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rANDY
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United Kingdom748 Posts
November 26 2009 20:23 GMT
#181
Why do you teach/promote short stacking? It's ruining many games and isn't really teaching poker =[
Xantos
Profile Joined November 2009
Germany187 Posts
November 27 2009 18:24 GMT
#182
@DREAM-JOY:
Sorry for answering so late - I was quite busy recent days.
Please drop me a mail to lutz@pokerstrategy.com with your username at PokerStrategy.com & I'll help out here.
In general, these ID checks are sadly necessary due to massive attempts to get our $50 a thousand times ;(

@no_re:
Short stacking is a solid & simple strategy to learn for beginners. For the people we give the $50 gift, surviving the first few thousand hands where they gather experience is a key. Big stack play is more complicated & harder to teach for beginners.

Later on, most players move on to Big stack game (we even have specific strategy articles on how to switch) - and on advanced levels, we show you how to play against Short stacks.

Currently, we're testing a Big stack strategy for beginners to further move away from Short stacking. But we're also convinced that short stacking does not "destroy" poker - as fish do not care at all. As short stacking is a powerful strategy, it might kill other people's win rates - but thats the case no matter what (good) strategy you teach to people
Etherone
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1898 Posts
November 27 2009 18:30 GMT
#183
i'll add that learning short stacking is a great way to know exactly what to do against a short stacker, you know their ranges and what they are and aren't inclined to do.
IMlemon
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Lithuania296 Posts
December 01 2009 18:36 GMT
#184
Just wanted to say thank you to pokerstrategy.com for the initial $$$. It has been a big boost to my "bankroll" and together with that first deposit thingy helped me to move up the limits much quicker. Hope you guys made back whatever you invested in me.

Cheers.
My future's so bright, I gotta wear shades.
Daigomi
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
South Africa4316 Posts
December 02 2009 13:42 GMT
#185
I've been playing for just more than a week now for one to two hours every day. I've gone up from my starting $50 to $75.80 in that time, which I am quite chuffed with. Also, there's been only one day so far where I lost money at the end of the day, and that was like 0.30$ after an hour of play.

To everyone complaining, as a complete beginner I really find the short stack strategy useful, and not just because it gives me a "starting hands" chart. Most beginners tend to just limp into each hand and hope to hit something. Sometimes this works, but when you hit something and then someone else bets, it turns 100% into a guessing game where you try to "read" the other player to see if he has better cards than you, which is completely useless. Using short stack strategy, I am much more comfortable after the flop. If I have an overpair I'm likely to bet (unless someone else bets completely over the top before me). If I don't hit anything, and some else bets, I'll fold even if I have KA or something like that. Basically, the strategy taught me way more than just what hands to play and how much to play with, it's taught me the basics of the game and have actually allowed me to play with at least some confidence. Obviously other strategies could teach me the same basics, but when you combine it with the low-risk nature of the strategy, it really is good for a beginner.

Also, while it simplifies the betting for you, you can focus your thinking on other things like learning to understand position and calculating odds. Instead of trying to figure out if I should call or raise, I can spend my time trying to figure out what the odds are, or looking at the position of other players on the table.

Another nice thing about SSS is that I can't lose that much money on any single hand. The other day I was playing live poker, and I had about 90 big blinds in my stack. I got involved in a hand where I bet quite hard after the flop, and someone (who was playing extremely aggresively, and had a stack three times larger than mine) reraised me to all-in. As a beginner, situations like these are almost impossible for me. The guy had been playing aggressively all night, playing basically anything, and I had a good hand, so I thought I had him beat. On the other hand, the stakes were very high for me (I had like $140 in hand) so it's very difficult for me to make the call. If I only had 20 big blinds on me, I would have comfortably called the hand and if I had lost it, it would have been too bad. On the other hand, I'm not sure if I should have called him in the hand I was playing. I played JK and hit J overpair on the flop. In the end, I called and lost to a JA. Point is, I suck and I'm likely to make sucky calls. It's better if my sucky calls can at most cost me 1/30th of my bankroll rather than 1/5th of it or something.

So seriously, stop complaining about it. If you're a good player it should be fairly easy to take advantage of players playing SSS, or if that's too difficult, just don't play on full tables.

A question to Xantos: Your verification requires proof of residence. However, no South African ID contains a form of proof of residence, and for many students who don't own their own place yet, there is no other form of proof of residence available. My one friend registered and did the quiz more than 2 weeks ago, and he is still waiting for his starting money because of this problem. Is there anything you can do about this?
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cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
December 02 2009 17:42 GMT
#186
On December 02 2009 22:42 Daigomi wrote:
I've been playing for just more than a week now for one to two hours every day. I've gone up from my starting $50 to $75.80 in that time, which I am quite chuffed with. Also, there's been only one day so far where I lost money at the end of the day, and that was like 0.30$ after an hour of play.

