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Snausages
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States529 Posts
July 10 2010 22:02 GMT
#81
On July 11 2010 06:58 moon` wrote:
:\ Hopefully Blizz remains its own company, independent of Activision's schemes.


they will notice the success of SC2 and decide to take over Blizzard as well
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UmmTheHobo
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States650 Posts
July 10 2010 22:04 GMT
#82
On July 11 2010 06:55 jello_biafra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2010 06:30 UmmTheHobo wrote:
On July 11 2010 06:17 jello_biafra wrote:
Apple torturing employees for accidentally leaking iPhones etc.


Source lol?

That's a pretty ridiculous claim.

If by 'ridiculous claim' you mean 'it actually happened' then yeah. Dude committed suicide...

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10291701-37.html
http://www.programmerfish.com/punishment-for-missing-iphone-4g-prototype-suicide/
http://ignoranceisfutile.wordpress.com/2010/05/28/11th-suicide-at-apple-factory-real-torture-of-an-ipad-on-video/
http://gizmodo.com/5319275/report-iphone-leak-interrogations-drive-foxconn-employee-to-suicide
http://dashes.com/anil/2009/07/apple-secrecy-does-not-scale.html

Apple's products are over-priced, they suck balls and they're fucking evil. They can eat a dick as far as I'm concerned.


Foxconn is NOT part of Apple. That guy was NOT an employee of Apple. Apple does NOT torture their employees. Foxconn might torture there employees, Apple should definitely distance themselves from Foxconn.

My dad works at Apple, and while I think their products are stupid and overpriced, I also know Apple is one of the best places to work in the tech world. Great pay, great vacation, good hours. I have been to my dads office while he works, ate lunch with him, and I know the Apple campus is pretty laid back and casual.

If Apple employees were being tortured I think I would be seeing people quietly eating their lunch looking over their shoulders every five seconds rather than laughing and chatting it up with coworkers in flip-flops and sandles.
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jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6642 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-10 22:12:36
July 10 2010 22:09 GMT
#83
On July 11 2010 07:04 UmmTheHobo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2010 06:55 jello_biafra wrote:
On July 11 2010 06:30 UmmTheHobo wrote:
On July 11 2010 06:17 jello_biafra wrote:
Apple torturing employees for accidentally leaking iPhones etc.


Source lol?

That's a pretty ridiculous claim.

If by 'ridiculous claim' you mean 'it actually happened' then yeah. Dude committed suicide...

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10291701-37.html
http://www.programmerfish.com/punishment-for-missing-iphone-4g-prototype-suicide/
http://ignoranceisfutile.wordpress.com/2010/05/28/11th-suicide-at-apple-factory-real-torture-of-an-ipad-on-video/
http://gizmodo.com/5319275/report-iphone-leak-interrogations-drive-foxconn-employee-to-suicide
http://dashes.com/anil/2009/07/apple-secrecy-does-not-scale.html

Apple's products are over-priced, they suck balls and they're fucking evil. They can eat a dick as far as I'm concerned.


Foxconn is NOT part of Apple. That guy was NOT an employee of Apple. Apple does NOT torture their employees. Foxconn might torture there employees, Apple should definitely distance themselves from Foxconn.

My dad works at Apple, and while I think their products are stupid and overpriced, I also know Apple is one of the best places to work in the tech world. Great pay, great vacation, good hours. I have been to my dads office while he works, ate lunch with him, and I know the Apple campus is pretty laid back and casual.

If Apple employees were being tortured I think I would be seeing people quietly eating their lunch looking over their shoulders every five seconds rather than laughing and chatting it up with coworkers in flip-flops and sandles.

I know it wasn't literally Apple but clearly they were mad enough at the guy to get Foxconn to do that shit, their security measures are ridiculous.

Also there are some other reasons I don't like them: http://www.cracked.com/article_18377_5-reasons-you-should-be-scared-apple.html

Guess I mainly dislike them because they always have to rename everything and everyone goes along with it, it's not an MP3 player anymore it's an i-Pod, it's not a smart phone it's an i-Phone, it's not an FM transmitter it's an i-Trip, it's not a laptop it's an i-Book! etc.

