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3clipse wrote:
This is insanity. Regulating the hours at which citizens can perform private activities is just sick. They're trying to fix problems that barely exist with completely arbitrary, ineffective and intrusive solutions. The fact that it only applies to underage gamers doesn't make it ok. Their parents should have the last word on their upbringing, not the state, and if they want to skip school because they stayed up all night playing Starcraft, let them. Theres always a demand for McDonalds employees.
But this is a government that officially endorsed the fan-death myth, so what can you expect?
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Isn't StarCraft rated E for Everyone?
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On April 13 2010 07:00 FoBuLouS wrote:
I have my doubts about this, how are they going to regulate the times of all their citizens and know their ages?
To play pretty much any game online in Korea you need to register on a site. When you register, you need to input your Korean identity card number. So they know pretty much everything about who's playing. I guess kids can use their parents' ID numbers but if they get rumbled they'd be in for a LOT of Korean parental beats.
Starcraft is an exception though. It's one of the very few games where you don't need to register.
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The Korea Herald article names mostly MMOs but I wonder if they'll widen their range and include Starcraft, a decision that could greatly threaten e-Sports. Why would it greatly threaten e-Sports?
Because you can't go on 6+ hour game binges?
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they(progamers) can play offline any way (dont they mostly play offline anyway? lol) so it wont really hurt esports that much. still really weird/lame though.
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On April 13 2010 07:11 L wrote:Show nested quote +The Korea Herald article names mostly MMOs but I wonder if they'll widen their range and include Starcraft, a decision that could greatly threaten e-Sports. Why would it greatly threaten e-Sports? Because you can't go on 6+ hour game binges?
I was thinking maybe it could affect the practice houses? Also, people who are aspiring to become progamers become severely limited in their practice time. 6 hours doesn't seem like enough practice time to become a progamer.
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I can't see this working but does this include weekends and is this a serious problem in Korea, gaming binges i mean.
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no its probably not going to affect starcraft at all they don't have your information on this game
you don't even need to install starcraft
and yeah, south korea has THE biggest gaming problem, atleast on the computer
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lol so retarded. sensationalist bullshit, creating invisible enemies etc etc.
same as fan death pretty much.
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Protip: Being passive-aggressive won't endear you to Mods.
Ontopic; Honestly it's not so bad if you can still lan. People who are aspiring progamers know other aspiring progamers so they should still be able to get practice in. It is a bit annoying I'm sure but when you want something badly enough to practice more than six hours a day you can find a way.
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on my opinion, if something like this stands in between nerds and their games, there are bound to be third party programs/tools/hacks to overcome this barrier.
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On April 13 2010 07:07 kOre wrote:
Isn't StarCraft rated E for Everyone?
Nope, it's T for Teen. Congrats on 1337 posts btw!
I'm sure people will play at home, then go to a PC bang, then go to a friend's house, then get neighbor's internet, then start over again.
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what god giveth, god taketh away
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parents should tell their kids to stop playing so much not the government
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This ban could make me glad. Progamers do not need to worry about the ban cause they have Lan and what not. If 6 fucking hours of playing 1 game a day, STRAIGHT, is not enough for a young kid, they need to be regulated. This should to apply to everyone.
I am on the fence about the curfew. What time is it? If it's like at 9 or some dumb shit like that, fuck it. If it's at 12 or any later, I can take it. It just ain't healthy for kids to be staying up past midnight to be playing games for recreation.
On April 13 2010 07:55 Entertaining wrote:
parents should tell their kids to stop playing so much not the government
Unfortunately some people have shit parents when it comes to setting boundaries and rules. And its to damn expensive and inefficient to make parents of all kids take mandatory parenting classes.
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THEY CAME FIRST for the MMORPGs,
and I didn't speak up because MMOs suck.
THEN THEY CAME for the FPSs,
and I didn't speak up because they were really violent.
THEN THEY CAME for the Fighting Games,
and I didn't speak up because I didn't play them.
THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up.
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On April 13 2010 07:57 Jyvblamo wrote:
THEY CAME FIRST for the MMORPGs,
and I didn't speak up because MMOs suck.
THEN THEY CAME for the FPSs,
and I didn't speak up because they were really violent.
THEN THEY CAME for the Fighting Games,
and I didn't speak up because I didn't play them.
THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up.
You are acting like they banned games. They did not. From what I understand, you cannot play a game for more than 6 hours straight. If you have got a problem with that time limit, especially if you are a young kid like what Korea is targeting, you need this.
