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Obama Wins 2009 Nobel Peace Prize - Page 9
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
But the main point here is that there is absolutely no justification for Obama receiving this award. | ||
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BalliSLife
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eMbrace
United States1300 Posts
On October 10 2009 05:56 ghostWriter wrote: No, I believe that it's a good move and it was stupid for President Bush to send soldiers into Iraq (assuming that they should have been sent at all, which I don't believe is the case) without finishing the job in Afghanistan first. But sending soldiers doesn't exactly foster peace does it? But the main point here is that there is absolutely no justification for Obama receiving this award. Not that I agree or care why or who gets peace prizes, other posters more knowledgeable than me have already posted a list of accomplishments and/or efforts by Obama that do make him at the very least, an admirable president. And like others have side, the prize itself isn't a big a deal anymore -- but anything that touches Obama (including flies) gets into the media. As for the war, just because Bush started it, doesn't mean we can just let that place go down the shitter. It's not an easy situation, and pulling out entirely is a really bad way to deal with it. | ||
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uiCk
Canada1925 Posts
On October 10 2009 05:56 ghostWriter wrote: No, I believe that it's the right move and it was stupid for President Bush to send soldiers into Iraq (assuming that they should have been sent at all, which I don't believe is the case) without at least finishing the job in Afghanistan first. But sending soldiers doesn't exactly foster peace does it? But the main point here is that there is absolutely no justification for Obama receiving this award. the main point is that YOU believe theres no justification. or maybe you can send me your analysis by email (pdf format preferred) of this absolute ur talking about. | ||
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
# Ordered the closing of Guantanamo Bay # Signed an executive order to close CIA secret prisons # Prohibited use of torture # Began easing tension with Cuba. # Developed the renewable energy projects on the waters of our Outer Continental Shelf that produce electricity from wind, wave, and ocean currents. # Announced new strategy to responsible address international nuclear proliferation. # Agreed to negotiation of a new Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty with Russia. # De-escalation of nuclear tension through re-purposing of missile defense prompting Russia to withdraw its missile plan. Not sure how I feel about the first two but they don't really have anything to do with peace; torture has always been illegal and we should have rebuilt our relationship with Cuba years ago. Renewable energy projects have nothing to do with peace. Announcing a strategy and implementing one are two different beasts, not to mention the fact that no sane person would use nuclear weapons. The Cold War ended over a decade ago, dropping the number of weapons and stopping the proposed missile defense system is a moot point, since no one can use nuclear weapons without swift retaliation while making an enemy out of the entire world. Take a look at the winners of the Nobel Prizes in Physiology/Medicine, Physics and Chemistry. These are actual accomplishments. [QUOTE]On October 10 2009 03:13 Mortality wrote: This was a bad decision. The Nobel Prize in every other field recognizes the accomplishments of the awardee. Already the Nobel Peace Prize is the most worthless of the Nobel awards because of the highly political nature in which it is awarded. To allow the award to be given based on "intentions" rather than accomplishments denies it of the last of its already shakey credibility. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21245 Posts
On October 10 2009 06:04 ghostWriter wrote: Renewable energy projects have nothing to do with peace. But climate change does! ^_^ | ||
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BalliSLife
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eMbrace
United States1300 Posts
You could easily say that renewable energy prevents future conflicts over oil dependency. but whatever | ||
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n.DieJokes
United States3443 Posts
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
On October 10 2009 06:14 eMbrace wrote: You could easily say that renewable energy prevents future conflicts over oil dependency. but whatever True, but even that's just a hypothetical situation. | ||
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CursOr
United States6335 Posts
-He has ordered the closing of Gitmo, and despite his best efforts it remains open. (White House annonced on 9/27 that the January closing date will be delayed... darn) -He still funds Isreali occupation, but.. well thats not really his fault either. Just gotta keep doing it really. -Has announced he plans to seriously start considering reducing our nuclear weapon stockpiles very soon. He did sound very serious though. -Actually made torture illegal! Wow. Thats like making water wet. Considering we hung people at Nuremberg for it... we can be sure he is a hero for condemning it. -His best move, to date, is actually phsically haulting the construction of the "defense" systems in eastern Europe. This was welldone. If he does end the wars, close Gitmo, stop funding war in Isreal, really dismantles weapons, and prosecutes those who tortured, I'd be screaming for him to get a peace prize. But, as the best quote here says, apparently the prize really does mean nothing. I guess I'm just dissappointed. The headline certainly does look good for the US though. | ||
GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
Obama: I'm proud to accept— Kanye: Yo Obama I'm really happy for you but Morgan Tsvangirai had one of the best years of all time | ||
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
On October 10 2009 06:49 GrandInquisitor wrote: at the awards ceremony: Obama: I'm proud to accept— Kanye: Yo Obama I'm really happy for you but Morgan Tsvangirai had one of the best years of all time lol And im going to let you finish but.... | ||
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SoLaR[i.C]
United States2969 Posts
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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
On October 10 2009 06:49 GrandInquisitor wrote: at the awards ceremony: Obama: I'm proud to accept— Kanye: Yo Obama I'm really happy for you but Morgan Tsvangirai had one of the best years of all time Obama: You are a jackass. Fixed | ||
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BalliSLife
1339 Posts
He has reached out to Russia. He is willing to talk to his enemies. He takes responsibility on the climate change front. He wants to abolish nuclear weapons. He puts pressure on the Israelis to make peace and stop the settlements. That's the most ambitious peace agenda of anyone in the last decade any questions? | ||
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
We did sign the Geneva Conventions, you know. I cannot understand why we haven't prosecuted anyone from the Bush administration, either those who did it or those who ordered it. | ||
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Boundz(DarKo)
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zobz
Canada2175 Posts
On October 10 2009 06:04 ghostWriter wrote: + Show Spoiler + ballislife i'm still waiting on a response # Ordered the closing of Guantanamo Bay # Signed an executive order to close CIA secret prisons # Prohibited use of torture # Began easing tension with Cuba. # Developed the renewable energy projects on the waters of our Outer Continental Shelf that produce electricity from wind, wave, and ocean currents. # Announced new strategy to responsible address international nuclear proliferation. # Agreed to negotiation of a new Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty with Russia. # De-escalation of nuclear tension through re-purposing of missile defense prompting Russia to withdraw its missile plan. Not sure how I feel about the first two but they don't really have anything to do with peace; torture has always been illegal and we should have rebuilt our relationship with Cuba years ago. Renewable energy projects have nothing to do with peace. Announcing a strategy and implementing one are two different beasts, not to mention the fact that no sane person would use nuclear weapons. The Cold War ended over a decade ago, dropping the number of weapons and stopping the proposed missile defense system is a moot point, since no one can use nuclear weapons without swift retaliation while making an enemy out of the entire world. Take a look at the winners of the Nobel Prizes in Physiology/Medicine, Physics and Chemistry. These are actual accomplishments. What? Taking steps towards stopping torture has nothing to do with peace? Any mentioned prohibition of torture would obviously mean torture by the U.S. outside of the U.S. which is obviously legal. That you should've done something about cuba years ago does not mean that you did do it, or that doing it now doesn't deserve credit since it's one example of change much desired for the world's most powerful nation run amuck. You're right, officially spoken moves don't necessarily at all mean that actual change is coming up behind it; but i still think it's a far cry from having done nothing. The cold war is over but that obviously wouldn't stop people all over the world from being made uncomfortable by the large presence of nukes on the planet, as people have been uncomfortable during and since the cold war. And it seems to me that the significance of missile defense programs is that as soon as someone figures out how to make themself significantly less vulnerable to nuclear counter-attack, the potential for them to take the initiative greatly increases, and tension with it. Could you imagine if someone with a thousand warheads ready to be launched, in turn did not have to worry about being nuked themself? What could the world do to stop them? It would be tricky to say the least. | ||
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gakkgakk
Norway902 Posts
Maybe he will think twice about invading some other country in the future, since he is renowned for his peace helping efforts etc. I guess. Or maybe you guys are right and we norwegians just love to stroke his big black + Show Spoiler + suit. LOL! | ||
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