Also my stepfather works for microsoft so I may be slightly biased
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XsebT
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Denmark2980 Posts
July 10 2010 22:11 GMT
#84
wow, this is crazy. T T
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mufin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States616 Posts
July 10 2010 22:15 GMT
#85
On July 11 2010 01:23 Saturnize wrote:
This is so sick. When is someone going to stop this madman?


He can't be stopped, his wrath is evil and unending!
I only make 5 actions per minute. But since I use all my time deliberating and planning, my 5 actions are so brutally devastating that children cry out and grown men weep.
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
July 10 2010 22:31 GMT
#86
On July 11 2010 06:11 UmmTheHobo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2010 05:56 heroyi wrote:
money corrupts. bungie, blizzard, activision. the list goes on.

there are only a few like nintendo and valve that make good games and care about the customers. and they dont fail.

nintendo- gaming innovation like the wii. everyone is now trying to copy the wii while nintendo is...nintendo.

valve: still kicking it with the good ol games.


Nintendo?

Let's try to name 5 good games for the Wii

1. Mario galaxy definitely

2. Resident Evil 4, even though it's a Ps2 remake, the motion controls are so well done that it is a completely new experience, and the game was awesome to begin with.

3. Twilight princess, oh wait never mind it's a gamecube remake, and the gamecube version was better!

4. Super Smash Brothers Brawl, oh wait, the single player sucked, the online sucked, and the mechanics were nowhere near as deep as Melee

5. Mario Kart Wii, oh wait, the controls are horrible, the tracks are horrible, the power-ups are annoying as hell, and the dumb slingshot mechanics (wherein the people on the losing side of the race get better power-ups, speed, and agility) fucks up balance.

EDIT: The list is much bigger if you are a 2 year old or soccer mom

Metroid Prime 3? Paper Mario? Red Steel 2? No More Heroes? Monster Hunter Tri? Modern Warfare Reflex? Zack & Wiki? Trauma Center? Sin and Punishment? Wii has plenty of good games, and many more coming up
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anderoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada1876 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-10 22:52:16
July 10 2010 22:50 GMT
#87
On July 11 2010 06:11 UmmTheHobo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2010 05:56 heroyi wrote:
money corrupts. bungie, blizzard, activision. the list goes on.

there are only a few like nintendo and valve that make good games and care about the customers. and they dont fail.

nintendo- gaming innovation like the wii. everyone is now trying to copy the wii while nintendo is...nintendo.

valve: still kicking it with the good ol games.


Nintendo?

Let's try to name 5 good games for the Wii

1. Mario galaxy definitely

2. Resident Evil 4, even though it's a Ps2 remake, the motion controls are so well done that it is a completely new experience, and the game was awesome to begin with.

3. Twilight princess, oh wait never mind it's a gamecube remake, and the gamecube version was better!

4. Super Smash Brothers Brawl, oh wait, the single player sucked, the online sucked, and the mechanics were nowhere near as deep as Melee

5. Mario Kart Wii, oh wait, the controls are horrible, the tracks are horrible, the power-ups are annoying as hell, and the dumb slingshot mechanics (wherein the people on the losing side of the race get better power-ups, speed, and agility) fucks up balance.

EDIT: The list is much bigger if you are a 2 year old or soccer mom


3. Twilight Princess - Not a remake, just released for both systems, more or less the same game with different controls?

4. Smash Bros - Is a fun game to play with friends, especially since most people don't play it so competitively as to really care if it's as deep as melee

5. Mario Kart Wii - Is fun as hell, as really interesting tracks, fun controls, and slingshot mechanics that you can turn off in the options and choose between several types of weapon distributions


Edit: List is much bigger if you are able to play games for fun instead of trying to make every game out like it is trying to be a candidate for the next big esport
RoosterSamurai
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan2108 Posts
July 10 2010 23:13 GMT
#88
On July 11 2010 02:04 nttea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2010 01:39 RoosterSamurai wrote:
Why would they do that? Go and alienate their BEST game creating team (Infinity Ward) so that they'll go and find a new producer? Activision is going to run themselves straight into the ground. Any other company would kill to have infinity ward make Modern warfare 3 for them.
I can only hope they don't start doing this with blizzard....But deep down, we all know they will.