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the government seem to doubt South Korean's self control of Starcraft.
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On April 13 2010 08:00 lone_hydra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 07:57 Jyvblamo wrote:
THEY CAME FIRST for the MMORPGs,
and I didn't speak up because MMOs suck.
THEN THEY CAME for the FPSs,
and I didn't speak up because they were really violent.
THEN THEY CAME for the Fighting Games,
and I didn't speak up because I didn't play them.
THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up. You are acting like they banned games. They did not. From what I understand, you cannot play a game for more than 6 hours straight. If you have got a problem with that time limit, especially if you are a young kid like what Korea is targeting, you need this.
My post was not meant to be taken entirely so seriously.
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United States33388 Posts
while I'm totally against it personally, in principle it's pretty consistent with how governments try to regulate the behavior of minors in general (forced X amount of schooling, no cigs till age X, no alcohol till age X, etc)
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United States22883 Posts
On April 13 2010 08:00 lone_hydra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 07:57 Jyvblamo wrote:
THEY CAME FIRST for the MMORPGs,
and I didn't speak up because MMOs suck.
THEN THEY CAME for the FPSs,
and I didn't speak up because they were really violent.
THEN THEY CAME for the Fighting Games,
and I didn't speak up because I didn't play them.
THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up. You are acting like they banned games. They did not. From what I understand, you cannot play a game for more than 6 hours straight. If you have got a problem with that time limit, especially if you are a young kid like what Korea is targeting, you need this.
Oy.
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The problem does exist and it is huge.
This is not the solution. Allowing parents to "opt in" to a system that would cut videogames for kids who are addicted would be a positive step (though still not without its own set of issues); forcing a system on everyone and handing all power to the state is not.
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well Starcraft is rated T so.... uh
i got nothing
6 hours is reasonable though. instead of "throttling"
they should just have warnings saying "would you like to take a break?" every hour or so.
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Sweden33719 Posts
SC1 might not be affected by this, but SC2 will be =] Of course, if you got an older person to create the account for you, that'd solve everything...?
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On April 13 2010 08:31 Mykill wrote:
well Starcraft is rated T so.... uh
i got nothing
6 hours is reasonable though. instead of "throttling"
they should just have warnings saying "would you like to take a break?" every hour or so.
lol like in MapleStory?
What's that going to do?
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i guess this is to control video game addiction in some kids; i hear stories about people dying from overplaying games on the computer, and i guess its to prevent stuff like that from happening. ._.
(and also to encourage stork to focus less on WoW and mroe on Sc, hehe ;D)
but still, 6 hours is pretty lenient, i sure as hell cant play any video game for 6 hours straight. <.<
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Must suck for Sudden Attack and Aion players... and if the acct is slaved to your Korean SSN then yeah... no gettnig around that
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whats stopping you from a 4 hr gaming -> 1 hr rest -> 4 hr gaming cycle?
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On April 13 2010 08:00 lone_hydra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 07:57 Jyvblamo wrote:
THEY CAME FIRST for the MMORPGs,
and I didn't speak up because MMOs suck.
THEN THEY CAME for the FPSs,
and I didn't speak up because they were really violent.
THEN THEY CAME for the Fighting Games,
and I didn't speak up because I didn't play them.
THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up. You are acting like they banned games. They did not. From what I understand, you cannot play a game for more than 6 hours straight. If you have got a problem with that time limit, especially if you are a young kid like what Korea is targeting, you need this.
"THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
THEN THEY CAME for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up because I was a Protestant.
THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up."
It was a play on this poem, you nitwit.
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How will they determine who is a minor on an internet connection?
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lol noobs, everyone can just use hamachi. Anyway not even progammers play 6 hours straight i think, i mean they take a lunch break then keep going.
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On April 13 2010 11:10 Antisocialmunky wrote:
How will they determine who is a minor on an internet connection?
Minors using their KSS? Sounds like bullshit, beats me I dont know.
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Canada5565 Posts
On April 13 2010 11:55 stroggos wrote:
lol noobs, everyone can just use hamachi. Anyway not even progammers play 6 hours straight i think, i mean they take a lunch break then keep going.
breaks for food and restroom don't count imo, i think most people agree
for a game like WoW only 6 hours a day would suck lol
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what the fuck> what if some guy plays for 6 hours at a pc cafe, then the next guy sits down to play and can't?
