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British national executed in China - Page 21
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Dracid
United States280 Posts
Does it really count as a facebook substitute if you can't anonymously stalk people? (It keeps track of who visits your profile. Yes I'm aware that there are ways to do with with facebook as well, but I assume most people are too lazy to bother.) | ||
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Han Solo
United Kingdom199 Posts
The issue of insanity is unknown to us really. There isn't enough information on the case for me to decide, but I do not trust China's juridical judgement on this either. I doubt they gave a truly legitimate trial. It wouldn't suprise me if the guy was indeed bipolar, but none of use can confirm it either way. | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On January 05 2010 07:42 Han Solo wrote: While I certainly will not commend the law itself, the guy got what he got. It's his responsibility to read the laws and not break them, and he failed that. The issue of insanity is unknown to us really. There isn't enough information on the case for me to decide, but I do not trust China's juridical judgement on this either. I doubt they gave a truly legitimate trial. It wouldn't suprise me if the guy was indeed bipolar, but none of use can confirm it either way. So you have no clue if the guy is crazy, but since you happen to dislike China for whatever reason, you've decided they couldn't possibly give a proper trial and therefore the guy was probably bipolar. Nice. Makes sense. | ||
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Han Solo
United Kingdom199 Posts
On January 05 2010 07:54 StorkHwaiting wrote: So you have no clue if the guy is crazy, but since you happen to dislike China for whatever reason, you've decided they couldn't possibly give a proper trial and therefore the guy was probably bipolar. Nice. Makes sense. I don't trust an extremely totalitarian country to prosecute without bias, no. It's not just China, a totalitarian country/state. Western countries have it to an extent, but it's still there and I do not blindly trust my own goverment either, but I certainly rate it above China. Edit: And do tell how the hell you pulled out "probably" from my post? I said it's entirely possible that the guy was bipolar, but I doubt he was. | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
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Han Solo
United Kingdom199 Posts
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On January 05 2010 08:12 Han Solo wrote: So you have refute whatsoever and are just posting crap. Gotcha. lolol dude you haven't put anything worth discussing. I'm just having fun right now XD. Why so serious? Are you honestly mad that I dissed the Millenium Falcon? | ||
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Han Solo
United Kingdom199 Posts
On January 05 2010 08:16 StorkHwaiting wrote: lolol dude you haven't put anything worth discussing. I'm just having fun right now XD. Why so serious? Are you honestly mad that I dissed the Millenium Falcon? I got over my 13/14 year old internet rage a long time ago, so no. I can't remeber being angry over something on a forum for years now. | ||
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Dracid
United States280 Posts
Pretty sure that's where he pulled probably from. Anyhow, this is the brainwashing I'm talking about. It's one thing to list legitimate complaints, it's another to just say "well, they're totalitarian, so that automatically means they're terrible and wrong." All you're doing is throwing buzzwords around without actually understanding any of the issues involved. | ||
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Han Solo
United Kingdom199 Posts
On January 05 2010 08:27 Dracid wrote: "It wouldn't suprise me if the guy was indeed bipolar" Ok, sorry about that. It's badly worded, my fault. Anyhow, this is the brainwashing I'm talking about. It's one thing to list legitimate complaints, it's another to just say "well, they're totalitarian, so that automatically means they're terrible and wrong." All you're doing is throwing buzzwords around without actually understanding any of the issues involved: Issues about what? This particular case? Frankly, we as the public know little of the actual proceedings so it's hard to judge at all. | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On January 05 2010 08:33 Han Solo wrote: Ok, sorry about that. It's badly worded, my fault. Issues about what? This particular case? Frankly, we as the public know little of the actual proceedings so it's hard to judge at all. Except you are judging lol. | ||
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Han Solo
United Kingdom199 Posts
Judging on the potential for abuse considering this is a highly publicized(I think it's spelt with a z) case, yes. If the Chinese show a tough hand here and now it will surely lower the amount of drug trafficking to some degree. | ||
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timmeh
Austria177 Posts
On January 05 2010 08:41 Han Solo wrote: If the Chinese show a tough hand here and now it will surely lower the amount of drug trafficking to some degree. This. | ||
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7Strife
