for giving space technology to the Americans in The Fifties. The American government's been putting more money into space. Don't you see what's happening? I can't believe I'm the only one that's figured it out! Am I the only person alive that can see what's going on? It's because the Andromedans and the Betas are going to be fighting their war in this galaxy through us!. And the American people, the people of Earth, you people, cannot let this happen! It's Mu versus Atlantis all over again!
This is all true!!! You guys will find out after our world is totally destroyed by arnold schwarzenegger robots.
On July 24 2010 07:44 Spyfire242 wrote: They're at it again and people have got to know. They've got to know because they don't know; they won't report this stuff on the news because they own the news! Conspiracy? This goes beyond conspiracy, okay? There is no word for something as devious and secret as this, you understand? People need to hear this; they need to know the real story! Alright, as we all know the Americans established a Moon base back in the late seventies, that's no secret. But what most people don't know is that they have been conducting a dig. Not for resources, but for artifacts. Well, it's no coincidence that the Chinese have started conducting space missions. You know why? I'll tell you why. The reason is because the Chinese are trying to stop the Americans from finding an ancient space probe send by the Beta-Centaurians. And why? Because the Beta-Centaurians are giving space technology to the Chinese to get back at the Andromedans - a.k.a. The Greys - for giving space technology to the Americans in The Fifties. The American government's been putting more money into space. Don't you see what's happening? I can't believe I'm the only one that's figured it out! Am I the only person alive that can see what's going on? It's because the Andromedans and the Betas are going to be fighting their war in this galaxy through us!. And the American people, the people of Earth, you people, cannot let this happen! It's Mu versus Atlantis all over again!
Your information is disinformed who told you that andromedans were the greys, the greys are the zeta reticuli the draconian empire is there creator and they were installed in that sector of space they are not a true race but more a vesel of use for 3rd density activitys, a genetic robot could say with no souls. Atlantis story is one about to repeat yes but it more complex that just the coming galactic war, remember the grand cycle is almost complete many beings from many worlds dimensions are interested in the earth at this time. What you said look into is the draconian agenda that is far worse.
On July 24 2010 07:44 Spyfire242 wrote: They're at it again and people have got to know. They've got to know because they don't know; they won't report this stuff on the news because they own the news! Conspiracy? This goes beyond conspiracy, okay? There is no word for something as devious and secret as this, you understand? People need to hear this; they need to know the real story! Alright, as we all know the Americans established a Moon base back in the late seventies, that's no secret. But what most people don't know is that they have been conducting a dig. Not for resources, but for artifacts. Well, it's no coincidence that the Chinese have started conducting space missions. You know why? I'll tell you why. The reason is because the Chinese are trying to stop the Americans from finding an ancient space probe send by the Beta-Centaurians. And why? Because the Beta-Centaurians are giving space technology to the Chinese to get back at the Andromedans - a.k.a. The Greys - for giving space technology to the Americans in The Fifties. The American government's been putting more money into space. Don't you see what's happening? I can't believe I'm the only one that's figured it out! Am I the only person alive that can see what's going on? It's because the Andromedans and the Betas are going to be fighting their war in this galaxy through us!. And the American people, the people of Earth, you people, cannot let this happen! It's Mu versus Atlantis all over again!
On July 15 2010 13:37 pokeyAA wrote: Damn, weather balloons sure are sophisticated nowadays
HAHAAHHA...but yeah wow. its probably just another military airplane or something >.<
didnt you hear the guy? its a weather baloon! LOL
anyways.. maybe in 30 years they'll reveal what it is. Think about how long the U.S. Blackhawk SR-71 was used for until it was publicly announced. That plane was made when computer chips and tech were in its early stages. Imagine what the militaries of the world have NOW! JUST IMAGINE!