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On April 13 2010 11:10 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 08:00 lone_hydra wrote:On April 13 2010 07:57 Jyvblamo wrote:
THEY CAME FIRST for the MMORPGs,
and I didn't speak up because MMOs suck.
THEN THEY CAME for the FPSs,
and I didn't speak up because they were really violent.
THEN THEY CAME for the Fighting Games,
and I didn't speak up because I didn't play them.
THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up. You are acting like they banned games. They did not. From what I understand, you cannot play a game for more than 6 hours straight. If you have got a problem with that time limit, especially if you are a young kid like what Korea is targeting, you need this. "THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. THEN THEY CAME for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. THEN THEY CAME for the Catholics, and I didn’t speak up because I was a Protestant. THEN THEY CAME for me and by that time no one was left to speak up." It was a play on this poem, you nitwit.
I don't see how pointing out that the poem is based off a Holocaust poem demonstrates that the guy who says "you are overreacting" is wrong. If anything it would seem to prove his point.
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United States5162 Posts
Wow, gotta love over reactive governments. I remember many late nights and long hours playing starcraft and other games during middle and high school. I think it's ridiculous to put a blanket standard on video game playing. Isn't that what parents are for? They don't know a little better how much is too much?
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I wasn't exactly expecting this...
tough luck, maybe you shouldn't have had such a shitty OP 
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maybe foreigners will have a shot now
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This kind of reminds me of the Great Firewall of China, but on a much smaller scale. I think the government will have a tough time preventing all the work-arounds.
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On April 13 2010 07:07 kOre wrote:
Isn't StarCraft rated E for Everyone?
No, its rated E for ESPORTS.
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United States42676 Posts
On April 13 2010 12:10 EmeraldSparks wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 11:10 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On April 13 2010 08:00 lone_hydra wrote:On April 13 2010 07:57 Jyvblamo wrote:
THEY CAME FIRST for the MMORPGs,
and I didn't speak up because MMOs suck.
THEN THEY CAME for the FPSs,
and I didn't speak up because they were really violent.
THEN THEY CAME for the Fighting Games,
and I didn't speak up because I didn't play them.
THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up. You are acting like they banned games. They did not. From what I understand, you cannot play a game for more than 6 hours straight. If you have got a problem with that time limit, especially if you are a young kid like what Korea is targeting, you need this. "THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. THEN THEY CAME for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. THEN THEY CAME for the Catholics, and I didn’t speak up because I was a Protestant. THEN THEY CAME for me and by that time no one was left to speak up." It was a play on this poem, you nitwit. I don't see how pointing out that the poem is based off a Holocaust poem demonstrates that the guy who says "you are overreacting" is wrong. If anything it would seem to prove his point.
No, because it was a play on the poem. The guy was not making a serious comparison between this and the Holocaust in order to show how bad he felt it was. Rather he was making a joke.
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Really now? This is so ridiculous...
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I think it only applies to LANs and other gaming establishments like arcades.
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On April 13 2010 07:57 Jyvblamo wrote:
THEY CAME FIRST for the MMORPGs,
and I didn't speak up because MMOs suck.
THEN THEY CAME for the FPSs,
and I didn't speak up because they were really violent.
THEN THEY CAME for the Fighting Games,
and I didn't speak up because I didn't play them.
THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up.
God???
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On April 13 2010 07:07 kOre wrote:
Isn't StarCraft rated E for Everyone?
It was originally rated M (Mature) by the ESRB
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wow anyone actually endorsing this shit is completely retarded. i wouldn't care if it's gaming or any legal activity. regulating people like that is complete bullshit.
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In related news, South Korean parents and politicians have just discovered that there is indeed an entire world outside of buildings, warmed by a giant yellow ball called the "sun."
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Will mainly affect mmo's and is a good move imo
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but MMOs are one of the best types of games to play in long sessions =(
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United States4126 Posts
On April 13 2010 12:25 travis wrote:
maybe foreigners will have a shot now
Hahaha, great point 
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On April 13 2010 13:24 zuh wrote:It was originally rated M (Mature) by the ESRB
actually it was rated E for EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEOnlykoreans
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On April 13 2010 16:02 eMbrace wrote:
but MMOs are one of the best types of games to play in long sessions =(
If you're playing any game, MMO's included for six hours at a time, you need this limitation. I've been a big time player on several different MMO's (WoW, Maple, La Tale, other smaller games) up to a few years ago, and i'm literally sick to my stomach after playing for over three hours. The quality of my life (physically, emotionally, and mentally) has improved hundreds of times over since I stopped playing (which took absolutely no effort upon stumbling upon the realization of how much time I was wasting for nothing.) I haven't even had to exert any will over not going back to these games because I realize how terrible they are.