To everyone complaining, as a complete beginner I really find the short stack strategy useful, and not just because it gives me a "starting hands" chart. Most beginners tend to just limp into each hand and hope to hit something. Sometimes this works, but when you hit something and then someone else bets, it turns 100% into a guessing game where you try to "read" the other player to see if he has better cards than you, which is completely useless. Using short stack strategy, I am much more comfortable after the flop. If I have an overpair I'm likely to bet (unless someone else bets completely over the top before me). If I don't hit anything, and some else bets, I'll fold even if I have KA or something like that. Basically, the strategy taught me way more than just what hands to play and how much to play with, it's taught me the basics of the game and have actually allowed me to play with at least some confidence. Obviously other strategies could teach me the same basics, but when you combine it with the low-risk nature of the strategy, it really is good for a beginner.

Also, while it simplifies the betting for you, you can focus your thinking on other things like learning to understand position and calculating odds. Instead of trying to figure out if I should call or raise, I can spend my time trying to figure out what the odds are, or looking at the position of other players on the table.

Another nice thing about SSS is that I can't lose that much money on any single hand. The other day I was playing live poker, and I had about 90 big blinds in my stack. I got involved in a hand where I bet quite hard after the flop, and someone (who was playing extremely aggresively, and had a stack three times larger than mine) reraised me to all-in. As a beginner, situations like these are almost impossible for me. The guy had been playing aggressively all night, playing basically anything, and I had a good hand, so I thought I had him beat. On the other hand, the stakes were very high for me (I had like $140 in hand) so it's very difficult for me to make the call. If I only had 20 big blinds on me, I would have comfortably called the hand and if I had lost it, it would have been too bad. On the other hand, I'm not sure if I should have called him in the hand I was playing. I played JK and hit J overpair on the flop. In the end, I called and lost to a JA. Point is, I suck and I'm likely to make sucky calls. It's better if my sucky calls can at most cost me 1/30th of my bankroll rather than 1/5th of it or something.

So seriously, stop complaining about it. If you're a good player it should be fairly easy to take advantage of players playing SSS, or if that's too difficult, just don't play on full tables.

A question to Xantos: Your verification requires proof of residence. However, no South African ID contains a form of proof of residence, and for many students who don't own their own place yet, there is no other form of proof of residence available. My one friend registered and did the quiz more than 2 weeks ago, and he is still waiting for his starting money because of this problem. Is there anything you can do about this?


Incorrect. Short stacks have an actual built-in advantage. If everyone is equal skill level at a table with half full stacks and half short stacks, the short stacks will be +EV and the large stacks -EV.
Xantos
Profile Joined November 2009
Germany187 Posts
December 04 2009 15:41 GMT
#187
Hey Daigomi,

thanks for your nice post & sorry for spotting your question so late!

On December 02 2009 22:42 Daigomi wrote:
A question to Xantos: Your verification requires proof of residence. However, no South African ID contains a form of proof of residence, and for many students who don't own their own place yet, there is no other form of proof of residence available. My one friend registered and did the quiz more than 2 weeks ago, and he is still waiting for his starting money because of this problem. Is there anything you can do about this?

If that's the case for all ZA IDs, we may need to adjust our process for South Africa. For that matter & for your friend's username: could you drop me a mail to lutz@pokerstrategy.com? Many thanks!

Lutz
Xantos
Profile Joined November 2009
Germany187 Posts
December 05 2009 15:48 GMT
#188
@Daigomi: Your friend should have been accepted by now. If it's not the 'right one', please give me a note
pangshai
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Chinatown5333 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-06 17:13:45
December 06 2009 17:12 GMT
#189
hey xantos, when i try to login on pokerstrategy, it says my account has been deactivated. i think its possibly cause i first registered in australia, but have flown back to singapore. can anything be done about it?

edit: account name on pokerstrategy: pangshai
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GogoKodo
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Canada1785 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-06 19:17:39
December 06 2009 19:17 GMT
#190
On November 09 2009 00:53 Xantos wrote:
ID Check / Legitimation
You might need to pass an ID check before getting the $50. The type varies - common is to send in an ID card scan (you can anonymize stuff such as the ID card number). The goal is to find out that you do not get the $50 for the 10th time [sadly, some professional fraudsters try to get the $50 for a thousand times].

I tried to send in my identification, a drivers license, which shows my address and country. I blanked out the card number (and barcode, since that shows the number as well). I also blanked out my signature, don't want to be giving that out. Other than that the ID is full, shows my date of birth, address, picture.

I was denied by support, they said I wasn't allowed to blank out the ID card number, only the signature.
I'm also gogokodo on pokerstrategy
twitter: @terrancem
Xantos
Profile Joined November 2009
Germany187 Posts
December 07 2009 09:41 GMT
#191
Hey pangshai & gogokodo,

I brought up both your cases with our customer service internally & I hope you both will have a solution (i.e. no problems in getting the $50) soon! Thanks for your patience & sorry for the inconvenience - sadly, our fraud prevention processes are not perfect - and probably never will be, as there is always a grey zone where you either accept fraudsters or deny honest customers.