On July 24 2010 07:44 Spyfire242 wrote: They're at it again and people have got to know. They've got to know because they don't know; they won't report this stuff on the news because they own the news! Conspiracy? This goes beyond conspiracy, okay? There is no word for something as devious and secret as this, you understand? People need to hear this; they need to know the real story! Alright, as we all know the Americans established a Moon base back in the late seventies, that's no secret. But what most people don't know is that they have been conducting a dig. Not for resources, but for artifacts. Well, it's no coincidence that the Chinese have started conducting space missions. You know why? I'll tell you why. The reason is because the Chinese are trying to stop the Americans from finding an ancient space probe send by the Beta-Centaurians. And why? Because the Beta-Centaurians are giving space technology to the Chinese to get back at the Andromedans - a.k.a. The Greys - for giving space technology to the Americans in The Fifties. The American government's been putting more money into space. Don't you see what's happening? I can't believe I'm the only one that's figured it out! Am I the only person alive that can see what's going on? It's because the Andromedans and the Betas are going to be fighting their war in this galaxy through us!. And the American people, the people of Earth, you people, cannot let this happen! It's Mu versus Atlantis all over again!
Keep in mind that IF (there are 2 diff schools of thought on this) the universe is infinitely large, then aliens have to exist. Infinity encompasses everything. Although by this logic God must also exist.
Also, if the universe is infinitely large, then there is another planet somewhere exactly like this one with people EXACTLY like us, except that on THAT planet the guy that shares my name and likeness has slept with all your mothers and sisters.
Ummmm. There was already an answer to this... It was a missle and some of the photos were photoshopped. It's been proven and I'll post the link when I get home. Again, it's a missle.
On July 24 2010 12:53 Prometheus2011 wrote: Keep in mind that IF (there are 2 diff schools of thought on this) the universe is infinitely large, then aliens have to exist. Infinity encompasses everything. Although by this logic God must also exist.
Also, if the universe is infinitely large, then there is another planet somewhere exactly like this one with people EXACTLY like us, except that on THAT planet the guy that shares my name and likeness has slept with all your mothers and sisters.
It doesn't necessarily follow that if something is infinite it must have within it infinite variations. Take the number 1/3. If expressed as a decimal it's infinitely long but it never contains a 5.
On July 24 2010 12:53 Prometheus2011 wrote: Keep in mind that IF (there are 2 diff schools of thought on this) the universe is infinitely large, then aliens have to exist. Infinity encompasses everything. Although by this logic God must also exist.
Also, if the universe is infinitely large, then there is another planet somewhere exactly like this one with people EXACTLY like us, except that on THAT planet the guy that shares my name and likeness has slept with all your mothers and sisters.
It doesn't necessarily follow that if something is infinite it must have within it infinite variations. Take the number 1/3. If expressed as a decimal it's infinitely long but it never contains a 5.
variations of identys exsists within infinitys, definitions in itself are determined by the observer which only functions as a whole in network if accepted by other observers. So you could say mathematics as known to earthlings is in itself just a definition you created to work to understand the basis of creation but is that definition truely relevant in the higher design of exsistance is the question people should ask. Could your very foundations be holding you back from moving up a level in your understandings?
Here this is best way to understand the universe; Anything your mind can imagine is possible some where some how within exsistance, a possibility only becomes known once one has had the experience to make it known, think of history and how many people said things that where not possible that today we live and use...
You have a very truthful part in your response your example proves one thing that each dimension of exsistance may not contain the same variations of design constructs, hence in earth we have humans in our dimension but there could be parrarel dimensions where humans do not exsist same with how they communicate compared to how we communicate a good sample is humans language and the different variation within the possible template of constructs we do have available..
On July 23 2010 00:31 The Storyteller wrote: Sigh... these days, even UFOs are made in China.
I laughed way more than i should have.
On a serious note though, i haven't been able to go through this thread yet so i'm not sure this has been explained before, but what exactly is this UFO's connection to the Chinese army? did they build this thing or what?
On July 24 2010 13:21 johanes wrote: on UFOs: "They tell us absolutely nothing about intelligence elsewhere in the universe, but they do prove how rare it is on Earth." A.C.Clarke
Maybe it isnt rare at all and that the smoke and mirrors of the illusionists...
Did not steven hawking say himself that he believes in other intelligence lifeforms 'extraterrestials'.
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