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I'm sure people who are playing the game for a living will be exempt. The corporations that run ESPORTS must have lobbying power.
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Guys, the ban lasts or 6 hours, not you can't play for more than 6 hours, which means you can't play certain games for a selected 6 hour period of the day. You can play at all other times. Also, the curfew mainly targets MMORPGs and so won't affect Esports.
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If parents are allowing their kids to play for 6 hours straight then yeah, maybe there IS need for a state intervention.
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nice to live in a non retarded country
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the curfew could be 23 hours a day limit and it wouldnt matter the principle issue here is that the government is forcing people to behave in a certain way and restricting people's freedoms, which is not cool bro
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Because SC2 is all online right now... i can see this being a problem for the crazies out there. Meaning the people who think sleep (health) < games
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To be completely honest:
I am almost always a proponent of freedom, democracy, progress and all that. But what it comes to MMORPG's, I can't help but be glad that people will be required at one point to get some food and go to sleep.
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Does stopping for 1 minute every 5:58 or so count as not playing 6 hours straight? How long exactly of a break is required? If it's just like 30 mins to an hour it doesn't seem too bad.
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
On April 13 2010 11:10 Antisocialmunky wrote:
How will they determine who is a minor on an internet connection?
Koreans have to use their KSSN to do anything online. So they know who's a minor and who's not.
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I thought South Korea was a Republic, why would the government pass something like this?
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Government power only ever expands. This is totalitarianism. It always under the guise of "protecting the children".
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On April 13 2010 21:12 snotboogie wrote:
Government power only ever expands. This is totalitarianism. It always under the guise of "protecting the children".
whatever. kids don't need rights and left to their own devices would become vegetables drooling in front of a screen. i'm all for it
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The OP is misleading, you don't get limited to only 6 hours a day but rather you have to do something else at midnight for 6 hours. As in you should be sleeping and getting ready for the mandatory school. (gasp!! where is the freeeeeedom i want to play mmorpgs and sleep at school)
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On April 13 2010 22:12 d_so wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 21:12 snotboogie wrote:
Government power only ever expands. This is totalitarianism. It always under the guise of "protecting the children". whatever. kids don't need rights and left to their own devices would become vegetables drooling in front of a screen. i'm all for it
There are something called "parents".
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On April 13 2010 22:17 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 22:12 d_so wrote:On April 13 2010 21:12 snotboogie wrote:
Government power only ever expands. This is totalitarianism. It always under the guise of "protecting the children". whatever. kids don't need rights and left to their own devices would become vegetables drooling in front of a screen. i'm all for it There are something called "parents".
rofl if there's one common theme of Korean parental stress it's trying to answer the question of "how do i get my son to stop playing computer games T.T" . Parents try but the results haven't been good.
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On April 13 2010 22:23 d_so wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 22:17 Boblion wrote:On April 13 2010 22:12 d_so wrote:On April 13 2010 21:12 snotboogie wrote:
Government power only ever expands. This is totalitarianism. It always under the guise of "protecting the children". whatever. kids don't need rights and left to their own devices would become vegetables drooling in front of a screen. i'm all for it There are something called "parents". rofl if there's one common theme of Korean parental stress it's trying to answer the question of "how do i get my son to stop playing computer games T.T" . Parents try but the results haven't been good.
These parents and their children do not belong to the government. The government exists to protect their rights. As long as they aren't violating other citizen's rights they should be able to do whatever they want. Freedom always has a better outcome than planning.
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On April 13 2010 22:29 lOvOlUNiMEDiA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 22:23 d_so wrote:On April 13 2010 22:17 Boblion wrote:On April 13 2010 22:12 d_so wrote:On April 13 2010 21:12 snotboogie wrote:
Government power only ever expands. This is totalitarianism. It always under the guise of "protecting the children". whatever. kids don't need rights and left to their own devices would become vegetables drooling in front of a screen. i'm all for it There are something called "parents". rofl if there's one common theme of Korean parental stress it's trying to answer the question of "how do i get my son to stop playing computer games T.T" . Parents try but the results haven't been good. These parents and their children do not belong to the government. The government exists to protect their rights. As long as they aren't violating other citizen's rights they should be able to do whatever they want. Freedom always has a better outcome than planning.
lol plz. i mean i understand where you're coming from but government controls a whole bunch of things from underage consumption. and that's really cute you feel that way about freedom, but try explaining how freedom is good to your "totalitarian" parents or "dictatorship" classrooms.