Regards,
Lutz
pangshai
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Chinatown5333 Posts
December 07 2009 15:43 GMT
#192
i must say, your customer service has been very patient with all my questions and was also very speedy with answering them. the deactivation of my account, though abrupt, is completely understandable given the sheer amount of fraudsters you must encounter. i look forward to reading more articles on the site now that i've been re-enabled, and will definitely recommend friends should they ever want to entire a career in poker.
#1 midas fan
Xantos
Profile Joined November 2009
Germany187 Posts
December 07 2009 18:43 GMT
#193
Hey pangshai (and also gogokodo),

your issues should be resolved & the customer service now knows about your issues.

If there are any problems, ideally drop me a mail to improve quickness of reply: lutz@pokerstrategy.com.

Thanks,
Lutz

PS: just to make sure - you noticed that we also have a flourishing Chinese community? Maybe you speak perfect English - but some of your friends might prefer our Chinese website
cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-07 19:00:16
December 07 2009 18:58 GMT
#194
Hi!

I was wondering how much your No Limit articles translate to playing against people in real life. The only people I really ever play with are scrubs so a lot of the stuff I've learned reading the limit and no limit beginner articles have taught me a lot. That being said something like going all in when the pot is two times the size of my stack (that might be me butchering that rule sorry) doesn't seem to translate to playing with people at a table with my friends.

Thanks again for the advice and Q&A and the TSL thing

EDIT I guess the further question is what's a good place to learn at on PokerStrategy if we live in the States?
Korn
Profile Joined October 2005
United Kingdom10 Posts
December 08 2009 18:14 GMT
#195
Hi cgrinker,

the articles do definately translate into real life. The only danger is that you might get bored as the best strategy for friendly life games is to be really tight and patient. In a live-setting, expect to play 30 hands per hour. 80% will get folded pre-flop, which leaves you with 6 hands. About a third of them you can expect to go to showdown, which comes out at 2 showdowns per hour. In about 2 cases you'll fold before showdown and in another 2 cases, your opponent will fold before showdown.

Not much action, but in the long term a very nice profit.

Finally, note that we do have some special content for live games, you can find it in our strategy section.

If you live in the US, you could check out cardrunners .com or deucescracked .com. They don't have much written content or coachings, but good videos.
cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-09 00:18:59
December 08 2009 18:59 GMT
#196
Hey again,

I'm interested in playing on a play for fake money site (poker stars) but at the same time want to continue reading articles on poker strategy. Your system for credits to read the higher level articles requires play on "real" poker clients. Is there any way for people in the US to unlock the higher level articles?

Xantos
Profile Joined November 2009
Germany187 Posts
December 09 2009 12:52 GMT
#197
Hey cgrinker,

currently, there is no other way to unlock our content & services for higher status levels - and sadly, even then we could not allow US customers at our site. I know that sounds stupid, but in our industry you have to be cautious if you want to stay legally 100% clean.

Lutz
Zurles
Profile Joined February 2009
United Kingdom1659 Posts
December 09 2009 12:57 GMT
#198
Shortstacking is like teaching a new iccup player how to play protoss and do only 1 or 2 cheese builds. They're probably going to crush most of the noobs, and they will reach a decent win % pretty fast. But as soon as they fight people who have figured out their plan it's all over.
pangshai
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Chinatown5333 Posts
December 09 2009 13:14 GMT
#199
at about what limits does short staking become unfeasable?
#1 midas fan
Xantos
Profile Joined November 2009
Germany187 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-09 22:06:17
December 09 2009 22:05 GMT
#200
On December 09 2009 21:57 Zurles wrote:
Shortstacking is like teaching a new iccup player how to play protoss and do only 1 or 2 cheese builds. They're probably going to crush most of the noobs, and they will reach a decent win % pretty fast. But as soon as they fight people who have figured out their plan it's all over.

Nice comparison - but it needs some refinement:

1. In StarCraft, you do not lose money / go broke (and thus cannot continue playing) if you have a winrate below 50%.
2. I would not compare it to cheese strats, but to zealot rush + maybe some cannons => you can already gain experience and train micro etc. in a lot of the games you play - which is better than knowing *nothing* and dying against all strats in your first 4 minutes.


Short Stack Strategy can be played on all limits - but it certainly becomes less effective the more good players there are. There are some winning players with Shortstacking on NL $5,000

Short stacking basically is just a strategy that reduces risks, but also rewards - and also complexity. Thus it is easier to learn than other strategies & especially a beginner has less chance of going broke randomly.

But we are moving into teaching beginners Big Stack Play as well right now
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