United States104 Posts
On January 05 2010 08:27 Dracid wrote: "It wouldn't suprise me if the guy was indeed bipolar" Pretty sure that's where he pulled probably from. Anyhow, this is the brainwashing I'm talking about. It's one thing to list legitimate complaints, it's another to just say "well, they're totalitarian, so that automatically means they're terrible and wrong." All you're doing is throwing buzzwords around without actually understanding any of the issues involved. On January 05 2010 08:16 StorkHwaiting wrote: lolol dude you haven't put anything worth discussing. I'm just having fun right now XD. Why so serious? Are you honestly mad that I dissed the Millenium Falcon? I see you hypocritical totalitarian sympathizers have found some fresh meat! | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
More like, drug flow will likely drop for a bit while smaller smugglers are scared off. The criminal organizations with more secure pipelines, however, will just profit from increased street prices and depending on the magnitude of the price change, might start fighting for once settled territory. | ||
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Surrealistic
311 Posts
Unlikely. Those willing to smuggle drugs are firstly desperate and vulnerable, easily persuaded into taking such risks. | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
These are people who for whatever reason decided selling drugs was a good way to make money. So they started slanging. Yes, some drug dealers are poor kids from the ghetto who got roped into it because they've got no way up and out of the hellhole they were born in. There are also quite a number of drug dealers who start selling simply because they're around the drug scene and like to score some extra cash on the side while bartending/waiting tables/working at Disney world. Then there are Ivy League kids who know a lot of buddies in the dorm who like that Colombia white, so they slang all over campus to make some fat dough to go buy hot girls shots at the club. There are all types out there and they're all connected by one common bond, they're trying to make money by selling drugs. That's it. There's no other standard among drug dealers. So stop acting like you're ready to economically and psychologically profile all drugdealers. | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
So oddly enough, in this situation, I'd trust the Chinese govt more than the UK or American government when the defendant is British. Because they know how much westerners like to bitch about these things and find it too troublesome from a foreign relations standpoint. So if they're putting a bullet to this guy's head, they're REALLY CERTAIN about it. Otherwise they'd never bother. Btw, the 30 minute trial was for appeals. So it's not short at all. US Supreme Court cases I believe has a 1 hour limit to its cases. It's kind of funny how so many people think the court just convicted him unfairly, when they've likely went through everything with a fine toothed comb. I think there's a lot of things wrong with the Chinese government. But it's kind of hilarious yet sad that usually westerners never hit the true problems with China. They just poke a bit left and right, sometimes accusing correctly, sometimes miss the mark completely. | ||
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firedodo
China116 Posts
On January 05 2010 12:57 baubo wrote: You know what I find ironic in all this? Foreigners in China, especially ones with Western European/American passports, get a lot of LEEWAY with the cops. If the cops need 50% of the evidence to convict a Chinese person, then they'd need 150% evidence to convict a foreigner(provided you came from the right places like UK). I speak from personal experience and chatting with cops I know. So oddly enough, in this situation, I'd trust the Chinese govt more than the UK or American government when the defendant is British. Because they know how much westerners like to bitch about these things and find it too troublesome from a foreign relations standpoint. So if they're putting a bullet to this guy's head, they're REALLY CERTAIN about it. Otherwise they'd never bother. Btw, the 30 minute trial was for appeals. So it's not short at all. US Supreme Court cases I believe has a 1 hour limit to its cases. It's kind of funny how so many people think the court just convicted him unfairly, when they've likely went through everything with a fine toothed comb. I think there's a lot of things wrong with the Chinese government. But it's kind of hilarious yet sad that usually westerners never hit the true problems with China. They just poke a bit left and right, sometimes accusing correctly, sometimes miss the mark completely. I am gonna say +1 for each and every paragragh. | ||
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OpticalShot
Canada6330 Posts
I have no real first-hand knowledge of the case, all I know is from the articles provided in OP and the comments here, but I'm certainly glad it sends a message to everybody that drugs in YOUR bag leads to YOUR death. Convincing a 50+ year old daddy that carrying a pack of mysterious stuff (4kg is quite a lot) into a foreign country will make him a pop star... just lol. *edit: just noticed I got a zealot icon. woohoo!! | ||
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