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On April 13 2010 07:57 Jyvblamo wrote:
THEY CAME FIRST for the MMORPGs,
and I didn't speak up because MMOs suck.
THEN THEY CAME for the FPSs,
and I didn't speak up because they were really violent.
THEN THEY CAME for the Fighting Games,
and I didn't speak up because I didn't play them.
THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up.
hahahahahah
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Honestly I think this is a good thing..
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On April 13 2010 13:23 Apexplayer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 07:57 Jyvblamo wrote:
THEY CAME FIRST for the MMORPGs,
and I didn't speak up because MMOs suck.
THEN THEY CAME for the FPSs,
and I didn't speak up because they were really violent.
THEN THEY CAME for the Fighting Games,
and I didn't speak up because I didn't play them.
THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up. God???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Niemöller
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I'm against this and it falls to parents to be good ones.
Enacting your beliefs and way of quality life to your children becomes your job and if you're the one letting them not follow through with their responsibilities and to rot in front of a computer, its the parent's problem.
Prioritizing eating properly, brushing your teeth, sleeping and other things that are necessary to quality life should be, I hope to god, common sense. It's things like this that give gaming a bad name, however it's not up to the government to hand-hold us in being humans. It's our jobs (and our parents, if one is a naive 15 year old)
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On April 13 2010 14:33 ulszz wrote:
wow anyone actually endorsing this shit is completely retarded. i wouldn't care if it's gaming or any legal activity. regulating people like that is complete bullshit.
I don't like restrictions like this, but people are being regulated by their governments all the time. It's neither new nor particularly extreme.
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6hrs is more than enough time... unless you are in an MMO and need to raid, then you should just get a life anyways cause mmo's suck
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On April 13 2010 19:59 theramstoss wrote:
To be completely honest:
I am almost always a proponent of freedom, democracy, progress and all that. But what it comes to MMORPG's, I can't help but be glad that people will be required at one point to get some food and go to sleep.
But if it is their choice to sit infront of a computer all day and play WoW who's to say that we should tell them what to do?
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Most MMO games in Korea are controlled by netmarble, hangame, pmang etc. For those, it's possible
For everything else.... There's Mastercard.
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This has already been implement in Thailand. How it works is when you sign up for an game account(almost all Asia games) you need some sort equivalent to your social security # in USA. So, game servers only allowing users accessing to X-Y time depends on your age.
Also to add, in Thailand is it against the law for Internet cafe to allow students in DURING school times and late at night.
This result in, kids using parents/grandparent SSN to sign up an account. And internet cafe offer cloths, for kids to switch out of theirs uniform during school hours.
The system might not be the same, but this is just an idea how it was done here in Thailand.
EDIT: The system was design for kids below 18, the rest have no restriction.
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This may be weird by western standards but it's not that out of the ordinary in Asia. Historically there's always been a tradition of centralized, powerful government there. You can argue this is good or bad, but really its just a different system of governance. I think a lot of the outrage and 1984 allusions, particularly in this case, are misplaced.
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On April 14 2010 03:34 DoubleU wrote:
This has already been implement in Thailand. How it works is when you sign up for an game account(almost all Asia games) you need some sort equivalent to your social security # in USA. So, game servers only allowing users accessing to X-Y time depends on your age.
Also to add, in Thailand is it against the law for Internet cafe to allow students in DURING school times and late at night.
This result in, kids using parents/grandparent SSN to sign up an account. And internet cafe offer cloths, for kids to switch out of theirs uniform during school hours.
The system might not be the same, but this is just an idea how it was done here in Thailand.
EDIT: The system was design for kids below 18, the rest have no restriction.
lol omg
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This sounds like one of the only ways to stop kids from wasting their lives in MMOs.
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On April 13 2010 07:12 Ideas wrote:
they(progamers) can play offline any way (dont they mostly play offline anyway? lol) so it wont really hurt esports that much. still really weird/lame though.
SCII is Battle.net only.
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On April 13 2010 07:07 kOre wrote:
Isn't StarCraft rated E for Everyone?
Actually in Australia and New Zealand its rated M for Mature Audiences 
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MrHoon
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man if they somehow put this shit on PSN or Xboxlive I have to transfer schools again.
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