nono... it's activision that would kill

I guess I can't argue that.
baller
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
527 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-10 23:30:21
July 10 2010 23:25 GMT
#89
lol so many kotick haters

if it makes u guys feel any better, he's pretty poor compared to steve jobs or bill gates

kotick only makes $15 million per year

he could buy only 250,000 copies of SC2 with that money, thats not even half the population of cleveland

so yah, he's probably not even a billionaire yet
SilentCrono
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1420 Posts
July 10 2010 23:27 GMT
#90
this man does not appear to be a homeslice.
♞ Your soul will forever be lost in the void of a horse. ♞
Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
July 10 2010 23:44 GMT
#91
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 11 2010 08:25 baller wrote:
lol so many kotick haters

if it makes u guys feel any better, he's pretty poor compared to steve jobs or bill gates

kotick only makes $15 million per year

he could buy only 250,000 copies of SC2 with that money, thats not even half the population of cleveland

so yah, he's probably not even a billionaire yet



How is telling us he *only* makes FIFTEEN MILLION DOLLARS a year (~300+ times the average salary) supposed to make us feel better?
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tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19255 Posts
July 10 2010 23:45 GMT
#92
On July 11 2010 07:50 anderoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2010 06:11 UmmTheHobo wrote:
On July 11 2010 05:56 heroyi wrote:
money corrupts. bungie, blizzard, activision. the list goes on.

there are only a few like nintendo and valve that make good games and care about the customers. and they dont fail.

nintendo- gaming innovation like the wii. everyone is now trying to copy the wii while nintendo is...nintendo.

valve: still kicking it with the good ol games.


Nintendo?

Let's try to name 5 good games for the Wii

1. Mario galaxy definitely

2. Resident Evil 4, even though it's a Ps2 remake, the motion controls are so well done that it is a completely new experience, and the game was awesome to begin with.

3. Twilight princess, oh wait never mind it's a gamecube remake, and the gamecube version was better!

4. Super Smash Brothers Brawl, oh wait, the single player sucked, the online sucked, and the mechanics were nowhere near as deep as Melee

5. Mario Kart Wii, oh wait, the controls are horrible, the tracks are horrible, the power-ups are annoying as hell, and the dumb slingshot mechanics (wherein the people on the losing side of the race get better power-ups, speed, and agility) fucks up balance.

EDIT: The list is much bigger if you are a 2 year old or soccer mom


3. Twilight Princess - Not a remake, just released for both systems, more or less the same game with different controls?

4. Smash Bros - Is a fun game to play with friends, especially since most people don't play it so competitively as to really care if it's as deep as melee

5. Mario Kart Wii - Is fun as hell, as really interesting tracks, fun controls, and slingshot mechanics that you can turn off in the options and choose between several types of weapon distributions


Edit: List is much bigger if you are able to play games for fun instead of trying to make every game out like it is trying to be a candidate for the next big esport
TP was under development for Cube, and when they realized they were going to go past the launch of Wii they said "shit....port it!?"

Brawl is awful in so very many ways.

MKW is fun to play for a while, but it's not GOOD. There's a certain point where playing it alone is just a plain waste of time.

As for Galaxy, that gave everyone motion sickness...that's not exactly a hallmark of a good game.
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The_Pacifist
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States540 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-10 23:49:00
July 10 2010 23:46 GMT
#93
Hey, it could be worse... could be 16 million...

EDIT: Really, guys? Really? Are we going to make this into another console fanboy argument thread? Because there aren't already a ton of those on the internet already, right? For those involved, do you really think your back and forth pro/anti Nintendo posts are going to make the other guy go "Oh, I guess you're right?"
Backpack
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1776 Posts
July 10 2010 23:47 GMT
#94
On July 11 2010 08:44 Inschato wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 11 2010 08:25 baller wrote:
lol so many kotick haters

if it makes u guys feel any better, he's pretty poor compared to steve jobs or bill gates

kotick only makes $15 million per year

he could buy only 250,000 copies of SC2 with that money, thats not even half the population of cleveland

so yah, he's probably not even a billionaire yet



How is telling us he *only* makes FIFTEEN MILLION DOLLARS a year (~300+ times the average salary) supposed to make us feel better?

Its only 15 million in benefits and what not. His actual salery is only like 900 grand. (according to wikipedia)
"You people need to just generally care a lot less about everything." -Zatic
Tabbris
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Bangladesh2839 Posts
July 10 2010 23:51 GMT
#95
I Really believe blizzard is a good company. Its a Shame they merged with Activision
Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
July 10 2010 23:54 GMT
#96
On July 11 2010 08:25 baller wrote:
lol so many kotick haters

if it makes u guys feel any better, he's pretty poor compared to steve jobs or bill gates

kotick only makes $15 million per year

he could buy only 250,000 copies of SC2 with that money, thats not even half the population of cleveland

so yah, he's probably not even a billionaire yet


Shit..I think I'll buy 5 copoies of sc2 for each server..I feel so bad for him .
Tear stained american saints and dirty guitar dreams across a universe of desert and blue sky , gas station coffee love letters and two dollar pistol kisses from thirty five dollar hotel room stationary .
NicolBolas
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1388 Posts
July 11 2010 00:00 GMT
#97
The suit alleges that during the build up that led to the firing of West and Zampella, Activision forced Infinity Ward employees to submit to secret interrogations and told the employees not to tell anyone about them. The publisher also brought in security personnel to man the office exits, according to the suit.


Man, I just love the rhetoric in this. Employees had to "submit" to "secret interrogations". No, I'm sorry; "secret interrogations" are what happen at Gitmo, when some people in army fatigues or grey suits strap you down and try to drown you. Unless you're being threatened with jail time or physical harm, it's not an "interrogation."

Stripped of the hyperbole, this was just Activision investigating West and Zampella. They pulled some employees aside and asked them some questions, and they told them not to tell anyone about the investigation. But because that doesn't make headlines, the plaintiffs decided to call them "secret interrogations."

Is Activision being something of an asshole here? Yes, particularly surrounding the "not paying them" part. But the hyperbolic rhetoric here is completely unnecessary. And I'm surprised to see such language in what is a formal legal document.
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UmmTheHobo
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States650 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-11 00:09:46
July 11 2010 00:08 GMT
#98
On July 11 2010 09:00 NicolBolas wrote:
Show nested quote +
The suit alleges that during the build up that led to the firing of West and Zampella, Activision forced Infinity Ward employees to submit to secret interrogations and told the employees not to tell anyone about them. The publisher also brought in security personnel to man the office exits, according to the suit.


Man, I just love the rhetoric in this. Employees had to "submit" to "secret interrogations". No, I'm sorry; "secret interrogations" are what happen at Gitmo, when some people in army fatigues or grey suits strap you down and try to drown you. Unless you're being threatened with jail time or physical harm, it's not an "interrogation."

Stripped of the hyperbole, this was just Activision investigating West and Zampella. They pulled some employees aside and asked them some questions, and they told them not to tell anyone about the investigation. But because that doesn't make headlines, the plaintiffs decided to call them "secret interrogations."

Is Activision being something of an asshole here? Yes, particularly surrounding the "not paying them" part. But the hyperbolic rhetoric here is completely unnecessary. And I'm surprised to see such language in what is a formal legal document.


They could have threatened them with their jobs, maybe even threatened not to pay them for work they had done. I'd consider that an Interrogation.

Just for clarification, are only West and Zampella suing Activision or are all 38 of the employees who left suing?
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anderoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada1876 Posts
July 11 2010 00:11 GMT
#99
On July 11 2010 08:46 The_Pacifist wrote:
Hey, it could be worse... could be 16 million...

EDIT: Really, guys? Really? Are we going to make this into another console fanboy argument thread? Because there aren't already a ton of those on the internet already, right? For those involved, do you really think your back and forth pro/anti Nintendo posts are going to make the other guy go "Oh, I guess you're right?"


i was actually arguing against him writing off nintendo wii games as being for "2 year olds and soccer moms" because he didn't like them, but you are right either way i don't even know how that came up to begin with
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
July 11 2010 00:24 GMT
#100
I have sc2 pre-ordered for $5, I'm not planning on picking it up after this. League of legends time I guess =)
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